2016 All-Star break/Trade deadline

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Thought I'd start a new folder since there's some actual traffic in here these days.

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[QUOTE]As of right now, multiple sources familiar with the front office

[El Kabong]

I get the feeling it will be a very quiet trade period for the team. Outside of maybe getting involved as a 3rd party to help a deal get done I don't see much happening.

[Xiao Yao You]

I imagine they will stand pat but with their cap space and roster flexibility who knows.

I'd guess Erick Green will be signed for the rest of the year. He looks like he could be a bigger better cheaper version of Trey Burke.

[WayOfWade]

Like El Kabong said, I don't think the Jazz are going to go for any trades at the moment, and why should they? Things are looking up, we're almost all healthy (should be next week!) and trading might mess up what's going on. Also as Xiao has stated many times, this team doesn't want to spend, so I doubt they bring in anyone that might cost them some Benjamin's down the line. I've heard Jeff Teague talk, but I highly doubt the Jazz bite, Neto is doing a lot better as of late and we still need to see what happens with Exum next season.

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I think there is room for 3 pg's in the rotation because of Exum's size but the price sounds too high for Teague. I could see something happening for the right price but they'll probably just do something for assets for their cap space if anything at all.

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Conrad Burry: EXCLUSIVE: It appears the Jazz, Kings and Pistons will be receiving new primary logos for the 2016-17 season: (http://twitter.com/conradburry/status/698154708624474114) pic.twitter.com/hmL8WPltnC

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Conrad Burry: EXCLUSIVE: It appears the Jazz, Kings and Pistons will be receiving new primary logos for the 2016-17 season: (http://twitter.com/conradburry/status/698154708624474114) pic.twitter.com/hmL8WPltnC
I knew about the Jazz, they're just making the J-note their primary and maybe eliminating the mountains, although I doubt that. I did not however know about the Kings or Pistons. I think the pistons are fine with their logo, although the Kings could use a remake and ditch their current purple jerseys.

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I knew about the Jazz, they're just making the J-note their primary and maybe eliminating the mountains, although I doubt that. I did not however know about the Kings or Pistons. I think the pistons are fine with their logo, although the Kings could use a remake and ditch their current purple jerseys.
From what I read, nothing changes for the Jazz since we're already using the J-note on everything, so no new logos or uni's, but officially the Mountains is still the primary logo, and the league is making them change the J-note to the primary since they're using it for everything now.

Now whether they just move the mountains to the secondary, or create something new I'm not sure. Hopefully they just go back to the older logos that they used through 80's and early/mid 90's. Never should have changed them anyway.

[Xiao Yao You]

From what I read, nothing changes for the Jazz since we're already using the J-note on everything, so no new logos or uni's, but officially the Mountains is still the primary logo, and the league is making them change the J-note to the primary since they're using it for everything now.

Now whether they just move the mountains to the secondary, or create something new I'm not sure. Hopefully they just go back to the older logos that they used through 80's and early/mid 90's. Never should have changed them anyway.

Should have changed the name when they moved here.

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Jody Genessy: [URL="http://*********.com/social/"]Rodney Hood on his four basic two-handed slams:

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- Utah Jazz (8th place): Buyers. The Jazz would love to add a stable, veteran PG as they try to get back in the Playoffs.

I don't think they want one and aren't concerned about making the playoffs.

[QUOTE] That is the real hole on the roster. Trey Burke has played well as a backup, but the starting spot is the team

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http://saltcityhoops.com/jazz-streak-ends-in-new-orleans-thoughts-on-holidays-and-threes/


[QUOTE]Would the Pelicans trade Holiday? What would the Jazz have to give up? Who knows, but if I

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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zbrd457

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From Locke:


Dallas broadcast team called Neto feisty and compared him to JJ Barea

Neto is a better playmaker, shooter and defender.

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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865647745/The-best-5-trades-in-Utah-Jazz-history.html

[B][QUOTE]No. 5

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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865647748/Jody-Genessy-Some-All-Star-Weekend-memories.html

[QUOTE]En route to Canada, I chatted with an NBA ref with whom I crossed paths. First, he said how much he appreciates how the Jazz

[Xiao Yao You]

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865647708/On-the-cusp-Gordon-Hayward-playing-like-an-All-Star-even-if-hes-not-one-by-name.html

Despite all the hype he isn't the MVP of the team and if what Hood is doing is for real he might not even be their go to guy anymore. He's better all around but Hood isn't far behind the past month. Hood is 2 1/2 years younger with a lot less experience. I'd imagine he'll be selected to compete against the Dream Team this summer and probably be part of the next group for the Dream Team extended roster. Hayward isn't far from being their 4th best player. They may have to look into trading him. They can't afford all 4 maybe not even 3.

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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865647666/Utah-Jazz-smart-to-avoid-coaching-carousel.html

[QUOTE]Part of the team

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http://www.deseretnews.com/top/3592/5/Elijah-Millsap-The-Utah-Jazz-midseason-grades-and-awards.html


While his defense was still valuable at times, it's impossible to keep a guy on the roster if he is such a liability on one end of the floor.
Yet Exum is hyped at every turn despite being that player before his injury.


Pleiss has struggled at both ends of the floor during his rookie season.
I thought he looked good the couple of games where he got meaningful minutes


On the plus side, the Jazz won both games he played in.
Because they were blowouts! That's why he played :rolleyes:


Grade: B+
Withey with a higher grade than two guys he plays behind! Hard to argue with it either. He's certainly better than Lyles right now.


The NBA is a weird animal. Coaches get far too much love when a team is doing well and way too much blame when they struggle.
pretty much


The awards: Most valuable player

Gordon Hayward
He's been healthy so I can see it but I'd have to go Rudy still.


Most improved player

Rodney Hood
I expected this from Hood. Got to go Burke.


Very few people were even sure if Withey would earn a roster spot when he came to camp, but he proved that he is much more than a third center.
I expected him to be at least the 4th big with his experience and he's arguably #3 despite being benched so Lyles can develop. He's an NBA back-up possibly a starter for some teams.


He is one of the best shot blockers the Jazz have ever had
One of the best ever.


While no one expects him to be the regular starter once Exum returns
Neto should be the starter going into fall camp. Exum should be fighting for rotation minutes. with Burke, Johnson and Ingles though I'm sure like Lyles he will play regardless. Neto is better now than Exum was a year ago.

[Xiao Yao You]

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865647459/Utah-Jazz-Analyzing-3-trade-possibilities-as-the-NBA-trade-deadline-nears.html


Burks may be seen as a high price to pay for Teague (with both sides likely adding other minor pieces), who will be a free agent after next season, but shooting guard is an area of strength for the Jazz given the emergence of Rodney Hood this season.


Wouldn't call it an area of strength with Johnson and Ingles in the rotation. Too high of a price for possibly just a rental.


[QUOTE]In this case, Lindsey would be surrendering Utah

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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/3532756-155/kragthorpe-after-jazzs-five-year-struggle-what?page=2

[QUOTE]The Jazz invested a lot into the Boozer/Williams era, then couldn't follow through because the salary cap cost them players such as Wesley Matthews and Kyle Korver

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[QUOTE]The youth-laden Magic have made it known they are in the market for veterans as they continue to slide out of playoff contention. Sources say Orlando has been willing to discuss the prospect of moving some of its more familiar names, including former No. 2 overall pick Victor Oladipo and the recently re-signed Tobias Harris (http://espn.go.com/blog/marc-stein/post/_/id/4297/trade-chatter-is-kevin-love-untouchable).

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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hoplt6r

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The Knicks, who also strongly covet Teague in their search for a frontline point guard, are trying their best to get a team interested in Jose Calderon and the $7.7 million owed to the Spaniard next season. (http://espn.go.com/blog/marc-stein/post/_/id/4297/trade-chatter-is-kevin-love-untouchable) Sources say New York is talking up Calderon

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[QUOTE]The Bucks, sources say, are also turning aside the calls they

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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zh8mqbf

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[QUOTE]Sources say that the Cavs, though, have been more and more active in recent days in pursuing upgrades to their bench, with [URL="http://espn.go.com/blog/marc-stein/post/_/id/4297/trade-chatter-is-kevin-love-untouchable"]center Timofey Mozgov and swingman Iman Shumpert

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[QUOTE]The aforementioned McLemore, sources say, is working with the Kings to try to find a new home via trade. (http://espn.go.com/blog/marc-stein/post/_/id/4297/trade-chatter-is-kevin-love-untouchable) Sacramento made the same pledge to veteran swingman Caron Butler as far back as December.

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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gv97j8r

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[QUOTE]Adam Buys: Trade possibility on ESPN: Jrue/Cole from Pelicans, Burke/Burks/2nd rd pick from Jazz. Jrue could play w/ Exum.

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Jake Fischer: In advance of Thursday

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[QUOTE]Tony Jones: Utah Jazz in trade discussions regarding Trey Burke, The Salt Lake Tribune has learned.

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The Utah Jazz have had multiple discussions with teams about a trade involving guard Trey Burke (http://www.sltrib.com/home/3541380-155/utah-jazz-point-guard-trey-burke) ahead of Thursday

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http://www.slcdunk.com/nba-trades-and-deadline/2016/2/15/11003064/nba-trade-deadline-2016-utah-jazz-trevor-booker-trey-burke-alec-burks-joe-ingles


Dante Exum (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/246134/dante-exum), the starter from last season at point guard, has missed all of the 2015-2016 season so far, and will miss the remainder of the 2015-2016 season as well.


Can someone point me to where anyone with the Jazz has said he will miss the whole year? They've never said it.

(http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/246135/rodney-hood)

There are four bench players who have played over 500 minutes off the bench this season -- Trey Burke (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/198035/trey-burke), Trevor Booker, Joe Ingles (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/251424/joe-ingles), and Alec Burks. These players are the 1st point guard off the bench, the 1st big off the bench, and the 3rd and 4th wings on the team. These four guys are your best bench players and they have played the four most minutes.

Debatable as to if they are the best or not. Ingles has been in and out of the rotation


Furthermore, the team seems to do WELL with some guys on the floor, who just aren't playing. It's hard to overlook Jeff Withey here, as he actually leads the team in +/- and at least with the bigmen, he's more efficient than the guy getting minutes ahead of him. I don't know why this is, but we can guess in the comments section.

You really don't know why? It seems obvious to me that development comes before winning. I think the front office would rather be in the lottery. No other reason that their 3rd or 4th best big doesn't play unless they are forced to because of injuries. How many games has Lyles playing over Withey cost them this year? :rant


Burke as a bench scorer works at an average level. He's not great or good yet.

Last I heard he was like 3rd leading bench scorer in the league. How is that average? :confusedshrug:


Trey does impress. Let's start with the fact that he's shooting 4.3 three pointers a game and making 34.7% of them.

That isn't very good.


Trey is better than Jameer this year because of better stats, including a better three point percentage and attempts) for the point guards, I'll do so here, and place Booker in the 11th to 20th ranking for PF / Bigs. This tells me that the Jazz could upgrade this position easier than point guard. But that's just how I feel. Booker's role with the team, and his minutes, have been one of few constants this season. He has done amazing things. But I feel as though his on court performance has been lesser than the role he has been given.

He'd look a lot better if Withey was playing instead of Lyles. Hard to really compare Booker by using stats. His energy has been the difference in many games this year.


Joe is a Jack of all trades, he can help with shooting, defending, play making. But some of the top playoff teams have a fourth wing who is a specialist, not a generalist.


I'd say he's a specialist. He helps handle the ball and run the offense, spots up for 3's and tries to defend. I wouldn't call him a jack of all trades.



(Of course, the x-factor here is "Will Raul Neto be a better bench point guard than Trey Burke?" and in that case we speculate that he will. Burke isn't competing against Neto right now, but he will next season if he's still on the team.)

Will Exum be a better starter than Neto? Neto is better now than Exum was last year.


The Jazz may have the future specialist 3rd big in the wings with Trey Lyles (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/257521/trey-lyles). He turned 20 during the season and already does a number of things better than Booker.


As does Withey. Lyles should be in the D-league.



But some of the answers may already be on the team already. Jeff Withey and Trey Lyles should eat into Booker's minutes.

This guy is really under appreciating what Booker brings. Not surprising. I get the feeling like he doesn't even watch games but just crunches numbers.


Having Alec back will give the bench a shot in the arm that they've been missing for so long. And having him back means that someone like Ingles is the 4th wing, and not the 3rd wing anymore.


Ingles/Johnson depending on match-ups

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[QUOTE]Evan Fournier is another restricted free agent heading toward a raise. The Magic love him, but they might listen (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14783975/the-nba-trade-deadline-full-big-names-cap-questions).

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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jbolh8h

Front load his contract for next year when they will have a lot of cash.

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[QUOTE]Chris Reichert: With trade deadline looming, Utah Jazz will not sign Erick Green and he will rejoin Reno Bighorns this week, (http://*********.com/social/) per a league source

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Andy Larsen: Last Thurs, [URL="http://*********.com/social/"]I estimated Jazz had a 65% chance of making a trade this week. Sources I

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[QUOTE] Rick Bonnell: [URL="http://*********.com/social/"]Rich Cho indicated it

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http://saltcityhoops.com/thinking-out-loud-trade-deadline-edition/


Rudy Gobert leads the team in TS%. It doesn’t mean that Rudy is the Jazz’s best offensive player, because you can’t draw up a play for Rudy to dunk every possession. Context does matter. But I would argue that Rudy’s incredible efficiency does make up for a lot of his offensive deficiencies. It’s super valuable to have a big man who can dunk anything within 8 feet of the hoop. It puts tremendous pressure on a defense. I wouldn’t argue that Rudy is the Jazz’s best offensive player, but he might be their best offensive weapon.
Not to mention his passing, screens and offensive boards. And most people think he sucks on offense! :lol


If the Jazz replaced Trevor Booker with a player like Ed Davis, they would take a big leap.
Not sure it's that simple. It's hard to quantify what Booker brings to the table with his relentless energy. Only reason I'd be looking to trade him is because he's probably gone in the off-season though I hope he'll be back as the 5th or 6th big. I do like Ed Davis though!


Almost all of the trade chatter around the Jazz is whether they will address that need. Jeff Teague, George Hill, Jrue Holiday, Darren Collison, Patrick Beverly, and soon to be Ricky Rubio, are some of the names that get tossed around the most in regards to the Jazz.
Could have signed Beverly in the off-season and didn't.


Jared Dudley – To me, Dudley is still the perfect mix of price, ability, leadership, etc. If the Jazz don’t swing a trade for him, he should be high on their free agency list this offseason.
My guess is his age keeps him off their radar. He'd be their oldest guy. They seem to want to get even younger if anything.


Omri Casspi – I still love Casspi’s ability to be an under the radar acquisition that gets hot enough every few Jazz games to make close battles into blowouts. Great shooting season and adequate defense.Be a nice pick-up. Not sure they can get him from a team they are battling for a playoff spot with and at what cost?



Darren Collison – Collison is not a point guard in the traditional sense. He would be a super efficient version of what Trey Burke brings off the bench. I would still start Neto, but Collison would lift the bench to much greater heights. If I were the Jazz, I would rather offer the Kings Trey Burke, Alec Burks, and a future first round pick for Collison and Casspi, than any of the above mentioned point guards. I do understand the opposite view though.
Might be a bit on the old side too though he's close to the age of their oldest guys. He's a proven starter. Seems like he could be had. Be hard to see Alec go but it looks like a pretty good deal.

Channing Frye – Frye is getting out of the age range, but he would cost very little to acquire (other than his remaining 3 years on his contract). Trey Lyles is ready to get consistent minutes, but he’s not ready to give a consistent impact on the game yet. Frye, Lyles, Gobert and Favors, would be a balance of position, know-how, and offensive spacing.
Too old. Someday I imagine they'll look at some older vets but right now Withey is too old at 25 to play over Lyles at 19 despite being the better player. The 3 years isn't ideal either but probably doable. Also a weak rebounder.


Future 2nd Round Pick – This would come along with some salary from New York, Miami, or Chicago. Probably the least exciting, but also most likely of all Jazz deadline-day acquisitions. But 2nd round picks can be beneficial for the Jazz, even if they just turn into cash one day.
Most likely scenario. They opened up a roster spot too so I imagine they are looking at salary dumps if nothing else.

[Xiao Yao You]

http://saltcityhoops.com/utah-jazz-top-plays-so-far/

[QUOTE]The merits of this dunk have been widely contested on Twitter. Is it a dunk if he throws the ball into the hoop? Regardless of where you stand on the issue, this play speaks to Burks

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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/3546491-155/utah-jazz-with-trade-deadline-looming


in terms of players, the Jazz don't have much to offer, if they want to make a deal.

Disagree. Withey is a 2nd tier rim protector and the rest of his game is nice too and he could definitely help someone possibly even start. I think the rest of their team could too and all have favorable contracts not to mention one of the best players not in the league in Tomic. Look at what Charlotte just gave up for Lee. Jazz could have easily made a better offer than that if Memphis wanted to help them and the Jazz wanted to make a move which I'm not sure they do!


The Jazz currently have two roster spots open and a little over $7 million to play with, which means they can potentially absorb a contract as well.

They have one spot but they could cut Withey and Johnson for not much money. Non-guaranteed next year. Booker also a FA after the year if they had to cut him it's only a couple months salary though a bit more than the other two.


Reports had the Jazz pursuing Atlanta Hawks point guard Jeff Teague. But league sources inform the Tribune the Jazz are no longer looking in that direction.

Too expensive for their taste I imagine.

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[QUOTE]Alex Kennedy: [URL="http://www.basketballinsiders.com/podcast-the-nba-trade-deadline-preview/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter"]

[WayOfWade]

Not to mention his passing, screens and offensive boards. And most people think he sucks on offense!
Something I've been doing with Jazz games recently is watching specifically Gobert instead of the ball, and it is incredible the spacing he gives on both offense and defense, he's got the overall spacing game down.

[QUOTE]Andy Larsen: Last Thurs, I estimated Jazz had a 65% chance of making a trade this week. Sources I

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[QUOTE]Scott Kushner: Last Dejean-Jones update today (hopefully)

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Jody Genessy: Tibor Pleiss has been recalled from the Idaho Stampede (http://*********.com/social/).

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[QUOTE]Jake Fischer: The Pistons are indeed looking for a point guard, per a team source. But Detroit is in search of a backup to, not upgrading, Reggie Jackson (http://*********.com/social/).

[Xiao Yao You]

Not sure they have anything to trade.

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Marc J. Spears: Jazz president Randy Rigby announced his retirement after being with the franchise since 1986 and will transition to organizational adviser (http://*********.com/social/).

[Xiao Yao You]

One other player the Hornets had an interest in was their own former starting shooting guard Gerald Henderson, (http://www.sportingnews.com/nba-news/4695222-nba-trade-deadline-chatter-rumors-waivers-david-lee-kevin-martin-gerald-henderson-hornets) who was included in last summer’s deal with the Blazers which landed Nicolas Batum in the first place. Henderson had trouble developing into a 3-point shooter in his six years in Charlotte, and even though he is shooting a career-best 36.5 percent from the arc this year, he has had trouble finding playing time behind C.J. McCollum and Allen Crabbe. He could still be had from the Blazers.
– via Sporting News (http://www.sportingnews.com/nba-news/4695222-nba-trade-deadline-chatter-rumors-waivers-david-lee-kevin-martin-gerald-henderson-hornets)

He might be a good pick-up. Not sure a deal can be made between division rivals though. Portland could use Burke it looks like though.

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Jody Genessy: Trey Burke, whose name has surfaced in trade rumors, was not made available for an interview after practice. Jazz PR denied the request (http://*********.com/social/).

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[QUOTE] David Locke: Hearing Chicago is shaking things up. (http://*********.com/social/) I would be willing to gamble on Mike Dunleavy

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Adam Johnson: Bryce Dejean-Jones will not be returning to the Idaho Stampede, his agent tells DLD. Expected to sign multi-year deal with an NBA team (http://*********.com/social/).

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Don't think Ty would be pleased with a trade to the Jazz since he's said before he doesn't like the place.

[El Kabong]

https://twitter.com/monilogue/status/700104918221258752

[Fallen Angel]

That was really careless what he said about Utah.

[Fallen Angel]

But in all honestly, I think he wouldn't mind playing anywhere else besides Houston because we are not utilizing him anywhere near to his full potential.

If you were to ask him again I'd think he would reconsider that statement. It's one thing to be with a great organization like the Denver Nuggets and be playing winning basketball, it's another thing to be with an unstable roster like the Houston Rockets and playing extremely disappointing basketball.

[Xiao Yao You]

Be a great place to get his drinking under control. He might feel different now. Can't believe the Jazz have interest really with their history. I'd want Pleiss in the deal.

[El Kabong]

I'd be PO'd if they traded Ingles. Good glue guy to have. Pleiss would be the way to go.

[Xiao Yao You]

Pleiss/Burke is the obvious way to go and I'm not a homer from Australia! :cheers:

[El Kabong]

Pleiss/Burke is the obvious way to go and I'm not a homer from Australia! :cheers:
:oldlol:

It is obvious, but who knows. I wouldn't stop supporting the Jazz is they did trade any or both of Ingles or Exum, cause I was a Jazz fan before they came, but I wouldn't be happy for a little while.

[Xiao Yao You]

I wouldn't like it either

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[QUOTE]Andy Larsen: [URL="http://*********.com/social/"]I

[Xiao Yao You]

Doesn't work with Ingles.

[WayOfWade]

Be a great place to get his drinking under control. He might feel different now. Can't believe the Jazz have interest really with their history. I'd want Pleiss in the deal.
That could be the final piece of the deal... Actually never mind, I just read that his contract is worth like 12 million, the Jazz either don't have that type of money to throw around, or lack the willingness to do so.

[Fallen Angel]

I wouldn't mind Pleiss/Burke.

Lawson just isn't working and the market is looking bad for a player with his legal history. I think the main thing out of this is that Houston wants to shed money so that we have the cap space to make a move in Free Agency.

Us bringing in Burke also gives us a PG to work with and develop, nothing wrong with more youth.

[El Kabong]

That could be the final piece of the deal... Actually never mind, I just read that his contract is worth like 12 million, the Jazz either don't have that type of money to throw around, or lack the willingness to do so.
Jazz are $7 million under the cap, so they can absorb a fair bit and Lawson's contract is non-guaranteed for next year, so if he doesn't fit they can cut him for nothing.

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Denver Lawson before he had trouble is arguably the Jazz's best player.

If Trey/Pleiss is the price it's well worth the gamble. I don't see it working but worth the price to try.

If he can come and be a more dynamic Trey coming off the bench I'd be happy.

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Lawson deal is dead, per Woj.

[WayOfWade]

Lawson deal is dead, per Woj.
Good, I prefer Trey anyway.
In other news, the Jazz just traded a 2nd round pick for Shelvin Mack of the Hawks. He's not Jeff Teague but we'll see what he can do

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I would have liked Lawson but would have been surprised if they'd done it.

Mack should be another good young vet in the locker room with playoff experience for the stretch run and maybe compete for time at the end of the rotation. Non guaranteed next year. Hayward's college teammate. Snyder coached him.

Not sure I wouldn't prefer Erick Green though. Liked what I saw from him.

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[QUOTE]Jody Genessy: Hold on: [URL="http://*********.com/social/"]I

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http://www.slcdunk.com/nba-trades-and-deadline/2016/2/18/11050230/utah-jazz-trade-for-shelvin-mack-send-second-round-draft-pick-to


What is to worry about right now is Trey Burke. The team has added another point guard, we're not at four, and one of them needs to go. And that guy will be Burke. So I expect more Jazz deals to happen today. They have 3 healthy and Trey is more of a shooting guard really.



and on paper, he's really not close to Trey Burke. He's not a good NBA player right now. Jazz fans hate Trey and think he is horrible. I can only imagine if they will be objective enough to see how good Mack is (or is not). For his career, though, Mack is a 5.3 ppg guy who can dish a bit, 2.7 apg. He's not a shooter. Not at all. Which is one of the things Snyder needs from his point guys who invariably are spotting up more and more as wings handle the ball.


Mack will be a better 3rd stinger in my opinion than Burke would have been. And that's really it.
If you look at his numbers on a minute basis he is a lot closer to Burke. His 3 point shot has been closer to what Burke is shooting most of his career. Sounds like he has a nice mid range game. He's a better playmaker and defender than Trey. He rebounds well for a little guy. Hits FT's which is nice on this team. He is bigger than Neto and Burke. The fact that Atlanta runs the same stuff as the Jazz he should be able to fit in right away. He could definitely be in the mix for PT and Trey's job for next year anyway.

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http://saltcityhoops.com/shelvin-mack-the-newest-jazzman/

Better description of him here:


He is a heady point guard who has posted a decent 28.3 assist percentage and a 2.83 assist-to-turnover ratio for his career. He will take care of the ball and be a nice addition to the bench, giving Utah some much-needed depth. He has shown the ability to finish at the basket1 (http://saltcityhoops.com/shelvin-mack-the-newest-jazzman/#note-1). Mack can consistently knock down the mid-range jumper, but is inconsistent from downtown. He is not afraid to mix it up defensively, and uses his body well on that end.

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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/3549413-155/report-utah-jazz-acquire-pg-shelvin


If the Jazz don't trade Burke, he will play a similar role in Utah, but he does have the size to play some at shooting guard, where the Jazz are waiting for Alec Burks to return from injury.

Sounds like to me he's more of a pg but could probably guard some 2's if they put him in with Burke. Snyder hasn't wanted to play small with Burke and Neto though.

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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865647977/Reports-Jazz-trade-second-round-pick-for-Shelvin-Mack.html

[QUOTE]The Jazz will send a 2018 second-round pick to Atlanta in exchange for Mack, a 6-foot-3 guard.

Lindsey said the Jazz like Mack

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Jody Genessy: [URL="http://*********.com/social/"]Jazz aren

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Chris Vivlamore: Final details: Hawks get Kirk Hinrich. Jazz get Shelvin Mack. Bulls get Justin Holiday and Jazz 2018 second round pick at belonged to Nuggets (http://*********.com/social/).

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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/3557729-155/jazzs-trade-for-mack-adds-size


"Sometimes we forget that, since Dante's injury, we've been playing with two point guards," Snyder said.

Could argue Neto is their only pg. Hayward, Ingles and Burks play more like pg's than Burke. Hood is starting too as well.

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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865648182/Hayward-Jazz-looking-forward-to-good-chemistry-with-Shelvin-Mack.html

[QUOTE]Because of some trade complications, Mack

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[QUOTE]Chris Vivlamore: Kirk Hinrich passed his physical with Hawks (http://*********.com/social/).

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I haven't a clue as to how good he is. Do you think he's better than Burke?

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Sounds like he's better in some respects to Burke. Gives them another option.

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http://www.slcdunk.com/research-statistics-analytics/2016/2/20/11080676/utah-jazz-dante-exum-trey-burke-raul-neto-shelvin-mack-point-guard-comparison


Mack-truck comes in with some nice athleticism as well, and his 79.50" wingspan is only second to Dante's 81.50".

Jazz have to like that. His D looked good tonight.


The height and wingspan and stuff like that remain static (unless Dante is still growing which we suspect).

Think they said earlier in the year he had grown. Rudy's wingspan got longer from working at P3.


That doesn't mean Burke is an All-Star. It just means that he's had the best on-court, NBA career.

As long as efficiency doesn't matter to you. Based on tonight and the trade rumors I'd say Trey is playing his last couple of months with the Jazz.


But when you look at the analytics, man, Burke is still coming out ahead more often than not. That doesn't mean he's implicitly good -- but out of this foursome he seems to be the prettiest girl at the Wasatch ball.

As I've said that is the problem with this guy. I don't think he watches the games. Trey certainly doesn't look as good as Neto nor has he ran the team or played D as well as Mack did tonight.


The dumb thing is that whenever I do an analysis of these points on our club I end up seeing value in Trey Burke. Some of the more anti-Trey people that communicate with me do not spend hours of their free time looking this up though.

No they actually watch the games and see he is pretty one dimensional. He can score from the mid range. Not a lot else going on.


has yet to take over like he did during March Madness (http://www.sbnation.com/march-madness) a few years ago.

Pretty confident he never will.


The goal this year is to make the playoffs

Who's goal? The front office would be ecstatic with the lottery.


a goal that normal starter Dante Exum just can't help them achieve this year.

No on from the team has said that.