Sometimes I Wish I Could Teleport to the 50's / 60's

[AirTupac]

I think I could definitely end up being one of the legends that everyone remembers. I can dunk every now and then when my knees are feeling good. I'm already ahead of Jerry West at this point.

[swagga]

I think I could definitely end up being one of the legends that everyone remembers. I can dunk every now and then when my knees are feeling good. I'm already ahead of Jerry West at this point.

not sure about west, but I'd wager you'd still beat cousy

[AirTupac]

not sure about west, but I'd wager you'd still beat cousy

Thanks for the support friend. But I like to aim for someone worthwhile ya know. I passed Cousey around 8-9 years old by learning how to dribble between my legs.

[senelcoolidge]

You would probably be one of the first cuts during their training camp if you were lucky to be invited. Just because you can palm the ball and travel in today's game doesn't mean that you can get away with that than. Plus you would have to be fundamentally sound even as a bench player.

[swagga]

You would probably be one of the first cuts during their training camp if you were lucky to be invited. Just because you can palm the ball and travel in today's game doesn't mean that you can get away with that than. Plus you would have to be fundamentally sound even as a bench player.

son, watch some finals from the 60s, you can see them on youtube, and then come hear and bark about refs enforcing palming violations. They didn't enforce them at all. Accept it, players didn't know how to dribble back then.

[AirTupac]

You would probably be one of the first cuts during their training camp if you were lucky to be invited. Just because you can palm the ball and travel in today's game doesn't mean that you can get away with that than. Plus you would have to be fundamentally sound even as a bench player.

Hahahaha yeah right. It doesnt take a genius to know that I'd easily be making NBA rosters with my skill set. Just because you have a hard on for 60's ball, doesn't mean that they are skilled players when comparing to todays ball.

[j3lademaster]

Why? if you just get a basic college education and go into a decent career where you can (or eventually can) have a 6 figure salary, you can live a better life than most 50's/60's ballplayers. And are you black? Because if so that definitely will be a worse era for you to live in....

[aquaadverse]

Kids...They'd check your ass into the 2nd row with no foul and you'd walk off and never play again.

[AirTupac]

Kids...They'd check your ass into the 2nd row with no foul and you'd walk off and never play again.

Kids? I'm 6'4, 210 and hardly a kid. I'm top 5 all time in the 60's buddy.

[aquaadverse]

Nah, you'd get clotheslined with no foul and weep. You'd dribble between your legs and it would be like the scene from Indiana Jones where he watched the guy whipping around the scimitar and calmly whipped out the gun and shot him.

[BoutPractice]

So do we.

I've heard one-way tickets are much less expensive.

[senelcoolidge]

Kids? I'm 6'4, 210 and hardly a kid. I'm top 5 all time in the 60's buddy.

You would be ran off the court and when you felt that contact you would cry. You'd wish you were in your own time when refs allowed you to flop and travel.

[FreezingTsmoove]

Your not even making practice team unless you can play within and set up offense. Plus you better learn how to dribble without palming

And if your black you better be a rebounding specialist because thats the only way your making it

[iznogood]

You would be ran off the court and when you felt that contact you would cry. You'd wish you were in your own time when refs allowed you to flop and travel.
Basketball in the 50's and 60's was not nearly as physical as it is today. Dirty doesn't equate physical and there's much more contact today, it's not even comparable.

[senelcoolidge]

Basketball in the 50's and 60's was not nearly as physical as it is today. Dirty doesn't equate physical and there's much more contact today, it's not even comparable.

http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/51a63ee26bb3f7bd15000003/lebron-james-flop-knicks-2012.gif

Yeah look at that contact. It was so hard that it had a delayed action.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ofDBqO_cblU/UaNOn_pVxrI/AAAAAAAAHys/SVEa333lzTA/s640/Dwyane+Wade+flop+on+PAcers.gif

[Psileas]

Sometimes I Wish I Could Teleport to the 1850's, so I would be the inventor of basketball, and that's modern basketball, not the primitive basketball that this scrub Naismith invented. Not to mention what I would do if I teleported to ancient years and taught people relativity, replacing old fart Einstein. Oh, how much has humanity missed...

[iznogood]

http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/51a63ee26bb3f7bd15000003/lebron-james-flop-knicks-2012.gif

Yeah look at that contact. It was so hard that it had a delayed action.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ofDBqO_cblU/UaNOn_pVxrI/AAAAAAAAHys/SVEa333lzTA/s640/Dwyane+Wade+flop+on+PAcers.gif

So you cherry picked to prove what? That the players today flop? How does that mean that the game is not tougher? Laimbeer was a known flopper and so was Malone. Does that make them soft?

Just look at all the hip checking and chest and shoulder bumping that's being allowed today. Look at the amount of moving screens and contact the screeners take when they are setting screens. Look at how charging and blocking are called in the 50's and 60's games. The rules allow more physical game.

[aquaadverse]

So you cherry picked to prove what? That the players today flop? How does that mean that the game is not tougher? Laimbeer was a known flopper and so was Malone. Does that make them soft?

Just look at all the hip checking and chest and shoulder bumping that's being allowed today. Look at the amount of moving screens and contact the screeners take when they are setting screens. Look at how charging and blocking are called in the 50's and 60's games. The rules allow more physical game.

Yeah that hand checking and illegal zone rules currently make more contact inevitable.Plus Malone and Lambeer were studs in the '60's and '50's.

[iznogood]

Yeah that hand checking and illegal zone rules currently make more contact inevitable.Plus Malone and Lambeer were studs in the '60's and '50's.
Are you kidding me? Even without hand checking, the perimeter defense today is FAR tougher than it was in the 50's and the 60's. And let's not even start to discuss the fact that the hand checking is very rarely called today and almost never in the playoffs. The the players still hand check all the time.

The amount of contact allowed when defending players off the ball can't even compare. Either in the post or when defenders are chasing their men around screens.

I only brought up Malone and Laimbeer up because senelcoolidge used gifs of flopping to show that the basketball today is softer, which is completely wrong. These two are not even related. The players do not flop because they're not tough, they flop because they are trying to take advantage of the rules. If anything, it is a flaw of character, not a showcase of how tough someone is.

[Sarcastic]

Some random kid in 2065 is saying he wishes he could time travel to 2015 for the same reason.

[senelcoolidge]

Some random kid in 2065 is saying he wishes he could time travel to 2015 for the same reason.
http://1.media.dorkly.cvcdn.com/95/53/bd6b4fb2ad2e05f47cad38435c4f69ad.jpg
In 2065 this will be the all time scoring leader in NBA history. It will be a totally different game, not a weak era like 2015.

[aquaadverse]

Are you kidding me? Even without hand checking, the perimeter defense today is FAR tougher than it was in the 50's and the 60's. And let's not even start to discuss the fact that the hand checking is very rarely called today and almost never in the playoffs. The the players still hand check all the time.

The amount of contact allowed when defending players off the ball can't even compare. Either in the post or when defenders are chasing their men around screens.

I only brought up Malone and Laimbeer up because senelcoolidge used gifs of flopping to show that the basketball today is softer, which is completely wrong. These two are not even related. The players do not flop because they're not tough, they foul because they are trying to take advantage of the rules. If anything, it is a flaw of character, not a showcase of how tough someone is.

I started following and attending games in the mid '70's. I'm not going to debate if the game is better now from a purely aesthetic point or not, although I do think it is. But they changed the rules in the '90's to allow greater offensive flow for a reason. The game is less physical and far more perimeter oriented now. Stretch 4s. Fewer Bigs hammering people in the paint. 3 point shots. The game is less physical. I never watched in the '50's or much in the ''60's, but I can tell you it's much less physical than even the late '80's and early '90's'

[swagga]

I started following and attending games in the mid '70's. I'm not going to debate if the game is better now from a purely aesthetic point or not, although I do think it is. But they changed the rules in the '90's to allow greater offensive flow for a reason. The game is less physical and far more perimeter oriented now. Stretch 4s. Fewer Bigs hammering people in the paint. 3 point shots. The game is less physical. I never watched in the '50's or much in the ''60's, but I can tell you it's much less physical than even the late '80's and early '90's'

:roll: :roll: :roll:

they changed the rules because defenses caught up in sophisication with the 80s offenses numbnuts. Instead of defenders being overly physical with hand checking you have offenses being overly physical with a billion illegal screens , which allow MUCH more contact.

old timer you better start looking for a place in retirement home with senility approaching. god bless.

[AnaheimLakers24]

If i went back in time with you, we'd basically be the wil and russel of that time but actually good

[iznogood]

I started following and attending games in the mid '70's. I'm not going to debate if the game is better now from a purely aesthetic point or not, although I do think it is. But they changed the rules in the '90's to allow greater offensive flow for a reason. The game is less physical and far more perimeter oriented now. Stretch 4s. Fewer Bigs hammering people in the paint. 3 point shots. The game is less physical. I never watched in the '50's or much in the ''60's, but I can tell you it's much less physical than even the late '80's and early '90's'
So you're saying I was right when I said the basketball today is more physical than the basketball of the 50's and the 60's. What was the point of your first post anyway?

Just for the record, I don't agree completely with you when you're comparing basketball of the 80's and 90's to the basketball we're seeing today. What you're saying about the centers hammering people in the paint is true, but it was still considered a foul back then. The game was dirtier, but not more physical. The game off the ball today is arguably the most physical ever. I think you should look at specific parts of the game. Compare the amount of contact created when people defend off the ball screens or even when defend the pick and rolls. Look at how often the offensive players lower their shoulder and try to go through their defender without being called for a foul. Notice all the hip checking the defensive players are allowed to use to hold their ground. Notice the amount of bumping allowed when players box out. The game today is insanely physical.

[HighFlyer23]

Lol the infancy of basketball

[aquaadverse]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

they changed the rules because defenses caught up in sophisication with the 80s offenses numbnuts. Instead of defenders being overly physical with hand checking you have offenses being overly physical with a billion illegal screens , which allow MUCH more contact.

old timer you better start looking for a place in retirement home with senility approaching. god bless.

I'm 57. Far from Senility. Enjoy your YouTube reality. You have absolutely no real experience with the shit that runs out of your mouth.

[Smoke117]

You would be called for a travel probably every time you tried to dribble because you are so used to these lax rules in that regard. You'd ride the pine.

[GimmeThat]

can't say I know exactly what were the thoughts of Bill Russell on the ABA, just as much as the other historians fair share of point of view I suppose.

did I just say that ABA? if basketball wasn't a team sport and an individual sport

and athletes who's record now would be the best back then and only second/third place now.

if you want to take the risk of drowning in sorrow....

[senelcoolidge]

The NBA doesn't even call travels anymore, it's a joke.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcWn7edyi_k

[Naero]

Many modern players could, but many of you fail to contextualize the fact that all modern-era Players have also availed from the evolving culture of that time. Without that past-era foundation, techniques, workout regimes, nutrients, training methods, Knowledge of the game, and so on wouldn't be as advanced; therefore, those growing up in that era wouldn't be as skilled, athletic, and sizes or as they are now on average.

Time-travel your birth to the contemporaries of that era, try to dominate it on par as they did, and then that'll be impressive; after all, they're the ones that modern legends have learned from.

[ShaqTwizzle]

Many modern players could, but many of you fail to contextualize the fact that all modern-era Players have also availed from the evolving culture of that time. Without that past-era foundation, techniques, workout regimes, nutrients, training methods, Knowledge of the game, and so on wouldn't be as advanced; therefore, those growing up in that era wouldn't be as skilled, athletic, and sizes or as they are now on average.

Time-travel your birth to the contemporaries of that era, try to dominate it on par as they did, and then that'll be impressive; after all, they're the ones that modern legends have learned from.

Some of that is true but also some of it is just natural talent.
When I watch footage of Wilt he doesn't seem to have that fluidity or that confidence/quickness in his back to the basket post game.
He seems more mechanical and less sure of himself when posting up that way and his footwork/handles/overall skill in that one respect don't seem up to code with the best of the modern guys.

Then we have Kareem who came along while Wilt was still around and his footwork/postgame/fluidity/speed of attack in the post and everything compares nicely (going by the eyetest) when I compare him to the best b2b post scorers of the modern era like Hakeem, Shaq etc... and unsurprisingly so do his numbers.

So saying "oh he would have been way more skilled/effective if he grew up in the modern era" isn't nessasarily true.
Alot of it is just natural talent/feel for the game.
Things like footwork, handles, fluidty, ability to feel out defenses and react quickly are partially natural talents.
Look at a guy like Dwight who was tutored by the best but doesn't have near the post skill of guys like Hakeem or Shaq.

Maybe I didn't explain that so well but I think you can all understand what I mean.

[SpecialQue]

Don't know your ethnicity, but if you're anything other than white you probably don't want to teleport back to the 50s or 60s.

[AirTupac]

If i went back in time with you, we'd basically be the wil and russel of that time but actually good

:oldlol: :oldlol:

Straight up. Those players can try playing dirty. I'm not incapable of throwing a fist to their face and then dunking on them. Thats how I'll be dropping 20 ppg in a few minutes. Cause then I go f*ck Cousy's bitch the rest of the game

[LAZERUSS]

Some of that is true but also some of it is just natural talent.
When I watch footage of Wilt he doesn't seem to have that fluidity or that confidence/quickness in his back to the basket post game.
He seems more mechanical and less sure of himself when posting up that way and his footwork/handles/overall skill in that one respect don't seem up to code with the best of the modern guys.

Then we have Kareem who came along while Wilt was still around and his footwork/postgame/fluidity/speed of attack in the post and everything compares nicely (going by the eyetest) when I compare him to the best b2b post scorers of the modern era like Hakeem, Shaq etc... and unsurprisingly so do his numbers.

So saying "oh he would have been way more skilled/effective if he grew up in the modern era" isn't nessasarily true.
Alot of it is just natural talent/feel for the game.
Things like footwork, handles, fluidty, ability to feel out defenses and react quickly are partially natural talents.
Look at a guy like Dwight who was tutored by the best but doesn't have near the post skill of guys like Hakeem or Shaq.

Maybe I didn't explain that so well but I think you can all understand what I mean.

Unfortunately, we only have less than 2% of Wilt's entire career on video, and most of that is a past-his-prime Wilt.

But take a good look at this footage, and tell us all here that Wilt lacked fluidity and quickness...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCWrGWuU2Ak

[TheBigVeto]

I think I could definitely end up being one of the legends that everyone remembers. I can dunk every now and then when my knees are feeling good. I'm already ahead of Jerry West at this point.

:roll:

A crippled Bob Cousy will still cross you over and break your ankles with no problem.

[AirTupac]

:roll:

A crippled Bob Cousy will still cross you over and break your ankles with no problem.

Cousy will be calling me daddy by the end of the game.