Was Thibs the mastermind behind Celtics 08 run?

[Gus Hemmingway]

Give credit where credit is due and shimmy sham, Doc is getting exposed over and over and over ever since

That 08 Celtics D was superior, all due to Thibs

What was Docs role exactly?

Thoughts...

[Young X]

Kevin Garnett.

[LoneyROY7]

It was James Posey honestly.

[Gus Hemmingway]

It was James Posey honestly.

UNDERATED Defender

[Gus Hemmingway]

did Leon Powe retire?

[Milbuck]

They had everything. At the time very innovative coaching by Thibs..tail end prime Garnett, Posey, Perkins before he got hurt and sucked, young TA and Rondo, Pierce, Ray could step up when needed, etc. Ton of good to great individual defenders led by arguably the greatest or second greatest defensive anchor of his generation (KG) and put together by the best defensive coach in the league. Had the best defense that year by almost a full 3 points.

That defense when locked in was just a hair under the 04 Pistons for me.

[eeeeeebro]

bulls have best defense in the league right now and thibs is responsible for that as well huh

[3ball]

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League-wide DRtg was higher (worse) from 2008 to 2010 than it was from 1996-1998, yet old MJ still had superior stats than prime Kobe:


REGULAR SEASON - 1996-1998 vs. 2008-2010

MJ:... 29.6 ppg... 48.2% fg... 2 MVP
Kobe: 27.4 ppg... 46.1% fg... 1 MVP


PLAYOFFS:

MJ:... 31.4 ppg... 45.9% fg
Kobe: 29.8 PPG... 46.4% fg


FINALS

MJ:... 31.1 ppg... 43.4% fg... 3 FMVP
Kobe: 29.2 ppg... 41.3% fg... 2 FMVP


MJ also faced the 1998 Utah Jazz, who had a 100.3 playoff DRtg - that's lower than anything Kobe faced in Finals without Shaq, or Lebron ever faced in the Finals.

[1987_Lakers]

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League-wide DRtg was higher (worse) from 2008 to 2010 than it was from 1996-1998, yet old MJ still had superior stats than prime Kobe:


REGULAR SEASON - 1996-1998 vs. 2008-2010

MJ:... 29.6 ppg... 48.2% fg... 2 MVP
Kobe: 27.4 ppg... 46.1% fg... 1 MVP


PLAYOFFS:

MJ:... 31.4 ppg... 45.9% fg
Kobe: 29.8 PPG... 46.4% fg


FINALS

MJ:... 31.1 ppg... 43.4% fg... 3 FMVP
Kobe: 29.2 ppg... 41.3% fg... 2 FMVP


MJ also faced the 1998 Utah Jazz, who had a 100.3 playoff DRtg - that's lower than anything Kobe faced in Finals without Shaq, or Lebron ever faced in the Finals.

Wtf is this guy's problem?

[I<3NBA]

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League-wide DRtg was higher (worse) from 2008 to 2010 than it was from 1996-1998, yet old MJ still had superior stats than prime Kobe:


REGULAR SEASON - 1996-1998 vs. 2008-2010

MJ:... 29.6 ppg... 48.2% fg... 2 MVP
Kobe: 27.4 ppg... 46.1% fg... 1 MVP


PLAYOFFS:

MJ:... 31.4 ppg... 45.9% fg
Kobe: 29.8 PPG... 46.4% fg


FINALS

MJ:... 31.1 ppg... 43.4% fg... 3 FMVP
Kobe: 29.2 ppg... 41.3% fg... 2 FMVP


MJ also faced the 1998 Utah Jazz, who had a 100.3 playoff DRtg - that's lower than anything Kobe faced in Finals without Shaq, or Lebron ever faced in the Finals.
who fkd your momma and why are you in threads not even related to MJ bringing up MJ?

[IllegalD]

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League-wide DRtg was higher (worse) from 2008 to 2010 than it was from 1996-1998, yet old MJ still had superior stats than prime Kobe:


REGULAR SEASON - 1996-1998 vs. 2008-2010

MJ:... 29.6 ppg... 48.2% fg... 2 MVP
Kobe: 27.4 ppg... 46.1% fg... 1 MVP


PLAYOFFS:

MJ:... 31.4 ppg... 45.9% fg
Kobe: 29.8 PPG... 46.4% fg


FINALS

MJ:... 31.1 ppg... 43.4% fg... 3 FMVP
Kobe: 29.2 ppg... 41.3% fg... 2 FMVP


MJ also faced the 1998 Utah Jazz, who had a 100.3 playoff DRtg - that's lower than anything Kobe faced in Finals without Shaq, or Lebron ever faced in the Finals.

Someone ban this f*ggot.

[Micku]

Give credit where credit is due and shimmy sham, Doc is getting exposed over and over and over ever since

That 08 Celtics D was superior, all due to Thibs

What was Docs role exactly?

Thoughts...

It seems Thibs role was the D while Doc handled the O and motivate the players and kept them in check. Doc is also a very good clutch coach in terms of drawing up a play in the last second.

When Thibs left, they were still very good defensive tho. Second in the league when he left.

You have to give credit to a lot of factors. KG was amazing defensively. KG stats in the +/- defensive in 2012 in the playoff was a staggering -25.3. This means that they while he was on the floor, the opponent ORtg was 93.5. While he was off the floor, the opponent was 118.8. Damn.

The only players that I can recall that had a similar impact on either end was Steve Nash with the offense or Tim Duncan with his d. I forget which year, but correct me if I'm wrong.

You can argue that his team sucked defensive without him that year, and you'll be right. But it screams that impact defensively KG provides. He was a beast at covering the pick and roll. Thibs maybe a good defensive coach, but he had great piece with KG. Doc as well.

Doc as also proven he could get the Celts to be a top defensive team without Thibs. They weren't never as good as they were in 08 or 10 in the playoffs, but they were always elite. They were either the best defensive team in the league or the second best.

I'll argue that they'll probably reach the finals in 2011 and 2012 if weren't for the Heat. The Heat was just too stacked. In 2011 with Wade and LBJ both playing at their prime. And LBJ was a beast in 2012 with Wade at the very end of his prime with solid role players.

So, they were good without Thibs. They just faced against better teams or they got crippled with injuries.

[salwan]

Kevin Garnett.
this

[DoctorP]

no. next question.

[bluechox2]

bulls have best defense in the league right now and thibs is responsible for that as well huh
what, you think just cause hes gone, that they forget everything they learned magically?

same reason, kerr is out, they forget their offense?

[Orlando Magic]

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League-wide DRtg was higher (worse) from 2008 to 2010 than it was from 1996-1998, yet old MJ still had superior stats than prime Kobe:


REGULAR SEASON - 1996-1998 vs. 2008-2010

MJ:... 29.6 ppg... 48.2% fg... 2 MVP
Kobe: 27.4 ppg... 46.1% fg... 1 MVP


PLAYOFFS:

MJ:... 31.4 ppg... 45.9% fg
Kobe: 29.8 PPG... 46.4% fg


FINALS

MJ:... 31.1 ppg... 43.4% fg... 3 FMVP
Kobe: 29.2 ppg... 41.3% fg... 2 FMVP


MJ also faced the 1998 Utah Jazz, who had a 100.3 playoff DRtg - that's lower than anything Kobe faced in Finals without Shaq, or Lebron ever faced in the Finals.

the ****? LOL.

[dhsilv]

Give credit where credit is due and shimmy sham, Doc is getting exposed over and over and over ever since

That 08 Celtics D was superior, all due to Thibs

What was Docs role exactly?

Thoughts...

Doc is a nice guy who people like. He has no value as a "coach". His X's and O's are about a 3 out of 10. His knowledge of the game is about a 2 out of 10. He barely seemed to know the game when he was an announcer. He's clearly an all time bad x's and o's coach, but he works well with players and people seem to like him.

What else is there to say? There's a reason he was a running joke as a coach before that title.

[dhsilv]

Wtf is this guy's problem?

Just block him...the board gets better when you only read his stuff when you want comic relief.

[Derka]

Thibs + the guys who made that team commit to playing defense.

[SwayDizzle]

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League-wide DRtg was higher (worse) from 2008 to 2010 than it was from 1996-1998, yet old MJ still had superior stats than prime Kobe:


REGULAR SEASON - 1996-1998 vs. 2008-2010

MJ:... 29.6 ppg... 48.2% fg... 2 MVP
Kobe: 27.4 ppg... 46.1% fg... 1 MVP


PLAYOFFS:

MJ:... 31.4 ppg... 45.9% fg
Kobe: 29.8 PPG... 46.4% fg


FINALS

MJ:... 31.1 ppg... 43.4% fg... 3 FMVP
Kobe: 29.2 ppg... 41.3% fg... 2 FMVP


MJ also faced the 1998 Utah Jazz, who had a 100.3 playoff DRtg - that's lower than anything Kobe faced in Finals without Shaq, or Lebron ever faced in the Finals.
:biggums:

[MiseryCityTexas]

No Kevin Mchale was the mastermind behind that. Mchale does a much better job helping opposing teams get better, than he does helping his own teams improve.

[game3524]

No KG was.

[JohnnySic]

No, KG. He tied the room together. :oldlol:

[90sgoat]

Doc is a nice guy who people like. He has no value as a "coach". His X's and O's are about a 3 out of 10. His knowledge of the game is about a 2 out of 10. He barely seemed to know the game when he was an announcer. He's clearly an all time bad x's and o's coach, but he works well with players and people seem to like him.

What else is there to say? There's a reason he was a running joke as a coach before that title.

Being an NBA coach is more about being a babysitter, therapist, undisputed top of the pack alpha male and personal movitator and assistant to a bunch of juvenile, never grow up adult men.

The NBA has as the only known league in the world, created a situation in which the players hold power over owners and coaches. Embarassing. American drama queens.

[Black and White]

Glad to see KG getting the credit he deserves, chemistry was the key :applause:

[Lebronxrings]

no it was doc. Don't blame him cause he plays with choke paul and choke griffin

[ShawkFactory]

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League-wide DRtg was higher (worse) from 2008 to 2010 than it was from 1996-1998, yet old MJ still had superior stats than prime Kobe:


REGULAR SEASON - 1996-1998 vs. 2008-2010

MJ:... 29.6 ppg... 48.2% fg... 2 MVP
Kobe: 27.4 ppg... 46.1% fg... 1 MVP


PLAYOFFS:

MJ:... 31.4 ppg... 45.9% fg
Kobe: 29.8 PPG... 46.4% fg


FINALS

MJ:... 31.1 ppg... 43.4% fg... 3 FMVP
Kobe: 29.2 ppg... 41.3% fg... 2 FMVP


MJ also faced the 1998 Utah Jazz, who had a 100.3 playoff DRtg - that's lower than anything Kobe faced in Finals without Shaq, or Lebron ever faced in the Finals.
Aaaaaaannnd officially on the ignore list