Preseason: Miami Heat vs Washington Wizards 8PM ESPN

[Papaya Petee]

Nationally televised game between my favorite and 2nd favorite team

No Winslow tonight.

GO HEAT!

[LoneyROY7]

Who's the SF starter for the Heat? Are they gonna go with Deng?

[Thesmallmamba]

GO Wizards! :applause:

[Meticode]

Is Winslow hurt?

[Meticode]

Who's the SF starter for the Heat? Are they gonna go with Deng?
I don't see why they wouldn't start Deng straight up. Winslow would probably have to be way over step his expectations to get that spot from a professional like Deng.

[DoctorP]

No, It's Spoelstra holding him out because Spo is the softest coach in the league now. :lol

Winslow needs more recovery time to heal from his general soreness.

[DoctorP]

Wade/Dragic neeed 10000000 reps

[Papaya Petee]

Is Winslow hurt?
Appereantly resting leg tightness nothing serious.

Dragic, Wade, Deng, Bosh , Whiteside starting.

[DoctorP]

Appereantly resting leg tightness nothing serious.

Dragic, Wade, Deng, Bosh , Whiteside starting.


Good, they need the reps. They need to go hard.

[GrapeApe]

Good, they need the reps. They need to go hard.

They need to work on finding and establishing their identity, especially with Whiteside back. I'd like to see crisp ball movement, low turnovers, and good defensive rotations. I don't expect big minutes from any of the core guys though.

[DoctorP]

They need to work on finding and establishing their identity, especially with Whiteside back. I'd like to see crisp ball movement, low turnovers, and good defensive rotations. I don't expect big minutes from any of the core guys though.

I want to see scoring and at least 1 good half of smart, entertaining team basketball. No excuses and no heavy lifting by anyone needed. Just good ball.

[GrapeApe]

I want to see scoring and at least 1 good half of smart, entertaining team basketball. No excuses and no heavy lifting by anyone needed. Just good ball.

Agreed.

[DoctorP]

ugh.

[GrapeApe]

Man, Dragic needs to get it going. He's really struggled thus far in the preseason. Foul trouble for Whiteside still looks to be an issue.

[WadeStan]

Bosh is shaking off the rust so I'm not worried about him. But why can't Dragic shoot ?

[LoneyROY7]

Miami getting SAUCED.

[LoneyROY7]

Hope Wall can put together a 20-10 season this year.

[GrapeApe]

McRoberts sighting!

[WadeStan]

Bench is more exciting than the starters tbh... if only Johnson were 3 inches taller

[Megabox!]

Hope Wall can put together a 20-10 season this year.
Wall and Beal are going to be nice this season.

[DoctorP]

Green looks excellent this preseason. He's in his prime.

[WadeStan]

Green looks excellent this preseason. He's in his prime.

Blocking shots and jumping out of the arena like wade once could :cry:

[DoctorP]

http://i.imgur.com/hgWGunC.gif

[GrapeApe]

Green looks excellent this preseason. He's in his prime.

I'm not sue why you're so enamored with Green. :confusedshrug:

Yes he's played well, but if he was starting you'd be begging for him to be back on the bench after about 2 games lol. He's a terrible passer and ball handler, he has no playmaking ability, no on-court intelligence, and poor shot selection. He's a chucker, but he IS capable of hot stretches and instant offense, exactly what we need on our bench.

[DoctorP]

I'm not sue why you're so enamored with Green. :confusedshrug:

Yes he's played well, but if he was starting you'd be begging for him to be back on the bench after about 2 games lol. He's a terrible passer and ball handler, he has no playmaking ability, no on-court intelligence, and poor shot selection. He's a chucker, but he IS capable of hot stretches and instant offense, exactly what we need on our bench.

Because he is playing well.

[LoneyROY7]

Justise will usurp Deng as the starter at some point this season. Miami will need his athleticism and energy on defense.

[FreezingTsmoove]

McRob just creates amazing court chemistry. Best passing big man in the game

Highest plus minus on the Heat so far this game

[LoneyROY7]

Miami SAUCIN'.

[DoctorP]

Loving the effort here at the end of the half. Whiteside pushing.

[GrapeApe]

Because he is playing well.

Yes he is, and let's hope it continues.

Nice second quarter for the Heat.

:applause:

[LoneyROY7]

Wade has looked quick and spry so far this preseason.

[DoctorP]

Yes he is, and let's hope it continues.

Nice second quarter for the Heat.

:applause:

I'm telling anyone that will listen that Green should start and Wade hit the bench. The starters need the spacing that Green provides.

[GrapeApe]

McRob just creates amazing court chemistry. Best passing big man in the game

Highest plus minus on the Heat so far this game

He could be the x-factor that no one is really talking about. I've always liked his game and he was just starting to ball last season before getting hurt.

[LoneyROY7]

I'm telling anyone that will listen that Green should start and Wade hit the bench. The starters need the spacing that Green provides.

:roll:

[DoctorP]

:roll:

whats so funny, dork?

[GrapeApe]

I'm telling anyone that will listen that Green should start and Wade hit the bench. The starters need the spacing that Green provides.

No, just no. As I've mentioned countless times, he's a low IQ player with a limited skill set. His shooting is nowhere near enough to offset the other problems he'd cause as a starter. I'm a Heat fan first and foremost, and if I thought the team would be better with him starting I'd be 100% for it. I'm obviously not going to change your mind though so I guess I'll let it go.

[DoctorP]

No, just no. As I've mentioned countless times, he's a low IQ player with a limited skill set. His shooting is nowhere near enough to offset the other problems he'd cause as a starter. I'm a Heat fan first and foremost, and If I thought the team would be better with him starting I'd be 100% for it. I'm obviously not going to change your mind though so I guess I'll let it go.

Yeah because the starting group is doing so well right now. Take the past and all of it's baggage out of your decision-making.

[LoneyROY7]

whats so funny, dork?

Your shockingly low basketball IQ August 2015.

[DoctorP]

Your shockingly low basketball IQ Mr. Aug 2015.

Funny, I was thinking the same thing about you.

[LoneyROY7]

Funny, I was thinking the same thing about you.

Fantastic comeback, kid.

[DoctorP]

Fantastic comeback, kid.

just shut up

[LoneyROY7]

just shut up

:yaohappy:

[DoctorP]

:yaohappy:

https://media.giphy.com/media/sOVueselOTje8/giphy.gif

[Thesmallmamba]

I'm telling anyone that will listen that Green should start and Wade hit the bench. The starters need the spacing that Green provides.

100% agree

Wade stopped being starter material since around 2013


Its time he realizes it.

[GrapeApe]

100% agree

Wade stopped being starter material since around 2013


Its time he realizes it.

So 22/5/4 on 47% is no longer starter material in this league? That's far better than Green's career best season.

[TrueBlue89]

Miami are stacked. No excuses.

[DoctorP]

deleted. double post.

[DoctorP]

So 22/5/4 on 47% is no longer starter material in this league? That's far better than Green's career best season.


Being a starter is a token label. Wade has nothing to prove. Look at what Manu and Ray Allen were able to accomplish in the 6th man role. If the starters continue to struggle that looks like a natural adjustment.

[aj1987]

I hope Wade and Dragic find their groove.

[GrapeApe]

Yeah because the starting group is doing so well right now. Take the past and all of it's baggage out of your decision-making.

What past baggage? I gave legitimate, tangible basketball reasons why Green shouldn't start. It's not like I said "Wade is our franchise player, he brought us our first title, he deserves to start, blah blah". I'm not sure what you're talking about. I want the Heat to be a good team, long-term for the season, and Green starting is not a good recipe for long-term success.

[fragokota]

Terrible start in the 3rd. No chemistry so far.

[BasedTom]

the rebounding/2nd chance opportunities are what are pushing things out of reach. It happened very much last year. I would put Amare out there

[aj1987]

Terrible start in the 3rd. No chemistry so far.
How'd the first 2 quarters go? Missed them.

[DoctorP]

What past baggage? I gave legitimate, tangible basketball reasons why Green shouldn't start. It's not like I said "Wade is our franchise player, he brought us our first title, he deserves to start, blah blah". I'm not sure what you're talking about. I want the Heat to be a good team, long-term for the season, and Green starting is not a good recipe for long-term success.

I don't agree that the starters need what Wade has with Dragic there, they need spacing to free up Whiteside, Bosh and Deng. Both Wade's and Green's previous seasons mean nil on the court at this point.

[aj1987]

I don't agree that the starters need what Wade has with Dragic there, they need spacing to free up Whiteside, Bosh and Deng.
Dragic is not that good, dude.

[DoctorP]

Dragic is not that good, dude.

He's ok. I'm not sure he's as good as Gary Payton when he was here.

[fragokota]

How'd the first 2 quarters go? Missed them.

I liked how he closed the 2nd qt, not much else. Bosh surely needs time, don't know about Dragic, i expected him better from the beggining this year.

[k0kakw0rld]

Gerald Green playing like the 2KGOAT he is :bowdown:

[aj1987]

He's ok. I'm not sure he's as good as Gary Payton when he was here.
GP was basically done and came off the bench. If anything, Dragic coming off the bench would be better. A bench consisting of Dragic/Green/Ennis or Winslow/McBob/Birdman would be amazing. The starting lineup should be Rio/Wade/Deng/Bosh/Whiteside.

Rio/Dragic
Wade/Green/Tyler
Deng/Justise/Ennis
Bosh/McBob
Whiteside/Birdman

[DoctorP]

GP was basically done and came off the bench. If anything, Dragic coming off the bench would be better. A bench consisting of Dragic/Green/Ennis or Winslow/McBob/Birdman would be amazing. The starting lineup should be Rio/Wade/Deng/Bosh/Whiteside.

Id rather have Johnson in there more than Chalmers.

[JT123]

Miami are stacked. No excuses.
Agreed. The Heat literally have it all. Youth, Athleticism, size, and veterans who have been there before. Not making the Finals will be a HUGE failure for this roster.

[aj1987]

I want someone to punch Rio in his retarded face! Dude is flopping on literally every play.

[Thesmallmamba]

Outside of OKC, Miami is the only other team with 2 clear cut superstars in the league

No excuses

[DoctorP]

Drew Gooden with the 3. Stretch era.

[GrapeApe]

He's ok. I'm not sure he's as good as Gary Payton when he was here.

He's definitely better than GP was on the Heat, but he's been a bit underwhelming for sure. The shooting you keep talking about coming from Green needs to come from Dragic.

The bottom line is, Dragic and Wade need to develop chemistry and become the back court that was envisioned when Dragic was acquired. The only shot the Heat have at making a deep playoff run is with those guys performing at a high level together.

[DoctorP]

He's definitely better than GP was on the Heat, but he's been a bit underwhelming for sure. The shooting you keep talking about coming from Green needs to come from Dragic.

The bottom line is, Dragic and Wade need to develop chemistry and become the back court that was envisioned when Dragic was acquired. The only shot the Heat have at making a deep playoff run is with those guys performing at a high level together.

Whoever the **** can make shots should be in there

[GrapeApe]

Outside of OKC, Miami is the only other team with 2 clear cut superstars in the league

No excuses

So Wade and Bosh ARE superstars. Gotcha.

[TrueBlue89]

Agreed. The Heat literally have it all. Youth, Athleticism, size, and veterans who have been there before. Not making the Finals will be a HUGE failure for this roster.


Yep 2 superstars. Top 10 PG. Top 5 center. One of the better 3&D wings and former all star in Deng. Add in their loaded bench and 2x Championship winning coach and ECF is the minimum target.

LeBron led a much weaker team to 4 straight finals. No excuses for Wade this year.

[GrapeApe]

Yep 2 superstars. Top 10 PG. Top 5 center. One of the better 3&D wings and former all star in Deng. Add in their loaded bench and 2x Championship winning coach and ECF is the minimum target.

LeBron led a much weaker team to 4 straight finals. No excuses for Wade this year.

But you just said Wade and Bosh were superstars? If Wade is still a superstar, he must have been a MEGA superstar a few years ago.

[TrueBlue89]

Kobe would get killed if he didn't lead this Miami roster to the playoffs even in his penultimate years. No excuses for Wade.

He's still just 33. MJ and Kobe both got it done at the same age. He's regarded as a Top 3 SG of all time, about time he finally delivers.

[WadeStan]

So Wade and Bosh ARE superstars. Gotcha.

Bosh never was. Wade isn't anymore. All-stars though

Anyway that other guy is on one. Better than the teams Lebron "led?" Yeah right

[DoctorP]

you guys are all idiots. im outta here.

[WadeStan]

Kobe would get killed if he didn't lead this Miami roster to the playoffs even in his penultimate years. No excuses for Wade.

He's still just 33. MJ and Kobe both got it done at the same age. He's regarded as a Top 3 SG of all time, about time he finally delivers.

:oldlol: "finally"

[Thesmallmamba]

Yep 2 superstars. Top 10 PG. Top 5 center. One of the better 3&D wings and former all star in Deng. Add in their loaded bench and 2x Championship winning coach and ECF is the minimum target.

LeBron led a much weaker team to 4 straight finals. No excuses for Wade this year.

Agreed, biggest dissapointment in sports history if they dont win

[fragokota]

Dragic made a name for himself under a fast paced Suns team. Minutes ago Spoelstra was asked about the Heat being outscored 18-2 in fast break points. We gotta pick up the pace.

[TrueBlue89]

But you just said Wade and Bosh were superstars? If Wade is still a superstar, he must have been a MEGA superstar a few years ago.
Only going by the popular opinion on ISH. Both are widely regarded superstars on here.

[Thesmallmamba]

But you just said Wade and Bosh were superstars? .


Nope, nice try little boy


I was referring to Amare and Dragic

[aj1987]

you guys are all idiots. im outta here.
We're idiots for not wanting the teams best player on the bench?

[SAKOTXA]

I like this guy Johnson. He plays with a lot of energy

[RRR3]

Chalmers with 13 and 4 in 22 minutes? Damn GOAT backup PG

[GrapeApe]

We're idiots for not wanting the teams best player on the bench?

I'm not sure what that guy's deal is, but let's just say I'm highly skeptical.

[aj1987]

Green killing it! He has been awesome in the preseason. Hope he can carry it to the RS.

[k0kakw0rld]

Gerald Green :cheers:

[WadeStan]

Bosh can't be our best 3 point shooter. Asking him to take 4 or 5 and keep up his percentage is unsustainable. Loving what Green is doing. Maybe Dragic will wake up and we can find one more shooter in the coming months

[Thesmallmamba]

Bosh can't be our best 3 point shooter. Loving what Green is doing. Maybe Dragic will wake up and we can find one more shooter in the coming months

Blame Wade for turning Bosh into a 3 point shooter

[JT123]

Bosh never was. Wade isn't anymore. All-stars though

Anyway that other guy is on one. Better than the teams Lebron "led?" Yeah right
:wtf: Are you trolling? The Lebron teams were LITERALLY the big 3 and scrubs/players a year away from retirement. Bron would have killed to play with a pg like Dragic, or a beast big man like Whiteside! That's not even getting into the Heat's loaded bench.

[jlip]

I like the player Green has worked himself into being. He could have easily ended up as one of those one dimensional athletic freaks only known for dunking, but he has developed into a player who is offensively effective from both the mid range and the three point line.

[bluechox2]

miami starters cant keep up with washingtons bench

[aj1987]

Bosh shouldn't be taking 9 3's a game. Dude is soft AF. I know that he's rusty and came back from a major injury and it's just a preseason game, but still.

[bluechox2]

Bosh shouldn't be taking 9 3's a game. Dude is soft AF. I know that he's rusty and came back from a major injury and it's just a preseason game, but still.

just a preseason game but miami playing like its mid season and cant even keep up with a washington bench half assing it

[JT123]

Bosh shouldn't be taking 9 3's a game. Dude is soft AF. I know that he's rusty and came back from a major injury and it's just a preseason game, but still.
Wade stans throwing 22/12 big man Bosh under the bus as usual. SHOCKING! :rolleyes:

[aj1987]

Wade! Clutch AF!

[bluechox2]

john wall would have ended this long ago, had this been a regular season game

[GrapeApe]

Blame Wade for turning Bosh into a 3 point shooter

How is this guy not banned. Oh wait, he IS banned.

Anyway, this preseason has actually been pretty exciting with some entertaining games. Not that it means anything but they've beaten the Spurs, Rockets, Hawks, and Wizards.

Still plenty of works to do, but there's a lot of encouraging signs.

[RRR3]

Jesus get out of this thread trolls.


Good job Heat. can't wait to see how they do in regular season

[GrapeApe]

Wade stans throwing 22/12 big man Bosh under the bus as usual. SHOCKING! :rolleyes:

So Bosh IS a 22/12 big man. Are you going on record with that?

[bluechox2]

So Bosh IS a 22/12 big man. Are you going on record with that?

he is...check da stats

[JT123]

How is this guy not banned. Oh wait, he IS banned.

Anyway, this preseason has actually been pretty exciting with some entertaining games. Not that it means anything but they've beaten the Spurs, Rockets, Hawks, and Wizards.

Still plenty of works to do, but there's a lot of encouraging signs.
He's not banned. Why are you picking on the new guy? This forum needs more objective posters like him.

[stalkerforlife]

He's not banned. Why are you picking on the new guy? This forum needs more objective posters like him.

:lol

[ralph_i_el]

He's not banned. Why are you picking on the new guy? This forum needs more objective posters like him.

:facepalm we know it's you

[Thesmallmamba]

He's not banned. Why are you picking on the new guy? This forum needs more objective posters like him.

:lol :oldlol:


Do people always go hard on the new posters here? :confusedshrug:

[JT123]

:facepalm we know it's you
:oldlol: The Bron family got this forum confused as hell :banana:

[Thesmallmamba]

:oldlol: The Bron family got this forum confused as hell :banana:

:roll:


We're all the members of the LeBron Fam!!

[DoctorP]

"I think just looking at the film it's a little bit congested right now," Bosh said. "We get into situations where we take quick shots, especially against super talented guys like John Wall; they get into the open court it makes it extremely tough and dig ourselves a hole with every quick shot that we take. So first and foremost we have to address that.

"Really, just to get a sense of what we're going to run and what style we're going to play when we're out there. Of course we've been talking about pushing the pace and everything. But we need to get the ball where it needs to go. I think right now we're not playing together. It's early. We have to understand that. We can't get frustrated with it. That has to be a common theme. We have to continue to preach it, talk about it, look objectively at the film and be open to criticism and suggestions."