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Dray n Klay
04-25-2016, 01:16 AM
Including this one




Is that GOAT production??



Meanwhile Duncan has led his team in scoring in less than half of his playoff series, and Kobe did it less than 5 times in his first 8 seasons

:biggums:

Poetry
04-25-2016, 02:08 AM
Including this one




Is that GOAT production??

http://images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com/image/gif/54a25da669cb9503890680402b185a2aabc1bc2.gif

Prime_Shaq
04-25-2016, 02:13 AM
Will this Warriors-Rockets series be Curry's first?

Poetry
04-25-2016, 02:24 AM
Will this Warriors-Rockets series be Curry's first?

Looks like it.

3ball
04-25-2016, 02:42 AM
Is that GOAT production??


:whatever: ... OP's ignorance is unbelievable - you should be embarrassed to make this thread.

Jordan is the only all-time great to lead his team in scoring for every playoff series of his career - and he led his team by at least 10 ppg for every series!

Let that sink in - no all-time great led their team in scoring for every playoff series of their careers, EXCEPT Jordan, who did it by 10 ppg!!

Actually, Jordan had two series where he led his team by 5 ppg and 7 ppg, but every other series was by 10 ppg or more... This is a great demonstration of the entirely different DIMENSION that Jordan was in compared to everyone else.. No one else is close

Dray n Klay
04-25-2016, 02:47 AM
:whatever: ... OP's ignorance is unbelievable - you should be embarrassed to make this thread.

Jordan is the only all-time great to lead his team in scoring for every playoff series of his career - and he led his team by at least 10 ppg for every series!

Let that sink in - no all-time great led their team in scoring for every playoff series of their careers, EXCEPT Jordan, who did it by 10 ppg!!

Actually, Jordan had two series where he led his team by 5 ppg and 7 ppg, but every other series was by 10 ppg or more... This is a great demonstration of the entirely different DIMENSION that Jordan was in compared to everyone else.. No one else is close

Pippen outscored Jordan during an entire playoff run in 1994, your argument is invalid

RedBlackAttack
04-25-2016, 02:50 AM
You sure it was three? To my understanding, it has only happened twice... the first time was Dwyane Wade averaging 26.5 points against the Mavs in 2011 to LeBron's 17.8 points.

The second time was this Pistons series, where Kyrie averaged 27.5 points and LeBron averaged 22.8.


So, not only is Kyrie one of two teammates to ever lead a team LBJ was on in scoring in the playoffs, he had the highest scoring series a teammate of LBJ has ever had... and it is the first time it has happened where his team actually won the series.

Dray n Klay
04-25-2016, 02:51 AM
You sure it was three? To my understanding, it has only happened twice... the first time was Dwyane Wade averaging 26.5 points against the Mavs in 2011 to LeBron's 17.8 points.

The second time was this Pistons series, where Kyrie averaged 27.5 points and LeBron averaged 22.8.


So, not only is Kyrie one of two teammates to ever lead a team LBJ was on in scoring in the playoffs, he had the highest scoring series a teammate of LBJ has ever had... and it is the first time it has happened where the team actually won the series.

I think Wade outscored Bron in 2011 in the 1st round against the Celtics or 76ers, not 100% sure though

3ball
04-25-2016, 02:53 AM
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Imagine if your favorite player scored 5-7 more ppg in the playoffs on better efficiency across the board - that's what MJ did in comparison to Lebron:


Career Playoffs - PER GAME:

JORDAN: 33.4 ppg.. 1.7 oreb.. 4.7 dreb.. 5.7 apg.. 3.1 tov.. 2.1 spg.. 0.9 blk.. 48.7 fg.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg
LEBRON: 28.2 ppg.. 1.5 oreb.. 7.2 dreb.. 6.7 apg.. 3.5 tov.. 1.7 spg.. 0.9 blk.. 47.3 fg.. 56.5 ts.. 114 ORtg


Career Playoffs - PER 100 POSSESSIONS:

JORDAN:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 48.7 fg.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg
LEBRON:. 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 47.3 fg.. 56.5 ts.. 114 ORtg


Career Finals - PER GAME:

JORDAN: 33.6 ppg.. 6.0 rpg.. 6.0 apg.. 2.8 tov.. 1.8 spg.. 0.65 bpg.. 48.1 fg
LEBRON: 26.4 ppg.. 9.6 rpg.. 6.9 apg.. 4.0 tov.. 1.8 spg.. 0.54 bpg.. 44.6 fg


There's never been a number 1 option that scored 5-7 more ppg on better efficiency that wasn't considered the FAR better player.

Jordan's massive scoring edge on superior efficiency is far more valuable than Lebron's 1.0 assist edge (with more turnovers) and 2.5 def rebound edge (MJ had more offensive rebounds).

Lebron's assist edge is particularly meaningless considering he achieves his assists by lowering his TEAMMATES' assists and playmaking, as the stats show (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11709473&postcount=1).

Furthermore, Jordan scored 10 more ppg than his 2nd option for every playoff series of his career AND led the team in passing (MJ led the Bulls in assist percentage for both 3-peats (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713121&postcount=49))... Lebron was never required to do that - he has several series where he wasn't even the team's leading scorer.
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RedBlackAttack
04-25-2016, 02:56 AM
I think Wade outscored Bron in 2011 in the 1st round against the Celtics or 76ers, not 100% sure though
You're right. Wade averaged 30.2 points against Boston to LBJ's 28.0 points. So, only two guys have ever done it, but it has happened three times.

LeBron outscored Wade against the Sixers that year 24.2-22.2 and against Chicago 25.8-18.8. I don't believe it ever happened again after Dallas.

Poetry
04-25-2016, 02:56 AM
I think Wade outscored Bron in 2011 in the 1st round against the Celtics or 76ers, not 100% sure though

Yeah, it was against the Celtics.

3ball
04-25-2016, 02:57 AM
Wade outscored Lebron for the entire 2011 Playoffs:


2011 Playoffs

WADE:4. 24.5 ppg on 48.5%
LEBRON: 23.7 ppg on 47.0%

Gileraracer
04-25-2016, 04:26 AM
Lebron only had 2 finals series where he won while he lost 4.

Ist that WOAT production???

VengefulAngel
04-25-2016, 05:02 AM
Lebron only had 2 finals series where he won while he lost 4.

Ist that WOAT production???

Winning 2 finals is now only?

SexSymbol
04-25-2016, 05:10 AM
Winning 2 finals is now only?
in a sense that he had to lose 4 to have those 2 wins?
Absolutely.

Doranku
04-25-2016, 07:07 AM
You're right. Wade averaged 30.2 points against Boston to LBJ's 28.0 points. So, only two guys have ever done it, but it has happened three times.

LeBron outscored Wade against the Sixers that year 24.2-22.2 and against Chicago 25.8-18.8. I don't believe it ever happened again after Dallas.

Well, Bosh also did it in that 2011 Mavericks series. :lol

Real14
04-25-2016, 07:14 AM
http://images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com/image/gif/54a25da669cb9503890680402b185a2aabc1bc2.gif
:roll:

sportjames23
04-25-2016, 07:19 AM
http://images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com/image/gif/54a25da669cb9503890680402b185a2aabc1bc2.gif

:roll: :roll: :roll:

jlip
04-25-2016, 08:59 AM
Only in troll situations such as on ISH and in the mind of certain myopic fans who view individual scoring as the only way to lead or demonstrate who the best player is, is it considered bad when you actually play within your team's offense, allowing your teammates to flourish when they have the hot hand. Prime Magic and Bird were outscored by teammates in multiple playoff series and still considered the best players on their teams.