The greatest 3rd options of all time

[3ball]

Ray Allen, Celtics: 10-time all-star

Chris Bosh, Heat: 10-time all-star

Robert Parish, Celtics: 9-time all-star

James Worthy, Lakers: 7-time all-star


Am I missing anyone?.. I thought about Barkley on 1996 Rockets but I think he was a 2nd option and he didn't win a championship.

[oarabbus]

Doesn't fit your agenda, but if we say best 3rd player you could definitely add HOFer, multiple all star, 2x DPOY 7x rebounding champ Dennis Rodman.

Can you even imagine if you swapped Klay Thompson or Barnes for a prime Rodman? damn.

[dubeta]

Am I missing anyone?..


1995 Jordan


MJ came back from baseball, and joined the surging Bulls who were already established with Pippen emerging as a superstar, averaging 21.4, 8.1, 5.2, and Kukoc averaging 16, 5, 5 as one of the top if not the best international player in the league. His scoring increased 31% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kukocto01.html) that season as he was no longer constraint with Jordan's frequent isolations, and emerged as a secondary star.

Sadly, Jordan was not even top 3 in total points (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/1995.html) for the Bulls that season, but I objectively concede he was a top 3 player for the Bulls due to them going 13-4 once he arrived, eventually losing to the Magic in the 2nd round.

[Lebron23]

Doesn't fit your agenda, but if we say best 3rd player you could definitely add HOFer, multiple all star, 2x DPOY 7x rebounding champ Dennis Rodman.

Can you even imagine if you swapped Klay Thompson or Iguodala for a prime Rodman? damn.


And he was the Bulls best player in the 1996 NBA Finals.

[KembaWalker]

And he was the Bulls best player in the 1996 NBA Finals.

It's like you wanna be seen as a retard on these forums :biggums:

[imnew09]

Lebeta played with 2 greatest 3rd option :wtf:

[Lebron23]

It's like you wanna be seen as a retard on these forums :biggums:


He was their Most Valuable Player in the Finals. If you watch that series Rodman was very consistent. Jordan automatically win the Finals MVP after leading his team in scoring 27 ppg on 40 FG%.

The 1996 NBA Finals was my first NBA Finals series.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Ray Allen, Celtics: 10-time all-star

Chris Bosh, Heat: 10-time all-star

Robert Parish, Celtics: 9-time all-star

James Worthy, Lakers: 7-time all-star


Am I missing anyone?.. I thought about Barkley on 1996 Rockets but I think he was a 2nd option and he didn't win a championship.

You're missing Manu, Jo Jo White, Andrew Toney, you can even say a dude like Hondo at some point too, and a few others.

All in all, I'd probably go with Worthy on the subject at hand...

I guess you mean 3rd ->scoring<- options though, but you got dudes like Rodman who was the 3rd best player on those Bulls' squads, big impact; Russell wasn't a top2 scorer on his own team plenty of times despite being their best player for the vast majority of their title runs, and upping his scoring for the Playoffs; Wilt was most likely the best player on the '72 Lakers and wasn't top3 in points, for them...

[nzahir]

Ray Allen, Celtics: 10-time all-star

Chris Bosh, Heat: 10-time all-star

Robert Parish, Celtics: 9-time all-star

James Worthy, Lakers: 7-time all-star


Am I missing anyone?.. I thought about Barkley on 1996 Rockets but I think he was a 2nd option and he didn't win a championship.
:facepalm THIS DUMBSHIT DOESNT ACCOUNT THE YEAR THE PLAYER JOINS THE TEAM, GODDAMN. So kobe had karl malone, payton, with shaq, and even horace grant in 04.
So 11 points, 3 rebounds, 2 assists is a 3rd option now? And that was his better year on mia, 45% fg too. LMFAO. YOU ARE ONE OF THE TOP 5 WORST POSTERS ON HERE. If thats a 3rd option then lebron has played with least talent ever.
Best 3rd options ever were Worthy, parish, and rodman. Stop it, you just make yourself look stupid every time.

[nzahir]

Wait...jordan has parish in 1997...HOLY **** 3BALL HAS DOWNSYNDROME.
He ethered himself; so parish, rodman, kukoc, kerr, harper, and pippen...most stacked of all time

[oarabbus]

It's like you wanna be seen as a retard on these forums :biggums:


It's actually not that insane.

http://skepticalsports.com/the-case-for-dennis-rodman-guide/

This guy has an insanely in depth analysis of Rodman's unnatural greatness. He literally impacted the game more than almost anyone. This guy shows that Rodman was an even greater rebounder than Jordan was a scorer. Scoring is obviously more important but the analysis is pretty good.


Wait...jordan has parish in 1997...HOLY **** 3BALL HAS DOWNSYNDROME.
He ethered himself; so parish, rodman, kukoc, kerr, harper, and pippen...most stacked of all time


INSANELY stacked. Not only was Pippen absolutely incredible but damn, Rodman was on another level. Just on another planet. That's a Big 3 better than almost any other AND he had Parish, Kukoc, etc for help too.

[pastis]

christ bosh wouldnt even be a 2x all star in the west

[TheMan]

:facepalm THIS DUMBSHIT DOESNT ACCOUNT THE YEAR THE PLAYER JOINS THE TEAM, GODDAMN. So kobe had karl malone, payton, with shaq, and even horace grant in 04.
So 11 points, 3 rebounds, 2 assists is a 3rd option now? And that was his better year on mia, 45% fg too. LMFAO. YOU ARE ONE OF THE TOP 5 WORST POSTERS ON HERE. If thats a 3rd option then lebron has played with least talent ever.
Best 3rd options ever were Worthy, parish, and rodman. Stop it, you just make yourself look stupid every time.
Prime Rodman, maybe. Not 35 year old Rodman though. I like me some Worm but he's not the 3rd GOAT in the history of the league :coleman:

[nzahir]

Prime Rodman, maybe. Not 35 year old Rodman though. I like me some Worm but he's not the 3rd GOAT in the history of the league :coleman:
He led the league in rebounding all the 3 years from 96-98 and was still an elite defender. But I didnt put him at 1; I have worthy and parish maybe over him. But for 3ball to not even consider him shows his bias yet he puts a 37-38 year old ray allen up there. Probably the worst poster on here tbh, anyone down to get him wacked?

[TheMan]

It's actually not that insane.

http://skepticalsports.com/the-case-for-dennis-rodman-guide/

This guy has an insanely in depth analysis of Rodman's unnatural greatness. He literally impacted the game more than almost anyone. This guy shows that Rodman was an even greater rebounder than Jordan was a scorer. Scoring is obviously more important but the analysis is pretty good.




INSANELY stacked. Not only was Pippen absolutely incredible but damn, Rodman was on another level. Just on another planet. That's a Big 3 better than almost any other AND he had Parish, Kukoc, etc for help too.Parish hardly played, lol. You guys now acting as if the Bulls were stacked like the 80s 76ers, Lakers, Celtics and Pistons :oldlol:

[bdreason]

Detlef Schrempf was pretty sick.

19/6/4 on 52/51/84% as a 3rd option.

[nzahir]

Parish hardly played, lol. You guys now acting as if the Bulls were stacked like the 80s 76ers, Lakers, Celtics and Pistons :oldlol:
But 3ball's logic says that if the player is on the team, no matter the age or minutes he played, his impact should be the same as his prime.
And those bulls teams were as stacked as others, if not more; HERE IS THE PROOF.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/where-this-years-cavs-rank-among-lebrons-nba-finals-supporting-casts/

[oarabbus]

But 3ball's logic says that if the player is on the team, no matter the age or minutes he played, his impact should be the same as his prime.
And those bulls teams were as stacked as others, if not more; HERE IS THE PROOF.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/where-this-years-cavs-rank-among-lebrons-nba-finals-supporting-casts/

https://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/paine-datalab-lebron-cast-2.png
Jordan with the #1 most stacked supporting cast of all time. Not surprised, Jordan stans dropping like flies

[bdreason]

Tim Hardaway was arguably still a 3rd option in his sophomore season as well, when he averaged; 23/4/10 on 48/39/80%.

[nzahir]

https://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/paine-datalab-lebron-cast-2.png
Jordan with the #1 most stacked supporting cast of all time. Not surprised, Jordan stans dropping like flies
Yup, he is still goat(as a lebron fan) but his stans are so annoying and think his team wasnt stacked...he had the most help of all time with magic and bird. While lebron has arguably had the least help of any top 10 player of all time(eventually top 5, may end up #2 tbh)

[TheMan]

He led the league in rebounding all the 3 years from 96-98 and was still an elite defender. But I didnt put him at 1; I have worthy and parish maybe over him. But for 3ball to not even consider him shows his bias yet he puts a 37-38 year old ray allen up there. Probably the worst poster on here tbh, anyone down to get him wacked?
That's because that's all he did, rebound. Not hating on Rodman but he was a black hole on offense, stickbacks was basically all he had on the offensive end. I prefer a more balanced player. There were a few series where MJ could've had more help from his teammates scoringwise. Check some of the stats his "stacked" team put up in those last two Finals series. It was MJ carrying the offense load pretty much, you don't think he would've like more help on that end? Just going off the top of my head, in the 98 Finals, Jordan avged close to 33 ppg, Scottie and Toni 15 ppg each and thats it. Kerr avged 4 ppg :bowdown: MJ avged more by himself that the next two players combined. Dat stackedness. There's a reason MJ needed to score so much.

Now I know the naysayers will say, what about rebounds and defense? Yeah, they helped out on that end but scoring buckets wins you games. Don't believe me? What if the Cavs role players could've scored a little more these past Finals? Huh, think about that...

[BlakFrankWhite]

Off the top of my head

Dennis Rodman
Tony Parker
James Harden (okc)
Chris Bosh
James Worthy

[dubeta]

That's because that's all he did, rebound. Not hating on Rodman but he was a black hole on offense, stickbacks was basically all he had on the offensive end. I prefer a more balanced player. There were a few series where MJ could've had more help from his teammates scoringwise. Check some of the stats his "stacked" team put up in those last two Finals series. It was MJ carrying the offense load pretty much, you don't think he would've like more help on that end? Just going off the top of my head, in the 98 Finals, Jordan avged close to 33 ppg, Scottie and Toni 15 ppg each and thats it. Kerr avged 4 ppg :bowdown: MJ avged more by himself that the next two players combined. Dat stackedness. There's a reason MJ needed to score so much.

Now I know the naysayers will say, what about rebounds and defense? Yeah, they helped out on that end but scoring buckets wins you games. Don't believe me? What if the Cavs role players could've scored a little more these past Finals? Huh, think about that...


























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[nzahir]

Off the top of my head

1.Dennis Rodman
2.Tony Parker
3.James Harden (okc)
Depends what year, in 2013 I think TP was their best player even though TD had a great year too. Parker was scariest to me in the finals; biggest offensive threat

[TheMan]

Forget that list, it was already debunked as BS :oldlol:

Just look at the Finals stats to see that stackedness yourselves :confusedshrug:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1998-nba-finals-bulls-vs-jazz.html

[BBallZen83]

https://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/paine-datalab-lebron-cast-2.png
Jordan with the #1 most stacked supporting cast of all time. Not surprised, Jordan stans dropping like flies

Kind of proves the point about with LeBron's finals casts. 3 out of the 4 losses were with some pretty awful teams. Yeah, 2014 heat had wade and bosh, but this just shows how bad they played their Las year together. You can either look at the stats, or use "the eye test", either one shows you that LeBron has had less than stellar casts for half of his appearances.

Also, in fairness, this shows just how bad he shit the bed in 2011 and how well Dirk played.

[nzahir]

Kind of proves the point about with LeBron's finals casts. 3 out of the 4 losses were with some pretty awful teams. Yeah, 2014 heat had wade and bosh, but this just shows how bad they played their Las year together. You can either look at the stats, or use "the eye test", either one shows you that LeBron has had less than stellar casts for half of his appearances.

Also, in fairness, this shows just how bad he shit the bed in 2011 and how well Dirk played.
That is true, but its weird to me b/c the 2011 heat were their worst supporting cast. Injured UD and Miller, young chalmers, and bibby was god awful in the finals. I think the stats have wade as such a high impact b/c that was his last and only real consistent elite year with lebron

[BlakFrankWhite]

Depends what year, in 2013 I think TP was their best player even though TD had a great year too. Parker was scariest to me in the finals; biggest offensive threat

Nah...I think Duncan was the best in 2013.

Game 6 vs. Miami : 30/17
Game 7 vs Miami : 24/14

He had other great stats but these are the ones I remmeber

[warriorfan]

https://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/paine-datalab-lebron-cast-2.png
Jordan with the #1 most stacked supporting cast of all time. Not surprised, Jordan stans dropping like flies

So yeah MJ made his teammates better this isn't anything new

[SexSymbol]

He was their Most Valuable Player in the Finals. If you watch that series Rodman was very consistent. Jordan automatically win the Finals MVP after leading his team in scoring 27 ppg on 40 FG%.

The 1996 NBA Finals was my first NBA Finals series.
that you learned about when you started being interested in basketball a few years ago

[Round Mound]

Worthy

[nzahir]

So yeah MJ made his teammates better this isn't anything new
You clearly didnt understand or read the article...

[pastis]

that list just proved what we all already knew: MJ and DUncan were just gifted with super stacked teams and goat coaches. yea and with that background you win chips. nothing special.

[Rocketswin2013]

Doesn't fit your agenda, but if we say best 3rd player you could definitely add HOFer, multiple all star, 2x DPOY 7x rebounding champ Dennis Rodman.

Can you even imagine if you swapped Klay Thompson or Barnes for a prime Rodman? damn.
Rodman may or may not have been the 3rd best player. But he was definitely not a third option on the Bulls. That was Kukoc, who was statistically as good as Heat Bosh.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

that list just proved what we all already knew: MJ and DUncan were just gifted with super stacked teams and goat coaches. yea and with that background you win chips. nothing special.

Duncan's team in 2003 sure was stacked. That's why Kidd's team was better that year.

:oldlol:

[BlakFrankWhite]

Duncan's team in 2003 sure was stacked. That's why Kidd's team was better that year.

:oldlol:


:lol :applause:

[Derka]

Ray Allen was the #2 option on those Celtics teams behind Paul Pierce, and in many situations the #1.

[riseagainst]

Duncan's team in 2003 sure was stacked. That's why Kidd's team was better that year.

:oldlol:

:biggums:

2003 Spurs: 60-22, won finals
2003 Nets: 49-33


:wtf:

[Done_And_Done]

Who was the third option on the 04 Pistons team? Rasheed? Big Ben?

Noteworthy?

[Spurs5Rings2014]

:biggums:

2003 Spurs: 60-22, won finals
2003 Nets: 49-33


:wtf:

https://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/paine-datalab-lebron-cast-2.png

[TheMarkMadsen]

^^

I wouldn't put too much credence into that list.

Because according to that list Shaq in 01 had a bad supporting cast, even though he was out scored/ out assisted by his teammate for the first 3 rounds of the playoffs..

[Kobe_6/8]

2011 Dallas Mavericks:
1. Dirk
2. Jason Terry
3. 1st-option Dwyane Wade

[TheMan]

^^

I wouldn't put too much credence into that list.

Because according to that list Shaq in 01 had a bad supporting cast, even though he was out scored/ out assisted by his teammate for the first 3 rounds of the playoffs..
Exactly, the dude who created this list used some "imaginative" math to get to a desired outcome. The math is all over the place :facepalm

[sdot_thadon]

Yeah I gotta admit, these guys are outstanding at doing these mathematical gymnastics that always seem to fall in line with reality for the most part. I don't agree with the 2001 lakers being so low, but again with all accepted metrics majority of the list looks as it should.

**full disclosure: fellas Jordan fans will all crap on this list because it does 2 things. It says Mj had the most help and best teams of all of the top 10. It also shows he never went into the finals with a lesser team than his opponent.

[3ball]

lol at charts showing who had the best supporting cast

[3ball]

Every Bulls championship team required MJ to lead the league in scoring and be the greatest scorer the game's ever seen.

This proves he had the least offensive help of anyone in the history of the game - like, literally... There's no way around it.. 2+2=4.. No one else was required to have the highest career scoring average in the regular season, playoffs and Finals - only MJ was.

Btw, Rodman averaged 4 PPG for his Bulls career and DISAPPEARED for 2 of the 3 playoff runs he played with MJ.. He averaged 3 PPG & 8 RPG for the entire 1997 playoffs, and the same in the 1998 Finals.

So for 2 of his 3 playoff runs alongside MJ, Rodman was literally NOTHING for MJ, let alone a legit "3rd option".. 3/8 is WOAT 3rd option.. That's the only way to describe averaging 3/8 for two playoff runs alongside MJ..

Look up Rodman's stats in 1997 playoffs and 1998 Finals - this was totally ignored and he got a pass because who notices when a 4 PPG scorer disappears?... But keep deluding yourself and acting like 3/8 is all-world.

[SouBeachTalents]

Every Bulls championship team required MJ to lead the league in scoring and be the greatest scorer the game's ever seen.

This proves he had the least offensive help of anyone in the history of the game - like, literally... There's no way around it.. 2+2=4.. No one else was required to have the highest career scoring average in the regular season, playoffs and Finals - only MJ was.

Btw, Rodman averaged 4 PPG for his Bulls career and DISAPPEARED for 2 of the 3 playoff runs he played with MJ.. He averaged 3 PPG & 8 RPG for the entire 1997 playoffs, and the same in the 1998 Finals.

So for 2 of his 3 playoff runs alongside MJ, Rodman was literally NOTHING for MJ, let alone a legit "3rd option".. 3/8 is WOAT 3rd option.. That's the only way to describe averaging 3/8 for two playoff runs alongside MJ..

Look up Rodman's stats in 1997 playoffs and 1998 Finals - this was totally ignored and he got a pass because who notices when a 4 PPG scorer disappears?... But keep deluding yourself and acting like 3/8 is all-world.

3ball, what is so hard for you to understand that Pippen & especially Rodman weren't on the floor to score, they contributed in several other ways besides scoring. Jordan had arguably the GOAT perimeter defender and the GOAT rebounder on his team at the same time for 3 championships and you have the gall to complain they didn't score enough? And about disappearing in the playoffs/Finals, go look at Wade and Bosh's play and production in the postseason LeBron's last two years in Miami.

I know arguing with you is pointless since you'll just copy and paste the same bullshit you always do, but you completely ignoring Pippen & Rodman's contributions by focusing on only scoring is a joke

[Lebron23]

Just go away. Get a Gun and shoot your head.

[nzahir]

Just go away. Get a Gun and shoot your head.
WOOOO, 3ball keeps taking L's. Stop ignoring stats buddy

[jayfan]

Wait...jordan has parish in 1997...HOLY **** 3BALL HAS DOWNSYNDROME.
He ethered himself; so parish, rodman, kukoc, kerr, harper, and pippen...most stacked of all time

:facepalm



.

[nzahir]

:facepalm



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Im using 3balls logic; age of the player apparently doesnt matter here

[3ball]

Im using 3balls logic; age of the player apparently doesnt matter here


Maybe Rodman's 35-year old age is what made him literally disappear for 2 of the 3 playoff runs he played with MJ.. He averaged 3 PPG and 8 RPG for the entire 1997 playoffs, and the same in the 1998 Finals.

Let that sink in: for 2 of his 3 playoff runs alongside MJ, Rodman was literally NOTHING for MJ, let alone a legit "3rd option".. 3/8 is WOAT.. Think about that.. 3/8 is WOAT.

Look up Rodman's stats in 1997 playoffs and 1998 Finals - indeed, this horrible performance was totally ignored (he got a pass) because after all, who notices when a 4 PPG scorer disappears?
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[triangleoffense]

You have to go by how many championships they won.. It's clearly Worthy, Parish and Rodman on this list no matter how many all-star selections the other players have and what the bs advanced metrics say.

[3ball]

You have to go by how many championships they won.. It's clearly Worthy, Parish and Rodman on this list no matter how many all-star selections the other players have and what the bs advanced metrics say.
that's dumb when the team's best player always deserves the most credit for a championship, whereas who knows how much the 3rd option on a team contributed - they could contribute very little while the best player carries them - so just going by championships gives the 3rd option undue credit.

[3ball]

3ball, what is so hard for you to understand that Pippen & especially Rodman weren't on the floor to score, they contributed in several other ways besides scoring.


Every team has defensive specialists like Rodman and Pippen.. The Bulls didn't have a monopoly on defensive specialists - your post implies they did.

Also, Jordan was an equal or better defender than Pippen and Rodman.. They were a team defensively where MJ was equal partner.. But on offense, they were more of a 1-man show than any other team in history, as proven by MJ being the all-time PPG leader in RS, PO, and Finals.

But again, every team has defensive specialists like Pippen and Rodman.. However, only the Bulls had the league's leading scorer (MJ), who was ALSO a defensive specialist.

Of course, the Bulls didn't have a real 3rd option offensively, while Lebron had a 10-time All-Star and 20/10 player as Chris Bosh, who was also one of the team's best defenders.. What a luxury it is to have a 10-time all-star and 20/10 guy as your 3rd option.. sick

Meanwhile, for 2 of 3 playoff runs alongside MJ, Rodman provided NOTHING for MJ, by averaging 3 PPG and 8 RPG for the entire 1997 playoffs and 1998 Finals - 3/8 is WOAT.. Think about that - 3/8 is WOAT.. And that's what Rodman did for 2 of 3 playoffs alongside MJ.

Look up Rodman's stats in 1997 playoffs and 1998 Finals - this horrible performance was totally ignored and he got a pass because after all, who notices when a 4 PPG scorer disappears?

[And1AllDay]

Just off the top I'd go

-James Worthy (in 87' playoffs put up 24/6/4 on 59% with 1.6 spg & 1.2 bpg)
-Dennis Rodman (he didn't score, but he didn't shoot much either, he lead the league in rebounding all 3 years during Bulls second 3-peat, while playing good defense) During 96' playoffs Rodman put up 8/14/2 on 49%
-Manu Ginobli (in 05' playoffs put up 21/6/4 on 51% 44% from 3, 1.2 steals)

[TheMan]

Like 3ball said, Rodman avged 3/8 through the 97 playoffs and 98 Finals, how is that GOAT 3rd option? Tristan Thompson put up 10/11 through his last playoffs run...take from that what you will :confusedshrug:

I'm not one to agree with 3ball often but stats don't lie. I think Toni Kukoc was actually the Bulls 3rd option on Chicago's last two title runs, TBH. How many of you want to argue that he's a GOAT 3rd option in NBA postseason history? :lol

[TheBigVeto]

Parish hardly played, lol. You guys now acting as if the Bulls were stacked like the 80s 76ers, Lakers, Celtics and Pistons :oldlol:

Parish hardly played but he did slap some sense to Jordan when he was with the Bulls. That contributed to the Bulls' success. Jordan be shook.

[TheCorporation]

Like 3ball said, Rodman avged 3/8 through the 97 playoffs and 98 Finals, how is that GOAT 3rd option? Tristan Thompson put up 10/11 through his last playoffs run...take from that what you will :confusedshrug:

I'm not one to agree with 3ball often but stats don't lie. I think Toni Kukoc was actually the Bulls 3rd option on Chicago's last two title runs, TBH. How many of you want to argue that he's a GOAT 3rd option in NBA postseason history? :lol

In 96' playoffs:

Rodman = 8-14-2 (49% shooting)

In 2015' playoffs:
Thompson = 10-11-1 (56% shooting)

Rodman's defense is a lot better than Thompson's too
I can also all but guarantee Thompson played more minutes than Rodman

[rmt]

Just off the top I'd go

-James Worthy (in 87' playoffs put up 24/6/4 on 59% with 1.6 spg & 1.2 bpg)
-Dennis Rodman (he didn't score, but he didn't shoot much either, he lead the league in rebounding all 3 years during Bulls second 3-peat, while playing good defense) During 96' playoffs Rodman put up 8/14/2 on 49%
-Manu Ginobli (in 05' playoffs put up 21/6/4 on 51% 44% from 3, 1.2 steals)

Manu was 2nd option in 05 - all-star that year after his Olympic Gold.

[KevinNYC]

Yup, he is still goat(as a lebron fan) but his stans are so annoying and think his team wasnt stacked...he had the most help of all time with magic and bird. Except the chart you quoted in your own post shows that isn't so.

Magic and Bird show up in the middle of the list.



Also how about those 1995 Rockets?

[3ball]

Chris Bosh is certainly ONE of the best 3rd options ever.

It's an extremely rare luxury to have a 10-time All-Star and 20/10 guy as your 3rd option.. That's pretty much the most stacked a team can be.

And throw in the GOAT shooter as your 4th option (Ray Allen)??... Forget about it - MJ's 6/6 should be HISTORY.. And yet it's not.. :oldlol:

[Prime_Shaq]

And he was the Bulls best player in the 1996 NBA Finals.
Wtf

[SouBeachTalents]

Chris Bosh is certainly ONE of the best 3rd options ever.

It's an extremely rare luxury to have a 10-time All-Star and 20/10 guy as your 3rd option.. That's pretty much the most stacked a team can be.

And throw in the GOAT shooter as your 4th option (Ray Allen)??... Forget about it - MJ's 6/6 should be HISTORY.. And yet it's not.. :oldlol:

You prop up his 10 All-Star selections like that's really indicative of Bosh's ability and impact. Here's Bosh's stats from his 10 All-Star seasons

Bosh: 20/10/2 50%

Let's compare that to other players stats from a 10 year stretch

Al Jefferson: 18/10/2 50%
Boozer: 18/10/3 53%
Gasol: 19/9/3 52%
Brand: 20/10/3 50%

Guess what, Bosh has more All-Star selections than all of those guys COMBINED. I'd say the major difference there was Bosh got to play in the East, while the others had to play in the West facing much tougher competition at their positions. Now if you look at their All-NBA selections, which is far more legitimate imo, you'll see a much more accurate depiction of his standing compared to those other players

Honestly take a look at all the players in history that have attained 10 plus All-Star selections. They're all legitimately in the top 50-60 all time. You're going to tell me Bosh seriously belongs in that discussion?

[TheCorporation]

Chris Bosh is certainly ONE of the best 3rd options ever.

It's an extremely rare luxury to have a 10-time All-Star and 20/10 guy as your 3rd option.. That's pretty much the most stacked a team can be.

And throw in the GOAT shooter as your 4th option (Ray Allen)??... Forget about it - MJ's 6/6 should be HISTORY.. And yet it's not.. :oldlol:

Bosh never put up anything close to 20/10 on 50% with LeBron. There is only 1-ball. His closest was in 2011 when they first got together. He then decreased a bit each year.

2011: 19/8 50%
2012:18/8 49%
2013: 17/7 54%
2014: 16/7 52%

So please stop saying he was putting up 20/10, you are inflating his stats. And, don't act like Bosh's FG% wasn't due to LBJ & Wade getting the bulk of the defense's attention. When LBJ left, Bosh's FG% dropped down to 46%.

Furthermore, we also know that Miami's big-3 was extremely top heavy. They are obviously not the "norm" when it came to structuring teams. Miami had Mike Bibby and Joel Anthony starting in 2011...Juwan Howard, Ronny Turiaf, Shane Battier all got minutes. Rashard Lewis (no disrespect) got minutes, and no one wanted him this year.

We all know Miami's big-3 was top heavy with LBJ, Wade & Bosh while the rest of the team had no size or depth, but Bosh's playoff numbers were nothing spectacular


2012: 14/8 49%
2013: 12/7 46%

He was a very good third option, but not among the best. I bet you can find a lot of players comparable to Bosh to be considered "greatest third option of all time"

And if Manu was 2nd option in 2005 then Spurs third option in 2005 is:

Tony Parker: 17-4-3

Is parker better than Bosh? About the same? I don't know, you tell me. But Worthy is for sure the greatest third option of all time (to me).

*Unless you want to consider Kareem the 3rd option that year:

1987:

Kareem: 19-7-2 53%

So are you saying Bosh > Kareem now?

[3ball]

Haha, y'all some sensitive ass zebras just because I stated the fact that Lebron had a 10-time All-Star and 20/10 caliber player as his 3rd option.

You should be more pissed that I said he had the GOAT shooter as his 4th option.

The Heat were an unreal stacked team - the only team in the entire NBA that had 3 all-stars, and they had 3 all-stars each year from 2011-2014..

Plus the GOAT shooter (and legacy saver) for a 4th option.. No wonder they broke MJ's 6/6 record.. Oh wait.. They only got 1/3 of the way there.. :oldlol:

[TheCorporation]

Are you going to address anything I said, or just call me a Zebra? lol

[PsychoBe]

Are you going to address anything I said, or just call me a Zebra? lol

you're wrong so why bother

[TheCorporation]

you're wrong so why bother

Okay...Without using the player's names, who would you rather have:

Player A: 19-7-2 53%
Player B: 17-3-4 45%
Player C: 14-8-2 49%
Player D: 13-8-2 58%
Player E: 8-14-2 on 49%

One sticks out to me, the rest are all fairly similar...

[3ball]

Worthy is for sure the greatest third option of all time (to me).


Worthy is the best 3rd option for me too.

I never said Bosh was the best 3rd option - I said Bosh was ONE of the best 3rd options of all time.. which is true.

It's an extremely rare luxury to have a 10-time All-Star and 20/10 player as your 3rd option.. That's pretty much the most stacked a team can be.

When I say "20/10 player", I say that because Bosh was actually a 24/12 player, before sacrificing his prime years to Lebron-ball.

[TheBigVeto]

We can also consider Kobe in 2009 and 2010.
Lakers' 1st option in those seasons: David Stern & Refs
2nd option: Pau Gasol
3rd option: Kobe

[ClipperRevival]

Worthy and Bosh are two good shouts. And for those of you saying Bosh's numbers dipped with Bron and Wade? Well, duh, he went from 1st option to 3rd option so he wasn't getting the touches. At his peak as "the man", he was giving you 24/11. Same with Worthy. When Kareem retired, his numbers went up.

[ClipperRevival]

Tim Hardaway was arguably still a 3rd option in his sophomore season as well, when he averaged; 23/4/10 on 48/39/80%.

Run TMC of Mullins, Richmond and Hardaway was pretty sick. Tough to say who was the 3rd option.

[bdreason]

Run TMC of Mullins, Richmond and Hardaway was pretty sick. Tough to say who was the 3rd option.


Richmond and Hardaway had almost identical PPG, but Timmy started with the ball. If that squad was looking for a bucket, it was definitely Mullen and then Richmond. With so many transition buckets, Hardaway got plenty of shots as well.

[oarabbus]

lol at charts showing who had the best supporting cast


3ball who posts more charts than anyone shook :roll: