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AirBonner
01-30-2016, 05:26 PM
.340 vs .327 despite being labeled as a terrible shooter LeBron comes out on top.

JebronLames
01-30-2016, 05:29 PM
And LeBron never had the shortened three point line

warriorfan
01-30-2016, 05:29 PM
Jordan didn't hoist up 3's because he simply didn't need too

Jordan has the higher career midrange and FT percentages

There's more to shooting than 3 pointers

AirBonner
01-30-2016, 05:33 PM
Jordan didn't hoist up 3's because he simply didn't need too

Jordan has the higher career midrange and FT percentages

There's more to shooting than 3 pointers
We are talking about 3 point shooting and you deflect it to midrange jumpers. :facepalm

KnicksWolves
01-30-2016, 05:46 PM
We are talking about 3 point shooting and you deflect it to midrange jumpers. :facepalm

".340 vs .327 despite being labeled as a terrible shooter LeBron comes out on top." - As stated in the original post

Well then why are you trying to use 3 point shooting as a reflection of overall shooting, lol

:facepalm

Heisenberg
01-30-2016, 05:48 PM
Jordan also has a better finals record than LeBron. 6/6 >>>>>>>>> 2/6

AirBonner
01-30-2016, 05:49 PM
".340 vs .327 despite being labeled as a terrible shooter LeBron comes out on top." - As stated in the original post

Well then why are you trying to use 3 point shooting as a reflection of overall shooting, lol

:facepalm
I didn't. I simply stated a fact with statistics that prove lebron is a better 3 point shooter.

1987_Lakers
01-30-2016, 06:01 PM
People are going to lick MJ's nuts, but Jordan was never a good 3 point shooter which is understandable. He played in college without a 3 point shot and entered the NBA when the league as a whole didn't use it much.

Who knows, if MJ came along 20 years later he might have had a more effective 3 point shot.

buddha
01-30-2016, 06:03 PM
if Jordan played in this era he'd have a better three point shot.

and James shot is completely broken lately, I wouldn't be surprised if that drops to under .330 by the time he retires.

Done_And_Done
01-30-2016, 06:03 PM
Cool

Young X
01-30-2016, 06:05 PM
People are going to lick MJ's nuts, but Jordan was never a good 3 point shooter which is understandable. He played in college without a 3 point shot and entered the NBA when the league as a whole didn't use it much.

Who knows, if MJ came along 20 years later he might have had a more effective 3 point shot.So then why did he shoot above 35% multiple times? He shot 37.6% in 1990 on 3+ attempts with the normal line.

guy
01-30-2016, 06:07 PM
People are going to lick MJ's nuts, but Jordan was never a good 3 point shooter which is understandable. He played in college without a 3 point shot and entered the NBA when the league as a whole didn't use it much.

Who knows, if MJ came along 20 years later he might have had a more effective 3 point shot.

The seasons/playoffs he shot a lot more 3s i.e around 3 per game, excluding the shortened line years, the better he shot them i.e. around 35% or more. Doesn't just go for Jordan either. It goes for a number of players. So it's highly doubtful that the wing players from back then wouldn't have adjusted to today's game.

1987_Lakers
01-30-2016, 06:10 PM
So then why did he shoot above 35% multiple times. He shot 37.6% in 1990 on 3+ attempts with the normal line.

That is a one season sample.

In his last year at Chicago he was at 24% which is awful.

From '85-'93 he was at 30%

The only time MJ was a decent 3 point shooter was when the NBA had a shortened 3 point line. Can't deny facts.

sd3035
01-30-2016, 06:10 PM
LeCurry :applause: :applause: :applause:

1987_Lakers
01-30-2016, 06:13 PM
The seasons/playoffs he shot a lot more 3s i.e around 3 per game, excluding the shortened line years, the better he shot them i.e. around 35% or more. Doesn't just go for Jordan either. It goes for a number of players. So it's highly doubtful that the wing players from back then wouldn't have adjusted to today's game.

Even with the short 3 point line he is a career 33% 3 point shooter in the postseason which is below average in today's game.

And look at my post where I said MJ would have probably had a better 3 point shot if he came into the league a few years later.

sportjames23
01-30-2016, 06:28 PM
Shot better at the 3, but a lot of good that's done him. You'd think it'd help him to being better than 2/6, but no. :no:

kuniva_dAMiGhTy
01-30-2016, 06:37 PM
Why do people ignore that Jordan, during his peak, shot a good to great 3PT percentage in the playoffs?

Dude hit ~39% of his threes from 1991-1993 :confusedshrug:

guy
01-30-2016, 07:27 PM
Even with the short 3 point line he is a career 33% 3 point shooter in the postseason which is below average in today's game.

And look at my post where I said MJ would have probably had a better 3 point shot if he came into the league a few years later.

Well I agree he probably would've been. But I'm just saying AS HE WAS, he was a good 3 point shooter when he took a normal amount of them i.e. around 3 per game. And I'm not including the shortened line years. In the 1990 and 1993 regular seasons, he took 3 and 2.9 3PA per game and hit 38% and 35% on them. In the 1990 and 1993 playoffs, he took 3.1 and 3.8 3PA per game and hit 32% and 39% of them. So for the most part, when he took the attempts, he was good. And this isn't just applicable to Jordan. It is to a number of guys from that era. Not a perfect correlation or anything, but there is some pattern it seems. I guess my main point is, if you put him in this era he wouldn't be considered one of these great players that needs to improve his jumpshot/3pt shot i.e. Wade, Westbrook, etc. Not saying he would be Curry or Durant either though.

diamenz
01-30-2016, 07:28 PM
thanks for stating the obvious op.

Prime_Shaq
01-30-2016, 10:35 PM
People are going to lick MJ's nuts, but Jordan was never a good 3 point shooter which is understandable. He played in college without a 3 point shot and entered the NBA when the league as a whole didn't use it much.

Who knows, if MJ came along 20 years later he might have had a more effective 3 point shot.
How dare you use logic

Segatti
01-30-2016, 10:41 PM
Jordan didn't hoist up 3's because he simply didn't need too

Exactly! 90s allowed players to drive to the basket a lot more, if he played today he would have to shoot 3s a lot more (and probably would be exposed).

Marchesk
01-30-2016, 11:15 PM
Exactly! 90s allowed players to drive to the basket a lot more, if he played today he would have to shoot 3s a lot more (and probably would be exposed).

https://www.breakthroughbasketball.com/drills/graphics/basicSpacing003.gif

RRR3
01-30-2016, 11:16 PM
Why do people ignore that Jordan, during his peak, shot a good to great 3PT percentage in the playoffs?

Dude hit ~39% of his threes from 1991-1993 :confusedshrug:
LeBron shot 40%+ in the 14 playoffs on higher volume

kuniva_dAMiGhTy
01-30-2016, 11:26 PM
LeBron shot 40%+ in the 14 playoffs on higher volume

I wouldn't argue that LeBron is the better 3PT shooter, but rather MJ was adequate enough AND maybe even elite from long distance during the peak of his powers.

RRR3
01-30-2016, 11:28 PM
I wouldn't argue that LeBron is the better 3PT shooter, but rather MJ was adequate enough AND maybe even elite from long distance during the peak of his powers.
LeBron was elite in 2014. No idea why that ***** forgot how to shoot. Pisses me off.

SamuraiSWISH
01-30-2016, 11:30 PM
So then why did he shoot above 35% multiple times? He shot 37.6% in 1990 on 3+ attempts with the normal line.
Seriously. He wasn't great but he wasn't bad. I'd say he was good. Definitely not even average.

Hell, in the playoffs he has a better percentage than even Kobe if I'm not mistaken. It's hyperbole to act as if Jordan was a terrible three point shooter.

And he couldn't control the length of the stripe for the two seasons he played with a shortened one in 1996 and 1997. Which the league pulled in to increase scoring due to brutal defensive, grind 'em out games that were plaguing the league.

Once again proof that MJ scored higher volume per game in a more tightly and physically defended NBA.

kuniva_dAMiGhTy
01-30-2016, 11:32 PM
LeBron was elite in 2014. No idea why that ***** forgot how to shoot. Pisses me off.

He was also a pretty damn good midrange shooter. Not on the Durant, Kobe or Jordan level but by his standards? Not too shabby.

2013 and 2014 are the best versions we've seen of LeBron, in my opinion.

SamuraiSWISH
01-30-2016, 11:35 PM
2013 LeBron was the most complete skill wise, experience wise and the athleticism hadn't begun to dip off yet. His jumper has been broke since the 2014 Finals.

RRR3
01-30-2016, 11:43 PM
He was also a pretty damn good midrange shooter. Not on the Durant, Kobe or Jordan level but by his standards? Not too shabby.

2013 and 2014 are the best versions we've seen of LeBron, in my opinion.
Yeah, for sure he was a solid shooter. He's gotten worse at everything, even FTs. Dude needs to fix that. Inexcusable.

deja vu
01-31-2016, 12:36 AM
People are going to lick MJ's nuts, but Jordan was never a good 3 point shooter which is understandable. He played in college without a 3 point shot and entered the NBA when the league as a whole didn't use it much.

Who knows, if MJ came along 20 years later he might have had a more effective 3 point shot.
This. If Jordan played in college with a 3-point line he would be a slightly better 3-point shooter.

But its a blessing in disguise as he didn't have to rely too much on 3s and jack up a ton of those low-percentage shots.

Though he showed that he can get hot from 3 (1992 Finals).

OldSchoolBBall
01-31-2016, 12:36 AM
That is a one season sample.

In his last year at Chicago he was at 24% which is awful.

From '85-'93 he was at 30%

The only time MJ was a decent 3 point shooter was when the NBA had a shortened 3 point line. Can't deny facts.

It's not one season. Every season where he took more than a miniscule number of threes he shot it well:

1990 - 38% on three 3FGA/gm
1993 - 35% on three 3FGA/gm

1991-1993 postseasons: 39% each playoffs including 39% from deep on nearly 4 attempts/gm in the 1993 postseason.

1996 - 43% (shortened line; however, someone at RealGM posted a link from either Synergy sports or the NBA where they actually broke down his percentage outside 23'9" and it was in the 36-38% range iirc)

Mentioning 1998 shows your bias because it's well known that Jordan cracked a knuckle and tore a ligament on the index finger of his shooting hand just prior to the season. That's why he shot 42% FG/75% FT for the first 20 games that season, but then after adjusting his form he shot 48% FG/80% FT the rest of the way. His shot from deep never recovered to the same degree because there is less margin for error on deeper shots and his form was still botched to a degree.

Mr Feeny
01-31-2016, 02:26 AM
Even with the short 3 point line he is a career 33% 3 point shooter in the postseason which is below average in today's game.

And look at my post where I said MJ would have probably had a better 3 point shot if he came into the league a few years later.

Lebron James is a much better 3 point career shooter than Kobe, 34.0% vs 33.0%

In the post season, Jordan is a better 3 point shooter than Kobe.
In the finals, the gap is even wider.
Kobe is a horrific 3 point shooter in playoffs and finals and pretty abysmal in the regular season as well. He'll end up with a lower than 33.0%fg career shooting percentage from 3 despite no handchecking and despite benefiting from open looks when he had Shaq commanding double and triple teams, something neither Jordan or lebron had the luxury of enjoying.

Mr Feeny
01-31-2016, 02:28 AM
It's not one season. Every season where he took more than a miniscule number of threes he shot it well:

1990 - 38% on three 3FGA/gm
1993 - 35% on three 3FGA/gm

1991-1993 postseasons: 39% each playoffs including 39% from deep on nearly 4 attempts/gm in the 1993 postseason.

1996 - 43% (shortened line; however, someone at RealGM posted a link from either Synergy sports or the NBA where they actually broke down his percentage outside 23'9" and it was in the 36-38% range iirc)

Mentioning 1998 shows your bias because it's well known that Jordan cracked a knuckle and tore a ligament on the index finger of his shooting hand just prior to the season. That's why he shot 42% FG/75% FT for the first 20 games that season, but then after adjusting his form he shot 48% FG/80% FT the rest of the way. His shot from deep never recovered to the same degree because there is less margin for error on deeper shots and his form was still botched to a degree.


I didn't even bothering correcting him on 1998. I didn't assume that he was biased. I just assumed that he doesn't know about the finger injury. Most Kobe stans don't know what they're talking about and it was abundantly clear that this one was no different.

In playoffs and finals, Jordan is a better 3 point shooter than Kobe fwiw.

Lebron23
01-31-2016, 03:33 AM
Water is Wet.

TheImmortal
01-31-2016, 04:12 AM
Give me elite midrange over mediocre 3pt shooting.. This is why Kobe & MJay will always be >>>>> LeBrick. Can't rely on 3pointers (with the exception of GOAT Curry) to win championships.