Duncan with 5 points...Spurs up 40...

[stalkerforlife]

But he somehow keeps moving up the all time rankings due to team success.

Imagine Kobe having this stable of a franchise for 20 seasons.

Kobe would have MORE titles if he played for SA his entire career. At least 6.

Duncan is top 5 all time.

Kobe is #2 all time.

[SouBeachTalents]

Imagine Duncan won a ring in this fashion

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2000-nba-finals-pacers-vs-lakers.html

[Andrei89]

I assume your Retardness means switching Duncan with Kobe? Because in that case the Spurs would have less than 5 rings.

[dubeta]

Kobe still doesnt have a 1st option ring.

[72-10]

:lol you're actually serious aren't you

[WayOfWade]

Let's go Jazz! Oh who am I kidding, we absolutely suck right now

[stalkerforlife]

:lol you're actually serious aren't you

Of course.

[Lebronxrings]

Kobe still doesnt have a 1st option ring.
this. :banana:

[T_L_P]

Imagine Duncan won a ring in this fashion

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2000-nba-finals-pacers-vs-lakers.html

almost exact same stats as this season :eek:

[72-10]

Of course.

:roll:

[stalkerforlife]

:roll:

Logic not something you consider important?

[72-10]

There are at least five players who have won more rings as the leader of their team and won more awards. And these players won championships in college, too. Ergo, they are greater than Kobe. It doesn't matter if Kobe has better skills than some of these players since you're comparing across eras, you have to gauge people within their own era, such as by how they dominated within their own era.

Jordan
Magic
Kareem
Bill Russell
Wilt Chamberlain

you can't rank Kobe ahead of these players if you use the aforementioned logic

[Deuce Bigalow]

Imagine Duncan won a ring in this fashion

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2000-nba-finals-pacers-vs-lakers.html
At least he didn't lose FMVP to Tony Parker and Kiwi Leonard or was carried by Manu.

[Smoke117]

Imagine Duncan won a ring in this fashion

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2000-nba-finals-pacers-vs-lakers.html

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[stalkerforlife]

There are at least five players who have won more rings as the leader of their team and won more awards. And these players won championships in college, too. Ergo, they are greater than Kobe. It doesn't matter if Kobe has better skills than some of these players since you're comparing across eras, you have to gauge people within their own era, such as by how they dominated within their own era.

Jordan
Magic
Kareem
Bill Russell
Wilt Chamberlain

you can't rank Kobe ahead of these players if you use the aforementioned logic

Russell and Chamberlain played in a league that had 8 teams at one point, with all of the best players usually playing on their team.

Kareem never won a title without a top 15 player of all time by his side. Kobe won back to back titles without a top 85 player of all time.

Kobe is the best Laker ever and Magic has no case over him, he'll tell you that himself. Magic had far better supporting casts through his career in a historically weak western conference.

[Anaximandro1]

:D


DRPM (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM)

#1 Duncan 6.17

#390 Kobe -2.34


Spurs D is operating at GOAT-tier levels and the anchor is a 40-year old man ...

[Smoke117]

:lol you're actually serious aren't you

The funniest thing is he actually believes he knows about basketball.

[stalkerforlife]

:D


DRPM (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM)

#1 Duncan 6.17

#390 Kobe -2.34


Spurs D is operating at GOAT-tier levels and the anchor is a 40-year old man ...

If Kobe was allowed to play 26 minutes a game and focus only on defense with star players and star role players surrounding him, i'm pretty sure he'd be an elite defender.

[Deuce Bigalow]

07 Finals
Parker - 25 ppg, 60% TS
Duncan - 18 ppg, 48% TS

14 Finals
Parker - 18 ppg, 55% TS
Leonard - 18 ppg, 75% TS
Duncan - 15 ppg, 61% TS

05 Finals
Duncan - 21 ppg, 47% TS
Manu - 19 ppg, 64% TS

That's 3 of his championships getting carried offensively. Must be nice winning championships averaging 18 ppg

[SouBeachTalents]

07 Finals
Parker - 25 ppg, 60% TS
Duncan - 18 ppg, 48% TS

14 Finals
Parker - 18 ppg, 55% TS
Leonard - 18 ppg, 75% TS
Duncan - 15 ppg, 61% TS

05 Finals
Duncan - 21 ppg, 47% TS
Manu - 19 ppg, 64% TS

2000 Finals

Shaq's rpg: 17
Kobe's ppg: 16

Shaq's ppg: 38
Kobe's fg%: 37

[Smoke117]

If Kobe was allowed to play 26 minutes a game and focus only on defense with star players and star role players surrounding him, i'm pretty sure he'd be an elite defender.

http://www.somegif.com/gifs/13793977591068680715.GIF

[Deuce Bigalow]

2000 Finals

Shaq's rpg: 17
Kobe's ppg: 16

Shaq's ppg: 38
Kobe's fg%: 37
That's one finals..

[RRR3]

The fact that Kobetards think that Duncan gracefully accepting a lesser role in his old age and taking a backseat (as opposed to taking mind-boggingly stupid pull-up 3s and making about 3% of them) is bad is pretty funny.

[72-10]

dude, Kobe doesn't even clear 45% shooting for his career

He ranks #978 in career field goal percentage
He's like #170 among guards

He's not efficient

[SouBeachTalents]

That's one finals..

You can criticize Duncan's scoring
Must be nice winning championships averaging 18 ppg but it must also be nice to have a dude average 35/15 and outscore you by nearly 10 ppg for 3 straight Finals

[Deuce Bigalow]

dude, Kobe doesn't even clear 45% shooting for his career

He ranks #978 in career field goal percentage
He's like #170 among guards

He's not efficient
Where does Duncan rank in anything important?

Ppg?
Rpg?
Bpg?
Any scoring titles? Rebounding titles? Blocking titles? DPOYs?

[Smoke117]

The fact that Kobetards think that Duncan gracefully accepting a lesser role in his old age and taking a backseat (as opposed to taking mind-boggingly stupid pull-up 3s and making about 3% of them) is bad is pretty funny.

Kobe stans have the worst basketball IQ of any fanbase.

[72-10]

Where does Duncan rank in anything important?

Ppg?
Rpg?
Bpg?
Any scoring titles? Rebounding titles? Blocking titles? DPOYs?

I'm not drawing a comparison to Duncan. I was responding to the OP's claim that Kobe is #2 all time. Which is a farce.

[Deuce Bigalow]

You can criticize Duncan's scoring but it must also be nice to have a dude average 35/15 and outscore you by nearly 10 ppg for 3 straight Finals
At least Kobe wasn't averaging 18-20 ppg while that happened. A respectable 25/5/5 and that's when you include his very sub-par 00 series.

[stalkerforlife]

The fact that Kobetards think that Duncan gracefully accepting a lesser role in his old age and taking a backseat (as opposed to taking mind-boggingly stupid pull-up 3s and making about 3% of them) is bad is pretty funny.

Don't be stupid. I believe in you.

I applaud Duncan for what he's doing and I wish Kobe could do the same.

But Kobe doesn't play for the greatest franchise in all of sports. With the greatest coach. With star players. With the best role players in the business.

Don't be transparent.

[72-10]

btw did you know that Duncan is the all-time playoff leader in blocks

[stalkerforlife]

dude, Kobe doesn't even clear 45% shooting for his career

He ranks #978 in career field goal percentage
He's like #170 among guards

He's not efficient

Either you're trolling or you're a moron or both. You choose, buster.

TS% is the only way to truly evaluate efficiency, numb nuts.

You have to factor in threes and free throws.

Kobe's always been very efficient and well above league average.

[Deuce Bigalow]

btw did you know that Duncan is the all-time playoff leader in blocks
That's only because they didn't keep track of blocks until 1974.

Russell, Wilt, Kareem and then maybe players like Mikan, Reed, Thurmond could be ahead right now.

[72-10]

That's only because they didn't keep track of blocks until 1974.

Russell, Wilt, Kareem and then maybe players like Mikan, Reed, Thurmond could be ahead right now.

Maybe Russell and Wilt would but that's it. You don't seem to know much about basketball outside of lauding Kobe.

[72-10]

Either you're trolling or you're a moron or both. You choose, buster.

TS% is the only way to truly evaluate efficiency, numb nuts.

You have to factor in threes and free throws.

Kobe's always been very efficient and well above league average.

You've been reported for your offensive post.

No it isn't and no he hasn't. Advanced metrics don't help analyze basketball much at all. Why would we factor in free throw shooting when we're talking about his inefficiency from the floor? Because it's convenient for your argument because he's a great free throw shooter?:no:

Threes also result in more scoring, which means he scores more points. You can't have it both ways with the stats. And Kobe is not a good three point shooter as his three point field goal percentage indicates, he's barely better than Jordan who didn't practice them until the midpoint of his NBA career.

[stalkerforlife]

You've been reported for your offensive post.

No it isn't and no he hasn't. Advanced metrics don't help analyze basketball much at all. Why would we factor in free throw shooting when we're talking about his inefficiency from the floor? Because it's convenient for your argument because he's a great free throw shooter?:no:

Threes also result in more scoring, which means he scores more points. You can't have it both ways with the stats. And Kobe is not a good three point shooter as his three point field goal percentage indicates, he's barely better than Jordan who didn't practice them until the midpoint of his NBA career.

You're an idiot.

[B]Jordan averaged 1.316 points per field goal attempt in his career, while Kobe has averaged 1.312 points per field goal attempt

[Deuce Bigalow]

Maybe Russell and Wilt would but that's it. You don't seem to know much about basketball outside of lauding Kobe.
Kareem is missing 41 games worth of blocks from 1970-1973. And those were his first 4 years where he was the most athletic aged 22-25. He for sure would have more right now and Russell and Wilt are not a maybe, maybe you don't know so much..

[Deuce Bigalow]

You're an idiot.

Jordan averaged 1.316 points per field goal attempt in his career, while Kobe has averaged 1.312 points per field goal attempt—a difference so small in should not ever be argued against Kobe.

On average, when Jordan shot 20 times, he scored 26.3 points, while Kobe averages 26.2 points per every 20-shot attempts.

You think Michael Jordan isn't "efficient."
I compared their best 13 year stretches..

MJ (1985-93, 95-98)
age: 21-34 (no age 30)
13 seasons
930 games
31.5 ppg
23.3 fga
.518 eFG
.580 TS
1.350 points per shot attempt

Kobe (2001-2013)
age: 22-34
13 seasons
973 games
28.1 ppg
21.6 fga
.488 eFG
.557 TS
1.303 points per shot attempt

It's more like 1.35 vs 1.30 and 58% vs 56%

[Anaximandro1]

Spurs have the best contract in the NBA, Lakers have the worst

[L8krH8tr]

Kobe is a selfish rapist ball hog

[rmt]

btw did you know that Duncan is the all-time playoff leader in blocks

all-time playoff leader in defensive rebounds and double-doubles too

[Springsteen]

If Kobe was allowed to play 26 minutes a game and focus only on defense with star players and star role players surrounding him, i'm pretty sure he'd be an elite defender.

http://i.imgur.com/UB1eV.gif

Duncan is still averaging a near double-double with almost 2 blocks per game. Try again.

[pauk]

Duncan with 5 points...Spurs up 40...

But he somehow keeps moving up the all time rankings due to team success.

I agree actually, you have seen some of the light... but not entirely.... I mean doesnt this logic go against Kobe fans logic (or at least Kobetards)? If it didnt you surely wouldnt find his 1st 3 rings as meaningful/significant (especially his 1st one) as his last 2 were....

[Deuce Bigalow]

all-time playoff leader in defensive rebounds and double-doubles too
Russell and Wilt each have over 1000 more rebounds than Duncan so I'm assuming that rebounds were not tracked as offensive or defensive prior to a certain time...so Duncan really isn't the leader of that lol

We just don't know how many rebounds of Russell and Wilt were defensive or offensive.

As far as double doubles go Duncan has played so many more playoff games than KAJ, Wilt, and Magic. How about games of 30/10? Something dominant like that would be a better stat tbh but then again were talking about Duncan here..

[Dwight Shrute]

Maybe if players enjoyed playing with Kobe and he didn't run all other talent out of LA he would benefit from having good teammates like TD

[Showtime2001]

Kobe is a selfish rapist ball hog
http://s17.postimg.org/c1w8rz7lr/EVERI_Ultra_Mega_Meltdown_Artwork.jpg

[Spurs m8]

OP cut again

[DaOldLion]

Since when does 44.9% not round up to 45% :biggums: :biggums:

Kobe also shoots 45% in the playoff, Dirk shoots 46%.. wow so inefficient Kobe is

[Deuce Bigalow]

What's so impressive about a 10/10 double double?

Leaders since '84

20 pt double doubles
1. Shaq - 118
2. Karl Malone - 112
3. Duncan - 103

25 pt double doubles
1. Shaq - 88
2. Karl Malone - 75
3. Hakeem - 63
4. Duncan - 61

30 pt double doubles
1. Shaq - 49
2. Karl Malone - 42
3. LeBron - 41
4. Hakeem - 40
5. Duncan - 32

20pt/15rb games since 84
Shaq 1st, Duncan 2nd

20pt/20rb games
Shaq 1st, Barkley 2nd, Duncan 3rd

25pt/15rb
Shaq 1st, Duncan 2nd

25pt/20rb
Shaq 1st, Barkley 2nd, Duncan 3rd



Duncan of course nowhere near on top even with more games. This doesn't include KAJ and Wilt. But good job on 10/10 games doe

[Straight_Ballin]

dude, Kobe doesn't even clear 45% shooting for his career

He ranks #978 in career field goal percentage
He's like #170 among guards

He's not efficient

Dude chucked his way to 5 rings, but hit shots when it mattered despite all that Chuckin':lol

Hence the 5 rings. That's what happens when you mimic MJ but can shoot with as high of efficiency. You win less.

If he was more efficient, we're talking 7 rings.

[Spurs m8]

Kobe could have had this if he was as smart and good as Duncan at basketball.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe could have had this if he was as smart and good as Duncan at basketball.
Kobe 4-2 :sleeping

[AirBonner]

Kobe is #1 in one category. Missed field goals.

[Gileraracer]

Only a retard would try to compare Kobe and Duncan.

Totally different style of play. Totally different role in their teams.

[Alamо]

If Kobe were in this situation he would have destroyed the Spurs internally years ago. That's the biggest difference between Kobe and Duncan. Kobe is the Cancer, Duncan is the cure

[Alamо]

If Kobe was allowed to play 26 minutes a game and focus only on defense with star players and star role players surrounding him, i'm pretty sure he'd be an elite defender.

Kobe would never accept that position. If he had the chance to fit into a role to help his team achieve success, he would instead chuck them into oblivion

[HOoopCityJones]

What's so impressive about a 10/10 double double?

Leaders since '84

20 pt double doubles
1. Shaq - 118
2. Karl Malone - 112
3. Duncan - 103

25 pt double doubles
1. Shaq - 88
2. Karl Malone - 75
3. Hakeem - 63
4. Duncan - 61

30 pt double doubles
1. Shaq - 49
2. Karl Malone - 42
3. LeBron - 41
4. Hakeem - 40
5. Duncan - 32

20pt/15rb games since 84
Shaq 1st, Duncan 2nd

20pt/20rb games
Shaq 1st, Barkley 2nd, Duncan 3rd

25pt/15rb
Shaq 1st, Duncan 2nd

25pt/20rb
Shaq 1st, Barkley 2nd, Duncan 3rd



Duncan of course nowhere near on top even with more games. This doesn't include KAJ and Wilt. But good job on 10/10 games doe


Good God, stop you're killing them!!!

[Andrei89]

What's so impressive about a 10/10 double double?

Leaders since '84

20 pt double doubles
1. Shaq - 118
2. Karl Malone - 112
3. Duncan - 103

25 pt double doubles
1. Shaq - 88
2. Karl Malone - 75
3. Hakeem - 63
4. Duncan - 61

30 pt double doubles
1. Shaq - 49
2. Karl Malone - 42
3. LeBron - 41
4. Hakeem - 40
5. Duncan - 32

20pt/15rb games since 84
Shaq 1st, Duncan 2nd

20pt/20rb games
Shaq 1st, Barkley 2nd, Duncan 3rd

25pt/15rb
Shaq 1st, Duncan 2nd

25pt/20rb
Shaq 1st, Barkley 2nd, Duncan 3rd



Duncan of course nowhere near on top even with more games. This doesn't include KAJ and Wilt. But good job on 10/10 games doe

Holy shit Shaq is such a legend

[dhsilv]

If Kobe was allowed to play 26 minutes a game and focus only on defense with star players and star role players surrounding him, i'm pretty sure he'd be an elite defender.

at 39? He can barely get up and down the court right now...

[rmt]

What's so impressive about a 10/10 double double?

But good job on 10/10 games doe

If it were so easy, why didn't more players do it then?

[Alamо]

Holy shit Shaq is such a legend



This. If Duncan played with the most dominant center of all time they'd have 12+ rings together.

[dhsilv]

What's so impressive about a 10/10 double double?

Leaders since '84

20 pt double doubles
1. Shaq - 118
2. Karl Malone - 112
3. Duncan - 103

25 pt double doubles
1. Shaq - 88
2. Karl Malone - 75
3. Hakeem - 63
4. Duncan - 61

30 pt double doubles
1. Shaq - 49
2. Karl Malone - 42
3. LeBron - 41
4. Hakeem - 40
5. Duncan - 32

20pt/15rb games since 84
Shaq 1st, Duncan 2nd

20pt/20rb games
Shaq 1st, Barkley 2nd, Duncan 3rd

25pt/15rb
Shaq 1st, Duncan 2nd

25pt/20rb
Shaq 1st, Barkley 2nd, Duncan 3rd



Duncan of course nowhere near on top even with more games. This doesn't include KAJ and Wilt. But good job on 10/10 games doe

You seem to under value playing more games.

You also are missing the value of defense and instead want to focus on points scored far more than would make sense. Perhaps because they're easier numbers, beats me.

As for a new double double this year, he's freaking 39 years old and is playing great. Just enjoy the ride.

[Odinn]

Duncan is 39 and will be 40 when playoffs are here. So, what's the shame on this?

[SCdac]

Duncan is 39 and will be 40 when playoffs are here. So, what's the shame on this?

Haters gonna hate.

Kobe stans over the last few seasons have become even more insecure than usual and as Kobe leaves the league in such an uneventful way, missing the playoffs again and leaving behind a shitty Lakers team, Kobe stans are reaching full meltdown mode.

[AirBonner]

Haters gonna hate.

Kobe stans over the last few seasons have become even more insecure than usual and as Kobe leaves the league in such an uneventful way, missing the playoffs again and leaving behind a shitty Lakers team, Kobe stans are reaching full meltdown mode.
This. While Duncan leaves the league the way he entered it. An nba champion. :cheers:

[Springsteen]

This. While Duncan leaves the league the way he entered it. An nba champion. :cheers:

Don't worry, they've got the Curry bandwagon to hop on. :lol

[AirFederer]

Kobe would kill team chemistry, sharing and taking pay cuts to attract FAs instantly :lol

[DMAVS41]

Haters gonna hate.

Kobe stans over the last few seasons have become even more insecure than usual and as Kobe leaves the league in such an uneventful way, missing the playoffs again and leaving behind a shitty Lakers team, Kobe stans are reaching full meltdown mode.

:applause:

[rmt]

Kobe would kill team chemistry, sharing and taking pay cuts to attract FAs instantly :lol

AirFederer, what do you think of Fed playing singles, doubles and mixed doubles in Rio? He's gonna kill himself playing 3 events.

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

Nothing wrong with liking Steph. So Duncan stans have to stop making it a negative thing. All OP is saying is that Duncan has been on of if not the most fortunate players in NBA history by being in such a system where he never has to worry about injury due to poor coaching and mismanagement. I honestly hope and wish that Steph has this type of longevity but with more offensive impact than duncan. I hope Steve Kerrs system is here to stay and mirrors Pops the way he keeps surrounding the key players with weapons. It might be wishful thinking but I would love to see a 37 year old Steph with a 35 year old Klay and 33 year old Barnes.

Barnes is out another week because of caution which is a great move.
but don't act like Tim has not has not been fortunate to not have knuckleheads above him.

[Rocketswin2013]

He's the best defender in the league right now. His point totals mean nothing, especially on a team with so many weapons.

[Springsteen]

All OP is saying is that Duncan has been on of if not the most fortunate players in NBA history by being in such a system where he never has to worry about injury due to poor coaching and mismanagement.

I hear you. Mismanagment and poor coaching made Kobe sign that contract. It's also making him shoot 25+ shots per game.

Poor guy. :confusedshrug:

[GoSpursGo1984]

So you are complaining about Duncan scoring 5 points in one game when Kobe has been shooting 32% this season?