Top 100 Playoffs Performances By WS

[feyki]

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Hakeem,Lebron and Cousy :bowdown:

[DaOldLion]

look at all of those first and second round losses.

[riseagainst]

wrong thread title....
ws/48 not ws

[Donkey4trading]

you know this stat is dumb when 2000 Shaq isn't top 100 :oldlol: :oldlol:

[ShawkFactory]

Cousy barely even played 48 minutes in his..

[feyki]

wrong thread title....
ws/48 not ws

Win shares 48 , per 48 minutes version of the total win shares . WS is general tag .

[feyki]

you know this stat is dumb when 2000 Shaq isn't top 100 :oldlol: :oldlol:

Yes , we can't judge players with WS . But that list show us forgotten individual performances .

[LAZERUSS]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Hakeem with a typical first round loss, and as was almost always the case, facing a clown at the center position in that series loss.

[LAZERUSS]

Using ISH logic...

Donaldson >>>>>> Hakeem

3-1 series win.

[ShawkFactory]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Hakeem with a typical first round loss, and as was almost always the case, facing a clown at the center position in that series loss.
He averaged 38/17 though...

[feyki]

He averaged 38/17 though...

And 46 pts with %64 TS , 21 reb on 100 poss :oldlol: .

[LAZERUSS]

He averaged 38/17 though...


Wilt had 34-27 series against Russell, but here at ISH, all that matters is who wins.

If Russell were greater than Wilt,

then Donaldson was greater than Hakeem.

Hell, Mychal Thompson was also greater than Hakeem, as was Oliver Miller, and a host of other goofballs.

[feyki]

Wilt had 34-27 series against Russell, but here at ISH, all that matters is who wins.

If Russell were greater than Wilt,

then Donaldson was greater than Hakeem.

Hell, Mychal Thompson was also greater than Hakeem, as was Oliver Miller, and a host of other goofballs.

Had Donaldson 20-18-6 with goat defence impact on the court ?

[LAZERUSS]

Had Donaldson 20-18-6 with goat defence impact on the court ?

Where is Wilt's '65 series against Russell?

You know, the one in which Chamberlain DESTROYED Russell in EVERY aspect of the game, while taking his 40-40 team to a game seven, one point loss against a 62-18 Celtic team at the zenith of it's dynasty.

You know, the series in which Chamberlain outscored Russell by a 30-16 ppg margin; outrebounded Russell by a 31-25 rpg margin; outshot Russell by a .555 to .447 FG% margin; outblocked him by a 35-22 margin; and even outshot him from the FT line by a .583 to .472 margin?

THAT was a GOAT-level performance. Not pounding some scrub in a first round blowout series loss.

[ShawkFactory]

Wilt had 34-27 series against Russell, but here at ISH, all that matters is who wins.

If Russell were greater than Wilt,

then Donaldson was greater than Hakeem.

Hell, Mychal Thompson was also greater than Hakeem, as was Oliver Miller, and a host of other goofballs.
Kind of a false equivalency don't you think? Russell was the leader of 11 championship teams, and a dominant presence.

James Donaldson made one all-star game, and averaged 7/9 that season...

[ArbitraryWater]

OP, you realize Hakeem and Cousy played a combined 7 games? What are you bowing down for?! Smh trolls

[LAZERUSS]

Kind of a false equivalency don't you think? Russell was the leader of 11 championship teams, and a dominant presence.

James Donaldson made one all-star game, and averaged 7/9 that season...

Not really.

More of an embarrassment to Hakeem.

Wilt took crappy rosters to wthin an eyelash of beating Russell's stacked rosters (and then destroyed Russell and his 8-time defending champions in '67 with an equal roster.)

Here was Hakeem losing to crappy teams and crappy centers in first rounds.

[LAZERUSS]

OP, you realize Hakeem and Cousy played a combined 7 games? What are you bowing down for?! Smh trolls

This stat covers entire playoff runs. It basically rewards short exits, like majority of Hakeem's.

Players like Wilt and Kareem had some monster single series, and usually against merely good centers, and then faced GOAT-level centers in their other series, and their numbers declined somewhat because of it.

[Psileas]

So, Wilt appears 5 times in the top 100, which is as many times as Kareem and LeBron appear and more than Russell, Shaq, West, Magic, Bird, Duncan, etc, and below only Jordan.
Thanks for showing another metric that shows the obvious: That Wilt was a GOAT level playoff performer.

[LAZERUSS]

So, Wilt appears 5 times in the top 100, which is as many times as Kareem and LeBron appear and more than Russell, Shaq, West, Magic, Bird, Duncan, etc, and below only Jordan.
Thanks for showing another metric that shows the obvious: That Wilt was a GOAT level playoff performer.


I do get a kick out these.

Wilt gets ripped by many here for his team's losing to Russell's so often, and yet no one punishes KAJ for losing to Marvin Webster, or Jack Sikma; or Hakeem "losing" to Donaldson, Oliver Miller, or Mychal Thompson.

[ShawkFactory]

Not really.

More of an embarrassment to Hakeem.

Wilt took crappy rosters to wthin an eyelash of beating Russell's stacked rosters (and then destroyed Russell and his 8-time defending champions in '67 with an equal roster.)

Here was Hakeem losing to crappy teams and crappy centers in first rounds.
Russell was the ultimate leader. Maybe the best to ever do it. Josh Donaldson was not.

Comparing Russell and Wilt based on a playoff series is not the same as Hakeem and Donaldson.

[feyki]

Where is Wilt's '65 series against Russell?

You know, the one in which Chamberlain DESTROYED Russell in EVERY aspect of the game, while taking his 40-40 team to a game seven, one point loss against a 62-18 Celtic team at the zenith of it's dynasty.

You know, the series in which Chamberlain outscored Russell by a 30-16 ppg margin; outrebounded Russell by a 31-25 rpg margin; outshot Russell by a .555 to .447 FG% margin; outblocked him by a 35-22 margin; and even outshot him from the FT line by a .583 to .472 margin?

THAT was a GOAT-level performance. Not pounding scrub in a first round blowout series loss.


This underestimate Russell . Russell had better level in some series , Wilt had better level in some series . We are talking about Russell and Wilt rivalry . One of theTwo best rivalry in nba history ( Magic-Bird , Wilt-Bill ) . We aren't talking about Hakeem versus Robinson . Do you know what rivalries means ?



I'm not saying Wilt better in 65 when i look those numbers ;

www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=267732

1960,61,62,63 are clearly goes to Russell in my book. 64,66,67,68 clearly goes to Wilt . 65 and 69 debatable .

You shouldn't underestimate other legends when arguing Wilt side .

[LAZERUSS]

Russell was the ultimate leader. Maybe the best to ever do it. Josh Donaldson was not.

Comparing Russell and Wilt based on a playoff series is not the same as Hakeem and Donaldson.

EXACTLY.

Wilt single-handedly carrying pathetic rosters to near wins over Russell's, all while wiping the floor with Russell and his HOF-laden rosters was FAR more impressive than Hakeem outplaying a stumblebum in a first round blowout series loss.

[LAZERUSS]

Hakeem was the king of First Round Exits...Plain-and Simple.

Here are some of Wilt's numbers in his First Rounds...

[QUOTE][/As examples, in Wilt's fist eight post-seasons, and in his first round, he averaged

38.7 ppg

37.0 ppg

37.0 ppg

38.6 ppg and on .559 shooting (in a post-season NBA of 105.8 ppg on .420 shooting)

27.8 ppg (and then 30.1 ppg, on .555 shooting, and against Russell)

28.0 ppg

28.0 ppg (and a great example of FG% at .617 in a post-season at .424, to go along with 27 rpg, and 11 apg.!))

25.5 ppg (and on .584 shooting, while his opposing center, Bellamy was at 20.0 on .421 shooting.)

Even in his 11th season, and only four months removed from major knee surgery, Chamberlain put up a first round of 23.7 ppg., 20.3 rpg, and .549.

And, in his 71-72 post-season, he had a 14.5 ppg, 20.8 rpg, .629 first round series (and in an NBA post-season of .446.)QUOTE]

[LAZERUSS]

This underestimate Russell . Russell had better level in some series , Wilt had better level in some series . We are talking about Russell and Wilt rivalry . One of theTwo best rivalry in nba history ( Magic-Bird , Wilt-Bill ) . We aren't talking about Hakeem versus Robinson . Do you know what rivalries means ?



I'm not saying Wilt better in 65 when i look those numbers ;

www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=267732

1960,61,62,63 are clearly goes to Russell in my book. 64,66,67,68 clearly goes to Wilt . 65 and 69 debatable .

You shouldn't underestimate other legends when arguing Wilt side .

We have disagreed on this before, but here is MY take...

Wilt in '60, '61, '62, '64, '66, '67, '68, and '69...all of which coincides with Wilt's First team All-NBA margin over Russell, except in '69, when Wilt was CLEARLY better in every category, and yet finished behind Russell in the MVP balloting.

I will give you '63, only because Wilt's team was so awful. And I will give you '65...EXCEPT, that in their post-season H2H, Chamberlain DESTROYED Russell and in EVERY facet of the game. The most one-sided beatdown every administered by one prime GOAT on another prime GOAT.

Overall...easily Wilt.

[Sarcastic]

Should only count if you win the ring or make the finals. Lebron lost in the ECF that year, and Olajuwon played 4 games. Not a fair comparison to players who actually won.

[feyki]

We have disagreed on this before, but here is MY take...

Wilt in '60, '61, '62, '64, '66, '67, '68, and '69...all of which coincides with Wilt's First team All-NBA margin over Russell, except in '69, when Wilt was CLEARLY better in every category, and yet finished behind Russell in the MVP balloting.

I will give you '63, only because Wilt's team was so awful. And I will give you '65...EXCEPT, that in their post-season H2H, Chamberlain DESTROYED Russell and in EVERY facet of the game. The most one-sided beatdown every administered by one prime GOAT on another prime GOAT.

Overall...easily Wilt.

I'm playing with your rules .

Russell DESTROYED Wilt in playmaking when they faced everytime .And Russell annihilated Wilt in defending at everytime . Russell also crushed Wilt on steals and on ball defences . Wilt was so lazy on , on ball defences and his teams got crushed and annihilated everytime against bunch of 6'2 shooters .

Also his ball hogging and clown Harlem style basketball got annihilated when he faced the average team like Syracuse .

[LAZERUSS]

I'm playing with your rules .

Russell DESTROYED Wilt in playmaking when they faced .And Russell annihilated Wilt in defending at everytime . Russell also crashed Wilt on steals and on ball defences . Wilt was so lazy on , on ball defences and his teams got crushed and annihilated everytime against bunch of 6'2 shooters .

Also his ball hogging and clown Harlem style basketball got annihilated when he faced the average team like Syracuse .

I won't take the time to blow up the Russell H2H's...

but the Syracuse quote was really funny.

Wilt's TEAMS went 2-1 against the Nats in the post-season, and in those three series Chamberlain averaged 39-23, 37-23, and 37-23. Oh, and in the clinching must win games in '60 and '62, Wilt hung games of 50-22 and 56-35.

Yep...that clown Wilt alright...

[feyki]

I won't take the time to blow up the Russell H2H's...

but the Syracuse quote was really funny.

Wilt's TEAMS went 2-1 against the Nats in the post-season, and in those three series Chamberlain averaged 39-23, 37-23, and 37-23. Oh, and in the clinching must win games in '60 and '62, Wilt hung games of 50-22 and 56-35.

Yep...that clown Wilt alright...

Yes , Wilt was the harlem shake clown and you are the his pathetic fanboy .

I'm so sad for without knowledge pathetic fanboys . I faced Wilt's first time .

[LAZERUSS]

Yes , Wilt was the harlem shake clown and you are the his pathetic fanboy .

I'm so sad for without knowledge pathetic fanboys . I faced Wilt's first time .

Sorry you feel that way.

[SexSymbol]

you know this stat is dumb when 2000 Shaq isn't top 100 :oldlol: :oldlol:
/thread

[SexSymbol]

So, Wilt appears 5 times in the top 100, which is as many times as Kareem and LeBron appear and more than Russell, Shaq, West, Magic, Bird, Duncan, etc, and below only Jordan.
Thanks for showing another metric that shows the obvious: That Wilt was a GOAT level playoff performer.
Wilt was one of the worst playoff superstars ever.
Always underperformed, usually lost

[feyki]

Wilt was one of the worst playoff superstars ever.
Always underperformed, usually lost

No , he wasn't .

He just hadn't mentality of the game at his early career . And He always kept good for his level in playoffs after 62 .

[Psileas]

Wilt was one of the worst playoff superstars ever.
Always underperformed, usually lost

Not even close for all 3. Despite what raw ppg stats force people to believe, I've shown that in 50% of all cases, Wilt averaged more ppg in the playoffs against his yearly opponents than he was averaging against them in the regular season. So, he was roughly staying at the same level.
And his team playoff series record is 18-11 (with the low number of teams and fewer rounds deflating this %), with 10 of his 11 losses happening to the eventual champions.