Greater Finals Performer, Wade vs. Kobe

[WayOfWade]

Wade: 3 Wins, 2 Losses
2006 Finals: 34.7 PPG, 7.8 RPG, 3.8 APG, 2.7 SPG, 1.0 BPG, 3.7 TOPG, .468 FG% W
2011 Finals: 26.5 PPG, 7.0 RPG, 5.2 APG, 1.5 SPG, 1.5 BPG, 2.5 TOPG, .546 FG% L
2012 Finals: 22.6 PPG, 6.0 RPG, 5.2 APG, 1.4 SPG, 1.2 BPG, 2.8 TOPG, .435 FG% W
2013 Finals: 19.6 PPG, 4.0 RPG, 4.6 APG, 1.9 SPG, 1.3 BPG, 2.3 TOPG, .476 FG% W
2014 Finals: 15.2 PPG, 3.8 RPG, 2.6 APG, 1.6 SPG, 0.0 BPG, 3.6 TOPG, .438 FG% L

Kobe: 5 Wins, 2 losses
2000 Finals: 15.6 PPG, 4.6 RPG, 4.2 APG, 1.0 SPG, 1.4 BPG, 3.0 TOPG, .367 FG% W
2001 Finals: 24.6 PPG, 7.8 RPG, 5.8 APG, 1.4 SPG, 1.4 BPG, 3.7 TOPG, .415 FG% W
2002 Finals: 26.8 PPG, 5.8 RPG, 5.3 APG, 1.5 SPG, .8 BPG, 2.8 TOPG, .514 FG% W
2004 Finals: 22.6 PPG, 2.8 APG, 4.4 APG, 1.8 SPG, .6 BPG, 3.6 TOPG, .381 FG% L
2008 Finals: 25.7 PPG, 4.7 APG, 5.0 APG, 2.7 SPG, .2 BPG, 3.8 TOPG, .405 FG% L
2009 Finals: 32.4 PPG, 5.6 RPG, 7.4 APG, 1.4 SPG, 1.4 BPG, 3.2 TOPG, .430 FG% W
2010 Finals: 28.6 PPG, 8.0 RPG, 3.9 APG, 2.1 SPG, .7 BPG, 3.9 TOPG, .405 FG% W

*Total Finals Averages (thanks to Wade's Rings)
Wade: 25.7/6.1/4.2/1.9/1.3 shooting 48%
Kobe: 24.7/5.6/5.1/1.4/.7 shooting 41%

Who had the Best Finals? Wade 06', slightly better than Kobe 09'
Who had the Worst Finals? Wade 14', slightly worse than Kobe 00'
Better at Scoring? Depends, if you want PPG, Kobe. If you want efficiency, Wade.
Better at Rebounding? Tough one for me, I think they're both even.
Better at Assisting? Kobe, not close really
Better Defense? Can't say, didn't watch any of Kobe's first 4 finals, and blocks/steals isn't the best indicator.
Who was more clutch? Also a tough one, what do you think?

All things considered, who is/was the better finals performer throughout their careers, Dwyane Wade or Kobe Bryant?

[KembaWalker]

Kobe

[Wade's Rings]

Wade. Kobe has played more as the man but Wade is one of the GOAT Finals Performers.

Who's the better Playoff Performer is a better question IMO

Edit: I'd say Wade is more clutch.

[Cold soul]

Wade I'll take his best performance in Finals 06 over Kobe best against Magic in 09. But overall as Kobe performed better than Wade did in 11, 12, 13, and 14.

[MastaKilla]

Kobe has 5 finals of 25+/5+/5+

overall i'd say Kobe

his 01 finals, 02 finals, 09 finals and first 6 games of 2010 were all extremely good

Wade in 06 was great, 12 very good, 13 good, 14 bad.

[Hey Yo]

It's a pretty good comparison.

Wade 1st option for 2 of his 5 Finals

Kolby 1st option for 3 of his 7

[JT123]

They are both pretty bad, but Kobe is slightly better. At least his pathetic performance in 2000 was due to injury. In 2014 Wade put forth the most horrific finals performance from a superstar in NBA history. While in his PRIME! :facepalm

[Wade's Rings]

They are both pretty bad, but Kobe is slightly better. At least his pathetic performance in 2000 was due to injury. In 2014 Wade put forth the most horrific finals performance from a superstar in NBA history. While in his PRIME! :facepalm

Your trolling is really slipping. 3ball owns lebron stans souls in trolling AND debates.

[SouBeachTalents]

Ranking their Finals

1. 2006 Wade
2. 2009 Kobe
3. 2011 Wade
4. 2002 Kobe
5. 2010 Kobe
6. 2001 Kobe
7. 2012 Wade
8. 2008 Kobe
9. 2013 Wade
10. 2000 Kobe
11. 2004 Kobe
12. 2014 Wade

[DMV2]

Wade: 3 Wins, 2 Losses
2006 Finals: 34.7 PPG, 7.8 RPG, 3.8 APG, 2.7 SPG, 1.0 BPG, 3.7 TOPG, .468 FG% W
2011 Finals: 26.5 PPG, 7.0 RPG, 5.2 APG, 1.5 SPG, 1.5 BPG, 2.5 TOPG, .546 FG% L
2012 Finals: 22.6 PPG, 6.0 RPG, 5.2 APG, 1.4 SPG, 1.2 BPG, 2.8 TOPG, .435 FG% W
2013 Finals: 19.6 PPG, 4.0 RPG, 4.6 APG, 1.9 SPG, 1.3 BPG, 2.3 TOPG, .476 FG% W
2014 Finals: 15.2 PPG, 3.8 RPG, 2.6 APG, 1.6 SPG, 0.0 BPG, 3.6 TOPG, .438 FG% L

Kobe: 5 Wins, 2 losses
2000 Finals: 15.6 PPG, 4.6 RPG, 4.2 APG, 1.0 SPG, 1.4 BPG, 3.0 TOPG, .367 FG% W
2001 Finals: 24.6 PPG, 7.8 RPG, 5.8 APG, 1.4 SPG, 1.4 BPG, 3.7 TOPG, .415 FG% W
2002 Finals: 26.8 PPG, 5.8 RPG, 5.3 APG, 1.5 SPG, .8 BPG, 2.8 TOPG, .514 FG% W
2004 Finals: 22.6 PPG, 2.8 APG, 4.4 APG, 1.8 SPG, .6 BPG, 3.6 TOPG, .381 FG% L
2008 Finals: 25.7 PPG, 4.7 APG, 5.0 APG, 2.7 SPG, .2 BPG, 3.8 TOPG, .405 FG% L
2009 Finals: 32.4 PPG, 5.6 RPG, 7.4 APG, 1.4 SPG, 1.4 BPG, 3.2 TOPG, .430 FG% W
2010 Finals: 28.6 PPG, 8.0 RPG, 3.9 APG, 2.1 SPG, .7 BPG, 3.9 TOPG, .405 FG% W

Who had the Best Finals? Wade 06', slightly better than Kobe 09'
Who had the Worst Finals? Wade 14', slightly worse than Kobe 00'
Better at Scoring? Depends, if you want PPG, Kobe. If you want efficiency, Wade.
Better at Rebounding? Tough one for me, I think they're both even.
Better at Assisting? Kobe, not close really
Better Defense? Can't say, didn't watch any of Kobe's first 4 finals, and blocks/steals isn't the best indicator.
Who was more clutch? Also a tough one, what do you think?

All things considered, who is/was the better finals performer throughout their careers, Dwyane Wade or Kobe Bryant?
:yaohappy:

[tpols]

tough to say when the teams/defenses they faced in the Finals aren't at all comparable.

[Mr Feeny]

Wade: 3 Wins, 2 Losses
2006 Finals: 34.7 PPG, 7.8 RPG, 3.8 APG, 2.7 SPG, 1.0 BPG, 3.7 TOPG, .468 FG% W
2011 Finals: 26.5 PPG, 7.0 RPG, 5.2 APG, 1.5 SPG, 1.5 BPG, 2.5 TOPG, .546 FG% L
2012 Finals: 22.6 PPG, 6.0 RPG, 5.2 APG, 1.4 SPG, 1.2 BPG, 2.8 TOPG, .435 FG% W
2013 Finals: 19.6 PPG, 4.0 RPG, 4.6 APG, 1.9 SPG, 1.3 BPG, 2.3 TOPG, .476 FG% W
2014 Finals: 15.2 PPG, 3.8 RPG, 2.6 APG, 1.6 SPG, 0.0 BPG, 3.6 TOPG, .438 FG% L

Kobe: 5 Wins, 2 losses
2000 Finals: 15.6 PPG, 4.6 RPG, 4.2 APG, 1.0 SPG, 1.4 BPG, 3.0 TOPG, .367 FG% W
2001 Finals: 24.6 PPG, 7.8 RPG, 5.8 APG, 1.4 SPG, 1.4 BPG, 3.7 TOPG, .415 FG% W
2002 Finals: 26.8 PPG, 5.8 RPG, 5.3 APG, 1.5 SPG, .8 BPG, 2.8 TOPG, .514 FG% W
2004 Finals: 22.6 PPG, 2.8 APG, 4.4 APG, 1.8 SPG, .6 BPG, 3.6 TOPG, .381 FG% L
2008 Finals: 25.7 PPG, 4.7 APG, 5.0 APG, 2.7 SPG, .2 BPG, 3.8 TOPG, .405 FG% L
2009 Finals: 32.4 PPG, 5.6 RPG, 7.4 APG, 1.4 SPG, 1.4 BPG, 3.2 TOPG, .430 FG% W
2010 Finals: 28.6 PPG, 8.0 RPG, 3.9 APG, 2.1 SPG, .7 BPG, 3.9 TOPG, .405 FG% W

Who had the Best Finals? Wade 06', slightly better than Kobe 09'
Who had the Worst Finals? Wade 14', slightly worse than Kobe 00'
Better at Scoring? Depends, if you want PPG, Kobe. If you want efficiency, Wade.
Better at Rebounding? Tough one for me, I think they're both even.
Better at Assisting? Kobe, not close really
Better Defense? Can't say, didn't watch any of Kobe's first 4 finals, and blocks/steals isn't the best indicator.
Who was more clutch? Also a tough one, what do you think?

All things considered, who is/was the better finals performer throughout their careers, Dwyane Wade or Kobe Bryant?

What are their final career averages? Please add that to the original post.

[Wade's Rings]

What are their final career averages? Please add that to the original post.

Wade: 25.7/6.1/4.2/1.9/1.3 shooting 48%
Kobe: 25.1/5.6/5.1/1.4/.7 shooting 41%

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Wade's 2006 > anything of Kobe's but Kobe > Wade overall.

[WayOfWade]

Wade's 2006 > anything of Kobe's but Kobe > Wade overall.
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[DaSeba5]

Wade's 2006 > anything of Kobe's but Kobe > Wade overall.

I would say this.

[ClipperRevival]

Wade had the higher peak in 2006 (although Kobe was absolutely dominant in 2009) but overall, I have to give the edge to Kobe. Kobe winning 2 straight as "the man" carries a lot of weight and that is something not too many greats have done. And let's not forget he had to go through the ultra competitive WC his whole career just to get to the finals.

[The Custodian]

The one that won more

[MEB2kDeez]

Wade's 2006 > anything of Kobe's but Kobe > Wade overall.
Ehh, I can live with this statement lol

[ArbitraryWater]

Wade '06 is not "slightly better" than '09.. you know that too.

[WayOfWade]

The one that won more
:coleman:

[ArbitraryWater]

Ranking their Finals

1. 2006 Wade
2. 2011 Wade
3. 2009 Kobe
4. 2002 Kobe
5. 2001 Kobe
6. 2012 Wade
7. 2008 Kobe (2008 was a tougher series than 2010, better opposition)
8. 2010 Kobe
9. 2013 Wade
10. 2000 Kobe
11. 2004 Kobe
12. 2014 Wade

[Papaya Petee]

It's hard to decide.

Obviously 2006 Wade > any other performance between the two.

However, Kobe was really good in 2002 and 2009 in wins.

Wade was great in 2011 as well, but the injury lowered his stats because of game 6, same with Kobes injury in 2000.

I would say Wade had the best finals peak, Kobe was more consistent, and won more titles, so Kobe.

If Wade ended up in top in 2011 I would probably lean with Wade.

Id say.
1.) 2006 Wade
2.) 2002 Kobe
3.) 2009 Kobe
4.) 2011 Wade
5.) 2001 Kobe
6.) 2010 Kobe
7.) 2012 Wade
8.) 2008 Kobe
9.) 2013 Wade
10.) 2004 Kobe
11.) 2000 Kobe
12.) 2014 Wade

[TheMarkMadsen]

Ranking their Finals

1. 2006 Wade
2. 2011 Wade
3. 2009 Kobe
4. 2002 Kobe
5. 2001 Kobe
6. 2012 Wade
7. 2008 Kobe (2008 was a tougher series than 2010, better opposition)
8. 2010 Kobe
9. 2013 Wade
10. 2000 Kobe
11. 2004 Kobe
12. 2014 Wade

:oldlol: :oldlol:

Kobe averaged 6 more points while rebounding and assisting more, won the series while Wade lost his..

[DonDadda59]

If Wade ended up in top in 2011 I would probably lean with Wade.



It's a real shame LeBron cost Wade his fourth ring and 2nd finals MVP.

The Heat lost games 2 & 4 by a mere combined 5 points. Wade averaged 34 PPG on 65% FG to James' 14 PPG on 42% FG (including his infamous 8 point game on 27% FG). In those 2 games, LeBron scored a combined 2 points on 0% FG in the 4th quarter.

If Bron plays Jason Terry level basketball in those 2 games, the Heat win in a 4 game sweep.

[Hey Yo]

:oldlol: :oldlol:

Kobe averaged 6 more points while rebounding and assisting more, won the series while Wade lost his..
Wade avg. more rebounds and avg. 10 less FGA per game.

[Wade's Rings]

It's a real shame LeBron cost Wade his fourth ring and 2nd finals MVP.

The Heat lost games 2 & 4 by a mere combined 5 points. Wade averaged 34 PPG on 65% FG to James' 14 PPG on 42% FG (including his infamous 8 point game on 27% FG). In those 2 games, LeBron scored a combined 2 points on 0% FG in the 4th quarter.

If Bron plays Jason Terry level basketball in those 2 games, the Heat win in a 4 game sweep.

This series will forever be why I hate Bron.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Wade avg. more rebounds and avg. 10 less FGA per game.

sweet one more rebound and 6 less points, less assist, and a loss instead of a win like Kobe

thats awesome

[Hey Yo]

sweet one more rebound and 6 less points, less assist, and a loss instead of a win like Kobe

thats awesome
Rounding 5.6 up to 6? Cool.... I'll remember that next time.

Yes, 6 less points on 10 less FGA

[Hey Yo]

This series will forever be why I hate Bron.
:oldlol:

How soon people forget seeing Wade constantly on the bench in a suit while LeBron and others do the heavy lifting throughout the season(s).

[TheMarkMadsen]

Rounding 5.6 up to 6? Cool.... I'll remember that next time.

Yes, 6 less points on 10 less FGA

basic fuccing math :oldlol:

and as you sit there and bitch about numbers, your stretching the FGA up by 1..

and who fuccing cares, Kobe won Wade lost, if Wade would have been more aggressive and took more shots maybe the HEAT win.. aren't you the idiot who made a thread with that exact same basic premise..

oh wait now saying that Wade lost "as the man" with two side kicks putting up great numbers doesn't fit your agenda you seem to be pretty silent..

:oldlol:

[DoctorP]

Wade's 2006 > anything of Kobe's but Kobe > Wade overall.


Ok. This.

[Hey Yo]

basic fuccing math :oldlol:

and as you sit there and bitch about numbers, your stretching the FGA up by 1..

and who fuccing cares, Kobe won Wade lost, if Wade would have been more aggressive and took more shots maybe the HEAT win.. aren't you the idiot who made a thread with that exact same basic premise..

oh wait now saying that Wade lost "as the man" with two side kicks putting up great numbers doesn't fit your agenda you seem to be pretty silent..

:oldlol:
You know how many times on this board you said LeBron shot 39% in the Finals, when actually it 39.8%?

So why doesn't your basic fuccin math ability call that 40%?

Allllllllllll that's right, maybe because it didn't fit your agenda?

[TheMarkMadsen]

You know how many times on this board you said LeBron shot 39% in the Finals, when actually it 39.8%?

So why doesn't your basic fuccin math ability call that 40%?

Allllllllllll that's right, maybe because it didn't fit your agenda?

oh wait what happened to Wade's 11 finals not being good, where's your thread at again :oldlol: :oldlol:

care to comment on that..

that extra .2% really means alot to you nerds doesn't it? years and years of harping on Kobe's FG% has come to bite you in the ass, i have no problem admitting lebron shot 40% overall, while playing terribly in the clutch and overtimes.. what was his fg% outside of 5 feet again..

and i'm pretty sure that the only FG% from 2015 finals that is relevant is what bran shot outside of 5 feet, and what he shot with Iggy guarding him


holding LeBron to just eight uncontested shots prior to Game 6 and forcing The King into an 11-46 shooting performance when he was D’ing him up.

shot 24% while being iso'd against a bench player lmao

[Wade's Rings]

:oldlol:

How soon people forget seeing Wade constantly on the bench in a suit while LeBron and others do the heavy lifting throughout the season(s).

Yet Bron never won a Title without Wade coming through :confusedshrug:

[Hey Yo]

oh wait what happened to Wade's 11 finals not being good, where's your thread at again :oldlol: :oldlol:

care to comment on that..

I never said it wasn't good. I asked why he couldn't carry his team to victory? When James couldn't do it, it's his fault. When Wade couldn't do it, it James' fault. See the hypocrisy?


that extra .2% really means alot to you nerds doesn't it? years and years of harping on Kobe's FG% has come to bite you in the ass, i have no problem admitting lebron shot 40% overall, while playing terribly in the clutch and overtimes.. what was his fg% outside of 5 feet again..

Bite me in the ass how? If Kobe shot 29.8, 35.8 or 47.8...I would call it 30, 36 and 49. Myself, I don't recall or round up .6 when it presents itself.


and i'm pretty sure that the only FG% from 2015 finals that is relevant is what bran shot outside of 5 feet, and what he shot with Iggy guarding him

Yet he still avg. 31ppg in games 3 through 6 when Iggy was inserted in the starting line-up.




shot 24% while being iso'd against a bench player lmao
And your hero as the big favorite shot 38% in his prime against a 2nd year player Tayshaun Prince.

[Papaya Petee]

Kobe in 2002 Finals > 2009 Finals

Just sayin.

[Nuff Said]

I never said it wasn't good. I asked why he couldn't carry his team to victory? When James couldn't do it, it's his fault. When Wade couldn't do it, it James' fault. See the hypocrisy?



Bite me in the ass how? If Kobe shot 29.8, 35.8 or 47.8...I would call it 30, 36 and 49. Myself, I don't recall or round up .6 when it presents itself.



Yet he still avg. 31ppg in games 3 through 6 when Iggy was inserted in the starting line-up.




And your hero as the big favorite shot 38% in his prime against a 2nd year player Tayshaun Prince.
Nigqas rounding 47.8 to 49 n shit

[MEB2kDeez]

Nigqas rounding 47.8 to 49 n shit
:oldlol: :lol i noticed that too

[ClipperRevival]

Kobe in 2002 Finals > 2009 Finals

Just sayin.

Hell no. Kobe in the 2009 finals (and 2009 playoffs to add) was at his absolute best in terms of providing alpha scoring AND getting his teammates involved. That was the closest MJesque impersonation in terms playoff performance. Kobe in 2009 was at his absolute best as a leader who knew how to lead and provide what his team needed at any given time.

[KembaWalker]

Yet Bron never won a Title without Wade coming through :confusedshrug:

Nevermind that, Bron has NEVER won a finals game without Wade in the building, the two games the Cavs won last finals, Wade was doing guest commentary :roll:

[TheMarkMadsen]

I never said it wasn't good. I asked why he couldn't carry his team to victory? When James couldn't do it, it's his fault. When Wade couldn't do it, it James' fault. See the hypocrisy?



Bite me in the ass how? If Kobe shot 29.8, 35.8 or 47.8...I would call it 30, 36 and 49. Myself, I don't recall or round up .6 when it presents itself.



Yet he still avg. 31ppg in games 3 through 6 when Iggy was inserted in the starting line-up.




And your hero as the big favorite shot 38% in his prime against a 2nd year player Tayshaun Prince.

of course you would, because you're a ****ing moron

[ArbitraryWater]

Hell no. Kobe in the 2009 finals (and 2009 playoffs to add) was at his absolute best in terms of providing alpha scoring AND getting his teammates involved. That was the closest MJesque impersonation in terms playoff performance. Kobe in 2009 was at his absolute best as a leader who knew how to lead and provide what his team needed at any given time.

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[ArbitraryWater]

how do you not round up at .5?

[ClipperRevival]

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...."AND getting his teammates involved."

[SamuraiSWISH]

Their Finals history is a microcosm of their careers in comprison to one another.

When healthy, Wade was probably better. Because much of his game was based around physical ability as opposed to skill.

D-Wade's peak Finals performance, even if slightly amplified by suspect officiating was better than Kobe's best in 2009.

So Wade had the higher peaks (2009 Season / 2006 Finals) but Kobe had the longevity of career as well as much superior consistency.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Their Finals history is a microcosm of their careers in comprison to one another.

When healthy, Wade was probably better. Because much of his game was based around physical ability as opposed to skill.

D-Wade's peak Finals performance, even if slightly amplified by suspect officiating was better than Kobe's best in 2009.

So Wade had the higher peaks (2009 Season / 2006 Finals) but Kobe had the longevity of career as well as much superior consistency.

what is so special about that season that allows you to act like it was better than any of Kobe's without hesitation..??

overrated as ****

30/5/7.5 on a bad team that got knocked out in the first round - Kobe was 35/5/5 & 32/6/5 on bad teams and he was literally setting NBA records for scoring while doing so.. he put up more 40+ games in the 2 year stretch than Wade has in his entire career :lol

Wade was great in 09 but Kobe has had plenty of seasons that as a whole were better, and has multiple seasons better when strictly looking at regular season play

people act like Kobe didn't put up those same numbers 6 years earlier on a championship contender :confusedshrug:

the way people bring the year you up you'd think Wade was putting up 35/6/6 in the regular season and won the championship

[GrapeApe]

Wade: 25.7/6.1/4.2/1.9/1.3 shooting 48%
Kobe: 25.1/5.6/5.1/1.4/.7 shooting 41%

Wade's numbers are better but Kobe's been to and won 2 more finals and has one more FMVP. Wade however does have the best performance. It's very close. The homer in me wants to pick Wade, but objectively I think the back to back FMVP's give Kobe the edge.

[GrapeApe]

what is so special about that season that allows you to act like it was better than any of Kobe's without hesitation..??

overrated as ****

30/5/7.5 on a bad team that got knocked out in the first round - Kobe was 35/5/5 & 32/6/5 on bad teams and he was literally setting NBA records for scoring while doing so.. he put up more 40+ games in the 2 year stretch than Wade has in his entire career :lol

Wade was great in 09 but Kobe has had plenty of seasons that as a whole were better, and has multiple seasons better when strictly looking at regular season play

people act like Kobe didn't put up those same numbers 6 years earlier on a championship contender :confusedshrug:

the way people bring the year you up you'd think Wade was putting up 35/6/6 in the regular season and won the championship

Wade that season had a higher PER than Kobe ever had, and he was also a beast defensively finishing 3rd in DPOY. He was the first guard since Jordan with more than 175 steals and 100 blocks. He led the league in scoring while also finishing top 10 in assists and 2nd in steals. If we're talking strictly about the regular season, Kobe never had that kind of overall season.

[Wade's Rings]

what is so special about that season that allows you to act like it was better than any of Kobe's without hesitation..??

overrated as ****

30/5/7.5 on a bad team that got knocked out in the first round - Kobe was 35/5/5 & 32/6/5 on bad teams and he was literally setting NBA records for scoring while doing so.. he put up more 40+ games in the 2 year stretch than Wade has in his entire career :lol

Wade was great in 09 but Kobe has had plenty of seasons that as a whole were better, and has multiple seasons better when strictly looking at regular season play

people act like Kobe didn't put up those same numbers 6 years earlier on a championship contender :confusedshrug:

the way people bring the year you up you'd think Wade was putting up 35/6/6 in the regular season and won the championship

What a meltdown for Mark today :roll:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Wade that season had a higher PER than Kobe ever had, and he was also a beast defensively finishing 3rd in DPOY. He was the first guard since Jordan with more than 175 steals and 100 blocks. He led the league in scoring while also finishing top 10 in assists and 2nd in steals. If we're talking strictly about the regular season, Kobe never had that kind of overall season.

so what?

Charley Barkley has 4 straight seasons of putting up a higher PER than Magic ever did.. does that in any way make him better?

Kobe has finished 3rd in DPOY voting before :confusedshrug:


Kobe never had that kind of overall season.

except that he has multiple times :confusedshrug:

Wade in 09 wasn't better than Kobe in 03 or 06 or 07, hell he arguably wasn't even better than 09 Kobe if you want to talk about putting together a complete season..

Wade's 09 season is the only season that people praise without ever wanting to mention the playoffs.. the reason is obvious but still the double standard is laughable

I've seen people here say 06 Wade>06 Kobe because Wade won a ring and FMVP while Kobe played on a bad team that got bounced in the first round and then turn around and say 09 Wade>09 Kobe because of the stats..

its hilarious

[TheMarkMadsen]

not even trying to take anything away from Wade

imo he was more deserving of MVP than lebron that year

but when talking about great seasons, people try to use that season as if it was something otherworldly.. it wasn't.. many great players have put up insane numbers on bad teams.. most greats have to do something special in the playoffs that same year to be considered legendary..

Kobe in the 01 playoffs was playing at a higher level than 09 regular season Wade

[ArbitraryWater]

what is so special about that season that allows you to act like it was better than any of Kobe's without hesitation..??

overrated as ****

30/5/7.5 on a bad team that got knocked out in the first round - Kobe was 35/5/5 & 32/6/5 on bad teams and he was literally setting NBA records for scoring while doing so.. he put up more 40+ games in the 2 year stretch than Wade has in his entire career :lol

Wade was great in 09 but Kobe has had plenty of seasons that as a whole were better, and has multiple seasons better when strictly looking at regular season play

people act like Kobe didn't put up those same numbers 6 years earlier on a championship contender :confusedshrug:

the way people bring the year you up you'd think Wade was putting up 35/6/6 in the regular season and won the championship


you melting bro

[HOoopCityJones]

Wade in 09 wasn't better than Kobe in 03 or 06 or 07, hell he arguably wasn't even better than 09 Kobe if you want to talk about putting together a complete season..

Wade's 09 season is the only season that people praise without ever wanting to mention the playoffs.. the reason is obvious but still the double standard is laughable

I've seen people here say 06 Wade>06 Kobe because Wade won a ring and FMVP while Kobe played on a bad team that got bounced in the first round and then turn around and say 09 Wade>09 Kobe because of the stats..

its hilarious

Its simple, Kobe put that fear in hearts and it forces them to make outlandish claims. He's living so rent free in the minds of ISH.

What number kobe thread is this? 100th in the last week alone?

[GrapeApe]

so what?

Charley Barkley has 4 straight seasons of putting up a higher PER than Magic ever did.. does that in any way make him better?

Kobe has finished 3rd in DPOY voting before :confusedshrug:



except that he has multiple times :confusedshrug:

Wade in 09 wasn't better than Kobe in 03 or 06 or 07, hell he arguably wasn't even better than 09 Kobe if you want to talk about putting together a complete season..

Wade's 09 season is the only season that people praise without ever wanting to mention the playoffs.. the reason is obvious but still the double standard is laughable

I've seen people here say 06 Wade>06 Kobe because Wade won a ring and FMVP while Kobe played on a bad team that got bounced in the first round and then turn around and say 09 Wade>09 Kobe because of the stats..

its hilarious

Why are you talking about playoffs when I specifically said regular season?

Barkley and Magic don't play the same position. Wade and Kobe do. I'm not saying PER is the end all be all of player comparisons, but it is a good metric when comparing similar players who play the same position.

Did Kobe finish 3rd in DPOY the same season as winning a scoring title and finishing top 10 in assists? Now we're combining things from different seasons? In that case Wade's 2009 regular season + 2006 playoff run > any combination of Kobe's regular season and playoff run.

Ok, perhaps that last part is debatable, but my point is we're comparing a single season to another single season, not combining accomplishments from different seasons.

[HOoopCityJones]

Wade was losing All NBAs to Kirk Henrich in his prime.

Idc what he did in one Finals.

[GrapeApe]

Wade was losing All NBAs to Kirk Henrich in his prime.

Idc what he did in one Finals.

What the hell are you talking about? :oldlol: :wtf:

:biggums:

[HOoopCityJones]

In all seriousness, you know what the funniest thing about Wade is? The main argument people use to discredit Kobe is D Wade's career in a nutshell. He hasn't won anything without the most dominant players of the era on his Team for every one of his rings. His biggest claim to fame is a lightning in the bottle Finals hes never been able to repeat.

[GrapeApe]

In all seriousness, you know what the funniest thing about Wade is? The main argument people use to discredit Kobe is D Wade's career in a nutshell. He hasn't won anything without the most dominant players of the era on his Team for every one of his rings. His biggest claim to fame is a lightning in the bottle Finals hes never been able to repeat.

C'mon, you know damn well 2006 Shaq was nowhere near his "most dominant player of the era" self. He was an 18/9 player and averaged only 13 ppg in the finals. Gasol was better than 2006 Shaq for both titles. Wade also outperformed Lebron in their first finals together.

People who discredit Kobe because of Shaq are either idiots or trolls (or both). Period. As for you're last comment, Wade has all time great, HOF career averages in the regular season and playoffs. Hell, in his second year in the league he was putting up 27/7/6 on 48% in the playoffs. To claim his career is only his 2006 finals is absurd.

[Wade's Rings]

C'mon, you know damn well 2006 Shaq was nowhere near his "most dominant player of the era" self. He was an 18/9 player and averaged only 13 ppg in the finals. Gasol was better than 2006 Shaq for both titles. Wade also outperformed Lebron in their first finals together.

People who discredit Kobe because of Shaq are either idiots or trolls (or both). Period. As for you're last comment, Wade has all time great, HOF career averages in the regular season and playoffs. Hell, in his second year in the league he was putting up 27/7/6 on 48% in the playoffs. To claim his career is only his 2006 finals is absurd.

This same guy said the whole reason Wade can't stay healthy is because "all he does is drive and flop". Can't take him serious.

Kobe stans are shook by Wade for no reason.

[HOoopCityJones]

This same guy said the whole reason Wade can't stay healthy is because "all he does is drive and flop". Can't take him serious.

Kobe stans are shook by Wade for no reason.

Shook by what? :oldlol:

Ya the ones who feel the need to make these comparisons constantly because you're insecure about Wade being second to Kobe no matter what.

Consider that there's people who actually think Tmac deserves to be on the all 2000's roster above Wade. Not saying I agree, but being a Wade stan is like being a Melo stan , except The Flop actually managed to ride some coat tails. My bad I mean The Flash.

[Wade's Rings]

Shook by what? :oldlol:

Ya the ones who feel the need to make these comparisons constantly because you're insecure about Wade being second to Kobe no matter what.

Consider that there's people who actually think Tmac deserves to be on the all 2000's roster above Wade. Not saying I agree, but being a Wade stan is like being a Melo stan , except The Flop actually managed to ride some coat tails. My bad I mean The Flash.

You Kobe stans constantly hate on Wade and it leads you clowns to posting the most stupid shit, it's quite pathetic really.

Who tf is insecure? This is Insecure (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11619855&postcount=32) :oldlol:

That last paragraph sums exactly what I've been saying. This guy has you guys shook :roll: :roll:
Too bad Melo couldn't Ride Shaq's Cottails from '05-07 right? or be the best player on the Heat if he swapped places with Wade in 2011 right?

[GrapeApe]

Kobe fans really have nothing to be insecure about. He's overwhelmingly regarded as the 2nd greatest SG ever and a top 10 all time player. Barring Wade finding some kind of miraculous fountain of youth, he will not pass Kobe in either of those rankings.

There's no shame in admitting that prime Wade was on Kobe's level and was even slightly better in certain aspects. A healthy, prime Wade was a top 10 all time caliber talent and probably the closest we've ever seen to young Jordan. Unfortunately he's battled injuries for much of his career, but there's no denying his abilities. Kobe obviously has more accolades and a superior resume, but at their best there's not much if anything that separates them.

It was pretty incredible to see the 2nd and 3rd greatest SG's ever have overlapping primes. It may be a long time before we see two SG's of that caliber again, much less in the league at the same time.

:cheers:

[Wade's Rings]

Kobe fans really have nothing to be insecure about. He's overwhelmingly regarded as the 2nd greatest SG ever and a top 10 all time player. Barring Wade finding some kind of miraculous fountain of youth, he will not pass Kobe in either of those rankings.

There's no shame in admitting that prime Wade was on Kobe's level and was even slightly better in certain aspects. A healthy, prime Wade was a top 10 all time caliber talent and probably the closest we've ever seen to young Jordan. Unfortunately he's battled injuries for much of his career, but there's no denying his abilities. Kobe obviously has more accolades and a superior resume, but at their best there's not much if anything that separates them.

It was pretty incredible to see the 2nd and 3rd greatest SG's ever have overlapping primes. It may be a long time before we see two SG's of that caliber again, much less in the league at the same time.

:cheers:

Kobe fans are so insecure to them Kobe's Peak BLOWS Wade's out of the water because he scored more :oldlol: Kobe's Finals Performances are WAY more impressive than Wade's :oldlol:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Why are you talking about playoffs when I specifically said regular season?

Barkley and Magic don't play the same position. Wade and Kobe do. I'm not saying PER is the end all be all of player comparisons, but it is a good metric when comparing similar players who play the same position.



ok if you're talking regular season then 03 Kobe, 06 Kobe, 07 Kobe, 08 Kobe..

06 & 07 Kobe was literally putting up scoring records that nobody had done since Wilt..

Kobe in 03 was beastly defensively, had a string of 9 straight 40+ games.. had a month of 41 ppg on 58% TS

the only player besides Wilt to average 40 in a month..

[WayOfWade]

Kobe fans really have nothing to be insecure about. He's overwhelmingly regarded as the 2nd greatest SG ever and a top 10 all time player. Barring Wade finding some kind of miraculous fountain of youth, he will not pass Kobe in either of those rankings.

There's no shame in admitting that prime Wade was on Kobe's level and was even slightly better in certain aspects. A healthy, prime Wade was a top 10 all time caliber talent and probably the closest we've ever seen to young Jordan. Unfortunately he's battled injuries for much of his career, but there's no denying his abilities. Kobe obviously has more accolades and a superior resume, but at their best there's not much if anything that separates them.

It was pretty incredible to see the 2nd and 3rd greatest SG's ever have overlapping primes. It may be a long time before we see two SG's of that caliber again, much less in the league at the same time.

:cheers:
True. Kobe is a top ten all-time player whether Wade had a better Peak than him or not, and Kobe will always be rated higher than Wade whether he performed better than Wade in the finals or not. I don't say that joking, Kobe is a fantastic player and has had an incredible career and it has been a joy watching him. In my opinion (as stated before by various other posters), Wade has the best single finals while Kobe overall was a better finals performer over the long run (5/7 >3/5). It's ok to admit your favorite players faults and where he is trumped by others.
In the end though Kobe & Wade > any other finals performers of the past 15 years (outside of Shaq)

[Wade's Rings]

True. Kobe is a top ten all-time player whether Wade had a better Peak than him or not, and Kobe will always be rated higher than Wade whether he performed better than Wade in the finals or not. I don't say that joking, Kobe is a fantastic player and has had an incredible career and it has been a joy watching him. In my opinion (as stated before by various other posters), Wade has the best single finals while Kobe overall was a better finals performer over the long run (5/7 >3/5). It's ok to admit your favorite players faults and where he is trumped by others.
In the end though Kobe & Wade > any other finals performers of the past 15 years (outside of Shaq)

Winning more Finals/having the better Finals Record doesn't make you the better Finals Performer.

On your last sentence Duncan is a Great Finals Performer.