This site is funny.If melo was drafted by Det he would be known as a career winner

[You Cant Ban Me]

Now he is a selfish me 1st player who never wins even though he won championships at every level he's played at.Man people are funny...All because he was drafted by nuggets. Anytime you give this dude an above average pg his team has a great season.

Anthony Carter,Jose Calderon, and Raymond Felton has been his pgs for the majority of his career.Just let that sink in

[Kblaze8855]

If you dont win in the NBA you arent a winner on every level. You are a winner at the levels that you dont need to be especially great to win. Corliss Williamson actually won on every level....including the NBA. Anyone care?

[IllegalD]

Now he is a selfish me 1st player who never wins even though he won championships at every level he's played at.Man people are funny...All because he was drafted by nuggets. Anytime you give this dude an above average pg his team has a great season.

Anthony Carter,Jose Calderon, and Raymond Felton has been his pgs for the majority of his career.Just let that sink in

What's wrong with getting drafted by the Nuggets? They actually put him in position to contend for championships, but he just happen to run into superior teams/players. No shame in that. He got paired up with MVPs Iverson and then Billups. He had good supporting casts in Denver and a good coach.

He traded all that in to go to the Knicks. And he did it in a way that made them lose assets to get him (instead of waiting for the summer and signing as a free agent).

Then he had ample opportunity to go to a contender like the Bulls or to team up with Harden/Howard on the Rockets to form a Big 3.

If he ends his career ringless he has only himself to blame.

[buddha]

lol.. PG's are worthless.

[MellowYellow]

What's wrong with getting drafted by the Nuggets? They actually put him in position to contend for championships, but he just happen to run into superior teams/players. No shame in that. He got paired up with MVPs Iverson and then Billups. He had good supporting casts in Denver and a good coach.

He traded all that in to go to the Knicks. And he did it in a way that made them lose assets to get him (instead of waiting for the summer and signing as a free agent).

Then he had ample opportunity to go to a contender like the Bulls or to team up with Harden/Howard on the Rockets to form a Big 3.

If he ends his career ringless he has only himself to blame.
None of those nuggets teams were good enough to win a ship and they probably never would have put enough around him to win a ship. And nobody that's courted him when he was an fa would be enough to beat spurs or warriors. Melo made the right choice. There is no guarantee anywhere else so stay in the city you love.

[Horde of Temujin]

It is not as if Larry Brown wouldve played him anyways. That prick wouldve had Melo riding the bench as they won their chip.

[kurple]

Now he is a selfish me 1st player who never wins even though he won championships at every level he's played at.Man people are funny...All because he was drafted by nuggets. Anytime you give this dude an above average pg his team has a great season.

Anthony Carter,Jose Calderon, and Raymond Felton has been his pgs for the majority of his career.Just let that sink in
did you leave out Billups on purpose`?

melo had a perfect situation with a great team in Denver that was a couple inboundplays away from the Finals

the season after the nuggets went 23-2 with their starters healthy before Karl got cancer again and Dantley was exposed as clueless


but Melo would rather give LaLa her reality show and play with Amare in NY. hence the looser mentality

[IllegalD]

None of those nuggets teams were good enough to win a ship and they probably never would have put enough around him to win a ship. And nobody that's courted him when he was an fa would be enough to beat spurs or warriors. Melo made the right choice. There is no guarantee anywhere else so stay in the city you love.


:wtf: :facepalm

But it's obvious to anyone that his chances of winning, or at the very least playing meaningful playoff games would've been improved had he went to either of those teams.

:roll: you trying to justify his money-first, loser mentality 'cause "there's no guarantees". In the first half of your post you say that his help in Denver wasn't good enough, then when options he had with help are presented you brush them off 'cause "there's no guarantee".

Logic fail. :lol

[kurple]

None of those nuggets teams were good enough to win a ship and they probably never would have put enough around him to win a ship. And nobody that's courted him when he was an fa would be enough to beat spurs or warriors. Melo made the right choice. There is no guarantee anywhere else so stay in the city you love.
Billups - Carter
Jones - Smith
Melo - Kleiza
Kenyon - Birdman
Nene - Birdman

he reached the WCF with that squad. and this is the squad he left (im adding faried too because the melo trade didtn influence the nuggets record and they added faried with their own pick the following draft)

Billups - Lawson
Afflalo - JR.Smith
Melo - JR - Harrington
Kenyon - Faried - Harrington
Nene - Birdman

that team played like the best team in the world before Karl got cancer again

[IllegalD]

Now he is a selfish me 1st player who never wins even though he won championships at every level he's played at.Man people are funny...All because he was drafted by nuggets. Anytime you give this dude an above average pg his team has a great season.

Anthony Carter,Jose Calderon, and Raymond Felton has been his pgs for the majority of his career.Just let that sink in

Kobe won 5 rings with Derek Fisher at PG.

MJ won his first 3 with B.J. Armstrong at PG.

LeBron won 2 with Mario Chalmers at PG.

Wade won 1 with a past his prime Jason Williams at PG.

Duncan won his first one with Avery Johnson at PG.

Hakeem won with Kenny Smith at PG

Let that sink in.

Funny how you conveniently left out Billups who was the Finals MVP and clutch go-to-guy in that very Detroit team that you say Melo would've won with. :lol

[MellowYellow]

did you leave out Billups on purpose`?

melo had a perfect situation with a great team in Denver that was a couple inboundplays away from the Finals

the season after the nuggets went 23-2 with their starters healthy before Karl got cancer again and Dantley was exposed as clueless


but Melo would rather give LaLa her reality show and play with Amare in NY. hence the looser mentality

Get off it man, billups isn't all that special he is basically poor man's kyle lowry. And he did nothing after his denver days due to injury/age. Lawson was nice for a couple years, but we see what's happened to him. Career pretty much over at 28.

[kurple]

well billups has led his team to an NBA ring, while Lawson led the Nuggets to a franchise record in wins (57)

what have Melo done? other than constantly underpreforing

[MellowYellow]

well billups has led his team to an NBA ring, while Lawson led the Nuggets to a franchise record in wins (57)

what have Melo done? other than constantly underpreforing

billups didn't lead anything, that team was built as a team that worked as a solid unit without relying on any one person to carry the load. Nobody in the lineup was most important.

The 12-13 nuggets were more stacked than the 2008-09 nuggets and they got bounced in the first round, Melo got to the wcf. And took his way less talented Knicks to 54 wins and the 2nd round.

[Overdrive]

None of those nuggets teams were good enough to win a ship and they probably never would have put enough around him to win a ship. And nobody that's courted him when he was an fa would be enough to beat spurs or warriors. Melo made the right choice. There is no guarantee anywhere else so stay in the city you love.

It's cool to play in the city he loves, but he gutted the Knicks roster for 3 extra months with them. He could've been there by summer and would've had an awesome team, but he decided to get there ASAP and the Nuggets robbed the Knicks. The Nuggets stayed winning and the Knicks started losing. Amare went from 20+PPG to shit in no time.

[MellowYellow]

:wtf: :facepalm

But it's obvious to anyone that his chances of winning, or at the very least playing meaningful playoff games would've been improved had he went to either of those teams.

:roll: you trying to justify his money-first, loser mentality 'cause "there's no guarantees". In the first half of your post you say that his help in Denver wasn't good enough, then when options he had with help are presented you brush them off 'cause "there's no guarantee".

Logic fail. :lol

What were those options though, please enlighten me. Would Melo and the Bulls minus Pau have gotten past the Cavs last year with Noah putting up the performances he did. That whole damn squad is an injury waiting to happen. The Rockets are too dysfunctional. The Mavs are too old. The Lakers have Kobe Bryant.

[MellowYellow]

It's cool to play in the city he loves, but he gutted the Knicks roster for 3 extra months with them. He could've been there by summer and would've had an awesome team, but he decided to get there ASAP and the Nuggets robbed the Knicks. The Nuggets stayed winning and the Knicks started losing. Amare went from 20+PPG to shit in no time.
I think it would have worked out if Amare and Billups didn't fall off like they did. How was he supposed to predict that happening though.

[kurple]

What were those options though, please enlighten me. Would Melo and the Bulls minus Pau have gotten past the Cavs last year with Noah putting up the performances he did. That whole damn squad is an injury waiting to happen. The Rockets are too dysfunctional. The Mavs are too old. The Lakers have Kobe Bryant.
literallly all the teams you mentioned would have a better chance than the knicks

[kurple]

I think it would have worked out if Amare and Billups didn't fall off like they did. How was he supposed to predict that happening though.
:yaohappy: :yaohappy:

[MellowYellow]

literallly all the teams you mentioned would have a better chance than the knicks
The Lakers wouldn't, and the rest while they have made a deep run would have no shot against the Spurs or Warriors.

[IllegalD]

The Lakers wouldn't, and the rest while they have made a deep run would have no shot against the Spurs or Warriors.

So it seems like what you're saying is that Melo isn't good enough to win a ring, no matter what his help.

He couldn't win it with a perennial HOF teammate in Iverson. He couldn't win with a Finals MVP in Billups.

Melo/Harden/Howard wouldn't be enough to win it (according to you).

Basically the only scenario OP could come up with where Melo would win was if he got drafted to a championship team that didn't even need his contributions to win it in the first place. Sounds about right. :roll:

[Akhenaten]

So it seems like what you're saying is that Melo isn't good enough to win a ring, no matter what his help.

He couldn't win it with a perennial HOF teammate in Iverson. He couldn't win with a Finals MVP in Billups.

Melo/Harden/Howard wouldn't be enough to win it (according to you).

Basically the only scenario OP could come up with where Melo would win was if he got drafted to a championship team that didn't even need his contributions to win it in the first place. Sounds about right. :roll:

:roll:

Dude is completely oblivious that he is making the detractors' argument for them.

[FreezingTsmoove]

Detroit would have lost if Melo was drafted by them

[MellowYellow]

So it seems like what you're saying is that Melo isn't good enough to win a ring, no matter what his help.

He couldn't win it with a perennial HOF teammate in Iverson. He couldn't win with a Finals MVP in Billups.

Melo/Harden/Howard wouldn't be enough to win it (according to you).

Basically the only scenario OP could come up with where Melo would win was if he got drafted to a championship team that didn't even need his contributions to win it in the first place. Sounds about right. :roll:

No, I am saying no single player going to any of those teams would win the ship cause those teams don't have good enough players. Melo, Howard, Harden is not a mix that would work out. Neither would Lebron, Howard, Harden. Kawai, Harden, Howard might be ok but wouldn't beat the warriors.

[LakersForlife]

Now he is a selfish me 1st player who never wins even though he won championships at every level he's played at.Man people are funny...All because he was drafted by nuggets. Anytime you give this dude an above average pg his team has a great season.

Anthony Carter,Jose Calderon, and Raymond Felton has been his pgs for the majority of his career.Just let that sink in
he had AI. AI was declining that time though

[IllegalD]

he had AI. AI was declining that time though

Iverson put up 25, 7 and 3 with 2 steals on 45% FG his first season in Denver.

He put up 26, 7 and 3 with 2 steals on 46% FG his 2nd season.

If you can't win a championship or even make it to the Finals with that as your second option, then you're probably not that great.

[HurricaneKid]

Iverson put up 25, 7 and 3 with 2 steals on 45% FG his first season in Denver.

He put up 26, 7 and 3 with 2 steals on 46% FG his 2nd season.

If you can't win a championship or even make it to the Finals with that as your second option, then you're probably not that great.

Finals?!?

They didn't win a single playoff series either of those two years.

[Zach LaVine]

It is not as if Larry Brown wouldve played him anyways. That prick wouldve had Melo riding the bench as they won their chip.
This. Melo would have won once with the Pistons from the bench, had his development reduced, eventually left the team and had a worse individual career, would not have won a championship as a starter, and nobody would care as much about him as they do today.

[IllegalD]

Finals?!?

They didn't win a single playoff series either of those two years.


My point exactly...? :confusedshrug:

So we can conclude that Melo just isn't that great of a player.

[MellowYellow]

My point exactly...? :confusedshrug:

So we can conclude that Melo just isn't that great of a player.
You say that like they didn't lose to the eventual champions in that series against the spurs. But they won a game, while the cavs got swept in the finals by that same team.

Melo in that series: 26.8/8.2/1.2 on 48/50/80
AI in that series: 22.8/0.6/5.8 on 37/29/80

And Melo was only 22, how is Melo/Ai supposed to beat Duncan/Parker/Gino in probably their best overall season of their career.

[Zach LaVine]

But they won a game, while the cavs got swept in the finals by that same team.
This is a very weak argument.

[MellowYellow]

This is a very weak argument.
How is it weak, basically shows that if those nuggets were in the east they WOULD have made it to the finals over the cavs. The West was just too super stacked back then.

[Zach LaVine]

How is it weak, basically shows that if those nuggets were in the east they WOULD have made it to the finals over the cavs. The West was just too super stacked back then.
Really? Because it is 1 game :roll:

[MellowYellow]

Really? Because it is 1 game :roll:
Youmadbro? :confusedshrug:

[Overdrive]

I think it would have worked out if Amare and Billups didn't fall off like they did. How was he supposed to predict that happening though.

Amare rapidly fell off within weeks of the trade. Him and Felton had a good PNR offense thing going on.

[MellowYellow]

Amare rapidly fell off within weeks of the trade. Him and Felton had a good PNR offense thing going on.
23 and 7 on 49% after melo trade 26 and 8 on 50% before, not much difference. It was the next year that he fell off due to injuries.