Don't believe the NBA creates stars?? Then why does Wiggins have more FTA than LeBron

[PleezeBelieve]

... in one less game played at that :oldlol:


Games played:

Wiggins: 13

LeBron: 14


Free throw attempts:

Wiggins: 104

LeBron: 102


Very obvious the league is pushing Wiggins. There is no way Wiggins should ever have near the same amount of free throws as LeBron, let alone more.

[PleezeBelieve]

League trying their best to keep Wiggins FG% above 40% :oldlol:

Those highlights y'all be posting shows time after time how he gets ghost calls and yet no one says shit :roll:

[Dresta]

Lebron is an old man who has no business getting as many fts as Wiggins.

[SyRyanYang]

Why does Curry barely get any calls for being held all the time?

[Achilleas]

they help him,he can't shoot fts :no:

[PJR]

Dion Waiters

[kennethgriffin]

lebron isnt as good at driving the ball anymore..


hes slower, shys away from contact more so these days. he cant just rise up over people anymore. he needs a clear lane in order to dunk now


meanwhile wiggins possesses a spin move lebrons never had

and wiggins has a springy leaping ability in which he can jump over any defender before they knew he was coming

wiggins also invites contact and goes into the chest of defenders while lebron trys to manoeuvre a side angle banking layup

[Quickening]

lebron isnt as good at driving the ball anymore..


hes slower, shys away from contact more so these days. he cant just rise up over people anymore. he needs a clear lane in order to dunk now


meanwhile wiggins possesses a spin move lebrons never had

and wiggins has a springy leaping ability in which he can jump over any defender before they knew he was coming

wiggins also invites contact and goes into the chest of defenders while lebron trys to manoeuvre a side angle banking layup

And despite being a non athletic coward with little basketball skills is averaging 26,7,7 on 52% shooting :lol

[veilside23]

wiggins actually has a post game at this early of his career lebron on the other hand creates for his team mates. Wiggins is not on the same level with lebron when it comes to passing.

[OmniStrife]

What the hell does FTA has to do with "creating a star"?
Bron just cruising as he should since it's way too soon for him to go constantly inside and draw fouls.

[kennethgriffin]

And despite being a non athletic coward with little basketball skills is averaging 26,7,7 on 52% shooting :lol


thats pretty good i guess. but not steph curry type good

[Quickening]

thats pretty good i guess. but not steph curry type good

Better than kobe prime numbers though :lol

Oh and coupled with elite defence :bowdown:

[kennethgriffin]

Better than kobe prime numbers though :lol

Oh and coupled with elite defence :bowdown:


no it isnt

1 more rebound and 2 more assists is better than 9 more points?


on what planet


and prime kobe was 1st team all defense. lebron fell short of that last year

[kennethgriffin]

and kobes had 10 years in which he scored more than lebrons current average...

which is sad considering lebrons 30 and isnt even playing with kyrie


and lol@ a 6-9 260 pound power forward averaging 7 rpg

[Quickening]

no it isnt

1 more rebound and 2 more assists is better than 9 more points?


on what planet

9 more points? Kobe best season is 35 ppg on 5, 5 on 45 percent shooting.

8 more points, 2 less rebounds, 2 less assists, 7 percent worse shooting from field and zero defence.

Lebron> Kobe


and kobes had 10 years in which he scored more than lebrons current average...

which is sad considering lebrons 30 and isnt even playing with kyrie



Lebron average more ppg on better efficency over his career, in the playoffs and in finals.

Check mate

[kennethgriffin]

9 more points? Kobe best season is 35 ppg on 5, 5 on 45 percent shooting.

8 more points, 2 less rebounds, 2 less assists, 7 percent worse shooting from field and zero defence.

Lebron> Kobe

Lebron average more ppg on better efficency over his career, in the playoffs and in finals.

Check mate


lebrons averaging 25.8

kobe averaged 35.4

your math is horrendous



is this bringing back old memories of when i used to debate with lebron fans?

i guess i can turn back the clock and take one more soul


btw whats lebrons career high... didnt kobe break that shit in 3 quarters


2 for 6

[kennethgriffin]

http://shazereverquar.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/240px_shazer-everquar-check-mates-the-jews.gif

[Quickening]

I win :lol :roll:

Go back on Curry bandwagon, Kobe story is finished and Lebrons surpassed him :applause:

[kennethgriffin]

kobe 2nd option stats in 2001 = 29/7/6 ( pre rule change )

lebron 1st option stats in 2016 = 26/7/7 ( soft rules )




kobe with handcuffs on averaged better numbers

[kennethgriffin]

I win :lol :roll:

Go back on Curry bandwagon, Kobe story is finished and Lebrons surpassed him :applause:


its funny how the kobe story ended the same time as lebrons

[Quickening]

Second option. :lol

RIP

[kennethgriffin]

curry = 33/6/5 on 51%, 44%, 94%

westbrook = 28/10/8 on 47%, 33%, 83%

durant = 28/7/3 on 55%, 45%, 90%

lebron = 26/7/7 on 52%, 31%, 63%





lol@ lebron not even being a top 3 player anymore at age 30

[kennethgriffin]

Second option. :lol

RIP


exactly.. how is it kobe averaged a better line without even getting the 1st look on offense up the floor


:lol


lebron as second option averaged 17ppg or some shit.. remember 2011

[Quickening]

curry = 33/6/5 on 51%, 44%, 94%

westbrook = 28/10/8 on 47%, 33%, 83%

durant = 28/7/3 on 55%, 45%, 90%

lebron = 26/7/7 on 52%, 31%, 63%





lol@ lebron not even being a top 3 player anymore at age 30

Kobe age 30 - 27/5/5 on 46, 35 and 85. Shit defence


:roll: :lol

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe age 30 - 27/5/5 on 46, 35 and 85. Shit defence


:roll: :lol


a) a 6-6 shooting guard that weighs 205 pounds averaging 5 rebounds is just as if not more impressive than a 6-9, 260 pound power forward averaging 7 rebounds

b) 27 is more than 26

c) 2009 was one of kobes best defensive years. well before his reputation defensive selection in 2012.... kobe was a nearly unanimous 1st team all defender. lebron isnt even part of that elite company anymore

d) kobes points per shot was 1.30 that season. lebrons points per shot right now is 1.33 ... big deal

e) isnt that the year kobe won the nba title and finals mvp while lebron choked against the magic trying to do too much and going against what gave his team the #1 record in the league

f) how does it feel to be a fan of a 30 year old that isnt even a top 3 player anymore





and btw.. kobe dropped lebrons career high ( 61 ) during that year.... will lebron ever even hit 50+ again?

[bobopenguin]

Free Throw Attempts
1. James Harden ▪ HOU 156
2. DeMar DeRozan ▪ TOR 139
3. Russell Westbrook ▪ OKC 127
4. DeMarcus Cousins ▪ SAC 108
5. Andrew Wiggins ▪ MIN 104
6. LeBron James ▪ CLE 102

if u wanna talk about FT, u gotta include this guy's name.

[04mzwach]

Watch a wolves game and come back to me, OP.

[STATUTORY]

Better than kobe prime numbers though :lol

Oh and coupled with elite defence :bowdown:

30 year old kobe shits on 30 year old lebron

but ur right 30 year old lebron > current post achilles 20 year in the league old kobe

[Quickening]

30 year old kobe shits on 30 year old lebron

but ur right 30 year old lebron > current post achilles 20 year in the league old kobe

nope :lol

[HurricaneKid]

Why does Curry barely get any calls for being held all the time?

Curry's FTs/36 are up 40% from his previous career high. Are you seriously watching these games thinking he isn't getting enough calls? Like that DJ block? No one else in the league gets that call.

[ShawkFactory]

a) a 6-6 shooting guard that weighs 205 pounds averaging 5 rebounds is just as if not more impressive than a 6-9, 260 pound power forward averaging 7 rebounds

b) 27 is more than 26

c) 2009 was one of kobes best defensive years. well before his reputation defensive selection in 2012.... kobe was a nearly unanimous 1st team all defender. lebron isnt even part of that elite company anymore

d) kobes points per shot was 1.30 that season. lebrons points per shot right now is 1.33 ... big deal

e) isnt that the year kobe won the nba title and finals mvp while lebron choked against the magic trying to do too much and going against what gave his team the #1 record in the league

f) how does it feel to be a fan of a 30 year old that isnt even a top 3 player anymore





and btw.. kobe dropped lebrons career high ( 61 ) during that year.... will lebron ever even hit 50+ again?
What gave his team the best record in the league was him dominating every game. Hence why he was the overwhelming MVP choice.

[feyki]

9 more points? Kobe best season is 35 ppg on 5, 5 on 45 percent shooting.

8 more points, 2 less rebounds, 2 less assists, 7 percent worse shooting from field and zero defence.

Lebron> Kobe




Lebron average more ppg on better efficency over his career, in the playoffs and in finals.

Check mate

2008-2010 Kobe > 12-14 Lebron

1999-2003 Kobe > 2005-2008 Lebron

Lebron has peak for his 2009 season . Lebron has also better consistency for their primes . Other point ; Kobe has longevity for his between 99-14 .

[Quickening]

2008-2010 Kobe > 12-14 Lebron

1999-2003 Kobe > 2005-2008 Lebron

Lebron has peak for his 2009 season . Lebron has also better consistency for their primes . Other point ; Kobe has longevity for his between 99-14 .

Nice alt, now fck off :roll:

[ShawkFactory]

2008-2010 Kobe > 12-14 Lebron

1999-2003 Kobe > 2005-2008 Lebron

Lebron has peak for his 2009 season . Lebron has also better consistency for their primes . Other point ; Kobe has longevity for his between 99-14 .
Nah

[HurricaneKid]

2008-2010 Kobe > 12-14 Lebron

1999-2003 Kobe > 2005-2008 Lebron

Lebron has peak for his 2009 season . Lebron has also better consistency for their primes . Other point ; Kobe has longevity for his between 99-14 .

I might be able to allow the second one. But the first one is so absurdly comical it makes the entire post irrelevant.

[LikeMike]

... in one less game played at that :oldlol:


Games played:

Wiggins: 13

LeBron: 14


Free throw attempts:

Wiggins: 104

LeBron: 102


Very obvious the league is pushing Wiggins. There is no way Wiggins should ever have near the same amount of free throws as LeBron, let alone more.

Agreed. LeBron was fabricated.

[feyki]

2008-2010 Kobe (playoffs 100 poss stats) ;

38.6 pts , 7.3 rib , 7.1 ast , 2 stl , 0.9 blk , 4 to , %57 TS , opp avr SRS - 4.79

2012-2014 Lebron ;

37.4 pts , 11.3 rib , 7.6 ast , 2.4 stl , 0.9 blk , 4.3 to , %60.4 TS , opp avr SRS - 2.58

[ShawkFactory]

2008-2010 Kobe (playoffs 100 poss stats) ;

38.6 pts , 7.3 rib , 7.1 ast , 2 stl , 0.9 blk , 4 to , %57 TS , opp avr SRS - 4.79

2012-2014 Lebron ;

37.4 pts , 11.3 rib , 7.6 ast , 2.4 stl , 0.9 blk , 4.3 to , %60.4 TS , opp avr SRS - 2.58
Doesn't look much like a > to me

[feyki]

Doesn't look much like a > to me

With the opponents margin ?

[ArbitraryWater]

With the opponents margin ?

Irrelevant.

2012-2014 Bron shits on 2008-2010 Kobe..

hell, 2009 and 2010 Bron shits on 2009 and 2010 Kobe.

[ShawkFactory]

They can't help who they play against. Just because Kobe played better teams (not defenses btw) doesn't mean that he was automatically better.

[feyki]

They can't help who they play against. Just because Kobe played better teams (not defenses btw) doesn't mean that he was automatically better.

I do explain my argue ..

Kobe faced 110 offensive rating teams on defence and 104.5 defensive rating teams on offence at between 08-10 .

Lebron faced 105.5 offensive rating teams on defence and 102.4 defensive rating teams on offence at between 12-14 .

Kobe has huge defensive margin against Lebron for me . Lebron slightly better on offence. And total impacts goes to Kobe for me .

[Levity]

i agree with OP. the NBA doing everything they can to get lou williams that star treatment in limited minutes. 65-77

[FireDavidKahn]

...Do you watch Wiggins play? He LIVES in the paint...

[LoneyROY7]

OP stays getting shit on by Wiggins. Averaging 22 ppg at 20 years old. PB is so f*cking salty.

[FireDavidKahn]

OP stays getting shit on by Wiggins. Averaging 22 ppg at 20 years old. PB is so f*cking salty.
NoobCake has probably slit his wrists by now.:oldlol:

[JT123]

Quickening DESTROYED Kenneth in the thread! Lord have mercy :roll:

[GoatBoy]

Dumb thread

[aj1987]

btw whats lebrons career high... didnt kobe break that shit in 3 quarters


2 for 6
RS and getting carried. :oldlol:

50 point games in the PO's:

Kobe - 1
LeBron - 0

45 point games in the PO's:

Kobe - 5
LeBron - 7

40 point games in the PO's:

Kobe - 13
LeBron -15

40 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 1
LeBron - 3

35 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 4
LeBron - 6

30 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 13
LeBron - 12

Games played in the PO's:

Kobe - 220
LeBron - 178

Games played in the Finals:

Kobe - 38
LeBron - 32

Kobe from '00-'13 (minus his bench years and injury years):

RS - 27.4 PPG on 55.6% TS
PO's - 27.4 PPG on 54.2% TS

LeBron throughout his career:

RS - 27.3 PPG on 58.1% TS
PO's - 28.2 PPG on 56.5% TS

Since 2001, Kobe on average played in 67.6 games per season. Over that period, he averaged 16.5 jump shots a game and made 6.5 at 40% (rest of his shots at 64%). This is basically from the start of Kobe's prime.

Since 2004, LeBron on average played in 76 games a season. Over that period, he averaged 12.7 jump shots a game and made 5.2 at 41% (rest of his shots at 65%). This includes LeBron's rookie season, BTW.

tl;dr - LeBron makes 5.2 jumpshots a game @ 41% and Kobe make 6.5 @ 40%.

[Sportal]

Lol, OP bashed Wiggins the whole of last season.. Now Wiggins is doing good he posts this...

Shook af. Are you a Cavs fan, or K.Love fan, or what? I don't get your angle in all of this, lol. Did he take your lunch money in a pick up game at school or something?

[JerrySeinfeld]

Because LeBron is a known flopper, giving him less of the benefit of doubt on close calls.

[JT123]

RS and getting carried. :oldlol:

50 point games in the PO's:

Kobe - 1
LeBron - 0

45 point games in the PO's:

Kobe - 5
LeBron - 7

40 point games in the PO's:

Kobe - 13
LeBron -15

40 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 1
LeBron - 3

35 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 4
LeBron - 6

30 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 13
LeBron - 12

Games played in the PO's:

Kobe - 220
LeBron - 178

Games played in the Finals:

Kobe - 38
LeBron - 32

Kobe from '00-'13 (minus his bench years and injury years):

RS - 27.4 PPG on 55.6% TS
PO's - 27.4 PPG on 54.2% TS

LeBron throughout his career:

RS - 27.3 PPG on 58.1% TS
PO's - 28.2 PPG on 56.5% TS

Since 2001, Kobe on average played in 67.6 games per season. Over that period, he averaged 16.5 jump shots a game and made 6.5 at 40% (rest of his shots at 64%). This is basically from the start of Kobe's prime.

Since 2004, LeBron on average played in 76 games a season. Over that period, he averaged 12.7 jump shots a game and made 5.2 at 41% (rest of his shots at 65%). This includes LeBron's rookie season, BTW.

tl;dr - LeBron makes 5.2 jumpshots a game @ 41% and Kobe make 6.5 @ 40%.
RIP Kenneth

[Quickening]

RIP Kenneth
:applause: :cheers:

[Ass Dan]

... in one less game played at that :oldlol:


Games played:

Wiggins: 13

LeBron: 14


Free throw attempts:

Wiggins: 104

LeBron: 102


Very obvious the league is pushing Wiggins. There is no way Wiggins should ever have near the same amount of free throws as LeBron, let alone more.

So the NBA created the LeBron as a star model and now that he is laps behind Curry in skill and production they are throwing him in the trash heap?