MJ never beat a Super Team......LeBron did.

[Hey Yo]

"Boston and Detroit owned MJ when they were in their prime......MJ got revenge once those teams got old.

Sonics and Suns?? They never won anything.

Cowherd tells it like it is in the video.......LeBron already beat a super team....MJ never did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-uwtKRtCFA

[warriorfan]

MJ never lost in the finals

MJ never left his original team in his prime

MJ never colluded with the 2nd and 4th highest PER in the league

https://s31.postimg.org/d9ndpvc63/lebroncollude.jpg

[NBAGOAT]

the Warriors are better than any of the opponents Jordan beat. That shouldn't mean close to everything however. Jazz were a 64 win team with 2 HOFers, that's pretty formidable still.

[Hey Yo]

MJ never left his original team in his prime
MJ quit on his original team while under contract in his prime.

GTFOH

[FireDavidKahn]

MJ quit on his original team while under contract in his prime.

GTFOH
slayed:lol

[sekachu]

"Boston and Detroit owned MJ when they were in their prime......MJ got revenge once those teams got old.

Sonics and Suns?? They never won anything.

Cowherd tells it like it is in the video.......LeBron already beat a super team....MJ never did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-uwtKRtCFA




Is irving help lebron to beat warriors. lebron keeps the battle and irving win the war.

[Mr. Jabbar]

correction...Kyrie did.

Let.

That.

Sink.

In.

[SouBeachTalents]

correction...Kyrie did.

Let.

That.

Sink.

In.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClYUvAdUYAAiRj9.jpg

[Hey Yo]

Jabbar ruined...........................again

[knicksman]

Cheap bran stans fapping to that rigged series

[SouBeachTalents]

Cheap bran stans fapping to that rigged series

Knicks fans fapping to LeBron

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2009/11/06/sports/06lebron_CA0/articleLarge.jpg

[Smoke117]

1-9 without Scottie :yaohappy:

[LeBird]

100% facts.

Not saying Jordan doesn't have his own arguments, just a handful of others. But let's stop pretending Jordan beat any great team like last year's GSW. Not even close. What LeBron did was ridiculous.

[K.dot ShowTime]

LeCollude

LeCowherd

[hateraid]

Beat a super team? They WERE the super team.
Bulls never exceeded expectation because they were the most technically sound team of all time with the GOAT coach.

[Sarcastic]

Lebron never beat a Super Team either.

Warriors are one of the biggest asterisk teams of all time. 2015 version only won because they faced injured teams all through the playoffs. 2016 version was fugazi too, and got their shit pushed in by OKC except for epic choke by Durant. Hell, the shitty Portland Blazers gave them fits, and they only have Dame Lillard.

I mean do you think Eli Manning is the GOAT QB, since he's the only one to beat a "Super Team" in the Super Bowl? That's basically the argument you and Coward are making.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

The Jazz and Sonics were both great teams, and pretty f*cking stacked relative to competition.

I wouldn't put much stock into what Cowherd said. A few weeks back he claimed all bigmen should be rated on a curve because they're essentially trust fund kids. :oldlol:

No doubt the 96 Bulls would've beaten this Warriors team. I also have ZERO doubt they would've beaten one of the 80s super teams. Problem is that MJ didn't have the roster at the time to compete against those juggernauts.

[K.dot ShowTime]

when LeBron faced a superteam in Boston...

LeCollude

[scandisk_]

Yep, they did look SUPER in the finals :lol

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

100% facts.

Not saying Jordan doesn't have his own arguments, just a handful of others. But let's stop pretending Jordan beat any great team like last year's GSW. Not even close. What LeBron did was ridiculous.

You don't say a whole lot, period. Just punching keys with bullshit flooding out of your ass. :oldlol:

OKC was a Durant choke away from taking them out. Jordan's competition wasn't close though...

[Edgar Friendly]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClYUvAdUYAAiRj9.jpg

Ahh to feast in the east.

The old school greats probably salivate just thinking about playing in a watered down conference like the east has become the last 18 years.

King of the Least. :banana:

[Micku]

The Jazz and Sonics were both great teams, and pretty f*cking stacked relative to competition.

I wouldn't put much stock into what Cowherd said. A few weeks back he claimed all bigmen should be rated on a curve because they're essentially trust fund kids. :oldlol:

No doubt the 96 Bulls would've beaten this Warriors team. I also have ZERO doubt they would've beaten one of the 80s super teams. Problem is that MJ didn't have the roster at the time to compete against those juggernauts.

Oh yeah? I would argue that they had the defensive capability to match with those 80s team. They could probably beat each other, but it would be interesting. The biggest match ups would be the 86 Celts (87 Celts pre injuried) and the mid 80s Lakers.


But ppl are right that LeBron and the Cavs beat a team that was better than any team that MJ faced.

Although that Magic of 96 had a lot of talent. 96 Sonics and the Jazz teams were good. And I think some teams aside from the Bulls, could give the Warriors some mismatches judging from the 2016 playoffs. But all in all, the Warriors were better than any team in the 90s not named the Bulls.

[sportjames23]

MJ never lost in the finals

MJ never left his original team in his prime

MJ never colluded with the 2nd and 4th highest PER in the league

https://s31.postimg.org/d9ndpvc63/lebroncollude.jpg


Ether.

[Lebron23]

Ahh to feast in the east.

The old school greats probably salivate just thinking about playing in a watered down conference like the east has become the last 18 years.

King of the Least. :banana:


Western Conference teams don't play defense.

[sportjames23]

1-9 without Scottie :yaohappy:


6-0, period.

You know what 6-0 is better than? 3/7.

Jabbar, invite that sink again for these youngins.

[SouBeachTalents]

Ahh to feast in the east.

The old school greats probably salivate just thinking about playing in a watered down conference like the east has become the last 18 years.

King of the Least. :banana:

:biggums: That was for the Finals, against a 73 win team from the West

[Bankaii]

Ahh to feast in the east.

The old school greats probably salivate just thinking about playing in a watered down conference like the east has become the last 18 years.

King of the Least. :banana:
He did the against a West team dipshit.

And the 80s were just as bad if not worse.

[NBAGOAT]

Ether.

are you sure you want to go down that road where you have to end up arguing bosh>kobe in 2010

[Lakers Legend#32]

'92 Blazers were a super team.

[bigkingsfan]

'92 Blazers were a super team.
Super one and done, never made it back to the finals.
Super duper. :oldlol:

[Round Mound]

MJ never lost in the finals

MJ never left his original team in his prime

MJ never colluded with the 2nd and 4th highest PER in the league

https://s31.postimg.org/d9ndpvc63/lebroncollude.jpg

[B]He Didnt Need to :confusedshrug:

Pippen was 4th in PER 1993-94 Season When MJ left.

Pippen was Infact a Top 7-10 Player in the League 1990-1998 and

A Better 2nd Option Than Any Other Superstar

[knicksman]

Knicks fans fapping to LeBron

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2009/11/06/sports/06lebron_CA0/articleLarge.jpg


In the end, lebron needed not just a big 3 but also the refs to win that series. Only cheap ass losers would be proud with that win.

[r0drig0lac]

Beat a super team? They WERE the super team.
Bulls never exceeded expectation because they were the most technically sound team of all time with the GOAT coach.
this

[guy]

Cowherd is such a clown. His agenda is so obvious. He says Jordan never beat the Pistons or Lakers in their prime and only beat them when they got old, but you'll never hear him mention that Lebron never beat the Celtics or Spurs in their prime and only beat them when they got older not to mention he had to leave and form his own super team to do so.

[SecondTake]

When youre as great as MJ no team looks unbeatable in comparison. The fact that Lebron is always the underdog is just a testament to how little expectations are towards him. MJ is a super team in and of himself.

[guy]

As far as the Warriors go, the implication that Lebron's performance was the greatest ever because of who it was against is misleading. Yes, Lebron beat a super team. So what? Why does it matter if they weren't playing like a super team in the finals? Why does it matter that they won 73 games if they weren't playing like that team? And it's not like the Cavs were really doing anything to prevent them from playing that way. The Warriors lost that series just as much if not more then the Cavs won that series due to suspensions, injuries, bad decisions, and straight up choking.

Don't get me wrong, Lebron's performance was still all-time great but the extra credit it's getting for being against the Warriors is not really warranted.

[guy]

The Jazz and Sonics were both great teams, and pretty f*cking stacked relative to competition.

I wouldn't put much stock into what Cowherd said. A few weeks back he claimed all bigmen should be rated on a curve because they're essentially trust fund kids. :oldlol:

No doubt the 96 Bulls would've beaten this Warriors team. I also have ZERO doubt they would've beaten one of the 80s super teams. Problem is that MJ didn't have the roster at the time to compete against those juggernauts.

This. Cowherd is like the anti-Skip Bayless when it comes to Lebron and they are both cringeworthy.

[Gileraracer]

MJ never lost in the finals

MJ never left his original team in his prime

MJ never colluded with the 2nd and 4th highest PER in the league



One hit knockout :roll:

[West-Side]

Jordan never lost as the favorite either or got swept in the finals. James could have easily got swept by GS this year if it wasn't for Kyrie's game 3 performance, suspension and untimely injuries to GS players.

Lol these retards I tell you.

[Dresta]

How did "Lebron" beat them, as if he was even 50% of the reason, when Kyrie completely dominated GS's best player and the back to back (and unanimous this year) league MVP?

All the clowns on this site who only ever give credit to Lebron :facepalm

[jayfan]

It's an interesting topic. Of the 6, which was the best team Jordan beat in the finals?




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[NBAGOAT]

It's an interesting topic. Of the 6, which was the best team Jordan beat in the finals?

.

most people will say Jazz or Sonics. I'll give a shoutout to the Blazers however.

[jayfan]

most people will say Jazz or Sonics. I'll give a shoutout to the Blazers however.

Yep, I was thinking Sonics or Jazz. Forgot about Blazers, actually. Was that '92?

[juju151111]

Pistons wasn't old. Isiah was 29

[andgar923]

The Bulls would've clobbered the Warriors.

I've gone back and forth as how competitive the series between them would've been (theoretically obviously), but after watching them in the playoffs vs the Thunder and the Finals, I am confident the Bulls would clobber them.

You live by the 3, you die by the 3.

With no low post threat, the Bulls would make stopping the perimeter their no.1 priority. In the past, the Bulls got beat by long range shooters because their focus was on stopping the paint (which was the case with almost every team back then).

the Warriors have good team ball movement, BUT they're not the smartest, they tend to play too much hero one on one and have no low post game.

We saw Curry struggle in the post season. We know he's turnover prone. We saw Klay lay an egg as well. Their main weapon imo is Green, and like some of us predicted he's a ticking time bomb that would get played by Rodman and taken out of the series both mentally and physically.

The Warriors have a crappy defense... go ahead I'll wait for some of you to post some meaningless defensive stats, reality is they would get lit the f*ck up!

MJ would average 40
Pip would average 20
Kukoc would average 20
Kerr would average 15
Harper would average 15

It would be a feeding frenzy, the triangle would be too much for the Warriors, the Bulls' penetration would be too much for them, the Bulls' post players would be too much for them.

F*ck going down 3-1, the Bulls would win 4-1

And THAT is what true greatness does.

[warriorfan]

[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]He Didnt Need to :confusedshrug:

Pippen was 4th in PER 1993-94 Season When MJ left.

Pippen was Infact a Top 7-10 Player in the League 1990-1998 and

A Better 2nd Option Than Any Other Superstar

[LeBird]

You don't say a whole lot, period. Just punching keys with bullshit flooding out of your ass. :oldlol:

OKC was a Durant choke away from taking them out. Jordan's competition wasn't close though...

OKC and Spurs are also better than any team Jordan faced in the finals. So if GSW lost to them, it still doesn't help the Jordan argument.

LeBron didn't just beat a super team...he had an all-time great series and beat them coming from 3-1 down. It's hilarious to see people try to downplay this.


No doubt the 96 Bulls would've beaten this Warriors team. I also have ZERO doubt they would've beaten one of the 80s super teams. Problem is that MJ didn't have the roster at the time to compete against those juggernauts.

No doubt? Zero? :lol Talk about bullshit flooding out your ass. You were embarrassed in one thread, and it seems that one wasn't enough.

[sdot_thadon]

Time to give up the ghost fellas. This one isnt even a debate, the warriors were better than any team Mj faced in the finals and as little as a month ago compared somewhat favorably to any team he faced in the post season period. This is the feather in his resume's cap that is unique to lebron. The only top 10 goat to take down a 70 win squad. Amazing.:biggums:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

OKC and Spurs are also better than any team Jordan faced in the finals. So if GSW lost to them, it still doesn't help the Jordan argument.

LeBron didn't just beat a super team...he had an all-time great series and beat them coming from 3-1 down. It's hilarious to see people try to downplay this.

Claiming that Jordan faced competition not even close to Golden State is a joke. OKC being greater than any team Jordan faced is laughable too, especially with how they closed the Golden State series.


No doubt? Zero? :lol Talk about bullshit flooding out your ass. You were embarrassed in one thread, and it seems that one wasn't enough.

Before the Warriors broke the regular-season record, Chicago was widely regarded as one of the greatest modern teams in sports. Arguably the best in professional basketball along with the '86 Celtics.

There's no doubt they could beat either Philly/LA/Boston, super teams of the time, depending on the season.

An idiot such as yourself would think otherwise though. :oldlol:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

This. Cowherd is like the anti-Skip Bayless when it comes to Lebron and they are both cringeworthy.

Did you hear his take on "big men" last week? lol. He honestly makes the LeBron lot on here sound intelligent.

[feyki]

In the finals ? More like choker team , who were led by bench players in their wins .

[SpaceJam]

No sh^t, Jordan made sure he was the super team going into the finals

[f0und]

not to take anything away from clevelands title, but lets not add all this "superteam" hyperbole. the superteam in the regular season never showed up for the finals. i kept waiting for them to break out but it never happened.

[sdot_thadon]

So the warriors weren't a super team the previous round coming back from down 3-1? I'm pretty sure nobody picked the cavs to have a snowballs chance in hell besides homers.

[guy]

Did you hear his take on "big men" last week? lol. He honestly makes the LeBron lot on here sound intelligent.

Yes, he's terrible. His "Lebron is GOAT" agenda went from just trying to prove he's better then Jordan to also trying to say a huge subset of players don't even count. I've never even heard Lebron fans on ISH get that desperate with their arguments. :oldlol:

[LeBird]

Claiming that Jordan faced competition not even close to Golden State is a joke. OKC being greater than any team Jordan faced is laughable too, especially with how they closed the Golden State series.

You can hold a different opinion, that's all good. But the way you phrase it makes you sound like the kind of idiot 3ball is. You're really sliding down in terms of quality.

None of the teams Jordan played in the finals were as good as GSW - it's debatable that the great Bulls themselves could beat them.

The same goes for OKC and Spurs. These are teams that for years at least have gotten to finals and gone deep. None of this show up one or two years then disappear. No rival team (to the Jordan Bulls) in the 90s was that consistent except maybe Jazz and they were an aged team by then.

The fact that GSW came back and beat OKC doesn't make them weaker. GSW is one of the most stacked teams of all time, and is probably the most stacked now with Durant. The fact that they even troubled GSW that way shows how good OKC are/were.




Before the Warriors broke the regular-season record, Chicago was widely regarded as one of the greatest modern teams in sports. Arguably the best in professional basketball along with the '86 Celtics.

There's no doubt they could beat either Philly/LA/Boston, super teams of the time, depending on the season.

An idiot such as yourself would think otherwise though. :oldlol:

Maybe by kids and people who watched Space Jam. The 80s teams were much better. The idea that there is "no doubt" is hilarious though. Is english your first language? I'm struggling to understand if you're just a dumbass or you can't express yourself properly. Any team 'could' beat someone else. Previously you said "would've" that's a different meaning son. You backtrack like a mofo.

[Goldrush25]

MJ never slayed the dragon, he was the dragon. He was Sugar Ray Robinson.

Lebron beat the best regular season team in NBA history when no one gave him a shot in hell. He's Muhammad Ali.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

You can hold a different opinion, that's all good. But the way you phrase it makes you sound like the kind of idiot 3ball is. You're really sliding down in terms of quality.

Unlike 3ball, I acknowledge there's room for argument. Its not cut and dry though like YOU are posting. Don't play yourself putting me in that category. :oldlol:


The fact that GSW came back and beat OKC doesn't make them weaker. GSW is one of the most stacked teams of all time, and is probably the most stacked now with Durant. The fact that they even troubled GSW that way shows how good OKC are/were.

And you could also argue they troubled OKC because of their length and athleticism, something Chicago had but on both ends.


Maybe by kids and people who watched Space Jam. The 80s teams were much better. The idea that there is "no doubt" is hilarious though. Is english your first language? I'm struggling to understand if you're just a dumbass or you can't express yourself properly. Any team 'could' beat someone else. Previously you said "would've" that's a different meaning son. You backtrack like a mofo.

Hahahaha

Hold up. You don't actually think the 96 Bulls would beat ANY super teams in the 80s? Seriously?

I'm not even talking about specific champs for said year, but the general super teams of that decade. Please don't tell us "Space Jam" is your reasoning....

[andgar923]

OKC and Spurs are also better than any team Jordan faced in the finals. So if GSW lost to them, it still doesn't help the Jordan argument.

LeBron didn't just beat a super team...he had an all-time great series and beat them coming from 3-1 down. It's hilarious to see people try to downplay this.



No doubt? Zero? :lol Talk about bullshit flooding out your ass. You were embarrassed in one thread, and it seems that one wasn't enough.
:lol :lol :lol

Stopped reading there

What a joke.

Spurs were old, OKC is one of the dumbest teams I've ever seen.

[LeBird]

Unlike 3ball, I acknowledge there's room for argument. Its not cut and dry though like YOU are posting. Don't play yourself putting me in that category. :oldlol:

You literally said there is no doubt that the Bulls would've beaten this Warriors team. So you aren't leaving room for doubt. :lol


And you could also argue they troubled OKC because of their length and athleticism, something Chicago had but on both ends.


Maybe, sure. More to the point; they had a better roster and talent base than anyone the Bulls faced.



Hahahaha

Hold up. You don't actually think the 96 Bulls would beat ANY super teams in the 80s? Seriously?

I'm not even talking about specific champs for said year, but the general super teams of that decade. Please don't tell us "Space Jam" is your reasoning....

When you say there is no doubt a team would beat another team...you are essentially guaranteeing that result. I think the Bulls aren't very likely to beat any super team because compared to the others they didn't have as much talent. Compared to their own era, however, they were stacked.

One could make the argument that you'd need to adjust previous teams for expansion but it starts to become a hazy theoretical at that point.

Aside from that, Jordan never did beat a super team and what more, he never showed the ability to lift an underdog team the way LeBron has through his career. Like it or not, this is what is going to make LeBron the GOAT going forward.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

:lol :lol :lol

Stopped reading there

What a joke.

Spurs were old, OKC is one of the dumbest teams I've ever seen.

I don't agree with you on much, but at least we can take solace in the bold.

The nutjob consistently posts shit like this too. :oldlol:

[LeBird]

:lol :lol :lol

Stopped reading there

What a joke.

Spurs were old, OKC is one of the dumbest teams I've ever seen.

Pfft, as if I care what a Jordan jocker thinks.

Spurs were old ey? That's why they came back and won the finals breaking shooting records https://forum.sectioneighty.com/data/emoticons/0/aa8da4e952a8fe52f3668350fba1e3e4.png

[ArbitraryWater]

:lol :lol :lol

Stopped reading there

What a joke.

Spurs were old, OKC is one of the dumbest teams I've ever seen.

'12-'14 Spurs are the best Spurs versions of their franchise :oldlol:

'12 and '14 particularly are better than any team MJ ever faced.

[LeBird]

'12-'14 Spurs are the best Spurs versions of their franchise :oldlol:

'12 and '14 particularly are better than any team MJ ever faced.

:applause:

[LeBird]

MJ never slayed the dragon, he was the dragon. He was Sugar Ray Robinson.

Lebron beat the best regular season team in NBA history when no one gave him a shot in hell. He's Muhammad Ali.

Oh shit, great comparison. :bowdown:

[hateraid]

:lol :lol :lol

Stopped reading there

What a joke.

Spurs were old, OKC is one of the dumbest teams I've ever seen.

STFU and let the grown men talk. You don't contribute anything outside of your Jordan nut hugging and throw insults. I'm beginning to think you're an alt of Sportsjames23. Despite the minor insults this back and forth is pretty intriguing.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

You literally said there is no doubt that the Bulls would've beaten this Warriors team. So you aren't leaving room for doubt. :lol

With the exception of Cleveland and LeBron fans, you won't find many suggesting otherwise.

Its hard to see a frail team who let ONE player punk them dethrone a dynasty who were, for the most part, ALWAYS locked in.

And Mike? A better version of LeBron with greater intangibles.


When you say there is no doubt a team would beat another team...you are essentially guaranteeing that result. I think the Bulls aren't very likely to beat any super team because compared to the others they didn't have as much talent. Compared to their own era, however, they were stacked.

I would guarantee the Bulls beat AT LEAST one super team of the 80s. :oldlol:

Those 80s Chicago teams overachieved with...just Jordan. You give him a prime Scottie Pippen, Rodman, elite shooters, defense etc. and I'm still not seeing how they lose to literally EVERY super team, including non champs.

Your agenda is f*cking childish. :oldlol:

[LeBird]

With the exception of Cleveland and LeBron fans, you won't find many suggesting otherwise.

Its hard to see a frail team who let ONE player punk them dethrone a dynasty who were, for the most part, ALWAYS locked in.

It wasn't any one player...it was the GOAT. No team in history has come back from 3-1. That's the point.


And Mike? A better version of LeBron with greater intangibles.


The intangibles, sure...like Space Jam, McDonalds or rule changes in your favor.



I would guarantee the Bulls beat AT LEAST one super team of the 80s. :oldlol:

Those 80s Chicago teams overachieved with...just Jordan. You give him a prime Scottie Pippen, Rodman, elite shooters, defense etc. and I'm still not seeing how they lose to literally EVERY super team, including non champs.

Your agenda is f*cking childish. :oldlol:

Christ you're stupid. If you want to guarantee it...cool...you'll just look like a dumbass. Jordan's team itself is less talented than GSW. And before you imagine that Jordan could lead a team like LeBron did and win as the underdog...let me remind you that in reality whenever he was the underdog his team were abysmal failures. Case in point, precisely, those 80s Bulls.

LeBron makes the worst team in the league contenders just by virtue of going there. Jordan is missing out on playoffs or is getting first round exits. Time to stop living in delusion.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

It wasn't any one player...it was the GOAT. No team in history has come back from 3-1. That's the point.

The intangibles, sure...like Space Jam, McDonalds or rule changes in your favor.

Christ you're stupid. If you want to guarantee it...cool...you'll just look like a dumbass. Jordan's team itself is less talented than GSW. And before you imagine that Jordan could lead a team like LeBron did and win as the underdog...let me remind you that in reality whenever he was the underdog his team were abysmal failures. Case in point, precisely, those 80s Bulls.

LeBron makes the worst team in the league contenders just by virtue of going there. Jordan is missing out on playoffs or is getting first round exits. Time to stop living in delusion.

This entire post is full of cringe. "Space Jam!" "Mcdonalds!" You need better material guy :oldlol:

And I sound like a "dumbass" for suggesting that one of the GREATEST teams in basketball history would beat another superteam in the 80s, non champ or otherwise? Detroit, Philly, LA, and Boston even during years they fell short and were never talked about as ATGs...are somehow superior to one of the greatest teams in modern sports. F*cking idiot. :oldlol:

As far as Golden State/OKC and their depth goes? Its a non-argument. OKC had more depth and were a worse version of the Bulls; they not only lost BUT choked in historical fashion. The Warriors lost to a less talented Cleveland squad by letting one player take their will from them. Top-to-bottom "talent" is overrated.

[PJR]

MJ also never got outscored by Jason Terry in a Finals series, nor had an 8 point game in the Finals.

[guy]

It wasn't any one player...it was the GOAT. No team in history has come back from 3-1. That's the point.

The intangibles, sure...like Space Jam, McDonalds or rule changes in your favor.

Christ you're stupid. If you want to guarantee it...cool...you'll just look like a dumbass. Jordan's team itself is less talented than GSW. And before you imagine that Jordan could lead a team like LeBron did and win as the underdog...let me remind you that in reality whenever he was the underdog his team were abysmal failures. Case in point, precisely, those 80s Bulls.

LeBron makes the worst team in the league contenders just by virtue of going there. Jordan is missing out on playoffs or is getting first round exits. Time to stop living in delusion.

Coming back from 3-1 is great. Isn't it a knock for being down 3-1 in the first place though? Especially when GS's best players weren't really even playing well? Are you holding it against Jordan for not coming back 3-1 in the Finals, when in all of his Finals he never let it get to that point?

Jordan has won multiple series as an underdog. So has Lebron. Jordan never lost as a favorite. Lebron has lost as a favorite multiple times though.

There's a reason Lebron has been the underdog as much as he's been. Its because fans/media expect less from him. Its highly doubtful that Jordan-led teams on the level of what Lebron has played with since 2011 would've ever been underdogs going into the Finals. The expectations for Lebron as a whole really went down after 3 straight years of disappointing losses, including some chokejobs, from 2009-2011. In addition, other then 2013, his teams since 2011 have all underachieved in the regular season (after overachieving in his first stint in Cleveland), creating this illusion that they are significantly less talented then their Finals opponents, thus creating this underdog status. Cleveland was less talented then Golden State, but not really by much, and definitely not as much as their regular season record difference would indicate. The talent difference between Jordan's teams that he lost with and the opponent were definitely greater then the talent difference between Cleveland and GS this year, so that comparison is misleading.

[bond10]

what if i told you that those 90s teams were actually pretty stacked but looked weak because of how great MJ was?


MJ never allowed a game 7

MJ never let his defenders win FMVP, especially not a 6th man like Iggy or a 2nd? 3rd? year freshy like Kawahi LOL

MJ never had a 2011 choke job

TWO 3 peats and if we count full seasons, he practically won 6 times in a row. I don't think this board understands the difficulty of a 3-peat. Winning the championship is one thing, but defending it is a whole other level

[hateraid]

MJ also never got outscored by Jason Terry in a Finals series, nor had an 8 point game in the Finals.

What does cherry picking irrelevant stats have to do with the context of this thread? Follow closely little boy

[hateraid]

what if i told you that those 90s teams were actually pretty stacked but looked weak because of how great MJ was?


MJ never allowed a game 7

MJ never let his defenders win FMVP, especially not a 6th man like Iggy or a 2nd? 3rd? year freshy like Kawahi LOL

MJ never had a 2011 choke job

TWO 3 peats and if we count full seasons, he practically won 6 times in a row. I don't think this board understands the difficulty of a 3-peat. Winning the championship is one thing, but defending it is a whole other level

In the context of the thread you're actually agreeing with what the OP is saying and what I posted earlier. The Bulls WERE the superteam.

Now go back to the drawing board and try and rehash your statement to support your Jordan agenda

[Sarcastic]

MJ never slayed the dragon, he was the dragon. He was Sugar Ray Robinson.

Lebron beat the best regular season team in NBA history when no one gave him a shot in hell. He's Muhammad Ali.


Sugar Ray > Ali.

[joshwake]

Cowherd is a good source for what not to believe, basically a Boussard of radio.

[Da_Realist]

Who actually believes Lebron would have beaten the 80's Pistons and Celtics from 86-90? All the MJ hate ends up really doing a disservice to two of the smartest, most physical, deep and competitive teams of all time.

Beating 16 Golden State is overrated. KD and Westbrook almost did it and they don't know how to win big games. That's not to say it wasn't a tremendous accomplishment because GSW were the favorites by far but they had flaws that would have been exposed far sooner than the conference finals if they played in the 80's and 90's.

[LeBird]

This entire post is full of cringe. "Space Jam!" "Mcdonalds!" You need better material guy :oldlol:

And I sound like a "dumbass" for suggesting that one of the GREATEST teams in basketball history would beat another superteam in the 80s, non champ or otherwise? Detroit, Philly, LA, and Boston even during years they fell short and were never talked about as ATGs...are somehow superior to one of the greatest teams in modern sports. F*cking idiot. :oldlol:

It was a great team relative to its era and for the titles it won it will be considered one of the greatest.

But you're on crack if you think they were as good as the 80s Celtics or Lakers. Those teams had too many star players. Because their era was much stronger and had deeper rosters. The people who always think the 90s Bulls could take those teams are those who think rainbows come out of Jordan's ass and that he'd make the difference. He isn't - especially against pass-first superstars that share the rock naturally, as opposed to needing a system devised for it.

Is it impossible for the Bulls to beat them? No. It could happen, they were a great team, as I've said, but likely? Nope. I think the Sixers would beat the Bulls TBH, they were stacked as all hell as well.


As far as Golden State/OKC and their depth goes? Its a non-argument. OKC had more depth and were a worse version of the Bulls; they not only lost BUT choked in historical fashion. The Warriors lost to a less talented Cleveland squad by letting one player take their will from them. Top-to-bottom "talent" is overrated.

OKC lost to the GOAT. Only one player has turned around a 3-1 series in the finals, and that against a 73 win team. It's the team that was the champion of the conference containing the Spurs and OKC teams which would have been the best competition the Bulls could have faced if we had a time machine.

But talking probability is one thing. Talking certainty, as you were, is for idiots.

[G0ATbe]

Since when is beating a superteam impressive when you're playing on one at the same time? :facepalm

[LeBird]

Coming back from 3-1 is great. Isn't it a knock for being down 3-1 in the first place though? Especially when GS's best players weren't really even playing well? Are you holding it against Jordan for not coming back 3-1 in the Finals, when in all of his Finals he never let it get to that point?

Jordan has won multiple series as an underdog. So has Lebron. Jordan never lost as a favorite. Lebron has lost as a favorite multiple times though.

Nah, is it a disgrace to be losing 3-1 to the greatest regular season team in history, reigning champions and one of the most stacked teams of all time? No, it isn't. Even losing against them is no shame - and no one really favored LeBron or the Cavs.

I'm not holding it against Jordan that he didn't let it get to that point...because the teams he faced wouldn't make the finals in this day and age. Maybe one of them, by luck, but not regularly. Heck, even then, they were inconsistent.

What I know of Jordan is that despite his gaudy numbers, despite playing for weaker teams, he made little difference. Not only did he get continually swept by the Celtics, for example, he couldn't win 1 game. He barely improved the regular season records of his team. Can you even imagine LeBron going to the worst team in the NBA and not improving them at least 20 games? Can you imagine him leaving a team and it only being 2 games worse in the RS? :lol Come on.


There's a reason Lebron has been the underdog as much as he's been. Its because fans/media expect less from him. Its highly doubtful that Jordan-led teams on the level of what Lebron has played with since 2011 would've ever been underdogs going into the Finals. The expectations for Lebron as a whole really went down after 3 straight years of disappointing losses, including some chokejobs, from 2009-2011. In addition, other then 2013, his teams since 2011 have all underachieved in the regular season (after overachieving in his first stint in Cleveland), creating this illusion that they are significantly less talented then their Finals opponents, thus creating this underdog status. Cleveland was less talented then Golden State, but not really by much, and definitely not as much as their regular season record difference would indicate. The talent difference between Jordan's teams that he lost with and the opponent were definitely greater then the talent difference between Cleveland and GS this year, so that comparison is misleading.

No, the reason is because he's been, bar maybe a couple seasons, on teams worse than other teams. Whereas from 90 and beyond, Jordan played for the heavy favorites...he was playing for the most stacked team. That's the difference. The rest of your post is nonsensical revisionism.


what if i told you that those 90s teams were actually pretty stacked but looked weak because of how great MJ was?


The most 'stacked' were the Jazz with an ageing Malone and Stockton who were better in the previous decade. Today, that team probably is of a similar level to the Los Angeles Clippers, if not worse. People actually argue that the Sonics were great...they had Kemp and Payton :lol

[DirkNowitzki41]

"Boston and Detroit owned MJ when they were in their prime......MJ got revenge once those teams got old.

Sonics and Suns?? They never won anything.

Cowherd tells it like it is in the video.......LeBron already beat a super team....MJ never did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-uwtKRtCFA

:bowdown:

This is why LeBron James is a top three GOAT RIGHT NOW. At age 31... Most likely retiring as the GOAT.

This epic 2016 ring puts him in rare air. Most incredible championship of all time, and this is coming from someone who went through the 2011 playoff ride.

[Da_Realist]

Cowherd is such a clown. His agenda is so obvious. He says Jordan never beat the Pistons or Lakers in their prime and only beat them when they got old, but you'll never hear him mention that Lebron never beat the Celtics or Spurs in their prime and only beat them when they got older not to mention he had to leave and form his own super team to do so.

I stopped listening to Colin Cowherd a few years ago. He had Drexler on his show to talk about the Dream Team special that was about to air (30 for 30). He kept asking Drexler about MJ and was getting frustrated because Drexler was telling him MJ was a great, great player. So Colin started asking him leading questions to force Drexler to say MJ was overrated and that he (Drexler) was just as good. Drexler kept dodging the agenda but the unfair, biased, attention-seeking interview style was the last straw for me. I hadn't listened to him since.

MJ is a cash cow for someone like Cowherd. Cowherd needs listeners to be passionate about his show. MJ has rabid fans that will defend him against any criticism. That's a perfect storm. Denigrate MJ and you're guaranteed a passionate show, ratings and visibility. Bird fans or Magic fans would disagree but they will keep it within the basketball community (real fans). Criticize MJ and little kids, grandmothers, martians, everybody will come out.

[juju151111]

:bowdown:

This is why LeBron James is a top three GOAT RIGHT NOW. At age 31... Most likely retiring as the GOAT.

This epic 2016 ring puts him in rare air. Most incredible championship of all time, and this is coming from someone who went through the 2011 playoff ride.
The Pistons wasn't old when they beat them. Isiah,dumars, and rodman were still in their 20s.

[Magic 32]

So how do you become a superteam?

By winning XX number of games? (2015 Spurs?)

By having 3-4 all-stars? (2014-15 Hawks)

This is what a "superteam" should be defined as:

A superteam is made up of 3-4 all-stars, with at least 3 players who could lead a bad team to the playoffs by themselves (meaning they had to be seperated first to prove this fact).

Lebron. Yes

Wade: Yes

Bosh: Yes


Curry? Yes

Klay? Maybe

Green? Nope

So the Warriors only became a superteam when Durant was added. Let see of Lebron can beat that team. I doubt it.

[k0kakw0rld]

MJ never lost in the finals

MJ never left his original team in his prime

MJ never colluded with the 2nd and 4th highest PER in the league

https://s31.postimg.org/d9ndpvc63/lebroncollude.jpg
He never done that because he knew he simply couldn't come back and win like LeBron did? :confusedshrug:

[Magic 32]

Duncan = 7 (2001, 2004, 2006, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2016)

Bird = 7 (1980, 1982, 1983, 1985, 1988, 1990, 1991)

Kareem = 5 (1973, 1974, 1977, 1981, 1986)

Shaq = 5 (1994, 1995, 2004, 2005, 2010)

Wilt = 5 (1961, 1966, 1968, 1969, 1973)

Oscar = 4 (1962, 1965, 1973, 1974)

Magic = 4 (1981, 1986, 1990, 1996)

Lebron = 3 (2009, 2010, 2011)

Hakeem = 2 (1985, 1987)

Kobe = 2 (2004, 2011)

Russell = 1 (1958)

MJ = 0

[Hey Yo]

So how do you become a superteam?

By winning XX number of games? (2015 Spurs?)

By having 3-4 all-stars? (2014-15 Hawks)

This is what a "superteam" should be defined as:

A superteam is made up of 3-4 all-stars, with at least 3 players who could lead a bad team to the playoffs by themselves (meaning they had to be seperated first to prove this fact).

Lebron. Yes

Wade: Yes

Bosh: Yes


Curry? Yes

Klay? Maybe

Green? Nope

So the Warriors only became a superteam when Durant was added. Let see of Lebron can beat that team. I doubt it.
Having 3 All NBA players(plus Green's All-NBA defense nod), 2 of the top 6 three point shooters in the league, the best 3pt shooting team in the league, top scorer in the league on a 73 win team, with the reigning Finals MVP, in the "bloodbath West" isn't a super team........ until the leagues 2nd leading scorer and top 3 player joins them????

Great thinking :cletus:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

It was a great team relative to its era and for the titles it won it will be considered one of the greatest.

No. They're just great, period.

And widely regarded as so.
http://www.nba.com/features/9596bulls_bestever.html


But you're on crack if you think they were as good as the 80s Celtics or Lakers.

:oldlol:

Pure idiocy. You do know one of those "80s Laker teams" lost to the f*cking Rockets, who were NEVER regarded as an ATG team...right?


OKC lost to the GOAT. Only one player has turned around a 3-1 series in the finals, and that against a 73 win team. It's the team that was the champion of the conference containing the Spurs and OKC teams which would have been the best competition the Bulls could have faced if we had a time machine.

But talking probability is one thing. Talking certainty, as you were, is for idiots.

Wait...so now LeBron is GOAT? :oldlol: Guy doesn't have the accomplishments to even be in the conversation, and coming back from 3-1, one series, does not put him there either.

Quit asking people to stop talking in "certainties" when you're doing it now. Like, at least be cognizant of your self awareness. :oldlol: