Shaq vs Wilt

[aj1987]

Imagine Wilt got put in the '90's. Shaq vs Wilt in the same era. Who you got?

[iamgine]

Thats some waq shilt.

[avonbarksdale]

shaq was playing with real athletes so

[jlip]

Regul8r's Wilt vs. Shaq post from Real GM (http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=756226&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=0#p15319747)

[senelcoolidge]

Prime Wilt? I think even young Wilt would give Shaq fits. Wilt was just more skilled and savvy. Shaq would try to overpower him and dunk on him but that would not be an easy feat since Wilt was just as strong or stronger than Shaq. Wilt could take it inside or use his fade away patented bank shot. Wilt was a better passer. Better rebounder and defender.

[STATUTORY]

whoever gets Kobe wins multiple chips, the other wallows in ignominy

[GimmeThat]

Imagine Wilt got put in the '90's. Shaq vs Wilt in the same era. Who you got?

Keeping the same ratio where Wilt would out earn the rest of the league and the same player?

Shaq.


Tell Chris Bosh I said hi.

[ClipperRevival]

Prime Wilt? I think even young Wilt would give Shaq fits. Wilt was just more skilled and savvy. Shaq would try to overpower him and dunk on him but that would not be an easy feat since Wilt was just as strong or stronger than Shaq. Wilt could take it inside or use his fade away patented bank shot. Wilt was a better passer. Better rebounder and defender.

I'm sorry but no one in the history of the NBA was stronger than Shaq down low. Shaq was a freak. First off, how many humans in the history of mankind have been that tall and big? Only a handful. And for him to possess the light feet and agility he did to go with his size? That made him an unstoppable force.

I will admit that this is a great fantasy matchup, one of the best ever. But in terms of strength, no one was stronger than Shaq.

[aj1987]

Prime Wilt? I think even young Wilt would give Shaq fits. Wilt was just more skilled and savvy. Shaq would try to overpower him and dunk on him but that would not be an easy feat since Wilt was just as strong or stronger than Shaq. Wilt could take it inside or use his fade away patented bank shot. Wilt was a better passer. Better rebounder and defender.
Based on the season he played to become the leagues leading passer and made it his mission?

Young Wilt would give Shaq problems? :oldlol:

Young Shaq:

http://cdn.sportsmemorabilia.com/sports-product-image/833-t518973-500.jpg

Young Wilt:

http://media.philly.com/images/120314_wilt-chamberlain_600.jpg

Wilt played with 3 HOF'ers a top 12 player and another top ~20 player and choked HARD in the PO's. One player's numbers went up in the RS and the Finals, while the other players' nose dived.

Shaq:
23.7 PPG in the RS
24.3 PPG in the PO's
29 PPG int he Finals

4/5 in the Finals.

Wilt:
30 PPG in the RS
22 PPG in the PO's
19 PPG in the Finals

2/6 in the Finals.

"The Big Dipper" aptly named.

[deja vu]

Wilt could be as strong as Shaq but what made Shaq unstoppable was that he really threw his weight around and just bulldozed defenders around the rim. Add to that he was quick and athletic for his size and weight. Wilt or anyone else won't be able to stop Shaq when he gets post position.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Peak?

Extremely close but Shaq...

[julizaver]

Regul8r's Wilt vs. Shaq post from Real GM (http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=756226&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=0#p15319747)

No need for more explanations ...

[Marchesk]

Wilt had better endurance, was a more explosive leaper, and was faster down the floor. So you have to factor that in.

[DonDadda59]

Wilt had better endurance, was a more explosive leaper, and was faster down the floor. So you have to factor that in.

None of those things are true. Endurance/stamina is maybe debatable.

Anyone who thinks Wilt would put up the same numbers he did against 6'8" 230lbs car salesmen in Shaq's era is completely delusional.

These were the 7 starting centers (only 8 teams in the NBA) Wilt played against his first few seasons:

Wilt's Center Competiton in '59-'60 (Rookie Year)
Bill Russell 6'10" 215 lbs

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-lbgRW29NxfM/UwY3Hh104jI/AAAAAAAAAMM/o89-EEgGfmk/s1600/Bill+Russell+Dunk.jpg

Red Kerr 6'9" 230 lbs

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/5a/87/c2/5a87c22e6ab3420c09506e60cd3290d8.jpg

Charlie Tyra 6'8" 230lbs

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Charlie_Tyra.jpeg/220px-Charlie_Tyra.jpeg

Clyde Lovellette 6'9" 234 lbs

http://cdn.sportsmemorabilia.com/sports-product-image/1097-t1324468-500.jpg

Walter Dukes 7' 220 lbs

http://www.samanacollege.org/walter/walter01-thumb.jpg

Jim Krebs 6'8" 230 lbs

http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nba/lala/HundleyLA.jpg

Phil Jordon 6'10" 205 lbs

http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nba/detroit/JordonDet.jpg


Look at what happened to Wilt's scoring once the league started integrating more and bigger, more skilled centers entered the league in the late 60s-early 70s. From age 25 to age 30, his PPG was cut in half. And that was with teams playing at a pace upwards of 130.

[HighFlyer23]

Shaq punishes Wilt

[GIF REACTION]

None of those things are true. Endurance/stamina is maybe debatable.

Anyone who thinks Wilt would put up the same numbers he did against 6'8" 230lbs car salesmen in Shaq's era is completely delusional.

These were the 7 starting centers (only 8 teams in the NBA) Wilt played against his first few seasons:

Wilt's Center Competiton in '59-'60 (Rookie Year)
Bill Russell 6'10" 215 lbs

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-lbgRW29NxfM/UwY3Hh104jI/AAAAAAAAAMM/o89-EEgGfmk/s1600/Bill+Russell+Dunk.jpg

Red Kerr 6'9" 230 lbs

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/5a/87/c2/5a87c22e6ab3420c09506e60cd3290d8.jpg

Charlie Tyra 6'8" 230lbs

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Charlie_Tyra.jpeg/220px-Charlie_Tyra.jpeg

Clyde Lovellette 6'9" 234 lbs

http://cdn.sportsmemorabilia.com/sports-product-image/1097-t1324468-500.jpg

Walter Dukes 7' 220 lbs

http://www.samanacollege.org/walter/walter01-thumb.jpg

Jim Krebs 6'8" 230 lbs

http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nba/lala/HundleyLA.jpg

Phil Jordon 6'10" 205 lbs

http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nba/detroit/JordonDet.jpg


Look at what happened to Wilt's scoring once the league started integrating more and bigger, more skilled centers entered the league in the late 60s-early 70s. From age 25 to age 30, his PPG was cut in half. And that was with teams playing at a pace upwards of 130.
Waiting for Cavs or Lazzerus to respond

[Marchesk]

Waiting for Cavs or Lazzerus to respond

Why pick on Wilt's rookie season? Because there was no Thurmond, Bellamy, Unseld, Reed, Jabbar around yet?

How was Shaq's competition in the finals at center?

[Psileas]

None of those things are true. Endurance/stamina is maybe debatable.

Anyone who thinks Wilt would put up the same numbers he did against 6'8" 230lbs car salesmen in Shaq's era is completely delusional.

These were the 7 starting centers (only 8 teams in the NBA) Wilt played against his first few seasons:

Wilt's Center Competiton in '59-'60 (Rookie Year)
Bill Russell 6'10" 215 lbs

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-lbgRW29NxfM/UwY3Hh104jI/AAAAAAAAAMM/o89-EEgGfmk/s1600/Bill+Russell+Dunk.jpg

Red Kerr 6'9" 230 lbs

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/5a/87/c2/5a87c22e6ab3420c09506e60cd3290d8.jpg

Charlie Tyra 6'8" 230lbs

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Charlie_Tyra.jpeg/220px-Charlie_Tyra.jpeg

Clyde Lovellette 6'9" 234 lbs

http://cdn.sportsmemorabilia.com/sports-product-image/1097-t1324468-500.jpg

Walter Dukes 7' 220 lbs

http://www.samanacollege.org/walter/walter01-thumb.jpg

Jim Krebs 6'8" 230 lbs

http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nba/lala/HundleyLA.jpg

Phil Jordon 6'10" 205 lbs

http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nba/detroit/JordonDet.jpg


Is this supposed to be an anti-Wilt argument?
Russell needs no intro and Wilt averaged 40 ppg vs him as a rookie.
Kerr and Lovellette were very good, especially the second.
Dukes was a legit 7 footer.

That's already 50% of rookie Wilt's competition. 3 out of these 4 played in the East as well and 2 of them were Wilt's playoff competition.



Look at what happened to Wilt's scoring once the league started integrating more and bigger, more skilled centers entered the league in the late 60s-early 70s. From age 25 to age 30, his PPG was cut in half. And that was with teams playing at a pace upwards of 130.

Do you think Wilt's scoring fell by half because of competition? How about 1966? In a league with Russell, Thurmond, Bellamy, Reed and Beaty, in an 8 opponent teams' league, Wilt still averaged a league leading 33.5 ppg on a league leading 54% FG, winning MVP. On a pace of 121, not "upwards of 130" - and pace hardly matters for a center as long as he doesn't finish a lot of fast-breaks.
Nothing changed in Wilt's competition in 1967. He cut his scoring willingly and shot at a sky-high percentage.

[LAZERUSS]

Based on the season he played to become the leagues leading passer and made it his mission?

Young Wilt would give Shaq problems? :oldlol:

Young Shaq:

http://cdn.sportsmemorabilia.com/sports-product-image/833-t518973-500.jpg

Young Wilt:

http://media.philly.com/images/120314_wilt-chamberlain_600.jpg

Wilt played with 3 HOF'ers a top 12 player and another top ~20 player and choked HARD in the PO's. One player's numbers went up in the RS and the Finals, while the other players' nose dived.

Shaq:
23.7 PPG in the RS
24.3 PPG in the PO's
29 PPG int he Finals

4/5 in the Finals.

Wilt:
30 PPG in the RS
22 PPG in the PO's
19 PPG in the Finals

2/6 in the Finals.

"The Big Dipper" aptly named.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Wilt took a LAST PLACE roster to a 49-26 record,..and then single-handedly carried that pathetic cast of clowns (Two of his "HOFers" were Gola and Rodgers...go ahead and look them up...:roll: :roll: :roll: ) to a first round playoff win, with a 39 ppg 23 rpg series...

and then to a game six, two point loss, against Russell's 59-16 Celtics with their their SEVEN HOFers...in a series in which Chamberlain just destroyed Russell (31 ppg, 27 rpg, and on a .500 FG% ...in a post-season NBA that shot .402.)

Howe about Shaq's rookie season. He got his team to a 41-41 record, and couldn't even get them to the playoffs.

Wilt >>>> Shaq.

[TheMan]

Lol at this being a debate...

Shaq easily

[STATUTORY]

None of those things are true. Endurance/stamina is maybe debatable.

Anyone who thinks Wilt would put up the same numbers he did against 6'8" 230lbs car salesmen in Shaq's era is completely delusional.

These were the 7 starting centers (only 8 teams in the NBA) Wilt played against his first few seasons:

Wilt's Center Competiton in '59-'60 (Rookie Year)
Bill Russell 6'10" 215 lbs

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-lbgRW29NxfM/UwY3Hh104jI/AAAAAAAAAMM/o89-EEgGfmk/s1600/Bill+Russell+Dunk.jpg

Red Kerr 6'9" 230 lbs

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/5a/87/c2/5a87c22e6ab3420c09506e60cd3290d8.jpg

Charlie Tyra 6'8" 230lbs

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Charlie_Tyra.jpeg/220px-Charlie_Tyra.jpeg

Clyde Lovellette 6'9" 234 lbs

http://cdn.sportsmemorabilia.com/sports-product-image/1097-t1324468-500.jpg

Walter Dukes 7' 220 lbs

http://www.samanacollege.org/walter/walter01-thumb.jpg

Jim Krebs 6'8" 230 lbs

http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nba/lala/HundleyLA.jpg

Phil Jordon 6'10" 205 lbs

http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nba/detroit/JordonDet.jpg


Look at what happened to Wilt's scoring once the league started integrating more and bigger, more skilled centers entered the league in the late 60s-early 70s. From age 25 to age 30, his PPG was cut in half. And that was with teams playing at a pace upwards of 130.

:roll: :roll: hard to take those white boys in high socks and converse seriously

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Shaq would just dunk the ball on nikkas and use his GOAT level athleticism/physical talents. He aint care he hit teams down, Wilt was more emotional wanted to appeal to the masses and have a finesse game. Nikka wanted to shoot fadeaways and finger rolls when he one of the 5 most physically talented players ever:lol :lol :lol thats why he always struggled in the playoffs and Shaq was so great there prolly 2nd to MJ

[Elosha]

Wilt had better endurance, was a more explosive leaper, and was faster down the floor. So you have to factor that in.

I think this is a very close contest, and one in which both greats should be given their due respect. But the above bold portion is wrong in my opinion. Shaq was an incredible leaper for his size, and in my opinion was more explosive than Chamberlain, based on the footage we have. I have to discount horrible across court camera angles that show Wilt blocking shots at "rim level" "top of the backboard" when such angles are known to greatly exaggerate how high the player jumps. Pretty much every good angle of Wilt dunking or blocking shows him well below the rim. Not to say that he couldn't get that high, but we've got a fairly good amount of footage of his dunks/blocks and I've yet to see him clearly at rim level. Shaq on the other hand has multiple such dunks, such as: (watch the replays)

https://youtu.be/eVycsmQuoPA?t=66
(hand if extended very close to top of backboard)

https://youtu.be/eVycsmQuoPA?t=67
(off a spin move away from his man:applause: )

https://youtu.be/aSI7NpnhkXQ?t=258
(block in college, not the greatest angle, but he's definitely way up there)

By the way Cavs, in these two VIDEOS ALONE, you see probably dozens of facial dunks, sometimes over and through two or more defenders while being fouled. Wilt was a powerful dunker in his own right, but for my money there has never been a more powerful and devastating dunker than Shaq.

Now who is better between the two is another question that I don't have time for right now...

[DonDadda59]

Why pick on Wilt's rookie season? Because there was no Thurmond, Bellamy, Unseld, Reed, Jabbar around yet?

How exactly am I 'picking' on his rookie season? Those were ALL the Center starters in the NBA, that was his competition on a nightly basis. It's not like I nitpicked anything? Those were all the starting NBA centers in '59-'60.

And when those guys you listed came along later in Wilt's career, you saw his scoring numbers get cut literally in half. He was only 30 when he was scoring 24 PPG, a far cry from the 40-50 PPG seasons he had just 5 years earlier when he was duking it out with Walter Dukes.

By the 70s, he was a DeAndre Jordan type player. He was past his prime of course.


How was Shaq's competition in the finals at center?

Overall, not great. But Hakeem>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Anyone Wilt played against until the 70s.

And the centers Shaq faced upon entering the league were in another galaxy compared to what Wilt faced at the beginning of his career.

[Marchesk]

And when those guys you listed came along later in Wilt's career, you saw his scoring numbers get cut literally in half. He was only 30 when he was scoring 24 PPG, a far cry from the 40-50 PPG seasons he had just 5 years earlier when he was duking it out with Walter Dukes.

Yeah, 24 ppg on 68% shooting and almost 8 assists for a 68 win team. Might have had something to do with the role he had on the 76ers, and the kind of talent around him. Wilt didn't need to volume score.

But that doesn't mean he couldn't have. Plus, he won the MVP and the 76ers ended the Celtics 8 title run in 5 games.

[LAZERUSS]

Yeah, 24 ppg on 68% shooting and almost 8 assists for a 68 win team. Might have had something to do with the role he had on the 76ers, and the kind of talent around him. Wilt didn't need to volume score.

But that doesn't mean he couldn't have. Plus, he won the MVP and the 76ers ended the Celtics 8 title run in 5 games.

From the 66-67 season thru his 68-69 season, Wilt had games of 52, 53, 53, 58, 60, 66, and 68 points.

Oh, and his new coach in the 69-70 season asked Wilt to become the focal point of the offense...and he was leading the league in scoring at 32.2 ppg (on a .579 FG%), when he shredded his knee. Hell, in the game he blew out his knee, he had scored 33 points in only 28 minutes, and on 13-14 shooting. He was on his way to another 40+, maybe even 50+ point game.

[aj1987]

Wilt took a LAST PLACE roster to a 49-26 record,..and then single-handedly carried that pathetic cast of clowns (Two of his "HOFers" were Gola and Rodgers...go ahead and look them up...) to a first round playoff win, with a 39 ppg 23 rpg series...

and then to a game six, two point loss, against Russell's 59-16 Celtics with their their SEVEN HOFers...in a series in which Chamberlain just destroyed Russell (31 ppg, 27 rpg, and on a .500 FG% ...in a post-season NBA that shot .402.)

Howe about Shaq's rookie season. He got his team to a 41-41 record, and couldn't even get them to the playoffs.

Shaq >>>> Wilt.
FTFY. :cheers:

Wilt played with 3 HOF'ers a top 12 player and another top ~20 player and choked HARD in the PO's. One player's numbers went up in the RS and the Finals, while the other players' nose dived.

Shaq:

23.7 PPG in the RS
24.3 PPG in the PO's
29 PPG in the Finals

4/5 in the Finals.

Wilt:

30 PPG in the RS
22 PPG in the PO's
19 PPG in the Finals

2/6 in the Finals.

"The Big Dipper" aptly named.

[LAZERUSS]

FTFY. :cheers:

Wilt played with 3 HOF'ers a top 12 player and another top ~20 player and choked HARD in the PO's. One player's numbers went up in the RS and the Finals, while the other players' nose dived.

Shaq:

23.7 PPG in the RS
24.3 PPG in the PO's
29 PPG in the Finals

4/5 in the Finals.

Wilt:

30 PPG in the RS
22 PPG in the PO's
19 PPG in the Finals

2/6 in the Finals.

"The Big Dipper" aptly named.


How many Finals was Wilt outrebounded in? ZERO. How about Shaq? He was manhandled on the glass by a 6-7 Ben Wallace. He was also slaughtered by a 6-8 Rodman in the '96 ECF's.

How many Finals was Chamberlain outshot in? ZERO. Shaq...outshot by a 35 year old Mutombo.

BTW, Shaq hung a 33 ppg .555 series on 35 year old Mutombo.

Chamberlain hung a 30-31 .555 series on a 30 year old Russell.

When a prime Wilt faced a center who was considerably better than Todd McCullough ever was... a 39-23 .559 series (in a post-season that shot .420 overall...or a full 13 percentage points above the league average.)

[Bless Mathews]

From the 66-67 season thru his 68-69 season, Wilt had games of 52, 53, 53, 58, 60, 66, and 68 points.

Oh, and his new coach in the 69-70 season asked Wilt to become the focal point of the offense...and he was leading the league in scoring at 32.2 ppg (on a .579 FG%), when he shredded his knee. Hell, in the game he blew out his knee, he had scored 33 points in only 28 minutes, and on 13-14 shooting. He was on his way to another 40+, maybe even 50+ point game.


Not hard against high school level talent.

Did you not see them scrubs he was going against?

220 pounds?

Are you serious?

Your delusional.


Shaq would AVERAGE 100 a game against them high school level, 200 pound white boys.

[Bless Mathews]

None of those things are true. Endurance/stamina is maybe debatable.

Anyone who thinks Wilt would put up the same numbers he did against 6'8" 230lbs car salesmen in Shaq's era is completely delusional.

These were the 7 starting centers (only 8 teams in the NBA) Wilt played against his first few seasons:

Wilt's Center Competiton in '59-'60 (Rookie Year)
Bill Russell 6'10" 215 lbs

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-lbgRW29NxfM/UwY3Hh104jI/AAAAAAAAAMM/o89-EEgGfmk/s1600/Bill+Russell+Dunk.jpg

Red Kerr 6'9" 230 lbs

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/5a/87/c2/5a87c22e6ab3420c09506e60cd3290d8.jpg

Charlie Tyra 6'8" 230lbs

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Charlie_Tyra.jpeg/220px-Charlie_Tyra.jpeg

Clyde Lovellette 6'9" 234 lbs

http://cdn.sportsmemorabilia.com/sports-product-image/1097-t1324468-500.jpg

Walter Dukes 7' 220 lbs

http://www.samanacollege.org/walter/walter01-thumb.jpg

Jim Krebs 6'8" 230 lbs

http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nba/lala/HundleyLA.jpg

Phil Jordon 6'10" 205 lbs

http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nba/detroit/JordonDet.jpg


Look at what happened to Wilt's scoring once the league started integrating more and bigger, more skilled centers entered the league in the late 60s-early 70s. From age 25 to age 30, his PPG was cut in half. And that was with teams playing at a pace upwards of 130.

Slay of the decade nominee.


That is absolutely hilarious.


Them 200 pound white boys that couldn't bench 185 would get anihilated by high school kids today.

Let alone a player that literally tore down an entire hoop.

Wilt Is most overrated player ever.

Best competitor , Russell has the frame of durant.

And just rotated against those scrubs over and over


What a joke.

[aj1987]

How many Finals was Wilt outrebounded in? ZERO. How about Shaq? He was manhandled on the glass by a 6-7 Ben Wallace. He was also slaughtered by a 6-8 Rodman in the '96 ECF's.

How many Finals was Chamberlain outshot in? ZERO. Shaq...outshot by a 35 year old Mutombo.

BTW, Shaq hung a 33 ppg .555 series on 35 year old Mutombo.

Chamberlain hung a 30-31 .555 series on a 30 year old Russell.

When a prime Wilt faced a center who was considerably better than Todd McCullough ever was... a 39-23 .559 series (in a post-season that shot .420 overall...or a full 13 percentage points above the league average.) Wilt played with 3 HOF'ers a top 12 player and another top ~20 player and choked HARD in the PO's. One player's numbers went up in the RS and the Finals, while the other players' nose dived.

Shaq:

23.7 PPG in the RS
24.3 PPG in the PO's
29 PPG in the Finals

4/5 in the Finals.

Wilt:

30 PPG in the RS
22 PPG in the PO's
19 PPG in the Finals

2/6 in the Finals.

"The Big Dipper" aptly named.

Oh, and 7'1" "300" lbs Wilt Chokerlain lost to 6'10" 240 Russell 7 time. :roll:

[julizaver]

Shaq punishes Wilt

Say hello to the big daddy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU43dTuMuig

Somehow O'Neal's arm remain with his body.

[julizaver]

Oh, and 7'1" "300" lbs Wilt Chokerlain lost to 6'10" 240 Russell 7 time. :roll:

While averaging almost 30 pts (on 0.500 shooting) , 30 rebs per game in the course of 10 years (143 games) rivalry vs the highly regarded best defensive and rebounding player ever.

Yes his teams lost 7 times vs Celtics, but his 76s team was the only one beating the mighty Celtics in the period of 11 years. And the Celtics were so great that they won it in 1957 and 1959 also. Had Russel not bein injured in 1958 it would be 12 titles in 13 yeas in proffesional sport. Wilt's team was probably the weakiest team upon his arrival.

The conclusion - the teams won the chips, not the individual briliance. Could someone in his right mind blame Lebron for loosing in this year Finals with his depleted injury roster ? Did the Cavs had any chance after Irving injury ?

[STATUTORY]

Clyde Lovellette 6'9" 234 lbs

http://cdn.sportsmemorabilia.com/sports-product-image/1097-t1324468-500.jpg


how good would this guy be in the modern NBA?

[aj1987]

While averaging almost 30 pts (on 0.500 shooting) , 30 rebs per game in the course of 10 years (143 games) rivalry vs the highly regarded best defensive and rebounding player ever.

Yes his teams lost 7 times vs Celtics, but his 76s team was the only one beating the mighty Celtics in the period of 11 years. And the Celtics were so great that they won it in 1957 and 1959 also. Had Russel not bein injured in 1958 it would be 12 titles in 13 yeas in proffesional sport. Wilt's team was probably the weakiest team upon his arrival.

The conclusion - the teams won the chips, not the individual briliance. Could someone in his right mind blame Lebron for loosing in this year Finals with his depleted injury roster ? Did the Cavs had any chance after Irving injury ?
Didn't Wilt lose with MULTIPLE HOF'ers ON his team? Damn! You Wilt stans have some selective memory.

[deja vu]

how good would this guy be in the modern NBA?
Poor man's Luke Walton.

[aj1987]

Homelessman's Luke Walton.
FTFY.

[PHILA]

Phil Jackson played against Wilt from 1968-73 (age 31-36).


Los Angeles Times - June 16, 2013 (http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jun/16/sports/la-sp-ln-phil-jackson-compares-wilt-chamberlain-shaquille-oneal-20130616)

Phil Jackson compares Wilt Chamberlain and Shaquille O'Neal

Phil Jackson coached Shaquille O'Neal with the Lakers. In his playing days, Jackson was occasionally charged with guarding Wilt Chamberlain.

Jackson compared the two legendary centers Wednesday night in Glendale at the Alex Theatre at his "Live Talks Los Angeles" event.

"Shaquille didn't have quite the same athleticism that Wilt had," said Jackson. "He had the bounce and he had the speed, but he didn't have the endurance."

As detailed in his memoir, "Eleven Rings: The Soul of Success," Jackson told O'Neal that Chamberlain's greatest accomplishment came in the 1961-62 season when he averaged 48.5 minutes a game.

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Jackson challenged O'Neal in their first season together (1999-2000) to get in better physical condition to improve his endurance.

While defending Chamberlain, Jackson found some techniques that worked.

"One of the things we were taught, just get in Wilt's path. He doesn't like the offensive foul," said Jackson on Wednesday. "If you take his shoulder and you fake an offensive foul, take the charge so to speak, he really would stop being aggressive. That was the one thing that was kind of a limitation in Wilt's game."

In other words — flop.

O'Neal was faster from one end of the court to the other, at least to the offensive end.

"Shaq was a post sprinter," said Jackson. "He'd go and get in the lane."

Chamberlain took a much slower path.

"Wilt was never much of a post sprinter. He used to take his time," said Jackson. "When he rebounded, a lot of times he'd make the guards come back to him to get the ball — so he'd be down there when the ball got to the other end of the court."

O'Neal also had a move that Chamberlain didn't use — and vice-versa.

"[O'Neal] had a jump hook whereas Wilt didn't have a jump hook, he had an array of shots, he had a hook, a finger roll and a turnaround jump shot," said Jackson. "[Chamberlain] led the league in assists one year."

They both had the same flaw in their games.

"Free-throw shooting? [Issues] on both sides," said Jackson. "Even then, at that time, you fouled Wilt if he was underneath the lane."

[LAZERUSS]

Phil Jackson played against Wilt from 1968-73 (age 31-36).


Los Angeles Times - June 16, 2013 (http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jun/16/sports/la-sp-ln-phil-jackson-compares-wilt-chamberlain-shaquille-oneal-20130616)

Phil Jackson compares Wilt Chamberlain and Shaquille O'Neal

Phil Jackson coached Shaquille O'Neal with the Lakers. In his playing days, Jackson was occasionally charged with guarding Wilt Chamberlain.

Jackson compared the two legendary centers Wednesday night in Glendale at the Alex Theatre at his "Live Talks Los Angeles" event.

"Shaquille didn't have quite the same athleticism that Wilt had," said Jackson. "He had the bounce and he had the speed, but he didn't have the endurance."

As detailed in his memoir, "Eleven Rings: The Soul of Success," Jackson told O'Neal that Chamberlain's greatest accomplishment came in the 1961-62 season when he averaged 48.5 minutes a game.

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Jackson challenged O'Neal in their first season together (1999-2000) to get in better physical condition to improve his endurance.

While defending Chamberlain, Jackson found some techniques that worked.

"One of the things we were taught, just get in Wilt's path. He doesn't like the offensive foul," said Jackson on Wednesday. "If you take his shoulder and you fake an offensive foul, take the charge so to speak, he really would stop being aggressive. That was the one thing that was kind of a limitation in Wilt's game."

In other words — flop.

O'Neal was faster from one end of the court to the other, at least to the offensive end.

"Shaq was a post sprinter," said Jackson. "He'd go and get in the lane."

Chamberlain took a much slower path.

"Wilt was never much of a post sprinter. He used to take his time," said Jackson. "When he rebounded, a lot of times he'd make the guards come back to him to get the ball — so he'd be down there when the ball got to the other end of the court."

O'Neal also had a move that Chamberlain didn't use — and vice-versa.

"[O'Neal] had a jump hook whereas Wilt didn't have a jump hook, he had an array of shots, he had a hook, a finger roll and a turnaround jump shot," said Jackson. "[Chamberlain] led the league in assists one year."

They both had the same flaw in their games.

"Free-throw shooting? [Issues] on both sides," said Jackson. "Even then, at that time, you fouled Wilt if he was underneath the lane."

Phil Jackson NEVER saw a PRIME Chamberlain. He was a rookie in 1968, and played 15 mpg that year.

So you can take his "biased" view with a grain of salt.

Much like Bill Simmons...who was born in 1969, and after Russell retired. He never sniffed a live game by either Russell, or Wilt.

BTW, if you want a CREDIBLE opinion from a player that has seen both Wilt and Shaq live...(most of the interview took place in 2013)...and particularly his comments from the 3:00 mark...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSTt_TxoFVo

[Poochymama]

Wilt played with 3 HOF'ers a top 12 player and another top ~20 player and choked HARD in the PO's. One player's numbers went up in the RS and the Finals, while the other players' nose dived.

Shaq:

23.7 PPG in the RS
24.3 PPG in the PO's
29 PPG in the Finals

4/5 in the Finals.

Wilt:

30 PPG in the RS
22 PPG in the PO's
19 PPG in the Finals

2/6 in the Finals.

"The Big Dipper" aptly named.

Oh, and 7'1" "300" lbs Wilt Chokerlain lost to 6'10" 240 Russell 7 time. :roll:

/thread

I like how he tried to avoid it by focusing on rebounding. :roll:

[La Frescobaldi]

Phil Jackson NEVER saw a PRIME Chamberlain. He was a rookie in 1968, and played 15 mpg that year.

So you can take his "biased" view with a grain of salt.

Much like Bill Simmons...who was born in 1969, and after Russell retired. He never sniffed a live game by either Russell, or Wilt.

BTW, if you want a CREDIBLE opinion from a player that has seen both Wilt and Shaq live...(most of the interview took place in 2013)...and particularly his comments from the 3:00 mark...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSTt_TxoFVo

What are you talking about? Of course he saw him, he all those guys

P Jax says in one of his books seeing Chamberlain play was one of the main reasons he started playing hoops.
And if you don't think chamberlain was at his peak years in '68 then you are sadly mistaken.

[Lebron23]

Give me Shaquille O'Neal. He's always been the better player.

[plowking]

None of those things are true. Endurance/stamina is maybe debatable.

Anyone who thinks Wilt would put up the same numbers he did against 6'8" 230lbs car salesmen in Shaq's era is completely delusional.

These were the 7 starting centers (only 8 teams in the NBA) Wilt played against his first few seasons:

Wilt's Center Competiton in '59-'60 (Rookie Year)
Bill Russell 6'10" 215 lbs

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-lbgRW29NxfM/UwY3Hh104jI/AAAAAAAAAMM/o89-EEgGfmk/s1600/Bill+Russell+Dunk.jpg

Red Kerr 6'9" 230 lbs

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/5a/87/c2/5a87c22e6ab3420c09506e60cd3290d8.jpg

Charlie Tyra 6'8" 230lbs

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Charlie_Tyra.jpeg/220px-Charlie_Tyra.jpeg

Clyde Lovellette 6'9" 234 lbs

http://cdn.sportsmemorabilia.com/sports-product-image/1097-t1324468-500.jpg

Walter Dukes 7' 220 lbs

http://www.samanacollege.org/walter/walter01-thumb.jpg

Jim Krebs 6'8" 230 lbs

http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nba/lala/HundleyLA.jpg

Phil Jordon 6'10" 205 lbs

http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nba/detroit/JordonDet.jpg


Look at what happened to Wilt's scoring once the league started integrating more and bigger, more skilled centers entered the league in the late 60s-early 70s. From age 25 to age 30, his PPG was cut in half. And that was with teams playing at a pace upwards of 130.

Not even a 20 year gap between when Wilt and Jordan played and you try and make there era sound out of date and like there is some massive difference. Yet the same applies to now and Jordan and you live in a hypocritical world where basketball has somehow gotten worse in that 20 year gap, but not the one you talk about. :oldlol:

This hypocrite with his "my era was the best" agenda.

Basketball now> any era of basketball ever.

[AirFederer]

Also known as the differnce between winning and losing

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