Curry got the 2nd highest per to play with him, LeBron joined the 2nd AND 4th highest

[warriorfan]

Curry got KD, the 2nd in the league in PER to join HIS team

Lebron got pimped by Wade(2nd in the league in PER) to join his team with Bosh (4th in the league in PER)

That would be like Curry leaving his home team to JOIN Kevin Durant and Westbrook (the 2nd and 4th in PER)


Reference
https://s31.postimg.org/d9ndpvc63/lebroncollude.jpg




https://s31.postimg.org/japo0i0yz/King_Curry.png

[LikeABosh]

0/22.

[Dray n Klay]

So OP, answer me this.


If Warriors had Boban Marjanovic (3rd in PER) instead of Draymond Green and Klay Thompson, would you call them even more stacked?

[FireDavidKahn]

Using PER as the sole argument:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[SouBeachTalents]

The Warriors have 4 All-NBA players from last season & the 2015 FMVP

[Doctor K]

So OP, answer me this.


If Warriors had Boban Marjanovic (3rd in PER) instead of Draymond Green and Klay Thompson, would you call them even more stacked?


/thread


OP slayed again :roll:


warriorfan is officially the punchbag of ISH

[Bernkastel]

PER :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol


So OP, answer me this.


If Warriors had Boban Marjanovic (3rd in PER) instead of Draymond Green and Klay Thompson, would you call them even more stacked?

Turned deflated in the third post. :lol

[SouBeachTalents]

I'll say it again, in 2010 Bosh missed the playoffs in the East and didn't even make the All-NBA 3rd team, who gives a fucc what his PER was :lol

[red1]

That would be like Curry leaving his home team to JOIN Kevin Durant and Westbrook (the 2nd and 4th in PER)
current warriors team is better than this hypothetical squad :facepalm

good job proving everyone's point :oldlol:

[warriorfan]

So OP, answer me this.


If Warriors had Boban Marjanovic (3rd in PER) instead of Draymond Green and Klay Thompson, would you call them even more stacked?

No, because you do not understand how PER works

Per is not accurate when measuring players with far less minutes

If you look at both graphics, Boban has 3 times as less minutes (9 mpg) than all the other players

Boban's PER is not accurate to his actual value because of his minuscule minute load

All of the other readings are accurate however

[warriorfan]

current warriors team is better than this hypothetical squad :facepalm

good job proving everyone's point :oldlol:

You saying GS minus Curry is better than OKC with Durant and Westbrook?

:facepalm

[Doctor K]

No, because you do not understand how PER works

Per is not accurate when measuring players with far less minutes

If you look at both graphics, Boban has 3 times as less minutes (9 mpg) than all the other players

Boban's PER is not accurate to his actual value because of his minuscule minute load

All of the other readings are accurate however


So Bosh was the 4th best player? LeBron is the 1st or 2nd best player in nba history? thats accurate lol?

[warriorfan]

So Bosh was the 4th best player? LeBron is the 1st or 2nd best player in nba history? thats accurate lol?

PER is pretty accurate, most of the years when LeBron lead the league in PER he was the best player in the league...

Bosh was a top 5 player in the league in 2010 before he colluded with LeBron

24/11/2.5/1/1/ on 52% FG, 59% TS plus good defense

Elite scoring on amazing efficiency, elite rebounder, athletic defender

Toronto Chris Bosh gets criminally underrated around here, he was one of the best players in the league

[Dray n Klay]

You have to atleast make the all-NBA team to be a Top 5 player in the league


Bosh was the 15-20th best player in 2010

[J Shuttlesworth]

PER is pretty accurate, most of the years when LeBron lead the league in PER he was the best player in the league...

Bosh was a top 5 player in the league in 2010 before he colluded with LeBron

24/11/2.5/1/1/ on 52% FG, 59% TS plus good defense

Elite scoring on amazing efficiency, elite rebounder, athletic defender

Toronto Chris Bosh gets criminally underrated around here, he was one of the best players in the league
How many playoff wins did Bosh have before the Heat?

KD is a player who led the Thunder to the finals, and is now jumping ship to join a 73 win team. It doesn't get more pathetic than that.

[SouBeachTalents]

PER is pretty accurate, most of the years when LeBron lead the league in PER he was the best player in the league...

Bosh was a top 5 player in the league in 2010 before he colluded with LeBron

24/11/2.5/1/1/ on 52% FG, 59% TS plus good defense

Elite scoring on amazing efficiency, elite rebounder, athletic defender

Toronto Chris Bosh gets criminally underrated around here, he was one of the best players in the league

He gets criminally overrated if anything. 3 playoff wins & 1 All-NBA selection in 7 seasons and you have the gall to call him a top 5 player in the league :biggums:

[warriorfan]

How many playoff wins did Bosh have before the Heat?

KD is a player who led the Thunder to the finals, and is now jumping ship to join a 73 win team. It doesn't get more pathetic than that.

Raptors bro....raptors

We talking about Andrea Bargnani, JOse Calderon, and Hedo Turkgolu

Makes sense a LeBron stan would try to use that to discredit Bosh who how I described before was easily one of the best players in the league

Worst part is you flip around and talk about KD leading a team to the finals supposedly, completely disregarding Russell Westbrook

Imagine if Toronto Chris Bosh played with Westbrook, especially in the weak east

Your basketball knowledge is seriously embarrassing, do us all a favor and stop posting

[red1]

You saying GS minus Curry is better than OKC with Durant and Westbrook?

:facepalm
obviously not. I am saying that 2016 warriors with kd is considerably better than 2016 okc plus curry

as in kd is joining an ALREADY stacked team

[ShawkFactory]

PER is pretty accurate, most of the years when LeBron lead the league in PER he was the best player in the league...

Bosh was a top 5 player in the league in 2010 before he colluded with LeBron

24/11/2.5/1/1/ on 52% FG, 59% TS plus good defense

Elite scoring on amazing efficiency, elite rebounder, athletic defender

Toronto Chris Bosh gets criminally underrated around here, he was one of the best players in the league
Bosh was absolutely not a top 5 player in the league in 2010..

[J Shuttlesworth]

Raptors bro....raptors

We talking about Andrea Bargnani, JOse Calderon, and Hedo Turkgolu

Makes sense a LeBron stan would try to use that to discredit Bosh who how I described before was easily one of the best players in the league

Worst part is you flip around and talk about KD leading a team to the finals supposedly, completely disregarding Russell Westbrook

Imagine if Toronto Chris Bosh played with Westbrook, especially in the weak east

Your basketball knowledge is seriously embarrassing, do us all a favor and stop posting
It's funny how you talk about the East being so weak and yet he could only scrape 3 playoff wins in an embarrassing conference? you have to pick one. If Bosh was top 5, he would at least won a few more games as the leader of his team. Plus, he shot under 40% FG as the star player on his team in 2007... That's top 5? :biggums:

[warriorfan]

obviously not. I am saying that 2016 warriors with kd is considerably better than 2016 okc plus curry

as in kd is joining an ALREADY stacked team

What LeBron did was worse

LeBron joined the 2nd AND 4th highest in PER (Wade and Bosh)

That would be like Curry joining Durant(2nd) and Westbrook(4th)!

[warriorfan]

It's funny how you talk about the East being so weak and yet he could only scrape 3 playoff wins in an embarrassing conference? you have to pick one. If Bosh was top 5, he would at least won a few more games as the leader of his team. Plus, he shot under 40% FG as the star player on his team in 2007... That's top 5? :biggums:

Why are you bringing up 2007?

I was saying Chris Bosh was a top player in 2010, never said anything about 2007...

You not only don't know jack about ball but now you are doing embarrassing straw man shenanigans

just stop posting :facepalm

[red1]

What LeBron did was worse

LeBron joined the 2nd AND 4th highest in PER (Wade and Bosh)

That would be like Curry joining Durant(2nd) and Westbrook(4th)!
Wrong. He may have done it in a more diva way what with the tv special and all but even that wasn't all bad considering it raised 2.5 million for charity. In terms of stacking the deck which is what you're referring to - it absolutely is worse than 2010. The current warriors are literally a 73-9 team that won a championship not more than a season ago.

Durant literally ran to the rival that just knocked him out of the conference finals after going up 3-1 on them. The kicker: the fact that the thunder would have won if he didn't play like such a bitch!! Not a good year for kd IMO.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Why are you bringing up 2007?

I was saying Chris Bosh was a top player in 2010, never said anything about 2007...

You not only don't know jack about ball but now you are doing embarrassing straw man shenanigans

just stop posting :facepalm
Because we were talking about only winning 3 games in the playoffs. Hell, not making the playoffs in the "Weak east" you talk about is even more embarrassing.

Either way, nothing you say is really relevant anyway. There is simply nothing more cowardly than a superstar in his prime joining a 73 win team who just went to back to back finals, especially after getting bounced by said team. It's simply known as the most beta move in NBA history. Nothing you say about the big 3 heat will change that.

[warriorfan]

Wrong. He may have done it in a more diva way what with the tv special and all but even that wasn't all bad considering it raised 2.5 million for charity. In terms of stacking the deck which is what you're referring to - it absolutely is worse than 2010. The current warriors are literally a 73-9 team that won a championship not more than a season ago.

Durant literally ran to the rival that just knocked him out of the conference finals after going up 3-1 on them. The kicker: the fact that the thunder would have won if he didn't play like such a bitch!! Not a good year for kd IMO.

It's not Curry's fault that he stayed with his home team and built a 73-9 team around himself instead of choosing short cuts and leaving for other teams like LeBron did

Curry did what LeBron could never do, he brought a championship to his hometown with out leaving, built a dynasty the right way, and then pimped the 2nd best player to join him

LeBron was the best player in the league but took the shortcut, jumped ship from his home team, and joined up with the 2nd and 4th best players in the league (Wade and Bosh)

That would be like Curry leaving his home team and joining OKC (joining up with the 2nd and 4th best players in the league in Durant and Westbrook)

[SouBeachTalents]

It's not Curry's fault that he stayed with his home team and built a 73-9 team around himself instead of choosing short cuts and leaving for other teams like LeBron did

Curry did what LeBron could never do, he brought a championship to his hometown with out leaving, built a dynasty the right way, and then pimped the 2nd best player to join him

LeBron was the best player in the league but took the shortcut, jumped ship from his home team, and joined up with the 2nd and 4th best players in the league (Wade and Bosh)

That would be like Curry leaving his home team and joining OKC (joining up with the 2nd and 4th best players in the league in Durant and Westbrook)

So you seriously think Bosh was better than Kobe in 2010?

[red1]

It's not Curry's fault that he stayed with his home team and built a 73-9 team around himself instead of choosing short cuts and leaving for other teams like LeBron did

Curry did what LeBron could never do, he brought a championship to his hometown with out leaving, built a dynasty the right way, and then pimped the 2nd best player to join him

LeBron was the best player in the league but took the shortcut, jumped ship from his home team, and joined up with the 2nd and 4th best players in the league (Wade and Bosh)

That would be like Curry leaving his home team and joining OKC (joining up with the 2nd and 4th best players in the league in Durant and Westbrook)
No one is blaming curry you dimwit. People are saying that kd is a bitch and they are absolutely right. To be honest curry actually played like a bitch in the finals too.

[Wally450]

LeBron joined a 48 win team. How many wins did the Warriors have last season?

[warriorfan]

Because we were talking about only winning 3 games in the playoffs. Hell, not making the playoffs in the "Weak east" you talk about is even more embarrassing.

Either way, nothing you say is really relevant anyway. There is simply nothing more cowardly than a superstar in his prime joining a 73 win team who just went to back to back finals, especially after getting bounced by said team. It's simply known as the most beta move in NBA history. Nothing you say about the big 3 heat will change that.

I'm sorry that Chris Bosh didn't win enough playoff games with Jose Calderon and Andre Bargnani for your standards...

You are probably one of those asshole trolls who thinks Jordan wasn't a great player when he had early playoff struggles when he was on shitty teams as well

Chris Bosh scored 24 points per 36 minutes on 52 percent FG, 59% TS, that is elite scoring with elite efficiency

Elite rebounding at 11 boards per game

Great spacing the floor with a fantastic jumper

Athletic defender

Chris Bosh was an elite player in the league in 2010, stop trying to use his poor Toronto team against him

[K Xerxes]

So you seriously think Bosh was better than Kobe in 2010?

According to PER, kobe was the 15th best player in the league... david lee was ahead of him...

[J Shuttlesworth]

I'm sorry that Chris Bosh didn't win enough playoff games with Jose Calderon and Andre Bargnani for your standards...

You are probably one of those asshole trolls who thinks Jordan wasn't a great player when he had early playoff struggles when he was on shitty teams as well

Chris Bosh scored 24 points per 36 minutes on 52 percent FG, 59% TS, that is elite scoring with elite efficiency

Elite rebounding at 11 boards per game

Great spacing the floor with a fantastic jumper

Athletic defender

Chris Bosh was an elite player in the league in 2010, stop trying to use his poor Toronto team against him
He was a great player, I never denied that. But he wasn't top 5 and using PER only would be saying that Kobe wasn't a top 5 player in 2010, despite winning a ring. It just shows how many holes there are in your argument. PER would have Kobe at 14th

But LeBron and Bosh were going to a team that lost in the first round of the playoffs in the East. KD is going to a team that just won 73 games in the West. It's not even remotely comparable. what KD did is worse and really only Warrior fans disagree with it at this point.

[warriorfan]

Kobe can't be accurately reflected by PER because he was such a unique player

His not giving a damn attitude was to the extreme where he would take every last second shot, every tough shot when the shot clock was coming down, it has been coined as the "mamba mentality"

He would be the one to bail the Lakers out of the tough situations, always

This would lower his FG percentages and hurt his advanced stats

Now adays most players wont even chuck up a shot at the end of the Quarter because they are too scared to preserve their FG stats, so much that they would rather preserve their stats over helping their team winning

kobe was the opposite, he sacrificed his stats for winning

[J Shuttlesworth]

Kobe can't be accurately reflected by PER because he was such a unique player
[/i]
:roll: so your argument only works when its in your favor
GTFO with that childish nonsense

[warriorfan]

:roll: so your argument only works when its in your favor
GTFO with that childish nonsense

No, you are being unreasonable

You are picking extreme circumstances (Kobe Bryant) and trying to apply it to the entire field

Kobe is Kobe, he has a unique playstyle that is one of his own

The only two examples you guys have presented in trying to sandbag the accuracy of PER is Boban and Kobe, which have both been thoroughly explained

I suggest you do some research on outliers in relation to statistical results and analysis and how it effects (or not effects I should say) the overall accuracy of the study

[Kiddlovesnets]

Boban 3rd highest PER.
:bowdown:

[Dray n Klay]

Kobe can't be accurately reflected by PER because he was such a unique player


:roll: :roll: :roll:


Warriorfan exposes himself as a dumbass (not that he hasnt earlier)




Kobe can't be reflecte cause of PER, but Bosh is accurately reflected by PER even though he got his stats at the expense of team success??

[warriorfan]

Boban 3rd highest PER.
:bowdown:

Please refer to my post on page 1 explaining the inaccuracies of PER when used on players with drastically lower minutes

[J Shuttlesworth]

No, you are being unreasonable

You are picking extreme circumstances (Kobe Bryant) and trying to apply it to the entire field

Kobe is Kobe, he has a unique playstyle that is one of his own

The only two examples you guys have presented in trying to sandbag the accuracy of PER is Boban and Kobe, which have both been thoroughly explained

I suggest you do some research on outliers in relation to statistical results and analysis and how it effects (or not effects I should say) the overall accuracy of the study
You are picking unreasonable circumstance too like only using PER to try to act like LeBron/Wade/Bosh is worse than an MVP joining a 73 win team who just defeated him. PER isn't the end all. It would put Wilt as the GOAT, and everyone knows MJ is.

The vast majority of the world sees it as the most cowardly move a superstar could make and you're just trying to use mental gymnastics to try and diminish it, the same way you've been trying to diminish Curry's supporting cast. No matter which way you slice it, LeBron/Bosh joining a first round exit team will never be seen in the same vain as KD joining a 73 win team who just won a championship after getting knocked out by them. There are clear differences here and they are really not even worth a comparison.

[warriorfan]

:roll: :roll: :roll:


Warriorfan exposes himself as a dumbass (not that he hasnt earlier)




Kobe can't be reflecte cause of PER, but Bosh is accurately reflected by PER even though he got his stats at the expense of team success??

It does not work like that

Kobe's style of play lowers his PER compared to the rest of the players of the league (Kobe plays unlike any player in the league)

Bosh's style of play is more in line with the rest of the players in the league

Kobe is the outlier, not Bosh

[J Shuttlesworth]

Hell, just look at the all NBA selections. Bosh wasn't all NBA in 2009-10. Curry, Green and Thompson are All-NBA and KD just joined that :roll:

[warriorfan]

You are picking unreasonable circumstance too like only using PER to try to act like LeBron/Wade/Bosh is worse than an MVP joining a 73 win team who just defeated him. PER isn't the end all. It would put Wilt as the GOAT, and everyone knows MJ is.

The vast majority of the world sees it as the most cowardly move a superstar could make and you're just trying to use mental gymnastics to try and diminish it, the same way you've been trying to diminish Curry's supporting cast. No matter which way you slice it, LeBron/Bosh joining a first round exit team will never be seen in the same vain as KD joining a 73 win team who just won a championship after getting knocked out by them. There are clear differences here and they are really not even worth a comparison.

How is this the most cowardly move a superstar could make?

LeBron did the same thing as Kevin Durant. He left his hometown team in hopes of increasing his chance at a championship. Using records is pretty disingenuous because Durant joined a good team, while LeBron joined a slightly worse team, but LeBron also brought a top 4 player in the league with him.

Using the Heat's 2010 record and saying LeBron joined that isn't reflective of what actually happened, he joined a mediocre 2010 heat team but he didn't bring just himself, he brought another elite top 4 player WITH him.

KD joined a better team, but only brought himself.

[SouBeachTalents]

Hell, just look at the all NBA selections. Bosh wasn't all NBA in 2009-10. Curry, Green and Thompson are All-NBA and KD just joined that :roll:

That's how you just know Bosh wasn't even CLOSE to top 5 in 2010

Missed the playoffs, in the East no less
Didn't make an All-NBA Team
Didn't finish top 10 in MVP voting
Didn't league the lead in any statistical category

Absolutely no argument for top 5. None

[warriorfan]

That's how you just know Bosh wasn't even CLOSE to top 5 in 2010

Missed the playoffs, in the East no less
Didn't make an All-NBA Team
Didn't finish top 10 in MVP voting
Didn't league the lead in any statistical category

Absolutely no argument for top 5. None

Wow, you mindless ESPN drones and your media votes :lol

Media voting has always been awful and still is, but it has slightly improved in the past years

Chris Bosh always got underrepresented in All NBA because 1 he was extremely young, and 2 played for a poor small market team in Toronto

[J Shuttlesworth]

How is this the most cowardly move a superstar could make?

LeBron did the same thing as Kevin Durant. He left his hometown team in hopes of increasing his chance at a championship. Using records is pretty disingenuous because Durant joined a good team, while LeBron joined a slightly worse team, but LeBron also brought a top 4 player in the league with him.

Using the Heat's 2010 record and saying LeBron joined that isn't reflective of what actually happened, he joined a mediocre 2010 heat team but he didn't bring just himself, he brought another elite top 4 player WITH him.

KD joined a better team, but only brought himself.
Lol no. This has been discussed too much to have this argument again. Joining a team that just elminated you and went to two straight finals is different than building a new team after the Heat just got elminated from the first round. The fact that you think this is even remotely comparable shows that you're not worth conversing with on the subject.

[ShawkFactory]

Wow, you mindless ESPN drones and your media votes :lol

Media voting has always been awful and still is, but it has slightly improved in the past years

Chris Bosh always got underrepresented in All NBA because 1 he was extremely young, and 2 played for a poor small market team in Toronto
Extremely young? He was 26..

He wasn't a top 5 player in the league. Give it up.

He was borderline top 10

[warriorfan]

Lol no. This has been discussed too much to have this argument again. Joining a team that just elminated you and went to two straight finals is different than building a new team after the Heat just got elminated from the first round. The fact that you think this is even remotely comparable shows that you're not worth conversing with on the subject.

Joining a team you eliminated is not a big deal when you are the top player in the league and bringing a top 4 player with you as well...and joining the 2nd best in the league...

That would be like if Kevin Durant AND Russell Westbrook joined a playoff team that had the Best Player in the League....like the Warriors

[SouBeachTalents]

Joining a team you eliminated is not a big deal when you are the top player in the league and bringing a top 4 player with you as well...and joining the 2nd best in the league...

That would be like if Kevin Durant AND Russell Westbrook joined a playoff team that had the Best Player in the League....like the Warriors

What's your top 4 for the 2010 season?

[warriorfan]

What's your top 4 for the 2010 season?

1a. Wade
1b. LeBron
3. Durant
4. Bosh

[Dray n Klay]

1a. Wade
1b. LeBron
3. Durant
4. Bosh

So Bosh >> Kobe?

[warriorfan]

So Bosh >> Kobe?

I don't know, Bosh was a force that year

They are interchangeable in value depending on what the team needs

I don't have a problem with someone arguing Kobe over Bosh in 2010, but it's very close

Like I said before Chris Bosh is getting criminally underrated around here, he was an elite player that was buried in a small market team that was awful. He was recognized as an emerging star but he did not get the respect that he earned through his play and production. He was quietly putting up 24/12 on 59% TS while not getting much media coverage at all. He was dominant.

[Dray n Klay]

warriorfan, was Kevin Love better than Steph in 2014?

[Bankaii]

1a. Wade
1b. LeBron
3. Durant
4. Bosh
Looks like your agendas are conflicting:roll:

[warriorfan]

warriorfan, was Kevin Love better than Steph in 2014?

Yes

Curry was good in 2014 but he was far from his peak, he had a huge leap in 2015

Kevin Love put up historic hall of fame numbers in 2014. 26/12.5/4.4/59% TS

Want to see a list of the only players who have put up those numbers?

https://s32.postimg.org/ff31u3rbp/Kevin_Love_Ho_F.png

Prime Kareem Abdul Jabbar was the only player ever to do it, and he did it in a weak era with inflated pace

It's a safe bet to say that Kevin Love was better than Steph Curry in 2014

[RRR3]

Hassan Whiteside had a higher PER than Bosh ever had last year. Superstar, right?




Other "legends" who have put up huge PER seasons:

Elton Brand 26.7 PER in 2005-06
John Drew (25.31 PER in 1975-76, higher than Bosh ever had)
Terrell Brandon (25.24 in 1995-96, better than Bosh ever did)
Brook Lopez (24.73 PER in 2012-13)
Carlos Boozer (24.1 PER in 2006-07)

[RRR3]

In 2004, "ColludeBe", already playing with Shaq who was coming off a 29.5 PER season, got Karl Malone and Gary Payton as well, who were coming off 21.7 PER and 21.1 PER seasons, respectively.



Kobe also had THREE teammates (D12 Gasol and Nash) coming off of 20+ PER seasons going into the 2013 season. Didn't go well for him.

[RRR3]

Enes Kanter had a 24.0 PER this past year, for ****'s sake. Durant left a team with two 24+ PER guys, (Westbrook was 27.6, and was coming off a 29.1 season) to a team with to a team with only one guy with a PER above 20. Damn, Durant must want to lose, leaving such a stacked cast in OKC and joining those scrubs in Golden State :biggums:

[warriorfan]

Hassan Whiteside had a higher PER than Bosh ever had last year. Superstar, right?




Other "legends" who have put up huge PER seasons:

Elton Brand 26.7 PER in 2005-06
John Drew (25.31 PER in 1975-76, higher than Bosh ever had)
Terrell Brandon (25.24 in 1995-96, better than Bosh ever did)
Brook Lopez (24.73 PER in 2012-13)
Carlos Boozer (24.1 PER in 2006-07)

Few things here

First off PER cannot be compared cross years, it's not meant to be used like that. The way the numbers are normalized makes it so they can only be used to compare with others from the same season

Example, a PER of 20 in 2006 is not the same as a PER of 20 in 1976

Then there is minutes played


You obviously didn't read my post concerning minutes played and PER


No, because you do not understand how PER works

PER is not accurate when measuring players with far less minutes

If you look at both graphics, Boban has 3 times as less minutes (9 mpg) than all the other players

Boban's PER is not accurate to his actual value because of his minuscule minute load

All of the other readings are accurate however

[RRR3]

Terrell Brandon had a higher PER than Charles Barkley in 1995-96.

[RRR3]

Wilt Chamberlain Jerry West and Elgin Baylor were 1, 3, and 4 in PER in the 67-68 season. The next year, they teamed up. Most stacked ever, right, OP?

[RRR3]

For what it's worth Kyrie Irving has never been top 10 in PER, and the year before LeBron joined him he had a 20.1 PER. Boo-boo-boo-buh-buh-buh-but! :cry:

[warriorfan]

RRR3 you are making yourself look stupid

You have no idea what you are talking about, you cannot compare PER's across year, it doesn't work like that

:facepalm

[FLDFSU]

:facepalm Jesus the OP is getting destroyed and he keeps trying to post nonsense.

[RRR3]

Fine you want me to stick to the one year thing?


Terrell Brandon>Charles Barkley in 1996.


The year before LeBron joined the Cavaliers, Kyrie Irving wasn't even top TWENTY in the league in PER, behind such legends as Al Jefferson and Nikola Pekovic :oldlol:

[SouBeachTalents]

Fine you want me to stick to the one year thing?


Terrell Brandon>Charles Barkley in 1996.


The year before LeBron joined the Cavaliers, Kyrie Irving wasn't even top TWENTY in the league in PER, behind such legends as Al Jefferson and Nikola Pekovic :oldlol:

Bro, did you miss the post where he said Bosh > Kobe in 2010?

[RRR3]

Bro, did you miss the post where he said Bosh > Kobe in 2010?
Kobe's a scrub. Never even led the league in PER or even finished 2nd. What a loser.

[warriorfan]

The last thing LeBron fans should be trying to do is nitpick at PER considering it is one of his strongest arguments for being a top 10 All Time Great

:facepalm

How often is the person with the highest PER the best player in the league?

Look it up

PER is legit

[KiiiiNG]

OP has a point... what KD did was exactly the same as LeBron.

LeBron joined two top 5 player in PER while all three were about at their peaks.

But Heat only won 2 out of 4 championships..

So let's not penalize Durant if he fits in seamlessly and actually lives up to the expectations. It's way harder than it seems. This is gonna be a huge challenge for Durant and the Warriors to win. They have all the pressure in the world, especially Durant... so when they do win the title next year I wanna see people give KD the credit and respect he deserves.

I can't wait to spam KD's FMVP pic at you clowns.

[aj1987]

The last thing LeBron fans should be trying to do is nitpick at PER considering it is one of his strongest arguments for being a top 10 All Time Great

:facepalm

How often is the person with the highest PER the best player in the league?

Look it up

PER is legit
Is LeBron the 2nd and Wade the 10th GOAT?

[soots]

Everyone forgetting KD was maybe 5th best player of 2016 whereas LBJ was the man in Heat days

Any LBJ is significantly better than KD, and adds a considerably amount of weight to OPs argument.

[ArbitraryWater]

i don't know, bosh was a force that year

they are interchangeable in value depending on what the team needs

i don't have a problem with someone arguing kobe over bosh in 2010, but it's very close

like i said before chris bosh is getting criminally underrated around here, he was an elite player that was buried in a small market team that was awful. He was recognized as an emerging star but he did not get the respect that he earned through his play and production. He was quietly putting up 24/12 on 59% ts while not getting much media coverage at all. He was dominant.



what the ****

[ShawkFactory]

what the ****

:lol

[RRR3]

:lol
crack rotted his brain :ohwell:

[warriorfan]

R3 and Water, show me one post where you buck back on a Pau > Kobe post because of some obscure advanced stat

You probably cannot find any.


So when a dude says Bosh > Kobe you will do a fake outrage and bookmark it

When trolls were going wild with the Pau > Kobe…where were you at? lol


If we are being real with no trolling

Kobe > Bosh/Pau


R3 you agree???

(not gonna hold my breath as this loser tries to dodge this post)

[RRR3]

R3 and Water, show me one post where you buck back on a Pau > Kobe post because of some obscure advanced stat

You probably cannot find any.


So when a dude says Bosh > Kobe you will do a fake outrage and bookmark it

When trolls were going wild with the Pau > Kobe…where were you at? lol


If we are being real with no trolling

Kobe > Bosh/Pau


R3 you agree???

(not gonna hold my breath as this loser tries to dodge this post)
When's the last time someone said Pau was better than Kobe? You're worked up about trolling from 12 years ago :roll:

[highwhey]

:facepalm Jesus the OP is getting destroyed and he keeps trying to post nonsense.

typical for OP

[Stephonit]

Oh goodie. Another thread to make us ask what has happened since.

At the time this thread was made people still couldn't be certain. But we know now what happened and it is even more impressive than was expected at the time.

[Hey Yo]

15-66

[Hey Yo]

0/22.

Updated in the previous post.