Would Kobe retire with Duncan having one more ring than him?

[sportjames23]

Say that the Spurs win this year and Duncan goes one up on Kobe in the ring department. Can Kobe really retire knowing that Duncan has that one ring over him? I remember when Kobe won his fifth ring, he noted that it was sweet because he had one more ring than Shaq and Duncan. Now that Duncan has caught up with him and could possibly pass him this year, could Bean let it go?

[Lebron23]

It's all about the finals MVP. 2nd options, or role players rings doesn't count when comparing the career of NBA Players.

[Legends66NBA7]

I recall him saying that about Shaq, not Duncan.

Either way, Kobe isn't going magically get a better team in a year's and win to match ring counts with Duncan. I don't think he's coming back and he calls it a career, Spurs winning or not.

[keep-itreal]

Duncan > Kobe

[ShawkFactory]

No. I don't think Kobe is an insecure ISH poster.

He may desire to have more rings than Shaq because of the animosity between them in their personal lives but why would he care that much about Duncan? Dude's a class act and I'm sure those two have mutual respect for each other.

If Kobe is truly as alpha as some say he is then he won't give a shit.

[Mr Feeny]

It's all about the finals MVP. 2nd options, or role players rings doesn't count when comparing the career of NBA Players.

Duncan already has more finals MVPs (and regular season MVPs at that).

[Lebron23]

Duncan already has more finals MVPs (and regular season MVPs at that).


and MVP Award too.

[IllegalD]

It's all about the finals MVP. 2nd options, or role players rings doesn't count when comparing the career of NBA Players.

Says who?

So by your logic then Kareem isn't a true GOAT candidate since he "only" has 2 Finals MVPs to his 6 rings. :facepalm

[Yoda]

To win another, forever Kobe would have to play.

[Lebron23]

Says who?

So by your logic then Kareem isn't a true GOAT candidate since he "only" has 2 Finals MVPs to his 6 rings. :facepalm


Kareem was the real Finals MVP in the 1980.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzjgJ7HFxpc

[TheMarkMadsen]

Say that the Spurs win this year and Duncan goes one up on Kobe in the ring department. Can Kobe really retire knowing that Duncan has that one ring over him? I remember when Kobe won his fifth ring, he noted that it was sweet because he had one more ring than Shaq and Duncan. Now that Duncan has caught up with him and could possibly pass him this year, could Bean let it go?

hmm when was that

[Spurs m8]

OP.....thanks for giving this board another 10/10 stupid kunt thread.

****in hell...if you don't have a brain then don't start a thread.
People like you need to be called out...what fuking stupid posting

[sportjames23]

OP.....thanks for giving this board another 10/10 stupid kunt thread.

****in hell...if you don't have a brain then don't start a thread.
People like you need to be called out...what fuking stupid posting


You are a very angry young man (or a frustrated old virgin).

Please, for everyone's sake, seek help.

[mehyaM24]

ring counting. nice.

you casual, youtube jordan fans are the absolute worst. no knowledge lmao

[sportjames23]

hmm when was that

Looking for it. In the meantime, I did find this:

http://www.thescore.com/nba/news/521342

[sportjames23]

ring counting. nice.

you casual, youtube jordan fans are the absolute worst. no knowledge lmao


Man, go play in traffic.

[kennethgriffin]

if duncan wins a 6th it would be worse for his legacy than retiring with 5



people would instantly give his 6 the clarity and scrutiny it deserves since jordan fans would join the belittling debate


3 of his 6 would be less valuable than kobes 1st


2000 kobe is more respectful than:

2007 2nd fiddle to parker
2014 3rd fiddle to parker/kawhi
2016 6th man to parker/kawhi/aldridge/green/manu





people would really start bashing duncan for once if he tied MJ... i hope he does it

[mehyaM24]

if duncan wins a 6th it would be worse for his legacy than retiring with 5



people would instantly give his 6 the clarity and scrutiny it deserves since jordan fans would join the belittling debate


3 of his 6 would be less valuable than kobes 1st


2000 kobe is more respectful than:

2007 2nd fiddle to parker
2014 3rd fiddle to parker/kawhi
2016 6th man to parker/kawhi/aldridge/green/manu





people would really start bashing duncan for once if he tied MJ... i hope he does it

which is why ring counting is dumb, and used by fans that know nothing about the game outside of highlights & dunks.

in op's case, space jam.

[SouBeachTalents]

if duncan wins a 6th it would be worse for his legacy than retiring with 5



people would instantly give his 6 the clarity and scrutiny it deserves since jordan fans would join the belittling debate


3 of his 6 would be less valuable than kobes 1st


2000 kobe is more respectful than:

2007 2nd fiddle to parker
2014 3rd fiddle to parker/kawhi
2016 6th man to parker/kawhi/aldridge/green/manu





people would really start bashing duncan for once if he tied MJ... i hope he does it

Duncan was not 2nd fiddle to Parker. Parker outplayed him for 4 games against a vastly inferior team, Duncan was the Spurs best player in '07 throughout the regular season and first 3 rounds of the playoffs.

Kobe was as clear cut a 2nd fiddle as you can have, and got outscored by over 22 ppg by Shaq in the Finals. Hell, Shaq averaged more rpg than Kobe averaged ppg

'07 Duncan >>> '00 Kobe

[sportjames23]

which is why ring counting is dumb, and used by fans that know nothing about the game outside of highlights & dunks.

in op's case, space jam.


2/6 has got you so shook up. :oldlol:

[T_L_P]

hmm when was that

Kobe did make a comment about him having one more than Tim in one of those All-Star Game Trax features.

It was in good fun though. Kobe cares about having more than Shaq. I'm sure he wants more than Duncan, but not enough for it to change any retirement decisions.

Edit: it's here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5s4jZoOdLchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5s4jZoOdLc

[kennethgriffin]

my bad. duncan wouldnt even be 6th option. i forgot about david west

duncan might average 8ppg this year if lucky

[Hittin_Shots]

my bad. duncan wouldnt even be 6th option. i forgot about david west

duncan might average 8ppg this year if lucky

You make me wish LeBron had won this year so I wouldn't have to read any of your stupid shit

[kennethgriffin]

which is why ring counting is dumb, and used by fans that know nothing about the game outside of highlights & dunks.

in op's case, space jam.


ring counting isnt dumb. you just gotta know which rings are legit by actually having knowledge of the game


duncans rings in comparrison with others


1999 - waltonesq
2003 - hakeemesq
2005 - reedesq
2007 - gasolesq
2014 - odomesq
2016 - horryesq ( if happened )


kobes


2000 - pippenesq
2001 - jordanesq
2002 - jordanesq
2009 - jordanesq
2010 - jordanesq

[kennethgriffin]

You make me wish LeBron had won this year so I wouldn't have to read any of your stupid shit

i'm sorry

how much do you think duncan will average


considering the spurs have


Lamarcus Aldridge
David West
Kawhi Leonard
Tony Parker
Danny Green
Patty Mills
Manu Ginobili

all getting more shots than tim duncan

[ISHGoat]

kenneth in here still thinking basketball is only about about PPG and stuff like rebounding and defense doesnt matter :roll: :roll:

duncan > kobe as a player and as a career

deal with it

[kennethgriffin]

kenneth in here still thinking basketball is only about about PPG and stuff like rebounding and defense doesnt matter :roll: :roll:

duncan > kobe as a player and as a career

deal with it


when comparing guards to bigs its useless to say "this guy was the better rebounder"


it comes with being a PF/C thats 7 feet tall

kobe in comparison to other SG's is one of the greatest rebounders of all time



and both are all time great defenders

its not like duncan ever won a DPOTY... even though the award is geared towards bigs

a F/C also has an unfair advantage in making all nba and all defensive teams


duncan had 36 more chances in his career to make both 1st team all nba and 1st team defense combined ( F/F/C voting slots compared to kobes G/G )


18 for each end x2


yet overall kobe has 20 ( 11 and 9 ) and duncan has 18 ( 10 and 8 )




why is that? yes i know people wanna say duncan was more valuable cause of his position. but duncans played most of his career in an era where Bigs were a dead position. the average big man scores 10 ppg less than a guard


so kobe spent more energy chasing around guys who scored the ball twice as much

its not like dunk/layup attempts in traffic happen more than 4-5 times a game anyway.... most are when a guys wide open

duncan has 1-2 blocks a game. good for him. he saved 2-4 points out of 100



in the end its all pretty even with advantages for each guy based on position


scoring is the only translatable attribute between any position or size

and kobe absolutely blasts tim with fecal matter


its not like bigs dont have the chances to score 25-30... shaq did it


yet duncans sliding by with 15ppg as if hes bill russell averaging 25rpg/anchoring the offense with playmaking and playing the GOAT defense


nope.. its just 15ppg with good rebounding for a 7 footer while not really effecting the outcome when skipping back to backs



next year duncan wont even be needed. he'l be an 8ppg role player 7th option off the bench for 15 minutes a game


that title sure as f*ck wont count because his last one barely did with twice the output

[aj1987]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Kobe is not even close to being on Duncan's level defensively.

[BuffaloBill]

if duncan wins a 6th it would be worse for his legacy than retiring with 5



Stopped reading right there

[kennethgriffin]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Kobe is not even close to being on Duncan's level defensively.

in what way

prime kobe could shut down most star players




its way harder trying to stop a guy that averages 25ppg than a guy that averages 10ppg


duncan defended big men during the sh*t era for big men.. not impressed



and even if duncan was better defensively. kobe has 5 times the scoring accolades/achievements/milestones


and he even has more defensive accolades than duncan.


like i said before. 18 more chances to make 1st team all defense for duncan


if you factor in season ending injuries for kobe.. duncans had even more than that



yet..... kobe = 9 all defensive 1st teams, duncan = 8 al defensive 1st teams




popovich in 2005-06 ( duncans prime )

"i think kobes the most talented player in the league on BOTH ends of the floor" ( both ends = offense AND defense )


duncans own coach thinks kobes a better defender

[ISHGoat]

when comparing guards to bigs its useless to say "this guy was the better rebounder"


it comes with being a PF/C thats 7 feet tall

kobe in comparison to other SG's is one of the greatest rebounders of all time



and both are all time great defenders

its not like duncan ever won a DPOTY... even though the award is geared towards bigs

a F/C also has an unfair advantage in making all nba and all defensive teams


duncan had 36 more chances in his career to make both 1st team all nba and 1st team defense combined ( F/F/C voting slots compared to kobes G/G )


18 for each end x2


yet overall kobe has 20 ( 11 and 9 ) and duncan has 18 ( 10 and 8 )




why is that? yes i know people wanna say duncan was more valuable cause of his position. but duncans played most of his career in an era where Bigs were a dead position. the average big man scores 10 ppg less than a guard


so kobe spent more energy chasing around guys who scored the ball twice as much

its not like dunk/layup attempts in traffic happen more than 4-5 times a game anyway.... most are when a guys wide open

duncan has 1-2 blocks a game. good for him. he saved 2-4 points out of 100



in the end its all pretty even with advantages for each guy based on position


scoring is the only translatable attribute between any position or size

and kobe absolutely blasts tim with fecal matter


its not like bigs dont have the chances to score 25-30... shaq did it


yet duncans sliding by with 15ppg as if hes bill russell averaging 25rpg/anchoring the offense with playmaking and playing the GOAT defense


nope.. its just 15ppg with good rebounding for a 7 footer while not really effecting the outcome when skipping back to backs



next year duncan wont even be needed. he'l be an 8ppg role player 7th option off the bench for 15 minutes a game


that title sure as f*ck wont count because his last one barely did with twice the output

tldr, but boiled down, duncan and kobe are roughly equivalent on the offensive end while duncan can be your leader and most impactful defender and kobe can not. im sorry but being 7 foot tall and player in the middle almost gives him that edge by default. only some like MJ would have bigger two-way impact on the game because he is >> duncan/kobe on offense and duncan > mj > kobe on defense.

[kennethgriffin]

Stopped reading right there



winning role player rings to catch the all time greatest michael jordan would bring on an insane level of heat and scrutiny


duncan flew under the radar his whole life and avoided criticism because he never challenged the jordan gang

winning 6 would instantly bring voids to half his rings.



people gave duncan overrated credit for his titles all the way up to #5 because it was mainly kobe haters wanting to have fuel to attack him


if he passed kobe theyed have to reconsider their stance



the same people who boasted about duncan all this time would suddenly feel a need to defend jordan in any debate



trust me... winning 6 would be worse than retiring with 5

[kennethgriffin]

think of it this way


if bill russell had 5 titles .... the overall opinion would be by most that bill has 5 titles


but the minute anyone has 6 or more... then all of a sudden that players rings become half the value


7... 8.... 9.... 10....11


russell could have won 15 rings... 20 rings... wouldnt matter... the minute its more than Mike it becomes void


thats just the way the basketball community judges things

[SuperPippen]

When will you fools realize that attempting to argue with a sociopathic, delusional, alcoholic troll like kennethgriffin is fruitless? Everyone, even other Lakers fans, know's he's a disgraceful tw*t.

This stalking beta even has Kobe jersey framed and put up on his wall. :roll: He'll have a response for everything because he doesn't attempt to include any sort of logic or rationality in his posts.

He posts some funny gifs doe

[T_L_P]

Patty and Manu getting more shots than Duncan. :lol

[kennethgriffin]

Patty and Manu getting more shots than Duncan. :lol


theres 2 bigmen ( aldridge/west ) playing ahead of duncan with a forward also getting more shots ( kawhi )


patty will get 6-7 shots per game

manu will get 8 shots per game

duncan might get 5 shots per game

[wang4three]

I don't think he has a choice at a certain point

[T_L_P]

theres 2 bigmen ( aldridge/west ) playing ahead of duncan with a forward also getting more shots ( kawhi )


patty will get 6-7 shots per game

manu will get 8 shots per game

duncan might get 5 shots per game

:oldlol:

[aj1987]

in what way

prime kobe could shut down most star players

its way harder trying to stop a guy that averages 25ppg than a guy that averages 10ppg
When the **** has Kobe ever shut anyone down?

Oh, and big men also stop perimeter players form scoring in the paint.


duncan defended big men during the sh*t era for big men.. not impressed
:facepalm

How many world class SG's did Kobe defend in the PO's? Duncan at least player against Shaq, Bosh, LMA, etc..




and even if duncan was better defensively. kobe has 5 times the scoring accolades/achievements/milestones
Duncan is 5 times better defensively.



and he even has more defensive accolades than duncan.
Honestly, Kobe probably deserved only 3-4 first team All-Def and 3-4 2nd teams.


if you factor in season ending injuries for kobe.. duncans had even more than that
:roll:

Like Kobe was even going to be considered to make one the past two years. Wait. Considering it's Kobe and how he is gifted those All-Def selections, I wouldn't be surprised.




yet..... kobe = 9 all defensive 1st teams, duncan = 8 al defensive 1st teams

Duncan also has 7 2nd team selections, dipshit.

[SuperPippen]

And still they continue to argue. kennethgriffin, for all his numerous faults, is living in this board's head rent free. A sad sight.

[Kobe_6/8]

How many world class SG's did Kobe defend in the PO's? Duncan at least player against Shaq, Bosh, LMA, etc..






Jeff Hornacek
Hersey Hawkins
Penny Hardaway
Steve Smith
Reggie Miller
Chris Mullin
Doug Christie
Derek Anderson
Allen Iverson
Kerry Kittles
Manu
Ray Allen
Countless more...(using the standard of 'world-class' players like Bosh/LMA)

[T_L_P]

Jeff Hornacek
Hersey Hawkins
Penny Hardaway
Steve Smith
Reggie Miller
Chris Mullin
Doug Christie
Derek Anderson
Allen Iverson
Kerry Kittles
Manu
Ray Allen
Countless more...(using the standard of 'world-class' players like Bosh/LMA)

Half of those players were washed up when Kobe played them.

The best Mullin did with Kobe in the league was 13 PPG.

Derek Anderson is in the same class as Bosh/LMA? :lol

[ShawkFactory]

theres 2 bigmen ( aldridge/west ) playing ahead of duncan with a forward also getting more shots ( kawhi )


patty will get 6-7 shots per game

manu will get 8 shots per game

duncan might get 5 shots per game
Who was the BEST player on the Spurs in 2007?

[Dbrog]

duncan defended big men during the sh*t era for big men.. not impressed


:wtf: :oldlol:

Someone please add this to the "dumbest things ever said on ISH" thread!

:bowdown:

[rmt]

my bad. duncan wouldnt even be 6th option. i forgot about david west

duncan might average 8ppg this year if lucky

Some 7th option - Duncan was the best Spur this last playoff:

2015 Playoffs
Duncan 17.9 pts / 11.1 rebs / 3.3 asst / 1.3 stl / 1.4 blks 58.9%

[Smoke117]

in what way

prime kobe could shut down most star players




its way harder trying to stop a guy that averages 25ppg than a guy that averages 10ppg


duncan defended big men during the sh*t era for big men.. not impressed



and even if duncan was better defensively. kobe has 5 times the scoring accolades/achievements/milestones


and he even has more defensive accolades than duncan.


like i said before. 18 more chances to make 1st team all defense for duncan


if you factor in season ending injuries for kobe.. duncans had even more than that



yet..... kobe = 9 all defensive 1st teams, duncan = 8 al defensive 1st teams




popovich in 2005-06 ( duncans prime )

"i think kobes the most talented player in the league on BOTH ends of the floor" ( both ends = offense AND defense )


duncans own coach thinks kobes a better defender

http://i.imgur.com/4bUV7Ls.gif

I love how you always bring up defensive accolades like that means anything in a discussion between a guard and a big man defensively. Kobe has a lot more defensive accolades than say...Jermaine O'neal...but on the Pacers before he was injured he was a far more impactful defensive player than Kobe ever was...but Kobe has more accolades so he must be better. :rolleyes: The point is...Kobe is not even a better defender than Jermaine O'neal and here you are trying to argue (not very well though) him over Tim Duncan...

http://media.giphy.com/media/PMxSMgegOkoM0/giphy.gif

[aj1987]

Jeff Hornacek
Hersey Hawkins
Penny Hardaway
Steve Smith
Reggie Miller
Chris Mullin
Doug Christie
Derek Anderson
Allen Iverson
Kerry Kittles
Manu
Ray Allen
Countless more...(using the standard of 'world-class' players like Bosh/LMA)
You're kidding, right? If you aren't, do you not remember Jesus and AI taking a massive steaming dump on the Lakers?

[Springsteen]

I hope to see a couple of meltdown threads by kenneth about how Kobe's rings mean more than Duncan's eventual sixth when it happens. The entertainment can't be found anywhere else.

[rmt]

Say that the Spurs win this year and Duncan goes one up on Kobe in the ring department. Can Kobe really retire knowing that Duncan has that one ring over him? I remember when Kobe won his fifth ring, he noted that it was sweet because he had one more ring than Shaq and Duncan. Now that Duncan has caught up with him and could possibly pass him this year, could Bean let it go?

He won't have a choice, will he? Unless he's goes ring chasing on another contender.

[kennethgriffin]

I hope to see a couple of meltdown threads by kenneth about how Kobe's rings mean more than Duncan's eventual sixth when it happens. The entertainment can't be found anywhere else.


1999 - lockout ( 0.5 prestige )
2003 - legit ( 1.0 prestige )
2005 - legit, manu real fmvp though ( 0.9 prestige )
2007 - semi legit, 2nd fiddle to parker ( 0.7 prestige )
2014 - crap, 3rd option role player ( 0.3 prestige )
2016 - void, 7th option bench scrub ( 0.1 prestige )


total = 3.5



vs


2000 - semi legit, 2nd fiddle to shaq ( 0.7 prestige )
2001 - legit, highest 2nd option ppg ever ( 0.9 prestige )
2002 - legit, 2nd highest 2nd option ppg ever ( 0.9 prestige )
2009 - legit ( 1.0 prestige )
2010 - legit ( 1.0 prestige )


total = 4.5






when you actually look at the value of a ring... 5 can be better than 6



same as jordans 6 > russells 11

[K Xerxes]

1999 - lockout ( 0.5 prestige )
2003 - legit ( 1.0 prestige )
2005 - legit, manu real fmvp though ( 0.9 prestige )
2007 - semi legit, 2nd fiddle to parker ( 0.7 prestige )
2014 - crap, 3rd option role player ( 0.3 prestige )
2016 - void, 7th option bench scrub ( 0.1 prestige )


total = 3.5



vs


2000 - semi legit, 2nd fiddle to shaq ( 0.7 prestige )
2001 - legit, highest 2nd option ppg ever ( 0.9 prestige )
2002 - legit, 2nd highest 2nd option ppg ever ( 0.9 prestige )
2009 - legit ( 1.0 prestige )
2010 - legit ( 1.0 prestige )


total = 4.5

Kobe has 5 rings, and Duncan has 5 rings. No one cares about your arbitrary prestige values.

Btw, '3rd option role player' Tim Duncan was EASILY their best player in the WCF vs OKC in 2014, in which the series ended 4-2. Apparently only Kobe is allowed to receive credit for doing well in the WCF when he was playing second fiddle to Shaq, but Duncan isn't?

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe has 5 rings, and Duncan has 5 rings. No one cares about your arbitrary prestige values.

Btw, '3rd option role player' Tim Duncan was EASILY their best player in the WCF vs OKC in 2014, in which the series ended 4-2. Apparently only Kobe is allowed to receive credit for doing well in the WCF when he was playing second fiddle to Shaq, but Duncan isn't?

so when a former superstar wins as a role player after winning as a superstar half a decade prior... the role player ring counts as a superstar ring?





interdasting

[PickernRoller]

Being a corpse like Duncan? Never.