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pauk

06-08-2016, 04:47 AM

Would be justified if LeBron himself was playing well, but this is pretty much throwing rocks while sitting in a glass house.

Lebron averages a 20+ point triple double... perhaps not playing up to his PRIME LEBRON standards but he definitely is playing up to his current standards, all year long in a season where it has been confirmed that Kawhi / Curry are better and Curry/Warriors are the favorite by far.... see how they are doing.... for Curry we dont have to worry with Warriors, he just won a game with a blowout despite just sitting on the bench dropping 11 pts.... where this time instead of Iggy, it looks like Draymond or even Livingston will recieve more FMVP votes.....

Again, basketball is a team sport.... the best TEAM will always win no matter the **** an individual does... see even Jordan before his 1st championship, he was dropping 40-50 points left & right (efficiently), there wasnt a single game he didnt went nuts in, HE WAS UNSTOPPABLE, HIS TEAM HOWEVER, different story.... the shit doesnt matter when your supporting cast isnt good enough and/or doesnt show up to play just simply up their standards (even if that standard is just averaging 5 ppg)....

GeeWiz

06-08-2016, 04:52 AM

Lebron averages a 20+ point triple double... perhaps not playing up to his PRIME LEBRON standards but he definitely is playing up to his current standards, all year long in a season where it has been confirmed that Kawhi / Curry are better.... see how they are doing.... for Curry we dont have to worry with Warriors, he just won a game with 20+ points blowout despite just sitting in the bench dropping 11 pts.... where this time instead of Iggy, it looks like Draymond or even Livingston will recieve more FMVP votes.....

Again, basketball is a team sport.... the best TEAM will always win no matter the **** an individual does... see even Jordan before his 1st championship, he was dropping 40-50 points left & right (efficiently), there wasnt a single game he didnt went nuts in, HE WAS UNSTOPPABLE, HIS TEAM HOWEVER, different story.... the shit doesnt matter when your supporting cast isnt good enough and/or doesnt show up to play just simply up their standards (even if its just averaging 5 ppg)....

You're just using numbers, watch the games, numbers don't mean shit if they don't impact the game. Curry is still impacting the game despite looking poor on the stat sheet, thats where LeBron falls short.

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06-08-2016, 05:03 AM

Lebron averages a 20+ point triple double... perhaps not playing up to his PRIME LEBRON standards but he definitely is playing up to his current standards, all year long in a season where it has been confirmed that Kawhi / Curry are better and Curry/Warriors are the favorite by far.... see how they are doing.... for Curry we dont have to worry with Warriors, he just won a game with a blowout despite just sitting on the bench dropping 11 pts.... where this time instead of Iggy, it looks like Draymond or even Livingston will recieve more FMVP votes.....

Again, basketball is a team sport.... the best TEAM will always win no matter the **** an individual does... see even Jordan before his 1st championship, he was dropping 40-50 points left & right (efficiently), there wasnt a single game he didnt went nuts in, HE WAS UNSTOPPABLE, HIS TEAM HOWEVER, different story.... the shit doesnt matter when your supporting cast isnt good enough and/or doesnt show up to play just simply up their standards (even if that standard is just averaging 5 ppg)....

Extremely convenient for you to think this now. Lol. This is not true in every case. Time and time again, the better player has LED their team to victory over tough odds.

Curry's MERE PRESENCE on the court is HAVING MORE OF A POSITIVE IMPACT than lebron james with the basketball in his hands.

Curry is getting his teammates open by literally just running around in circles (back-cuts/baseline screens and etc)

He's playing shawdow basketball with the Cavaliers.

3LiftHeatCurse

06-08-2016, 05:06 AM

Extremely convenient for you to think this now. Lol. This is not true in every case. Time and time again, the better player has LED their team to victory over tough odds.

Curry's MERE PRESENCE on the court is HAVING MORE OF A POSITIVE IMPACT than lebron james with the basketball in his hands.

Curry is getting his teammates open by literally just running around in circles (back-cuts/baseline screens and etc)

He's playing shawdow basketball with the Cavaliers.

This is true.

I'm watching defensive replays and breakdowns on youtube, and a lot of people are pointing out James' terrible D because he's focused on Curry so much. The Cavs will go out of their way to double team Curry and bump him or push him around to break up his movements.... but it's leaving Curry's teammates open for shots.

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06-08-2016, 05:08 AM

You're just using numbers, watch the games, numbers don't mean shit if they don't impact the game. Curry is still impacting the game despite looking poor on the stat sheet, thats where LeBron falls short.

Lol. Lebron is literally switching on screens that are are 5 feet from the basket so he can go for easy steals by shooting gaps....leaving Barnes/Iggy for layups.

Meanwhile....Curry doesn't have to do anything because the bench is ethering the eastern conference "champs"

pauk

06-08-2016, 05:08 AM

You're just using numbers, watch the games, numbers don't mean shit if they don't impact the game. Curry is still impacting the game despite looking poor on the stat sheet, thats where LeBron falls short.

How does it not impact the game? Ofcourse its nowhere enough to obliterate the Warriors.... but Lebron is still accountable for most of Cavs points on the boxscore by way of individual points & setting up others for points and has been their best rebounder & defender...

But is that enough to beat the Warriors? Clearly not... the impact is nowhere enough, Lebrons impact works as high only as whatever he has to work with around him (and how they perform) allows it to go...

Numbers dont lie, the numbers that i have forgot to show you is his teams bench points and how they are doing when he is not playing (on the bench) compared to not only the Warriors bench points but everybody else.......

Aginst this Warrirors team the requirements for how much impact is needed is HISTORICALLY HIGH.... unless you to have a historically stacked team....

The way Warriros are playing and the way Cavs supporting cast is playing I doubt even prime Jordan will be enough to win this Finals... maybe he could squeeze out 1-2 wins tho.... yay...

pauk

06-08-2016, 05:11 AM

Extremely convenient for you to think this now. Lol. This is not true in every case. Time and time again, the better player has LED their team to victory over tough odds.

Curry's MERE PRESENCE on the court is HAVING MORE OF A POSITIVE IMPACT than lebron james with the basketball in his hands.

Curry is getting his teammates open by literally just running around in circles (back-cuts/baseline screens and etc)

He's playing shawdow basketball with the Cavaliers.

Yes... he just has to run around in circles, not even that, but just sit on the bench with his 11 points & have his entire bench drop 46 pts, 16 rebs & 11 assists compared to Cavs bench 10 pts, 3 rbs, 1 ast.... its his presence... he doesnt even need to be there, his teammates just have to have his picture in their pockets...

That impact.....

GeeWiz

06-08-2016, 05:12 AM

How does it not impact the game? Ofcourse its nowhere enough to obliterate the Warriors.... but Lebron is still accountable for most of Cavs points on the boxscore by way of individual points & setting up others for points and has been their best rebounder & defender...

But is that enough to beat the Warriors? Clearly not... the impact is nowhere enough, Lebrons impact works as high only as whatever he has to work with around him (and how they perform) allows it to go...

Numbers dont lie, the numbers that i have forgot to show you is his teams bench points and how they are doing when he is not playing (on the bench) compared to not only the Warriors bench points but everybody else.......

Aginst this Warrirors team the requirements for how much impact is needed is HISTORICALLY HIGH.... unless you to have a historically stacked team....

The way Warriros are playing and the way Cavs supporting cast is playing I doubt even prime Jordan will be enough to win this Finals... maybe he could squeeze out 1-2 wins tho.... yay...

You're missing the point, forget the numbers, look at the on court impact, there are situations when the Cavs are lost and they are looking at LeBron to spark a run, thats what a superstar does, regardless of whether a Jordan or a Curry would be having a bad night, they would step up when it mattered.

This is beyond numbers, this is about leadership and impact. If he really is a top 10 GOAT, then he has to be held to that standard, quit making excuses and hold him accountable for once.

Smoke117

06-08-2016, 05:27 AM

Are you ever going to shut the **** up about lebron? :biggums: You keep calling out his stans as you call it...but all you do is make constant threads obsessing over him you fukking dimwit.

pauk

06-08-2016, 05:28 AM

You're missing the point, forget the numbers, look at the on court impact, there are situations when the Cavs are lost and they are looking at LeBron to spark a run, thats what a superstar does, regardless of whether a Jordan or a Curry would be having a bad night, they would step up when it mattered.

This is beyond numbers, this is about leadership and impact. If he really is a top 10 GOAT, then he has to be held to that standard, quit making excuses and hold him accountable for once.

Lebron is top 10 GOAT and is at the downfall of his decline from his prime surrounded with THIS supporting cast playing against THIS Warriors team, he is doing exactly what is expected...

However, he is not #1 GOAT and 25 years old and has a much better supporting cast.... and its exactly THAT what is required from him to win over this Warriors team....

Its no excuse, its just reason... its just realism, logic, objectivity... If you have no legs & still get to the Finals, but lose... and get beaten down for it, like you really were expected to win.... not fair... the moment you mention he had no legs, you just hear "no excuses!!".... not fair....

Just seeing how good Lebron is right now, what he has to work with around him compared to Warriors.... the requirements needed to dominate them.... it does not look good, his team is not good enough and what is required from him individually is out of this world, hence he is not good enough aswell... he will need to drop at least 50 points every game (efficiently) to win and im not sure he can do that.... im not sure even the GOAT himself could do that.... Lebron himself tried that very hard last Finals, see how it went...

GeeWiz

06-08-2016, 05:32 AM

Lebron is top 10 GOAT and is at the downfall of his decline from his prime surronded with THIS supporting cast, he is doing exactly what is expected against this Warriors team....

However, he is not #1 GOAT and 25 years old and has a much better supporting cast.... and its exactly THAT what is required from him to win over this Warriors team....

Its no excuse, its just reason... its just god damn realism, logic, objectivity... If you have no legs & still get to the Finals, but lose... and get beaten down for it, like you really were expected to win.... not fair... the moment you mention he had no legs, you just hear "no excuses!!".... not fair....

Just seeing how good Lebron is right now, what he has to work with around him compared to Warriors.... the requirements needed to dominate them.... it does not look good, his team is not good enough... and what is required from him individually is out of this world... he will need to drop at least 50 points every game (efficiently) and at this stage im not sure he can do that....

The bolded shows that you aren't being logical at all, as a LeBron fan you would know that he isn't doing whats required of him at all.

I won't bother responding to everything else, as they are just long winded excuses, I will say this once more, hold him accountable son.

pauk

06-08-2016, 05:52 AM

The bolded shows that you aren't being logical at all, as a LeBron fan you would know that he isn't doing whats required of him at all.

I won't bother responding to everything else, as they are just long winded excuses, I will say this once more, hold him accountable son.

Look man... considering the circumstances of how good he is (nope, he is not THE GOAT, nope he is not in his prime, nope he is not even the undisputed best player in the NBA) and what he has to work with around him and whom he has to work all that around against... the result is totally expected... his team is not good enough and he is not good enough (good enough from an Individual to dominate this Warriors squad with Cavs current performing supporting cast would be 50+ ppg at 100% FG).... and even then if he was that good enough i still doubt one man will be enough to win considering how good Warriors are who are the defending champs that just won the most games in NBA history (and the fact that they are down 0-2)....

Thats all im saying...

**** being a Lebron fan, i like his game yes, but so what, just because im not a hater doesnt mean im a Lebron stan... logic, facts, objectivity, impartiality comes first.... i am a basketball fan first and foremost... Cavs (that includes Lebron) are not good enough to win over Warriors.... so laugh all you want at the 2/7 or 2/8 or 2/13 or 2/20 that will be coming next... this Warrior team is not going anywhere and Lebron/Cavs are not getting any younger or better....

Unless prime Jordan + Shaq are teleported to some stacked team today, i think Warriors will win the championship for many more straight years (if they are healthy).... they are THAT good.... Lebron will have to settle with being Top 10 and stop chasing for GOAT, thats not gonna happen....

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06-08-2016, 06:07 AM

The Bron stans have totally given up on this clown. Lol.

Funny thing is, they were cheesing from ear to ear picturing GSW losing to OKC.

They thought they'd get OKC so they were happy (even though they would've loss to them as well)

They were excited to see that the Warriors looked mortal and beatable...now they're saying that their hero stood no chance.

The amount of mental gymnastics is incredible and unprecedented.

Maybe it's because OKC plays a better brand of basketball than Cleveland and we just got done watching the real finals.

GeeWiz

06-08-2016, 06:16 AM

Look man... considering the circumstances of how good he is (nope, he is not THE GOAT, nope he is not in his prime, nope he is not even the undisputed best player in the NBA) and what he has to work with around him and whom he has to work all that around against... the result is totally expected... his team is not good enough and he is not good enough (good enough from an Individual to dominate this Warriors squad with Cavs current performing supporting cast would be 50+ ppg at 100% FG).... and even then if he was that good enough i still doubt one man will be enough to win considering how good Warriors are who are the defending champs that just won the most games in NBA history (and the fact that they are down 0-2)....

Thats all im saying...

**** being a Lebron fan, i like his game yes, but so what, just because im not a hater doesnt mean im a Lebron stan... logic, facts, objectivity, impartiality comes first.... i am a basketball fan first and foremost... Cavs (that includes Lebron) are not good enough to win over Warriors.... so laugh all you want at the 2/7 or 2/8 or 2/13 or 2/20 that will be coming next... this Warrior team is not going anywhere and Lebron/Cavs are not getting any younger or better....

Unless prime Jordan + Shaq are teleported to some stacked team today, i think Warriors will win the championship for many more straight years (if they are healthy).... they are THAT good.... Lebron will have to settle with being Top 10 and stop chasing for GOAT, thats not gonna happen....

Don't give me that bullshit, heres a fact for you, if it wasn't for an epic chokejob, the Thunder would have beaten this team THIS YEAR. It's not some forgone conclusion that the Warriors will win for many years after this one, it's highly likely, but nothing is set in stone.

All im hearing is excuse after excuse, here let me do your job for you, all you have to say is "LeBron didn't play very well in games 1 and 2, he needs to step up in game 3", thats it, stop making excuses.

coin24

06-08-2016, 06:22 AM

Pauk melting down:lol enjoy that 2/7

Curry still comes in and dominates the game, makes the right pass, finds the open man etc. hit some nice 3s in game 2..

Bran just keeps making frustrated face and crying on the bench blaming his teammates when he himself can't shoot for shit and is turning the ball over. Lazy on D aswel.. LeShook

theaussieguy

06-08-2016, 07:07 AM

You're just using numbers, watch the games, numbers don't mean shit if they don't impact the game. Curry is still impacting the game despite looking poor on the stat sheet, thats where LeBron falls short.
exactly, curry is getting triple teamed, this is simply unheard of, all he needs do is be on the court to be the greatest player in the world, its not even trolling its just reality. He can drain it from ANYWHERE, they are forced to cover him and in doing so you get bench warmers literally exploding on lebron james. It is both marvelous and horrifying at the same time how good this guy is.

zizozain

06-08-2016, 07:12 AM

agreed with Pauk

chazzy

06-08-2016, 10:35 AM

Lebron averages a 20+ point triple double... perhaps not playing up to his PRIME LEBRON standards but he definitely is playing up to his current standards, all year long in a season where it has been confirmed that Kawhi / Curry are better and Curry/Warriors are the favorite by far.... see how they are doing.... for Curry we dont have to worry with Warriors, he just won a game with a blowout despite just sitting on the bench dropping 11 pts.... where this time instead of Iggy, it looks like Draymond or even Livingston will recieve more FMVP votes.....

Again, basketball is a team sport.... the best TEAM will always win no matter the **** an individual does... see even Jordan before his 1st championship, he was dropping 40-50 points left & right (efficiently), there wasnt a single game he didnt went nuts in, HE WAS UNSTOPPABLE, HIS TEAM HOWEVER, different story.... the shit doesnt matter when your supporting cast isnt good enough and/or doesnt show up to play just simply up their standards (even if that standard is just averaging 5 ppg)....
He's not playing well