Who thinks Kaminsky is going to be really good?

[ralph_i_el]

He's a 7 footer who can put the ball on the deck, shoot from deep and midrange, and has an excellent post game. If he can play average defense, he'll be really really valuable.

[fiddy]

I dont

p.s. fuсk dat niggа mane

[gasolina]

Not being racist but they actually look alike

http://www.nba.com/nets/photos/troy_400_100920.jpg

Kidding aside, Frank the tank looks more mobile with excellent footwork

[ralph_i_el]

I dont

p.s. fuсk dat niggа mane
lol that video is hilarious. It's extra funny because now Aaron Harrison is on his team

[4 Inches]

Just another average whiteboy who got love in college because of his quirky appearance. His ceiling is a poor man's Mehmet Okur.

[ralph_i_el]

Just another average whiteboy who got love in college because of his quirky appearance. His ceiling is a poor man's Mehmet Okur.

unanimous player of the year....led his team past undefeated Kentucky (I called this with my bracket btw)

Skilled 7' players are valuable. He actually knows basketball and has offensive skills. Half the teams in the league have to roll out straight up scrubs every game at the 4/5

[GoatBoy]

MJ fcked up again :facepalm

[SwishSquared]

I think he could be a valuable bench big that can utilize his offensive skills to help sustain, and maybe build a lead. He's a guy can act as a hub on offense, especially against weaker defenders. Basically what Spencer Hawes should be have been I guess, but with more intuition + BBIQ.

I think he'll struggle as a starter unless he has a guy like Ibaka alongside him to provide rim protection and defensive mobility. I'm not convinced his footspeed will allow him to recover quickly enough in the PnR as a PF and he may be vulnerable as a defensive anchor.

I think I still would have drafted Winslow over Frank though, especially if they're going to play MKG as the nominal PF in smaller lineups this year. I didn't like the Batum trade in a vacuum and would have rolled the device with Vonleh as my young big of the future.

[HOoopCityJones]

White kids thirsty for the next Larry Bird.

[magmo68]

Rookie of the Year!

[f0und]

not "really good" but solid and dependable, like a gugliotta or something

[ShawkFactory]

Depends on how he's used. I always liked his game and think he'll be valuable at the very least.

[iamgine]

Really good...you mean like in a Monta Ellis level really good? Or better/worse?

[wally_world]

I dont think he has the athleticism and physical tools to be a full-time starter. But he'll be the first big off the bench for a championship team that can play in crunch time (over the prototypical defensive athletic center who cant shoot FTs)

[FKAri]

Better than Drummond and Cousins combined

[G-train]

not "really good" but solid and dependable, like a gugliotta or something

Googs was an allstar.
He was a really good player, and there is hardly any correlation between their game style and physical appearance.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Considering the fact that Michael Jordan drafted him, he will probably be a massive disappointment.

If any other team had drafted him I would think he may be decent, but the fact that Jordan and the Hornets drafted him basically proves that Kaminsky will be a bust.

[Coach Eddie]

Never heard of him.

[poido123]

White kids thirsty for the next Larry Bird.


:oldlol:

[bizil]

Kaminsky kind of reminds me of Jack Sikma. I think if he can come close to Sikma's peak play, the Hornets will have made a very good selection. The only thing is the Hornets have Al Jefferson at center. So the question will be how Frank's minutes are split between PF and C.

At center, his defensive shortcomings won't be as big of a deal. So Frank's is going to HAVE to hang his hat on points and rebounds. Hopefully he's productive enough in those areas to supercede his defense.

[bizil]

Googs was an allstar.
He was a really good player, and there is hardly any correlation between their game style and physical appearance.

I agree! Googs back in the day was a PF whose secondary position was SF. Peak Googs was getting 21 points, 9 boards, and 4 dimes a night. He was another guy who got caught by the injury bug. If it wasn't for that, he would have been a multiple time All Star. Big Frank is a C-PF kind of player. More Sikma like that a Googs.

[Lebron23]

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[f0und]

Googs was an allstar.
He was a really good player, and there is hardly any correlation between their game style and physical appearance.

thats what i mean. i could see frank peaking as an allstar once or twice. but overall just a solid dependable player. thats the correlation i was getting at, and also because they're both white. lol

[SHAQisGOAT]

Don't think he's gonna be all that but we'll see...



Kaminsky kind of reminds me of Jack Sikma. I think if he can come close to Sikma's peak play, the Hornets will have made a very good selection. The only thing is the Hornets have Al Jefferson at center. So the question will be how Frank's minutes are split between PF and C.

At center, his defensive shortcomings won't be as big of a deal. So Frank's is going to HAVE to hang his hat on points and rebounds. Hopefully he's productive enough in those areas to supercede his defense.

Hmmm... Similar body types and size, plus similar scoring skill-set BUT from what I've seen so far, Kaminsky ain't even seeing Sikma on the passing department, and Jack was an elite defender at his peak (probably the best choice for DPOY in 1982), while I HIGHLY doubt Frank is even getting close to that level on D, even as far as rebounding...

[DoctorP]

White people will only be compared to white people.

[90sgoat]

Kaminsky looks to have the skill set for the modern league. If this guy was black, the media and fans would probably rave about his range and skill set.

What he does need to do is become a tough defender or the Hornets will have a really bad rim protection. Jefferson-Kaminsky is a pretty good on paper inside out duo.

Worst case scenario is another Keith Van Horn. Kaminsky needs to get tough, even with all the black racism in the NBA (like how Steven Adams gets bullied).

Put him on a good team like Hawks or Spurs, then he could fit well.

[chips93]

if he was on a team with better ball movement, or better passers/ creators i'd be a lot higher on him.

if he could be a 2nd/3rd option and just shoot jumpers, attack closeouts, and post up when he has a size advantage, he'd be a lot more valuable.

if he has to create for himself he's in trouble.

[bizil]

Don't think he's gonna be all that but we'll see...




Hmmm... Similar body types and size, plus similar scoring skill-set BUT from what I've seen so far, Kaminsky ain't even seeing Sikma on the passing department, and Jack was an elite defender at his peak (probably the best choice for DPOY in 1982), while I HIGHLY doubt Frank is even getting close to that level on D, even as far as rebounding...

I agree! And that's why I said kind of like Sikma. I meant in terms of the scoring aspects. And he likely won't be as good as Sikma. But in terms of potential upside, I think eventually getting 17 points and 8-9 boards a night would be a success for Frank.

MJ and the Hornets would be happy if Frank could reach that that production at his peak. Peak Sikma was getting 18-20 points, 11-13 boards, and 4 dimes. Frank won't be that good. But in terms of his scoring skillset, he could do some things similar to Jack.

[Hey Yo]

Here's the Insider on him:
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Frank Kaminsky
Position: Forward
Experience: Rookie
2015 draft profile

Scouting report
+ Slow, skilled big man who can score from anywhere
+ Perhaps best post-up big man in draft but questions about strength and defense
+ Contrary to popular belief, he is not Dirk Nowitzki

Analysis
Kaminsky was not just a good shooter at Wisconsin, he was a great one. In a league that's tilting beyond the arc, Kaminsky shot 41.6 percent of his 3s last season for the Badgers, drilling them at a high rate especially at the top of the key. The Hornets fill a need there for sure.

But the worry is Kaminsky isn't strong enough to stick it with NBA-level bigs. He'll turn 23 years old this upcoming season, so he's not just beginning to fill out his frame like the others in his draft class. He finished among the most efficient high-volume post-up players in the NCAA last season, according to Synergy Sports tracking, but you have to wonder if that lofty ranking was more seniority or skill.

He will be tested at the NBA level from the get-go. With Cody Zeller recovering from shoulder surgery, Noah Vonleh being sent to Portland and Bismack Biyombo going north to the Raptors, there's every opportunity for Kaminsky to defy Michael Jordan's ugly track record of drafting bigs

[JohnnySic]

I have a feeling he'll be one of those big white guys who teases with nice numbers his first few years and then fades into role player oblivion.

[kshutts1]

White people will only be compared to white people.
Pretty much, but in general the play styles are the same.

The average white player in the league is not nearly as athletic as the average black player in the league. How does every player in the entire world compensate for lack of athleticism? Generally by being a good shooter, trying harder, and moving without the ball.

It's not racism, it's not rocket science. It's players adapting to strengths.

[StephHamann]

Who thinks Kaminsky is going to be really good?


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[ralph_i_el]

A good shooting big opens up the offense
A good passing big unlocks the offense

Kaminsky can be both. We saw McRobert's impact on this team as a floor spacer/ball mover.

I'm not saying he's going to be a hall of famer, but something like 16/9/4 on good %'s seems reasonable, and he's going to be able to play on offense late in games unlike a lot of other bigs who can't shoot free throws.

[Levity]

Kaminsky has the skillset GMs and coaches look for in todays league. But i dont think him and big gay al are a perfect fit. at least not long term. If youre going to play Kaminsky at 4, ideally, youd want a rim protector with a knack for help defense, behind him. A Larry Sanders type of player could hide a lot of his defensive deficiency's.

We'll see how MJ and company approach upcoming drafts and free agency

[bizil]

When it comes to comparing players of the same race to each other, it's not always the case when u think about it. For example, Steph Curry reminds me the most of Nash and Mark Price. When it comes to being a true alpha shooter-scorer at the SF, Durant reminds me of Bird often times. KD even said Bird is his favorite old school player. Magic Johnson's passing (not overall game wise) reminds me a lot of Pistol Pete. Duncan's craftiness on the block reminds me more of a bigger Kevin Mchale than anybody.

Scottie Pippen's all around game from the SF was ACTUALLY the most similar to a Hondo at that time. I can go on and on. But if look deep, u can find SEVERAL EXAMPLES where a player reminds u of a player from another race. The MAIN THING is the athletic ability in certain situations can take things to another level. But in terms of skillset and results, u can find several examples.

[Big_Dogg]

Ryan Kelly 2.0 :lol

[SwishSquared]

A good shooting big opens up the offense
A good passing big unlocks the offense

Kaminsky can be both. We saw McRobert's impact on this team as a floor spacer/ball mover.

I'm not saying he's going to be a hall of famer, but something like 16/9/4 on good %'s seems reasonable, and he's going to be able to play on offense late in games unlike a lot of other bigs who can't shoot free throws.I think he would have made a nice pairing potentially with Vonleh- too bad their GM went all-in on making the playoffs this year to save his job (I feel that may have influenced picking Frank over Winslow tbh).

He's got value in the league and would play well next to a guy like D. Favors or Ibaka, but I really don't trust his ability to defend. He can get posted up at C and he's likely to slow to defend as a PF in the PnR.

Offensively- he brings a ton of value to a squad with his shooting, passing, and smarts. I think his defensive shortcomings may be reason that he's a super sub type of bench big versus a starter. He should be good, not great, and there's nothing wrong with that.

I feel McBob was a better defender that year when Charlotte had some magic than Frank will be. I honestly think the Hornets would have been content to let Big Al walk this summer had he opted-out.