At least 45% of Westbrook's "drives" in 2016 used a screen (nba.com data)

[3ball]

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NBA.com breaks down ever player's shot attempts by "play type" - here's a breakdown of Westbrook's fga's by play type:


Ballhandler in screen roll (http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#!/playtype/ball-handler/?sort=FGA&dir=1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Totals): 502 fga

Transition (http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#!/playtype/transition/?sort=FGA&dir=1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Totals): 317 fga

isolations (http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#!/playtype/isolation/?sort=FGA&dir=1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Totals): 206

Post-up (http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#!/playtype/post-up/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Totals&sort=FGA&dir=1): 137

Spot-up (http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#!/playtype/spot-up/?sort=FGA&dir=1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Totals): 116

Putbacks (http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#!/playtype/putbacks/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Totals): 49

hand-off (http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#!/playtype/hand-off/?sort=FGA&dir=1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Totals): 38

Miscellaneous (http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#!/playtype/misc/?sort=FGA&dir=1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Totals): 30

Cut (http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#!/playtype/cut/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Totals&sort=FGA&dir=1): 27

Off-screen (http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#!/playtype/off-screen/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Totals&sort=FGA&dir=1): 18

Roll man on screen-roll (http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#!/playtype/roll-man/?sort=FGA&dir=1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Totals): 4
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1444 total fga


In addition to the fga breakdown by "play type" shown above, NBA.com also has separate "player tracking" stats that track a player's movement - one of the categories in the "player tracking" stats is DRIVES (http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/drives/?sort=DRIVE_FGA&dir=1), defined as dribbling from outside 20 feet to inside 10 feet.

The data shows that Westbrook took 376 fga's from drives.. Now here's the rub - the only categories in the fga breakdown above that could possibly include drives are "ballhandler on screen roll" and "isolations".. So what proportion of the 376 drives fall in the "ballhandler on screen roll" category - essentially, how many of the 376 drives uses a screen??

Let's conservatively assume that 100% of Westbrook's 206 isolations were drives that DIDN'T use a screen - when we subtract the 206 from the 376 total drives, that leaves 173 drives (45%), that used a screen.. And we KNOW that Westbrook pulls up for a lot of jumpers, so probably half of his isolations weren't drives, which would increase that 45% number much higher.

So there - we've just proven that today's best penetrator uses a screen for at least 45% of his drives, and obviously much more than that.. And we know WHY today's player uses a screen so much - it's because screen-roll/drive-and-kick is the primary option for today's teams, since that's the most effective method of generating the most 3-point looks.

[bigkingsfan]

Players today have much higher IQ

[3ball]

Players today have much higher IQ
What specifically would make you say that.

Scoring and passing (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12348012&postcount=4) is easier WITH spacing than without - this is basketball 101.

Otoh, when defenders are bunched together and in closer proximity, there is less room (spacing) to operate, which requires higher IQ.

Btw, Westbrook is one of the dumbest players of all time, yet he crushes today's game - he's a case in point - he benefits from today's spacing as much as anyone.. No need for smart play - he can just attack the open lane and open spacing every time without really thinking much.
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[warriorfan]

Ive seen enough, Westbrook is a mini-lebron and this is not a good thing.

[navy]

Westbrook > Jordan

[imdaman99]

There's no shame in getting your teammate involved by making him set a pick for you :lol

[3ball]

Westbrook > Jordan



I know you're joking, but I'll play along - show me where Westbrook blows by guys like this WITHOUT a screen, and going left:


https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7qDMAFNRx6SGO5zy/giphy.gif

[navy]

I know you're joking, but I'll play along - show me where Westbrook blows by guys like this WITHOUT a screen, and going left:


https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7qDMAFNRx6SGO5zy/giphy.gif
Not a good exampple because the defender clearly guessed wrong cause he thought the screen was coming

[3ball]

Jordan got 3 times as many dunks as Westbrook, in an era where there were less dunks-per-shot.
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[3ball]

Not a good exampple because the defender clearly guessed wrong cause he thought the screen was coming


Actually, Jordan's jab step caused him to jump the opposite direction - he doesn't even see the screen

Regardless, Westbrook can't do that - he'd need to be about 5-7 more inches taller, given his inferior vertical (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=405123).. :confusedshrug:

[bigkingsfan]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI9f1qOsOsE

[AirBonner]

His poverty-stricken vertical is the only thing holding him back. He should get Sarah McLachlan to do a commercial so we can fund and help it .

[3ball]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI9f1qOsOsE

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:kobe: .. standard play for Jordan.. He'd rarely yell after a play like that.

And in his era, there was never a wide open paint with zero rim protection like that play - but MJ still did what he wanted (https://media.giphy.com/media/12co4cbhKDgO9q/giphy.gif), pretty much whenever he wanted (https://media.giphy.com/media/aFOjYAHBVJ8zu/giphy.gif).. Also, it's statistical fact that Jordan got literally 3 times as many dunks each seaosn than Westbrook, as this thread shows:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=406084


Btw, Westbrook would be much more effective if scored the way he did in your video more often - from a pre-dribble, stationary position (triple threat position (https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-08-2015/utCEqB.gif)), rather than his current style, which is 35% screen roll and the 2nd highest time of possession in the league.

His high time of possession/ball-domination stalls the offense and results in an inferior brand of basketball that can't succeed at the highest levels.
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[inclinerator]

at least 65 percent of jordan's drives during his 2 3 peat used a screen (nba.com data)

[imdaman99]

show me where Westbrook blows by guys like this WITHOUT a screen, and going left:


http://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/assets/4532281/russdunk.gif

I don't know if you know this, but Kawhi is a top flight defender.

[3ball]

at least 65 percent of jordan's drives during his 2 3 peat used a screen (nba.com data)


the play categories listed on the left in the OP are LINKED to nba.com

otoh, we don't have that data for Jordan..

But everyone knows that when Jordan was off-ball, he scored quicker (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_Qe_u8VPi8&t=2m00s) and with more versatility (https://media.giphy.com/media/sMEYKXY5vSezK/giphy.gif) than anyone in history.. His goat off-ball ability was the foundation of his game
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[bigkingsfan]

"show me where Westbrook blows by guys like this WITHOUT a screen, and going left:"

Keep editing, you lost. :banana:

[3ball]

"show me where Westbrook blows by guys like this WITHOUT a screen, and going left:"

Keep editing, you lost. :banana:


Again - standard play for Jordan - he got 3 times as many dunks as Westbrook in an era when shots-per-dunks was lower league-wide - someone did a thread on it here:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=406084
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[bigkingsfan]

One is a PG, might as well compare Deandre vs MJ

[3ball]

http://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/assets/4532281/russdunk.gif


And Kawhi is a good defender




It's no surprise that Jordan dunks on 3 times as many players:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-08-2015/lFE09a.gif



Since he was 3 inches taller and got 3 times as many dunks (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=406084).

[bigkingsfan]

How many 6ft and under 80's-90's dunkers anywhere close to WB. Just three inches. :whatever:

[90sgoat]

How many 6ft and under 80's-90's dunkers anywhere close to WB. Just three inches. :whatever:

6ft and under? Westbrook is 6'3''?

There were plenty of short dunkers, Dee Brown, John Starks, Spudd Webb, Kevin Johnson, just off the top of my head.

[sd3035]

Ordan didn't need screens because nobody played defense back then

[AirBonner]

Ordan didn't need screens because nobody played defense back then
This. They just pack the paint and you go bulldozing in.

[bigkingsfan]

6ft and under? Westbrook is 6'3''?

There were plenty of short dunkers, Dee Brown, John Starks, Spudd Webb, Kevin Johnson, just off the top of my head.
In game dunkers. None of those guys comes to sniffing WB totals.