Why did Kobe only win 2 scoring titles?

[Im Still Ballin]

GOAT Scorer?

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[Atlantis]

Rape case killed his swag. Would've won the scoring title in 03-04 had it not been for the rape trial. He averaged 30.0 ppg the year before.

[Bankaii]

Overrated scorer.
Lotta shot=lotta points=lotta bricks

[ballinhun8]

Damn ISB.


You just can't stand the fact that Curry is the face of the NBA for two years now.



Everytime he plays big we can count on a Kobe topic from you.


Meltdown and rent free don't even begin to describe your sadness.

[DingDengDong]

Damn ISB.


You just can't stand the fact that Curry is the face of the NBA for two years now.



Everytime he plays big we can count on a Kobe topic from you.


Meltdown and rent free don't even begin to describe your sadness.
:applause:

[knicksman]

Overrated scorer.
Lotta shot=lotta points=lotta bricks


More like you dont know shit

[bobopenguin]

seems kobe is still tormenting these bran stans.
:applause: keep it up kobe, destroy them!

[knicksman]

seems kobe is still tormenting these bran stans.
:applause: keep it up kobe, destroy them!

They still cant accept that a 4 time mvp has less rings than kobe:oldlol:

[aj1987]

:roll: :roll:

Chokebe turds with no answers, so they go to their standard "meltdown!!11" posts.

[SwayDizzle]

why did kobe only win 8 scoring titles?

[SexSymbol]

he didn't care about it.
Easily could've taken it away from melo few years ago, but didn't give the slightest shit about it. Man only cared about winning

[raprap]

Steph bout to tie him next season :bowdown:

[aj1987]

he didn't care about it.
Easily could've taken it away from melo few years ago, but didn't give the slightest shit about it. Man only cared about winning
:roll: :roll: :roll:

KD was #2 and he scored almost a whole PPG more than Kobe.

[ArbitraryWater]

he didn't care about it.
Easily could've taken it away from melo few years ago, but didn't give the slightest shit about it. Man only cared about winning

That was 2012, and it was Durant, and he needed 43 pts in the final game to get it.. so no, not quite easy.

Plus, the "he didnt care about it" isnt an excuse anyway, cause he led the league in FGA already :roll:

[toprange]

Championships before Stat Padding. Simple as that. The more important question is why is lebron 2/6 with stacked teams:lol

[raprap]

That was 2012, and it was Durant, and he needed 43 pts in the final game to get it.. so no, not quite easy.

Plus, the "he didnt care about it" isnt an excuse anyway, cause he led the league in FGA already :roll:
:roll:

[aj1987]

That was 2012, and it was Durant, and he needed 43 pts in the final game to get it.. so no, not quite easy.

Plus, the "he didnt care about it" isnt an excuse anyway, cause he led the league in FGA already :roll:
Took 26 shots in the Final game he played as well.

[ArbitraryWater]

Took 26 shots in the Final game he played as well.

yea, and then there was still one game left which he sat out, but 43 pts is unlikely anyway.

Not like he didnt chuck enough for it already with 23 FGA that year compared to KD's 20 :oldlol:

[raprap]

Took 26 shots in the Final game he played as well.
He didn't care tho. :roll:

[Disaprine]

why did lebron lose 4 finals. :(

[riseagainst]

OP with that no ***** life doe.

Props.

:applause:

[Mr Feeny]

why did kobe only win 8 scoring titles?

He didn't
He only won 2:lol

[scuzzy]

He didn't
He only won 2:lol
:lol

[MEB2kDeez]

I'm sure Kobe and his fans reflect on this every night

[Gileraracer]

That's more than Lebron right?

[riseagainst]

I'm sure Kobe and his fans reflect on this every night


:roll:

[DonDadda59]

To be fair to Beans, he spent half his career being assistant pimp to the MDE while killers like AI and T-Mac were running wild then spent the second half of his career (post Pau acquisition) on championship contenders/winners that would've been hurt by him going for a 35 PPG season like he had when the Lakers were straight trash.

Definitely a bit overrated as a scorer though. No one got hot like him I'll say though. Curry is the closest thing we've seen since, but the Chef is not a legitimate threat to score 70 on any given night like Beans was from '05-'07.

[toprange]

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Because Kobe was busy winning championships. Gotta prioritize or it won't happen. You should not that. :lol

[ArbitraryWater]

To be fair to Beans, he spent half his career being assistant pimp to the MDE while killers like AI and T-Mac were running wild then spent the second half of his career (post Pau acquisition) on championship contenders/winners that would've been hurt by him going for a 35 PPG season like he had when the Lakers were straight trash.

Definitely a bit overrated as a scorer though. No one got hot like him I'll say though. Curry is the closest thing we've seen since, but the Chef is not a legitimate threat to score 70 on any given night like Beans was from '05-'07.

who cares about the fact he played alongside Shaq and AI and T-Mac didn't, when Kobe still took as many FGA :oldlol:

Plus, Curry hasn't been on a shit team with the green light to chuck 25 shots, he'd easily average more than 35 ppg in the same scenario.

[Hey Yo]

To be fair to Beans, he spent half his career being assistant pimp to the MDE while killers like AI and T-Mac were running wild then spent the second half of his career (post Pau acquisition) on championship contenders/winners that would've been hurt by him going for a 35 PPG season like he had when the Lakers were straight trash.

Definitely a bit overrated as a scorer though. No one got hot like him I'll say though. Curry is the closest thing we've seen since, but the Chef is not a legitimate threat to score 70 on any given night like Beans was from '05-'07.
Beans could've possibly had what AI and T-Mac did, if he let NJ draft him instead of insisting he play for a team that already had an All-Star / All rookie first team SG.

[34-24 Footwork]

Beans could've possibly had what AI and T-Mac did, if he let NJ draft him instead of insisting he play for a team that already had an All-Star / All rookie first team SG.

"Blah blah blah blah blah.....I hate Kobe....blah blah blah".

Let this man retire in peace, man. You aren't convincing anyone that Kobe is as bad as you're making him out to be. It's over. Kobe is done, bruhman.

[TheMarkMadsen]

he led the league in total points 4 times :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

scoring titles go to leaders in ppg.

For example, Melo won the scoring title in 2013, but Durant outscored him by over 300+ points in the season.

Kind of like how Curry is currently beating out Lebron in playoff ppg, but Lebron has scored 80+ more points than Cury

and I bet if I asked any of you lebron stans who has been better at scoring in these playoffs, you'd pick Lebron because he's played more games and scored more points.

[Hey Yo]

"Blah blah blah blah blah.....I hate Kobe....blah blah blah".

Let this man retire in peace, man. You aren't convincing anyone that Kobe is as bad as you're making him out to be. It's over. Kobe is done, bruhman.
I know reading the facts bother you....but you'll just have to learn to get over it and live with em'

[34-24 Footwork]

I know reading the facts bother you....but you'll just have to learn to get over it and live with em'

Kobe is done. Quit letting the man live in your brain.

[TheMarkMadsen]

I know reading the facts bother you....but you'll just have to learn to get over it and live with em'

your opinion doesn't equal facts

you're still upset about this thread where Kobe fans and even non Kobe fans called you out for being a jackass with the getting drafted to the nets scenario :lol :lol

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=353937&page=2

[ImKobe]

league had a lot of chuckers in the early 2000s and he played alongside Shaq, so it's a Russ/KD situation where both guys are putting up first option scoring numbers

How could Kobe or Shaq even compete ppg-wise with AI or T-Mac, who played on teams where they had the green light to take 30 shots whenever they felt like it because that's how their rosters were built.

[34-24 Footwork]

Lol. I think I've seen Markmadsen flame every bron stan on this board with ease.

[Hey Yo]

your opinion doesn't equal facts

you're still upset about this thread where Kobe fans and even non Kobe fans called you out for being a jackass with the getting drafted to the nets scenario :lol :lol

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=353937&page=2
Did or did not Calipari and the Nets want to draft Kobe 8th overall and Kobe camp said he wouldn't sign if they did because he wanted to play for the Lakers?

[Magic 32]

2000-2004 = played with Shaq

2005-2007 = won 2 of 3

2008-2011 = had better things to do. Like saing himself for the playoffs.

2012 = could have won it if he wanted to.

2013- = old

[ImKobe]

2000-2004 = played with Shaq

2005-2007 = won 2 of 3

2008-2011 = had better things to do. Like saing himself for the playoffs.

2012 = could have won it if he wanted to.

2013- = old

2012 I think he needed like 35 points in a meaningless game to win the scoring title over KD but sat the game out to save himself for the Playoffs.

[DingDengDong]

he didn't care about it.
Easily could've taken it away from melo few years ago, but didn't give the slightest shit about it. Man only cared about winning
:roll: :roll:

You really think Kobe didn't care about scoring? All he cared about was winning? Is that why he ran Shaq out of town? All he cared about his how he was viewed. Sometimes winning was important to help that perception, but when winning wasn't happening, all he cared about was scoring enough to provide some BS evidence that he was doing his part.

[ImKobe]

:roll: :roll:

You really think Kobe didn't care about scoring? All he cared about was winning? Is that why he ran Shaq out of town? All he cared about his how he was viewed. Sometimes winning was important to help that perception, but when winning wasn't happening, all he cared about was scoring enough to provide some BS evidence that he was doing his part.

Who's shitty alt is this?

Not enough of a man to post that response on your actual account?

[HOoopCityJones]

Because he cared more about not being 2 for 7 in the Finals.

[DingDengDong]

Who's shitty alt is this?

Not enough of a man to post that response on your actual account?
So you have no argument so you come at me as a poster. Ok, just checking.

[riseagainst]

:roll: :roll:

You really think Kobe didn't care about scoring? All he cared about was winning? Is that why he ran Shaq out of town? All he cared about his how he was viewed. Sometimes winning was important to help that perception, but when winning wasn't happening, all he cared about was scoring enough to provide some BS evidence that he was doing his part.


you actually just supported what he said....

[BedroomBully]

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I have always wondered this as well. The guy shot the most FGs almost every season he played!! How in the hell did he not lead the league in points every season like MJ and??? Can a Kobe stan please explain?

[BedroomBully]

More like you dont know shit
Then explain! How is it that he only got 2 scoring titles in 20 F@@kn years????

[ImKobe]

So you have no argument so you come at me as a poster. Ok, just checking.

ran Shaq out of town - the owner of the team decided not to give past-prime Shaq the 30 mil/yr he was demanding and traded him for Lamar Odom and peanuts :oldlol:

all he cared about was scoring - leads all shooting guards in assists all-time, led all 5 of the championship teams he was on in assists, only twice in scoring

when winning wasn't happening - what does that even mean? He played to the best of his abilities with the rosters he was given, the 05-07 Lakers had no legitimate scorers on the team for him to pass the ball to, he averaged 35 ppg and needed nights like the 81 point game against the Raptors or 65 against Portland in OT just for his teams to win close games, his team had the chance to beat the 2 seed in the Playoffs in 2006 at home to close out the series and what happened? He had 50/8/5/3 on 66%TS and they lost the game in OT after his teammates gave up two wide open threes due to bad defense (Steve Nash misses wide open corner 3, they fail to rebound the ball to win the game, Kwame Brown gets pump faked by Tim Thomas for the game-tying 3-pointer).

Game 7 Kobe doesn't care about scoring and tries to get his teammates the ball and focus more on getting everyone involved so they'd play better defense - he scores an efficient 24 points on 50% shooting and gets crucified for only shooting the ball 16 times, they get blown out by 31 points

But no one had a problem when Kobe used the same formula to win 3 straight games in the series, when he only took 18 shots and averaged 23 points in those games.

There you have it. Now piss off.

[MEB2kDeez]

Then explain! How is it that he only got 2 scoring titles in 20 F@@kn years????
Why does it matter?

Why are haters concerned with it? Seriously

[ImKobe]

Then explain! How is it that he only got 2 scoring titles in 20 F@@kn years????


came into the league age 17, played with Shaq until 25

won 2 out of 3 scoring titles from 05-07, was focused on winning actual championships and coasted in the regular season ppg-wise from 08-11, 2012 he had the chance to play in a meaningless regular season game (against the Kings IIRC) to get the title but didn't even suit up and decided to rest for the Playoffs.

[DingDengDong]

you actually just supported what he said....
He said he only cared about winning and did not care about scoring. I said he only cared about how he was perceived, his legacy if you will. This meant at times caring about winning, and at times caring about scoring. I'm sorry if you can't see the difference.

[Cold soul]

2012 I think he needed like 35 points in a meaningless game to win the scoring title over KD but sat the game out to save himself for the Playoffs.

Yup good memory I almost forgot about that.

[DingDengDong]

ran Shaq out of town - the owner of the team decided not to give past-prime Shaq the 30 mil/yr he was demanding and traded him for Lamar Odom and peanuts :oldlol:

all he cared about was scoring - leads all shooting guards in assists all-time, led all 5 of the championship teams he was on in assists, only twice in scoring

when winning wasn't happening - what does that even mean? He played to the best of his abilities with the rosters he was given, the 05-07 Lakers had no legitimate scorers on the team for him to pass the ball to, he averaged 35 ppg and needed nights like the 81 point game against the Raptors or 65 against Portland in OT just for his teams to win close games, his team had the chance to beat the 2 seed in the Playoffs in 2006 at home to close out the series and what happened? He had 50/8/5/3 on 66%TS and they lost the game in OT after his teammates gave up two wide open threes due to bad defense (Steve Nash misses wide open corner 3, they fail to rebound the ball to win the game, Kwame Brown gets pump faked by Tim Thomas for the game-tying 3-pointer).

Game 7 Kobe doesn't care about scoring and tries to get his teammates the ball and focus more on getting everyone involved so they'd play better defense - he scores an efficient 24 points on 50% shooting and gets crucified for only shooting the ball 16 times, they get blown out by 31 points

But no one had a problem when Kobe used the same formula to win 3 straight games in the series, when he only took 18 shots and averaged 23 points in those games.

There you have it. Now piss off.
None of that negates that he chucked to get his. I'm not saying it was constant, but he clearly cared about scoring.

[Cold soul]

Kobe has great scorers in his era guys like T-Mac, Iverson, Durant, even Lebron to certain extent. Kobe sharing court with Shaq for 8 years hurt his scoring numbers and winning more scoring titles but who cares.

[MEB2kDeez]

He said he only cared about winning and did not care about scoring. I said he only cared about how he was perceived, his legacy if you will. This meant at times caring about winning, and at times caring about scoring. I'm sorry if you can't see the difference.
I'm pretty sure all athletes are concerned with how their legacy is looked at :facepalm

[ImKobe]

None of that negates that he chucked to get his. I'm not saying it was constant, but he clearly cared about scoring.

He cared more about winning, but his greatest gift to the game was his scoring ability. When his teams didn't have the ability to compete for championships (see: 05-07, 14-16 Lakers), he chucked away without a caring about his efficiency or how it would impact the game. His last career game is a clear example of it. You knew the team had no chance in hell to compete with the top teams in the league but you still tuned in to watch Kobe go for 60.

When it was needed from him to pass, he did that, he was the main playmaker for all of the championship teams he played on and was always top 5 in assists among shooting guards.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Got to love how only two days after the NBA's only unanimous MVP was voted on the main topic on ISH is about a retired Kobe Bryant

:roll: :roll:

[Dr Seuss]

Got to love how only two days after the NBA's only unanimous MVP was voted on the main topic on ISH is about a retired Kobe Bryant

:roll: :roll:

basically, its leStans admitting that curry surpassed their god, so they revert back to kobe topics in order to try (but painfully fail) to brighten up their days

[Cold soul]

Got to love how only two days after the NBA's only unanimous MVP was voted on the main topic on ISH is about a retired Kobe Bryant

:roll: :roll:

Kobe is most polarizing athlete I have ever seen he is loved my many hated by more.

[riseagainst]

basically, its leStans admitting that curry surpassed their god, so they revert back to kobe topics in order to try (but painfully fail) to brighten up their days


:lol

[Cold soul]

basically, its leStans admitting that curry surpassed their god, so they revert back to kobe topics in order to try (but painfully fail) to brighten up their days

That's pretty damn sad and pathetic they need a life, badly.

[Levity]

basically, its leStans admitting that curry surpassed their god, so they revert back to kobe topics in order to try (but painfully fail) to brighten up their days

:lol sounds about right

its like 2 kids had an argument "my dad is stronger than your dad" and eventually one of the kids concede to that fact, so they retaliate by saying, "ok.. well my dad is stronger than your grandpa"

:lol "umm... ok?"

[Dragonyeuw]

Rape case killed his swag. Would've won the scoring title in 03-04 had it not been for the rape trial. He averaged 30.0 ppg the year before.

Payton and Malone weren't on the team in 03 when he put up 30. So no.

[sportjames23]

:lol sounds about right

its like 2 kids had an argument "my dad is stronger than your dad" and eventually one of the kids concede to that fact, so they retaliate by saying, "ok.. well my dad is stronger than your grandpa"

:lol "umm... ok?"

:oldlol:

[stalkerforlife]

:lol sounds about right

its like 2 kids had an argument "my dad is stronger than your dad" and eventually one of the kids concede to that fact, so they retaliate by saying, "ok.. well my dad is stronger than your grandpa"

:lol "umm... ok?"

:roll:

[aj1987]

ran Shaq out of town - the owner of the team decided not to give past-prime Shaq the 30 mil/yr he was demanding and traded him for Lamar Odom and peanuts
Could've literally won 3 more from '05-'07 if they kept him.


all he cared about was scoring - leads all shooting guards in assists all-time, led all 5 of the championship teams he was on in assists, only twice in scoring
AI/Wade/Drexler/West/MJ could've lead all SG's, if they played as many games as Kobe. Totals =/= willingness to pass or passing ability. Go by APG and then compare. Kobe is 134th all-time in APG.


Game 7 Kobe doesn't care about scoring and tries to get his teammates the ball and focus more on getting everyone involved so they'd play better defense - he scores an efficient 24 points on 50% shooting and gets crucified for only shooting the ball 16 times, they get blown out by 31 points
G5? What about in G6, when everyone except Smush or Walton (do not remember) played like shit? I remember Kobe bricking a long range shot after Tim's 3. Kobe was amazing in OT though, IIRC. G4 is still one of my favorite Kobe games of all time.

EDIT: Just looked it up. Kobe had 1 assist in G7. If LeBron quit on the Cavs in '10 scoring 27/19/10/3/1, then what did Kobe do.


But no one had a problem when Kobe used the same formula to win 3 straight games in the series, when he only took 18 shots and averaged 23 points in those games.
Better defense, better Asst/TO ratio, etc.