View Full Version : So the consensus is now that LeBron is top 5 no questions asked/Arguable top 3
Im Still Ballin
06-21-2016, 03:09 AM
This is the consensus now
Anything outside of the top 5 is blasphemy now
Man did ESPN and SI call it earlier in the year
James looks certain to finish top 2 when it's all said and done
Legendary
Prime_Shaq
06-21-2016, 03:12 AM
IMO anywhere between #4 to #7. That being said I find it hard to rank Bill Russell because I've never seen him play but his accolades speak for himself.
SavageMode
06-21-2016, 03:13 AM
Easily in my top 5
Im Still Ballin
06-21-2016, 03:23 AM
IMO anywhere between #4 to #7. That being said I find it hard to rank Bill Russell because I've never seen him play but his accolades speak for himself.
Nah anything outside the top 5 is wrong
It's consensus top 5 bottom line
His volume of work demands so
Kiddlovesnets
06-21-2016, 03:25 AM
But anyway if you look back at ESPN's top 100 list, it clearly had future expectation on the ranking. Lebron prior to this title was nowhere near top 3, but if you consider that Lebron will likely to win another ring or two, it becomes plausible.
Quickening
06-21-2016, 03:26 AM
That is the consensus :applause:
kamil
06-21-2016, 03:27 AM
This is the consensus now
Anything outside of the top 5 is blasphemy now
Man did ESPN and SI call it earlier in the year
James looks certain to finish top 2 when it's all said and done
Legendary
Top 2? Uh.... NO, once again, you need to be reminded that the GOAT conversation for LeBron* was over in 2011. He'll be top 5 at best.
3ball
06-21-2016, 03:28 AM
James looks certain to finish top 2 when it's all said and done
Don't get your hopes up bud!!
Lebron has half the FMVP's and half the rings - he needs to redo his entire career AGAIN to match Jordan's playoff accomplishments.
What a time!!!
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James looks certain to finish top 2 when it's all said and done
GOAT impact on a lottery team
The numbers tell the story - Jordan's 1989 cast added enough help on top of his 33/8/8 to win 47 games - compare that to Lebron's cast in 2009, which added enough help on top of his 28/8/7 to win 66 games.. The only possible reasons for the Cavs winning 19 more games despite Lebron's inferior production is that his supporting cast was better and/or they played inferior competition.. Obviously, the 19 additional wins isn't ONLY due to inferior competition - it's due to better supporting cast as well.
Brand of basketball isn't an issue - we know Jordan's 1989 team played a better brand of basketball because his brand was more successful in the playoffs.. Jordan's 6th seeded Bulls beat higher seeds in every round and took the champs to 6 games in ECF, while Lebron's heavily-favored 1 seed saw their brand of basketball exposed in the 2nd Round by the Magic.
Also, there's another reason Jordan's cast might've been the worst ever - no all-time great led their team in scoring for every playoff series of their career, let alone by 15 ppg (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=406920) like Jordan.. Let that sink in
And Jordan's impact on his horrible cast is clearly evident - in 1989, the 47-win Bulls would've missed the 45-win playoff cut without Jordan's 33/8/8.. So without Jordan, that roster was a LOTTERY roster and headed nowhere going into the 1990 season - but WITH Jordan, they were ECF veterans and about to begin a 6-peat dynasty.. Essentially, Jordan led that same lottery roster from 1989 to a 3-peat beginning 2 seasons later - that's the goat impact on a lottery team.
James looks certain to finish top 2 when it's all said and done
https://media.giphy.com/media/wMmq6cI9myaDS/giphy.gif
In the playoffs and Finals, Jordan scored far more than Lebron on better efficiency (ts, fg, ortg), while only getting 1 less assist.
Now could Lebron maintain the tiny assist edge if he was required to lead his team in scoring for every playoff series of his career by an average of 15.4 ppg (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=406920) like Jordan did?... Obviously not - Lebron has many series where he wasn't the team's leading scorer (even an entire playoff run).. The reality is that NO all-time great led his team in scoring for every playoff series of their career, let alone by 15 ppg like Jordan (let that sink in).
Specifically, Jordan scored 5.5 more ppg with better efficiency, which is more valuable, requires more energy, and controls the game better than Lebron's 2.5 defensive rebound edge and 1.0 assist edge.. There's never been a #1 option that scored 5-6 more points on better efficiency that wasn't considered the FAR better player.. :confusedshrug:
Btw, in addition to Jordan's goat scoring load, he also led his team in passing, just like Lebron - Jordan led the Bulls in assist percentage for both 3-peats (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713121&postcount=49), so he assisted on the highest proportion of teammate field goals.. Ultimately, Jordan's goat scoring load, team-leading passing, and best-ever defense at his position is the goat performance and biggest load ever carried.
Im Still Ballin
06-21-2016, 03:31 AM
Nope
He's consensus top 5 now
It's not even a question
All the rational posters agree
Nilocon165
06-21-2016, 03:33 AM
Nope
He's consensus top 5 now
It's not even a question
All the rational posters agree
I'm rational baby!
https://media.giphy.com/media/3oEjHNQ2nkJB74VwFW/giphy.gif
scuzzy
06-21-2016, 03:46 AM
One thing I know for sure is
I'm done waisting my breath mentioning Lebron and Kobe in the same sentence
It use to be fun for shock value
now thou?
It's flat out disrespectful to James
On topic:
I think OP is spot on, but whats new :confusedshrug:
Yep, It's Top 5 is non-debatable
Top 3 is the pro-choice, majority
With theatre reservations to the Top 1-2 show
I personally think he lapped Kareem, next year will cement that
Im Still Ballin
06-21-2016, 03:49 AM
One thing I know for sure is
I'm done waisting my breath mentioning Lebron and Kobe in the same sentence
It use to be fun for shock value
now thou?
It's flat out disrespectful to James
On topic:
I think OP is spot on, but whats new :confusedshrug:
Yep, It's Top 5 is non-debatable
Top 3 is the pro-choice, majority
With theatre reservations to the Top 1-2 show
I personally think he lapped Kareem, next year will cement that
Good point about the Kobe shit
It was funny but now it's disrespectful to LeBron
scuzzy
06-21-2016, 04:16 AM
Good point about the Kobe shit
It was funny but now it's disrespectful to LeBron
Definitely
When things cool down around here
I'm gunna call for a Fam voluntary meeting
That will be one of the main issues discussed
My proposition: We as a unit no longer entertain Top 1-10 vs Top 11-100 debates, like, ever
Compare guys in their selective Tiers (IE Drexler vs Kobe) acceptable
It's simply wasting Jeffs bandwidth, the whole 250mb's he has
I'm going to chirp him on Insta with an idea
A auto-mod that deletes threads containing the words "Kobe" and "Lebron" co-existing in the Titles
Also a new function that limits users to 2 threads per day
This guy Niliconed and others are out of pocket
Pretty sure Jeff/Steve will make me Mod
But my resume reeks over qualified
We'll see
RoundMoundOfReb
06-21-2016, 04:20 AM
Top 1.
Mr Feeny
06-21-2016, 04:23 AM
3ball.
What does Jordan have to do with anything. Op said top 2 . He's not wrong
He never stated lebron was as good as Jordan or was going to be. But I do think - as do the majority of basketball fans by general consensus - that James might be better than any basketball player not named Michael Jordan.
He's top 5 minimum and most have him 3rd right now. Another ring or mvp and he's top 2 I'd say.
Mr Feeny
06-21-2016, 04:24 AM
Definitely
When things cool down around here
I'm gunna call for a Fam voluntary meeting
That will be one of the main issues discussed
My proposition: We as a unit no longer entertain Top 1-10 vs Top 11-100 debates, like, ever
Compare guys in their selective Tiers (IE Drexler vs Kobe) acceptable
It's simply wasting Jeffs bandwidth, the whole 250mb's he has
I'm going to chirp him on Insta with an idea
A auto-mod that deletes threads containing the words "Kobe" and "Lebron" co-existing in the Titles
Also a new function that limits users to 2 threads per day
This guy Niliconed and others are out of pocket
Pretty sure Jeff/Steve will make me Mod
But my resume reeks over qualified
We'll see
:lol :roll:
Nilocon165
06-21-2016, 04:26 AM
Definitely
When things cool down around here
I'm gunna call for a Fam voluntary meeting
That will be one of the main issues discussed
My proposition: We as a unit no longer entertain Top 1-10 vs Top 11-100 debates, like, ever
Compare guys in their selective Tiers (IE Drexler vs Kobe) acceptable
It's simply wasting Jeffs bandwidth, the whole 250mb's he has
I'm going to chirp him on Insta with an idea
A auto-mod that deletes threads containing the words "Kobe" and "Lebron" co-existing in the Titles
Also a new function that limits users to 2 threads per day
This guy Niliconed and others are out of pocket
Pretty sure Jeff/Steve will make me Mod
But my resume reeks over qualified
We'll see
Good idea tbh
raprap
06-21-2016, 04:45 AM
I currently have him at 4. 1 more ring or mvp makes him top 3. The Jordan/Jabbar/James family :bowdown:
JebronLames
06-21-2016, 04:49 AM
This ring counts as three rings since it proves they would have won last year had Kyrie and love remained healthy, and a bonus ring for beating a 70 win team
So LeBron has 5 rings
He's top 2 with a chance to be 1a if he repeats next year with another FMVP
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