Dwyane Wade to be free agent after not picking up option with Heat

[jzek]

Dwyane Wade, a perennial All-Star and three-time NBA champion, has decided to not pick up his option with the Miami Heat for next year, a source said Monday.

Wade, who was scheduled to make $16.1 million next season, will automatically become a free agent Wednesday.

Wade, 33, is believed to be seeking a deal that would average at least $16 million over the next three seasons. The Heat had preferred Wade opt in for the final season of his contract and then work with the team on a new contract after next season that would give the Heat salary-cap flexibility going into the 2016 free-agency period, when Kevin Durant could become available.

Wade has spent his entire 12-year career with the Heat.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13170097/dwyane-wade-become-free-agent

Welcome to Cleveland!

[r15mohd]

AJ1986...get your traveling bags ready, you're switching teams :D Riley already said he's not breaking the bank on Wade, so if he's stern on the 3/$60mil deal he's after...LA or nYk bound it looks like

i'm curious to what becomes of "lyfe" brand now if he's gone? :confusedshrug:

question then becomes who can Mia get to replace him...Monta can't be had with Deng opting-in, maybe Lou Williams?

Whiteside/Bird
Bosh/McBob
Deng/Justice
Williams/Ennis
Dragic/Shabba

not as threatening as with Wade, but still a descent squad to field for the year until next summer comes and we chase a superstar

[Genaro]

With the Lakers picking Russell, I think they're out of the picture so he lost a little leverage. It's either the Knicks(I don't know if they would sign him), stay with the Heat or go for less money somewhere else.

[r15mohd]

With the Lakers picking Russell, I think they're out of the picture so he lost a little leverage. It's either the Knicks(I don't know if they would sign him), stay with the Heat or go for less money somewhere else.


true....unless Wade and the Heat already have some talks in place for a long-term contract once FA hits, Wade might have shot himself in the foot on opting-out.

[PP34Deuce]

Honestly, With the new TV deal coming up, It wouldn't be bad to pay Wade that 16 million a year over 3 years.

He's essentially your ambassador and HOF player. that 16 million in 2018 will look like a mid level contract that can be moved or remain on payroll.

MIA is in a weird spot in that they want to compete but ultimately they will need to do a mini rebuild. I believe they will regret giving Dragic that contract. I don't think he will be that special.

[Meticode]

I can see where both Riley and Wade are coming from. Riley doesn't want to cripple the franchise during Wade's down years like Kobe is doing with the Lakers and Wade just wants to get paid for all the pay cuts he took while LeBron was there.

[STATUTORY]

i don't know if there will be a big market for his service

[DaSeba5]

Fortunately for Miami, there's not a big market for Wade. It depends on what LA and NY does Will they offer him the money he wants? If not, his only option is to resign with Miami for a solid contact or take less money to play for a contender. Unless there is a surprise team out there.

He's not worth a Kobe contract. That would cripple the team as much I don't want him to leave.

[ralph_i_el]

Honestly, With the new TV deal coming up, It wouldn't be bad to pay Wade that 16 million a year over 3 years.

He's essentially your ambassador and HOF player. that 16 million in 2018 will look like a mid level contract that can be moved or remain on payroll.

MIA is in a weird spot in that they want to compete but ultimately they will need to do a mini rebuild. I believe they will regret giving Dragic that contract. I don't think he will be that special.

Wade wants like $20m per season

[DMAVS41]

Fortunately for Miami, there's not a big market for Wade. It depends on what LA and NY does Will they offer him the money he wants? If not, his only option is to resign with Miami for a solid contact or take less money to play for a contender. Unless there is a surprise team out there.

He's not worth a Kobe contract. That would cripple the team as much I don't want him to leave.

Wonder if the Bucks would offer him a big deal.

Go home...veteran to steady the ship. Not a bad idea imo.

[r15mohd]

Honestly, With the new TV deal coming up, It wouldn't be bad to pay Wade that 16 million a year over 3 years.

He's essentially your ambassador and HOF player. that 16 million in 2018 will look like a mid level contract that can be moved or remain on payroll.

MIA is in a weird spot in that they want to compete but ultimately they will need to do a mini rebuild. I believe they will regret giving Dragic that contract. I don't think he will be that special.


paying him the same 16mil over 3-4yrs prevents them from giving a superstar like KD the max next summer...something Riley wants to be able to do, and provide a roster consisting of Whiteside, Bosh, Dragic, Wade, and now Justise (if he pans out). it would be hard for KD to not even listen to what Riley had to pitch with that squad and a max deal

and Dragic's contract isn't the issue...it's been Miami's desperation in signing Bosh to the $120+ mil contract. even though he was getting a max from the Rockets...Riley shouldnt have offered him $40 mil more, definitely handicapped us big time.

[DaSeba5]

Wonder if the Bucks would offer him a big deal.

Go home...veteran to steady the ship. Not a bad idea imo.

Well he did play at Marquette so that's something they can use to get him.

[TheMarkMadsen]

where's all the uproar about him being disloyal?? If this were bran people would be freaking out..

[r15mohd]

where's all the uproar about him being disloyal?? If this were bran people would be freaking out..


bcuz it's Lebron...simple :confusedshrug:

besides, loyalty between an organization and player is overblown here and overall in all sports. sure it's a great story but rarely pans out like a Magic, Bird, Dream scenario

[PP34Deuce]

paying him the same 16mil over 3-4yrs prevents them from giving a superstar like KD the max next summer...something Riley wants to be able to do, and provide a roster consisting of Whiteside, Bosh, Dragic, Wade, and now Justise (if he pans out). it would be hard for KD to not even listen to what Riley had to pitch with that squad and a max deal

and Dragic's contract isn't the issue...it's been Miami's desperation in signing Bosh to the $120+ mil contract. even though he was getting a max from the Rockets...Riley shouldnt have offered him $40 mil more, definitely handicapped us big time.

I forgot about that Bosh contract. I hope Bosh returns to good form. His game will allow him to be effective due to that 3 ball ability and his sometimes used post game.

I still don't believe in Dragic at 20 mill a year.

[DaSeba5]

where's all the uproar about him being disloyal?? If this were bran people would be freaking out..

My biggest problem with LeBron in FA is that he leaves everyone in the dark. He didn't need to announce his decision on a TV special and not inform the Cavs on what he was doing. He did the same thing last year and held Miami and FA hostage for 2 weeks. That essentially screwed Miami because they were forced to scramble for a roster and they missed out on possible FAs.

So Wade gets a little more credibility there. He's stayed with the Heat.

[aj1987]

AJ1986...get your traveling bags ready, you're switching teams :D Riley already said he's not breaking the bank on Wade, so if he's stern on the 3/$60mil deal he's after...LA or nYk bound it looks like
You might've already jumped to Cleveland, but I'll stick with the Heat.

[r15mohd]

You might've already jumped to Cleveland, but I'll stick with the Heat.


yet you're the one in every Lebron thread defending him :rolleyes: ...keep the lies up AJ. :applause:

you think it's any coincidence you dance around the question when asked, "would you prefer Wade get his hefty contract or the Heat secure future prosperity by letting him go and bettering their chances without him?" still awiating the answer :confusedshrug:

btw...groupon has a deal for movers up, definitely look into it :lol :lol :lol

[gyu]

where's all the uproar about him being disloyal?? If this were bran people would be freaking out..
Quite the opposite situation really. It was his loyalty to the team that put him in this predicament, he sacrificed millions to give the team a chance to keep Bosh and LeBron. Not saying Wade is worth the money given his age and how injury prone he is but where is the Heat organization's loyalty to Wade? It is clear Wade wants the Kobe treatment.

[r15mohd]

Quite the opposite situation really. It was his loyalty to the team that put him in this predicament, he sacrificed millions to give the team a chance to keep Bosh and LeBron. Not saying Wade is worth the money given his age and how injury prone he is but where is the Heat organization's loyalty to Wade? It is clear Wade wants the Kobe treatment.

he's definitely not getting the Kobe treatment from Riley, so if he really feels that is the only option then Riley will gladly show him the door.

and the Heat did this before to Tim Hardaway and Zo, they were looking for re-upped contracts and both had to go elsewhere. However, Riley and the Heat organization did take care of them on the back end by creating positions under the Heat org and likely paying them substantially to do a couple interviews here/there and sit at homes games suited up.

there's no doubt Wade gets this, and likely even more promising seeing all he's done for the Heat.

one thing is certain, if Riley is made up on a direction...he's not going to alter it to appease any one player only if it costs the Heat future success. this is where Wade faces a pretty steep uphill battle

[DaSeba5]

he's definitely not getting the Kobe treatment from Riley, so if he really feels that is the only option then Riley will gladly show him the door.

and the Heat did this before to Tim Hardaway and Zo, they were looking for re-upped contracts and both had to go elsewhere. However, Riley and the Heat organization did take care of them on the back end by creating positions under the Heat org and likely paying them substantially to do a couple interviews here/there and sit at homes games suited up.

there's no doubt Wade gets this, and likely even more promising seeing all he's done for the Heat.

one thing is certain, if Riley is made up on a direction...he's not going to alter it to appease any one player only if it costs the Heat future success. this is where Wade faces a pretty steep uphill battle

I agree fully.

[aj1987]

yet you're the one in every Lebron thread defending him :rolleyes: ...keep the lies up AJ.
Around 90% of the threads since the beginning of June have been about LeBron related. What do you expect me to post about?


you think it's any coincidence you dance around the question when asked, "would you prefer Wade get his hefty contract or the Heat secure future prosperity by letting him go and bettering their chances without him?" still awiating the answer :confusedshrug:
I've said this before and I'll say it again. I don't give a shit about justifying myself to basically scum (LeBron stans) like yourself. No wonder you people are the most hated on this board.

Since you probably won't be able to sleep tonight,

"When did I say he deserves a max? Are you retarded or just can't read? I said $12M-$15M is what he deservers. Nothing more than that. IF he agrees to anything less, that's would be awesome. Looking at his value as a player, I'd pay that amount."

Your comprehension skill is that of a 5 year old kid.

"That amount" being $12M-$15M. Good luck letting the best player on the team go and signing worse players for more money. Also, good luck signing franchise players with the loyalty the Heat are showing now to a top 20 GOAT and the best player in teams history. Should've just offered a 4 years $50M-$60M contract.


btw...groupon has a deal for movers up, definitely look into it :lol :lol :lol
Did they do a good job moving your cardboard box to Cleveland?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Isn't dude only looking at something ~$16 million for three years? Not that bad for a player who's helped you get 3 titles this last decade, and who opted out in order to help the franchise.

[Crimsonrain777]

I can see where both Riley and Wade are coming from. Riley doesn't want to cripple the franchise during Wade's down years like Kobe is doing with the Lakers and Wade just wants to get paid for all the pay cuts he took while LeBron was there.

they can just offer him a great paying front- office job when his playing career is over. it wouldnt be the first time it happened

[aj1987]

Isn't dude only looking at something ~$16 million for three years? Not that bad for a player who's helped you get 3 titles this last decade, and who opted out in order to help the franchise.
He wants $60M for 3 and he's definitely not worth that much. Even though he helped us win our 3 titles.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

He wants $60M for 3 and he's definitely not worth that much. Even though he helped us win our 3 titles.

I meant 16 each year, as in $48M. How much would you guys pay him for?

[Papaya Petee]

This whole situation is disguisting to me.

Dragic is a 16/5/4 point guard whose going to be 30 next year.

Wade at 33 is easily a much better player. Not sure how the numbers would add up exactly, but Throw something like 5 years 70 Million for Dragic and 3 Years 45 million for Wade.

Dragic is not worth more than 13-15 million a year, and if a team wants to outbid the Heat so be it. Its a PG stacked league others will come available.

Guy helped you win 3 titles, literally dragged you to one, and sacrificed his entire career for the better of the team. Give him that 15-16 million a year for 3 years, and let him retire a Heat lifer.

[r15mohd]

Around 90% of the threads since the beginning of June have been about LeBron related. What do you expect me to post about?


I've said this before and I'll say it again. I don't give a shit about justifying myself to basically scum (LeBron stans) like yourself. No wonder you people are the most hated on this board.

Since you probably won't be able to sleep tonight,

"When did I say he deserves a max? Are you retarded or just can't read? I said $12M-$15M is what he deservers. Nothing more than that. IF he agrees to anything less, that's would be awesome. Looking at his value as a player, I'd pay that amount."

Your comprehension skill is that of a 5 year old kid.

"That amount" being $12M-$15M. Good luck letting the best player on the team go and signing worse players for more money. Also, good luck signing franchise players with the loyalty the Heat are showing now to a top 20 GOAT and the best player in teams history. Should've just offered a 4 years $50M-$60M contract.


Did they do a good job moving your cardboard box to Cleveland?


you know everytime someone opposes you or calls you, all you ever do is say they're Lebron stan or Kobe turd, "kid". :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

as for the loyalty b/s with the Heat, see the Timmy/Zo references above...Wade was being taken care of, Riley just doesn't HAVE to do it during their playing career. this is where Wade would thrive. there's no loyalty issues...only Wade-stans think there is one, as you feel he's being cheated where he's getting exactly what he deserves, actually more generous this year than you're imposed 12-15m deserving contract.

as for getting something just as good in return for Wade...that;s not Riley's plan, tho he wouldn't of mind it. he's building a squad to hit another homerun with a superstar next summer. so we will do just fine with someone like Lou Williams as a discounted replacement, who will liekly shoot as well as he's been doing over the years and be available for more than 45-60 games while we don't change the status quo in chasing the superstar.

[r15mohd]

This whole situation is disguisting to me.

Dragic is a 16/5/4 point guard whose going to be 30 next year.

Wade at 33 is easily a much better player. Not sure how the numbers would add up exactly, but Throw something like 5 years 70 Million for Dragic and 3 Years 45 million for Wade.

Dragic is not worth more than 13-15 million a year, and if a team wants to outbid the Heat so be it. Its a PG stacked league others will come available.

Guy helped you win 3 titles, literally dragged you to one, and sacrificed his entire career for the better of the team. Give him that 15-16 million a year for 3 years, and let him retire a Heat lifer.


it disrupts the Heat's future...which is more important at this time. he would have gotten his $16mil this coming season, but had to settle for $28-32mil over the next 3yrs after. i don't think that was really "disgraceful" from the Heat, knowing he'd get the front office job that paid him when he retires too.

if he's fixated on the 3/60mil...he's just being greedy, and that's fine. but the Heat don't care for the greddiness with the plans in place. he'll be shown the door.

[aj1987]

you know everytime someone opposes you or calls you, all you ever do is say they're Lebron stan or Kobe turd, "kid". :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

as for the loyalty b/s with the Heat, see the Timmy/Zo references above...Wade was being taken care of, Riley just doesn't HAVE to do it during their playing career. this is where Wade would thrive. there's no loyalty issues...only Wade-stans think there is one, as you feel he's being cheated where he's getting exactly what he deserves, actually more generous this year than you're imposed 12-15m deserving contract.

as for getting something just as good in return for Wade...that;s not Riley's plan, tho he wouldn't of mind it. he's building a squad to hit another homerun with a superstar next summer. so we will do just fine with someone like Lou Williams as a discounted replacement, who will liekly shoot as well as he's been doing over the years and be available for more than 45-60 games while we don't change the status quo in chasing the superstar.
:wtf:

The Heat offered him under $10M a year. From some of the articles I read, close to $8M a year. That's absolutely ridiculous, considering the bump in the salary cap (yeah, you still literally have no idea how the new salary cap works and what it's for). $8M today with be ~$12M-$15M after the bump. Getting rid of the teams BEST player because you're too cheap to pay luxury taxes (Arison is a well known cheap-skate) is beyond retarded. For the millionth time, I never said Wade should get anything close to what he's demanding.

How do you not understand that simple logic? :wtf:

Also, I call you LeBron turd because you try to put down Wade and his accomplishments at EVERY opportunity you get, while sucking LeBron's dick. You just said (a couple of days ago) that the '06 Heat was "borderline" one of the most stacked while downplaying LeBron's help during his Heat stint.


it disrupts the Heat's future...which is more important at this time. he would have gotten his $16mil this coming season, but had to settle for $28-32mil over the next 3yrs after. i don't think that was really "disgraceful" from the Heat, knowing he'd get the front office job that paid him when he retires too.

if he's fixated on the 3/60mil...he's just being greedy, and that's fine. but the Heat don't care for the greddiness with the plans in place. he'll be shown the door.
Yeah, sure. Lets give $120M and $110M to two players who are worse than Wade and kick out the guy who put helped the team get 3 banners. LeBron stan logic... :facepalm

[r15mohd]

:wtf:

The Heat offered him under $10M a year. From some of the articles I read, close to $8M a year. That's absolutely ridiculous, considering the bump in the salary cap (yeah, you still literally have no idea how the new salary cap works and what it's for). $8M today with be ~$12M-$15M after the bump. Getting rid of the teams BEST player because you're too cheap to pay luxury taxes (Arison is a well known cheap-skate) is beyond retarded. For the millionth time, I never said Wade should get anything close to what he's demanding.

How do you not understand that simple logic? :wtf:

it's ridiculous because it's inaccurate from what you read, or interpreted. exactly what you feel he deserves is what the Heat is willing to pay when looking at it in an overall basis

and this wasn't even confirmed by either party...so who knows if it's true, but it's not unfair one-bit

[QUOTE]A friend of Dwyane Wade has been telling people that Miami

[Wade's Rings]

where's all the uproar about him being disloyal?? If this were bran people would be freaking out..

He has sacrificed a lot for Miami. He even said he would've stayed in Miami with garbage in 2010 had Bosh & James went to Cleveland.

[Optimus Prime]

He left a lot of money on the table for Bran Bran and then to help the post betrayal rebuilding process. It's not like he's asking for an outrageous contract. There's not much of a market for him though, since his body is breaking down.

I really doubt he leaves Miami. Cleveland can't afford him, the Lakers are set at guard (for the time being), and the Knicks are...well...the Knicks :lol :facepalm :roll: :oldlol: :hammerhead:

[r15mohd]

Also, I call you LeBron turd because you try to put down Wade and his accomplishments at EVERY opportunity you get, while sucking LeBron's dick. You just said (a couple of days ago) that the '06 Heat was "borderline" one of the most stacked while downplaying LeBron's help during his Heat stint.


Yeah, sure. Lets give $120M and $110M to two players who are worse than Wade and kick out the guy who put helped the team get 3 banners. LeBron stan logic... :facepalm


you can feel whatever you like...but that doesnt make it untrue, it just hurts your feelings. lol

the 2014 Heat were a scrub squad in the Finals...mainly due to Wade's absence and Bosh's continued absences. there was data that proved that this was one of the worst teams out of the last 60 losing squads. so while you fixxate yourself on emotions about Wade being discredited for not showing up last year, theirs factual evidence to prove its stance.

and i've ridiculed Lebron just as much as he deserves...2011 was a complete let down. in the other finals, he's done basically all he could given his team.

and the 2006 Heat were borderline stacked...2 all-stars, Wade beasting in the Finals and Shaq still dropping 20-10. it's exaclty what was in store had Shaq been in LA and Kobe became the 1st option and Shaq second. those teams would be labeled stacked too, but because it's Wade :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: they were a very good team, again borderline stacked bcuz they had two all-star/superstar level players to merit it.


and paying 2 players heavily...again, i've said the Bosh contract is undeserving but giving KD a max is NOT. the Heat went in desperation at losing Bosh to Houston, so he got one over us. but with the plans in place now, we have all the right pieces to lure KD here and why shouldn't we.

again, I ask you, and you've avoided it about 10 times now...are you OK with paying Wade more to lose the chance at KD and future success, or just happy Wade gets his so the Heat can show "loyalty" (which they still were doing by giving him a descent contract and a front office position forever)

[warriorfan]

did people in this thread really say wade needs to be taken care of? :lol

[Wade's Rings]

did people in this thread really say wade needs to be taken care of? :lol

He should get 15-17 mil for the next 3 years. 20 mil is too much.

[DaSeba5]

The Miami Heat are more important than an individual player, including Wade. Even though I grew up watching him and he's right there with Marino down here, I don't want them to cripple the team's future for him if he wants Kobe type money.

[r15mohd]

He should get 15-17 mil for the next 3 years. 20 mil is too much.


if you're on the side of Wade, yes, agree...but if you rather the Heat be successful for the future, you don't give him that and cut the losses if that's the end.

you save money for a brighter future landing...and considering we landed one of the best picks in the draft too, we have so much leverage to the superstars now and to show these FAs. they will have no choice but to schedule a visit to Miami come next summer, and I put all faith in Riley to seal the deal while in the Heat office amongst all the jewelry and trophies.

[aj1987]

it's ridiculous because it's inaccurate from what you read, or interpreted. exactly what you feel he deserves is what the Heat is willing to pay when looking at it in an overall basis

and this wasn't even confirmed by either party...so who knows if it's true, but it's not unfair one-bit
http://www.sbnation.com/2015/6/3/8718491/miami-heat-dwyane-wade-lowball-contract-offer-rumors-nba-2015

I trust reporters more than "a friend" of Wade's.


as for the salary cap...you only look at it from a Wade-gaining perspective. the rise will allow the Heat to chase a max susperstar like KD, and still get Wade some funds if opting in this year. seeing he didn't the Heat cannot assist him if there plans are to get KD, which it is.
With the new salary cap, the Heat can comfortably sign Wade to ~$15M AND another MAX player.

Also, why do you keep bringing up KD? There's probably 1% chance that he comes to Miami. I would love it if he did, but there possibility of his coming here is next to none. There are several other teams which are a better fit for him than the Heat. Also, if the Heat sign Dragic to $110M, you can forget about signing another superstar.


he can gladly go chase the funds elsewhere as we try to land another superstar to put us back in the finals/finals contention. i have not one problem with that. with Wade getting heavily paid like he wants and hindering the future, we don;t have any assurety we would be able to take out the Cavs
Again, the new TV deal and significant bump in salary cap.... :facepalm


i still don't understand why you're upset tho...the Heat are giving him exactly what you say he;s worth over 3yrs. but you're labeling then disloyal and all this b/s. so much fail from you
Do you even remember what you read like a second ago? The Heat offered him under $10M a year. Probably ~$7M or $8M, which is SIGNIFICANTLY lower that the $12M-$15M I said he's worth. $8M over 4 years is $32M and $12M over 4 is $48M. A $16M difference. Did you not learn math in school? Again with your elementary level reading comprehension. I CLEARLY said that the Heat pulling this shit off (Riley and Arison) would make them look like they're disloyal to future superstar prospects. Wade is not just another Heat player. He is the Heat and is the reason why there are 3 banners at AAA.

[DMV2]

]The Miami Heat are more important than an individual player, including Wade[/B]. Even though I grew up watching him and he's right there with Marino down here, I don't want them to cripple the team's future for him if he wants Kobe type money.
Legends and superstars make this league though, not teams.

Just look at the Celtics, arguably the GOAT franchise along side the Lakers and nobody gives a damn about them ever since the Big 3 broke up.

But I get what you're saying about an aging superstar/legend though,which Wade currently is right now.

[senelcoolidge]

Wade and Lebron should just marry each other I think it's legal now.

[Optimus Prime]

The Miami Heat are more important than an individual player, including Wade. Even though I grew up watching him and he's right there with Marino down here, I don't want them to cripple the team's future for him if he wants Kobe type money.

I haven't heard of him asking for a huge contract, just something along the lines of 16 million per year over 3 years. That is not too much to ask considering he is still a star when he can actually play.

[dude77]

wade is good for what, 50 games ? .. plus he's old and worn down .. he's going to get injured again .. probably be injured during the playoffs at some point, if they get there .. he's not worth all that money anymore

[imnew09]

This man brought the Heat 3 rings, took a paycut for the team to win championship and this is how he is rewarded LOL.


Lakers are the best!

[dude77]

This man brought the Heat 3 rings, took a paycut for the team to win championship and this is how he is rewarded LOL.


Lakers are the best!


he's been rewarded plenty :hammerhead:

[aj1987]

the 2014 Heat were a scrub squad in the Finals...mainly due to Wade's absence and Bosh's continued absences. there was data that proved that this was one of the worst teams out of the last 60 losing squads. so while you fixxate yourself on emotions about Wade being discredited for not showing up last year, theirs factual evidence to prove its stance.
What in the actual ****?! :oldlol:

I've said a bunch of times that Wade choked massively and played like shit in the '14 Finals.


and the 2006 Heat were borderline stacked...2 all-stars, Wade beasting in the Finals and Shaq still dropping 20-10. it's exaclty what was in store had Shaq been in LA and Kobe became the 1st option and Shaq second. those teams would be labeled stacked too, but because it's Wade :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: they were a very good team, again borderline stacked bcuz they had two all-star/superstar level players to merit it.
No it wasn't. Not even close. It was Wade, an out of prime but still a good Shaq, and scrubs. Do you not remember Zo playing for Shaq whenever the Heat needed defense? Shaq wasn't a good defender at all those PO's.


again, I ask you, and you've avoided it about 10 times now...are you OK with paying Wade more to lose the chance at KD and future success, or just happy Wade gets his so the Heat can show "loyalty" (which they still were doing by giving him a descent contract and a front office position forever)

If you can't read SIMPLE ****ing English, you should stop posting on ISH. Christ!

Posting this for the millionth time for a post which is probably a couple of months old:

"When did I say he deserves a max? Are you retarded or just can't read? I said $12M-$15M is what he deservers. Nothing more than that. IF he agrees to anything less, that's would be awesome. Looking at his value as a player, I'd pay that amount."

[r15mohd]

[QUOTE]http://www.sbnation.com/2015/6/3/8718491/miami-heat-dwyane-wade-lowball-contract-offer-rumors-nba-2015

I trust reporters more than "a friend" of Wade's.

the reporters are the one's who are giving articles based on this "friend" :facepalm no reporter has gotten anything from the Heat or Wade's camp other than this friend.



With the new salary cap, the Heat can comfortably sign Wade to ~$15M AND another MAX player.

again, Wade-only mindset...this offering from the Heat to opt-in allows the Heat to comfortably sign Dragic for around $90mil/5yrs this year, give Whiteside a descent contract, resign Wade to about $10mil a year and still land a superstar at the max

get out of the Wade-only box and look at it from the Heat's perspective


Also, why do you keep bringing up KD? There's probably 1% chance that he comes to Miami. I would love it if he did, but there possibility of his coming here is next to none. There are several other teams which are a better fit for him than the Heat. Also, if the Heat sign Dragic to $110M, you can forget about signing another superstar.

because KD is on record at hinting he would not want to play for his home town, Washington, due to all the distractions. then you have Riley presenting a championship caliber squad in Whiteside, Bosh, Justice, Dragic, and what can be Wade, plus KD at max. there are very few teams that can present all this to KD next summer.

and though I want KD here...it can apply to any superstar, but I like the chances with Riley, the trophy and jewelry on the conference table and this roster as a pitch to KD to walk away from.


Again, the new TV deal and significant bump in salary cap.... :facepalm


ok...there are other players that need to be signed, not only Wade...Whiteside, Dragic, and superstar max, and then Wade.


Do you even remember what you read like a second ago? The Heat offered him under $10M a year. Probably ~$7M or $8M, which is SIGNIFICANTLY lower that the $12M-$15M I said he's worth. $8M over 4 years is $32M and $12M over 4 is $48M. A $16M difference. Did you not learn math in school? Again with your elementary level reading comprehension. I CLEARLY said that the Heat pulling this shit off (Riley and Arison) would make them look like they're disloyal to future superstar prospects. Wade is not just another Heat player. He is the Heat and is the reason why there are 3 banners at AAA.

i rmbr exactly what i said, but you keep thinking in terms of them not including this years opt-in, which you insinuate above.

the Heat's angle is to pay him $16m this with the opt-in, offer him $10m a year of the next 2-3 yrs after that. that would put him at $36mil over 3yrs, the same 12mil you're OK with and or $46 (maybe $48mil) over 4yrs, which again you're OK with.

you're completely overlooking/ignoring the opt-in aspect of this to indicate Wade being humiliated with only $10mil/yr offer :confusedshrug: :rolleyes: :facepalm

[DaSeba5]

Legends and superstars make this league though, not teams.

Just look at the Celtics, arguably the GOAT franchise along side the Lakers and nobody gives a damn about them ever since the Big 3 broke up.

But I get what you're saying about an aging superstar/legend though,which Wade currently is right now.

Right but Miami is not desperate for Wade if he wants too much. Miami has Bosh, maybe Dragic, and a budding star in Whiteside. Plus they have plans for 2016.

My point is that I'm loyal to the team. Not only Wade. If resigning him means crippling the team and there are other options available now and/or in the future, as a Heat fan I would move on. Legends and players come and go. But the team still remains.

[DaSeba5]

I haven't heard of him asking for a huge contract, just something along the lines of 16 million per year over 3 years. That is not too much to ask considering he is still a star when he can actually play.

The Heat want to hit a home run again and sign somebody like Durant. I haven't done the math fully, but I don't think they can do that if they pay Wade that or higher.

Otherwise they would resign Wade pretty easily and quickly. This would be a total non story.

[aj1987]

the reporters are the one's who are giving articles based on this "friend" no reporter has gotten anything from the Heat or Wade's camp other than this friend.
You have no idea who Ethan Skolnick is, do you? :facepalm

Some Heat "fan" you are. I bet you follow fat boy on Twitter though.


again, Wade-only mindset...this offering from the Heat to opt-in allows the Heat to comfortably sign Dragic for around $90mil/5yrs this year, give Whiteside a descent contract, resign Wade to about $10mil a year and still land a superstar at the max

get out of the Wade-only box and look at it from the Heat's perspective
I would literally punch you for being this retarded if I saw you IRL. Wade is the Heat's best player. Dragic is NOT worth $110M. Not even close. I'd rather let him walk. You'd give the teams best player a shit contract and someone else like Dragic a max? How ****ing stupid are you?



because KD is on record at hinting he would not want to play for his home town, Washington, due to all the distractions. then you have Riley presenting a championship caliber squad in Whiteside, Bosh, Justice, Dragic, and what can be Wade, plus KD at max. there are very few teams that can present all this to KD next summer.
Whiteside/Dragic/Bosh/Justise (an unproven draft pick) is a championship squad? :facepalm

Again, there's probably 1% chance that KD signs with the Heat.


ok...there are other players that need to be signed, not only Wade...Whiteside, Dragic, and superstar max, and then Wade.
Wade is more important to the Heat than Dragic. Not even close.


i rmbr exactly what i said, but you keep thinking in terms of them not including this years opt-in, which you insinuate above.

the Heat's angle is to pay him $16m this with the opt-in, offer him $10m a year of the next 2-3 yrs after that. that would put him at $36mil over 3yrs, the same 12mil you're OK with and or $46 (maybe $48mil) over 4yrs, which again you're OK with.
The Heat's offer was UNDER $10M a year and reportedly ~$8M. Even with the opt-in, that brings it to $40M over 4 years. Still significantly less than $48M over 4. Would only cost the Heat another $2M per year. Also, Riley wanted Wade to OPT-OUT and sign that role-player contract. So, that $16M wouldn't even be in play.


you're completely overlooking/ignoring the opt-in aspect of this to indicate Wade being humiliated with only $10mil/yr offer
I'm not confused, kid. You have the comprehension and math skills of a toddler.

[r15mohd]

You have no idea who Ethan Skolnick is, do you? :facepalm

Some Heat "fan" you are. I bet you follow fat boy on Twitter though.

did he confirm anything from either the Heat or Wade's camp on it? he's is reiterating the same thing the "friend" said. had he heard anything better, don;t you think he would report it...but he hasn't because there havent been any talks hinted other than the $10mil per year after the opt-in, which Riley confirmed he wanted Wade to opt-in to better leverage the Heat's future come next summer.

as for Ethan's foundation to what the Heat offered, he only "believed" it was under $10mil. go figure you run with this :rolleyes: :facepalm

http://i61.tinypic.com/2q880ub.jpg



I would literally punch you for being this retarded if I saw you IRL. Wade is the Heat's best player. Dragic is NOT worth $110M. Not even close. I'd rather let him walk. You'd give the teams best player a shit contract and someone else like Dragic a max? How ****ing stupid are you?

now you wanna fight me because your emotions are hurt again? :rolleyes:

Dragic is not getting $110 mil, the Heat are looking to pay him $85-90 mil over the 5/yrs. as for the better player, Wade is the better player but he's still not deserving over the $12mil, which is what he was offered by the Heat when you take into consideration the $16mil opt in and the $10mil per year over the next couple of years



Whiteside/Dragic/Bosh/Justise (an unproven draft pick) is a championship squad? :facepalm

Again, there's probably 1% chance that KD signs with the Heat.

actually, it is Whiteside, Bosh, Justise, Dragic and WADE...had he opted in. and again, the Heat have just as good a chance as anyone because they have a very good squad to present alongside a max deal and the pitch of Riley.

what other teams can truly offer a more upside than what the Heat can come next summer? the Lakers...they have the money, but will rely on KD to bring in the additional talent moreso than what the Heat can show in who is already on contract. then there's the East


Wade is more important to the Heat than Dragic. Not even close.

youre one of the very few that think this...if he were that much more important, the Heat would have offered him much more, wouldnt they? his injuries, his age, is a complete liability to them in demanding more.

again, if he were more important...Wade and you wouldnt be the only ones in his corner :confusedshrug:


The Heat's offer was UNDER $10M a year and reportedly ~$8M. Even with the opt-in, that brings it to $40M over 4 years. Still significantly less than $48M over 4. Would only cost the Heat another $2M per year.


you ridicule me for my math skill but again, still dont see how $16 mil plus 2yrs at $10mil equal the $36mil or $12mil??? :rolleyes:

also for your "UNDER $10mil", false...your beloved reporter BELIEVED it was that, nothing factual.


Also, Riley wanted Wade to OPT-OUT and sign that role-player contract. So, that $16M wouldn't even be in play.

you are so delusional...there are many reports indicating Riley wanting Wade to opt-in this year :facepalm

did you not see DanL's article on it, saying the Heat wanted Wade to opt-in as it secured funds for Wade this year and would work with him next year after they land the superstar.

Link: http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25202092/report-heat-want-dwyane-wade-opt-in-so-they-can-go-after-kevin-durant"


how many more lies would you like to tell...also, yet to answer what you prefer. Wade get his or the Heat get theirs. all you keep alluding to is Wade is worth this, and I never said this, and more side-stepping

[LA_Showtime]

Wade's going to China.

[dubeta]

Why all the arguing in this thread? The moneys going to all go to Gabrielle Union at the end of the day...

[Sportal]

I don't really want to see Wade leave, he has been fantastic for the Miami Heat. But I guess if he has to move on, it's just one of those things.

Will never find a Winslow shirt in New Zealand.. It's gold dust to find a Bosh or Wade jersey. Haven't seen a Wade since 2011...

[lilteapot]

He's not leaving but if he does, lol @ all the HeatLifer BS

[FPJ]

The Miami Heat are more important than an individual player, including Wade. Even though I grew up watching him and he's right there with Marino down here, I don't want them to cripple the team's future for him if he wants Kobe type money.

Dude, Wade literally won Miami 3 rings. He had one of the most insane Finals i've ever seen. Without him, there's no Bosh and Lebron and Miami continues to not win.

Ask anyone if they would be content with 3 rings and 5 finals in 12-13 years. Well, Wade is responsible for that, not Riley, not Arrison.

What future? Do you see Bosh and Dragic leading a team to a ring? Bosh's contract was highway robbery. You see Hassan becoming the next Wilt?

The Heat are refusing to pay Wade for a chance to be mediocre for a few years.

[Smoke117]

and the 2006 Heat were borderline stacked...2 all-stars, Wade beasting in the Finals and Shaq still dropping 20-10. it's exaclty what was in store had Shaq been in LA and Kobe became the 1st option and Shaq second. those teams would be labeled stacked too, but because it's Wade :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: they were a very good team, again borderline stacked bcuz they had two all-star/superstar level players to merit it.

https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/dwyane-wade.gif

What an idiot...

[aj1987]

did he confirm anything from either the Heat or Wade's camp on it? he's is reiterating the same thing the "friend" said. had he heard anything better, don;t you think he would report it...but he hasn't because there havent been any talks hinted other than the $10mil per year after the opt-in, which Riley confirmed he wanted Wade to opt-in to better leverage the Heat's future come next summer.

as for Ethan's foundation to what the Heat offered, he only "believed" it was under $10mil. go figure you run with this
http://www.sbnation.com/2015/6/3/8718491/miami-heat-dwyane-wade-lowball-contract-offer-rumors-nba-2015



now you wanna fight me because your emotions are hurt again?
I don't want to fight you. I just want to punch you to knock the stupidity out of you.


Dragic is not getting $110 mil, the Heat are looking to pay him $85-90 mil over the 5/yrs. as for the better player, Wade is the better player but he's still not deserving over the $12mil, which is what he was offered by the Heat when you take into consideration the $16mil opt in and the $10mil per year over the next couple of years
There are teams, who are reportedly, ready to pay him $80M+ for 4 years. Why would he sign with the Heat for $90M for 5 years? Considering the retarded contracts that the Heat are giving out, I wouldn't be surprised if he got ~$100M/5yrs.


actually, it is Whiteside, Bosh, Justise, Dragic and WADE...had he opted in. and again, the Heat have just as good a chance as anyone because they have a very good squad to present alongside a max deal and the pitch of Riley.
:oldlol:

You think it was Riley's "pitch" which brought LeBron and Bosh to the Heat? It was Wade. If Wade wasn't good friends with them, they wouldn't have come to the Heat. If anything, it was Riley's passive aggressiveness and jabs at LeBron which drove him away from the Heat. Also, his incompetence in signing good players and sticking with Spotard. I love Riley and think he's one of the GOAT's (BB IQ), but he's stubborn AF.



what other teams can truly offer a more upside than what the Heat can come next summer? the Lakers...they have the money, but will rely on KD to bring in the additional talent moreso than what the Heat can show in who is already on contract. then there's the East
He could sign with the Pelicans. A younger and better star in AD. The Wolves are looking legit as well. There are several prospects which are better than the Heat. But yeah, I do hope that he signs with the Heat though.


youre one of the very few that think this...if he were that much more important, the Heat would have offered him much more, wouldnt they? his injuries, his age, is a complete liability to them in demanding more.
Kid, you're completely talking out of your ass. Dragic is like 30 years old. Even at his PEAK, he wasn't as good as '14 or '15 Wade. He'll be making ~$20M at 34 if he signs with the Heat. Isn't that what you call a "crippling" contract?


again, if he were more important...Wade and you wouldnt be the only ones in his corner
Next season is either going to be a 1st or 2nd round exit or another season in the lottery and we don't even have our pick for the '16 draft if I'm not mistaken (the Sixers get it). I would rather the Heat sign Wade have have a team of:
Dragic/Rio
Wade/Tyler J
Justise/Deng
Bosh/McBob
Whiteside/Birdman

That team is solid and if healthy can with ~55 and get to the ECF.


you ridicule me for my math skill but again, still dont see how $16 mil plus 2yrs at $10mil equal the $36mil or $12mil???
Under $10M... :facepalm



also for your "UNDER $10mil", false...your beloved reporter BELIEVED it was that, nothing factual.
Do I seriously have to teach you English now? For him to believe that Wade was offered under $10M per, he must've hear it from someone within the organization. You're right that it's not factual since he didn't name any sources, but it's the most CREDIBLE one out there now.

Also, it's hilarious that you still don't know who Ethan is. :oldlol:


how many more lies would you like to tell...
Yep. That's my bad. I did not know that. I can and I do admit when I'm wrong, unlike your retarded ass.


also, yet to answer what you prefer. Wade get his or the Heat get theirs. all you keep alluding to is Wade is worth this, and I never said this, and more side-stepping
"When did I say he deserves a max? Are you retarded or just can't read? I said $12M-$15M is what he deservers. Nothing more than that. IF he agrees to anything less, that's would be awesome. Looking at his value as a player, I'd pay that amount."

I don't even know why I'm answering to a known LeBron dick rider.


https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/dwyane-wade.gif

What an idiot...
Well, what do you expect? That idiot is a post-decision kid. Literally knows nothing outside riding LeBron.


I meant 16 each year, as in $48M. How much would you guys pay him for?
$48M over 3 is a lot. $12M-$15M while being closer to $12M is what I hope the Heat pay for him and that he agrees. $48M over 4 preferably.

[VengefulAngel]

This thread is proving R15mohd is a dumb ****.

[LoneyROY7]

Wade coming to the Clippers. :applause:

[NumberSix]

I'm actually a little spooked by this. Why wouldn't he take the $16m?

[alanLA92]

I'm actually a little spooked by this. Why wouldn't he take the $16m?

Prob because he feels that the legacy he has in Miami is worth more than 16 million. This is why the Kobe $30 million deal was big for the league, as it gives players who have been with the same team their whole career some leveage as they can tell their owners "Look at how the Lakers treated Kobe, why can't you do that for me?".

Obviously not all players are like that but the ones who are now have somewhere to point at to get a better deal. Not to mention Wade is trying to make up for the lost money from 2010-2014.

[jzek]

I'm actually a little spooked by this. Why wouldn't he take the $16m?

Kobe's earning 30M. Is Wade really worth half that to the Heat?

[aj1987]

Wade coming to the Clippers. :applause:
You guys don't have the cap space to sign him, do you? He'd be ridiculous with the Clippers though. Finally a good PG he can play alongside.

I'd rather seen him the Bucks or the Suns though.

[r15mohd]

http://www.sbnation.com/2015/6/3/8718491/miami-heat-dwyane-wade-lowball-contract-offer-rumors-nba-2015

all this keeps saying is Ethan "believes" that's what the Heat offered him...neither the Heat or Wade's camp that was true to be under $10mil. the only person to come forward on it and give any indication has been a friend of Wade that noted Wade opting-in and then taking $10mil a year for a couple years after.

you're running with Ethan's gut feeling, nothing more. :rolleyes:



There are teams, who are reportedly, ready to pay him $80M+ for 4 years. Why would he sign with the Heat for $90M for 5 years? Considering the retarded contracts that the Heat are giving out, I wouldn't be surprised if he got ~$100M/5yrs.

you obviously don't understand how Riley works his negotiations...the premise that the Heat gave up so much to land Dragic puts a bit of leverage on the Heat in securing Dragic at a bit less, especially considering the potential signings that come with that. if he gets $100m, it will be solely because Wade is gone and more cap is available to him. if Wade re-ups, he's around $90mil



:oldlol:

You think it was Riley's "pitch" which brought LeBron and Bosh to the Heat? It was Wade. If Wade wasn't good friends with them, they wouldn't have come to the Heat. If anything, it was Riley's passive aggressiveness and jabs at LeBron which drove him away from the Heat. Also, his incompetence in signing good players and sticking with Spotard. I love Riley and think he's one of the GOAT's (BB IQ), but he's stubborn AF.

more than Riley's pitch, and this is why you don't understand any form of the business aspect to this. Wade, Lebron, and/or Bosh could have discussed anything they ever wanted to. they could of dreamt up the wildest teams to put together but it was not happening without Riley's moves.

Riley is the mastermind behind clearing the books and ensuring he could make the pitch to all three that there was enough money for all and still have a talented squad to assist. Lebron was actually the one to tell Wade and even Melo to take the 3yr deal only after their rookie contracts so they could have this potential, Wade did and Melo didn't and signed a lengthier deal.

as for Lebron leaving, that was Arrison's doing...and Riley put a bit of "icing on the cake" to it with his press conference on the offseason and sticking it through remarks. Arrison ws doing exactly what Gilbert did in cutting the expenses to save himself a few bucks at the cost of the team, in this case Miller. the option of Lebron leaving after his 4th year began with this instance.

then you had the Finals loss and how horribly the Heat played outside of Lebron, and basically looked familiar to the 2007 Cavs. something Lebron refuses to be in and what he left Cleveland for in the first place. the Gilbert meeting with Lebron came before Riley even made the press conference so the idea of heading back to Cleveland was alrady an option, and again Riley signed off on it.

the Spo situation was a non-issue after the 1st season...getting the players in and Arrison not footing the bill was the issue. I don;t blame Riley for speaking his mind, it's what he needed to do, this falls on Arrison more so than Riley.



He could sign with the Pelicans. A younger and better star in AD. The Wolves are looking legit as well. There are several prospects which are better than the Heat. But yeah, I do hope that he signs with the Heat though.

we have too much to offer him that he can't refuse...plus championship pedigree, something Pelicans and Twolves have none of. again, Riley is a msatermind with these words during his pitch, he's gotten it done for decades now and surely knows how to win-over a FA.

everyone's hoping for KD in Miami...i personally feel we have the best chance out of any team given the roster, front office, no-state tax situation and then being able to give him the max contract in sunny SouthFl to wrap it all in.



Kid, you're completely talking out of your ass. Dragic is like 30 years old. Even at his PEAK, he wasn't as good as '14 or '15 Wade. He'll be making ~$20M at 34 if he signs with the Heat. Isn't that what you call a "crippling" contract?

individual talent wise, Wade is better...I've said that. but the Heat are looking to tackle all facets before pitching to Durant, so locking in Dragic is essential especially knowing what was given up for him. he's more IMPORTANT to the Heat than Wade being signed at this moment.

the Heat have had Dragic as their top priority this offseason for some time now, dating back into the regular season...and if Wade is lost, the Heat and Riley are ready to deal with that.



Next season is either going to be a 1st or 2nd round exit or another season in the lottery and we don't even have our pick for the '16 draft if I'm not mistaken (the Sixers get it). I would rather the Heat sign Wade have have a team of:
Dragic/Rio
Wade/Tyler J
Justise/Deng
Bosh/McBob
Whiteside/Birdman

That team is solid and if healthy can with ~55 and get to the ECF.


Under $10M... :facepalm

i'd rather that team too but that's on Wade and accepting the opt-in and the $10mil that's been mentioned for a couple years, not under in what Ethan and you beleive

a healthy Heat team this last season easily makes the playoffs. and certainly a 2nd rounder IMO. if we can field that exact team with the emergence of Whiteside and if Justise becomes a defensive anchor at SF, i can certainly see us taking ECF runs.




Do I seriously have to teach you English now? For him to believe that Wade was offered under $10M per, he must've hear it from someone within the organization. You're right that it's not factual since he didn't name any sources, but it's the most CREDIBLE one out there now.

Also, it's hilarious that you still don't know who Ethan is. :oldlol:

never said I didn't know him, I just don't hold his "believe" amount to be worth much...and see above. again the only person to give any statement on the details has been Wade's friend, who indicated the Heat asking Wade to opt-in then take a couple years at $10mil per.

Riley even came out saying he rather Wade opt-in this year





Yep. That's my bad. I did not know that. I can and I do admit when I'm wrong, unlike your retarded ass.


"When did I say he deserves a max? Are you retarded or just can't read? I said $12M-$15M is what he deservers. Nothing more than that. IF he agrees to anything less, that's would be awesome. Looking at his value as a player, I'd pay that amount."

I don't even know why I'm answering to a known LeBron dick rider.

so if you agree he deserves $12mil, then why is him opting in and taking the $10mil over the couple years an issue? it works out to the same $12 mil per season for the next three years.

you keep saying my math is toddler-like...yet it works out to exactly what you say he deserves.

like I said, Wade not opting in crippled his own leverage to make money and be relevant at the same time. he can go to LA or NY, but they'll have little to no success going forward with him and especially with a hobbled Kobe alongside him. he'll get his money tho, and if he's satisfied with that then so be it

[r15mohd]

Prob because he feels that the legacy he has in Miami is worth more than 16 million. This is why the Kobe $30 million deal was big for the league, as it gives players who have been with the same team their whole career some leveage as they can tell their owners "Look at how the Lakers treated Kobe, why can't you do that for me?".

Obviously not all players are like that but the ones who are now have somewhere to point at to get a better deal. Not to mention Wade is trying to make up for the lost money from 2010-2014.


the Lakers are unique in that they also have a huge TV deal compensate the contract to some degree...the Heat don't.

and Buss is an idiot compared to Riley...everyone sees how much that move hurt the Lakers relevance in the league, and Riley is not going to allow the Heat to be in the same situation.

[aj1987]

all this keeps saying is Ethan "believes" that's what the Heat offered him...neither the Heat or Wade's camp that was true to be under $10mil. the only person to come forward on it and give any indication has been a friend of Wade that noted Wade opting-in and then taking $10mil a year for a couple years after.

you're running with Ethan's gut feeling, nothing more.
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Please stop posting. Your grasp of... basically anything is just embarrassing. There's a reason why multiple posters in this thread are calling you a retard. Just stop posting.


you obviously don't understand how Riley works his negotiations...the premise that the Heat gave up so much to land Dragic puts a bit of leverage on the Heat in securing Dragic at a bit less, especially considering the potential signings that come with that. if he gets $100m, it will be solely because Wade is gone and more cap is available to him. if Wade re-ups, he's around $90mil
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Why the **** would Dragic agree to $90M/5 years when other are offering him $80M+ for 4 years? You're denser than a Neutron star.


.....
You honestly believe that without Wade Miami could've landed LeBron and Bosh? :roll:

Arison is a cheapskate and you'd know if you actually follow the Heat instead of LeBron. Both him and Riley were responsible for him leaving.

As for clearing the "books", you might want to do a bit more research. You're just outing yourself and a complete ****ing moron. O'Neal was taking up $24M of the capspace and he was done with the Heat after that season. As was Richardson. The only "clearing" Riley did was trading Beasley and signing UD and JJ to smaller contracts. Which is not a difficult since UD wanted to stay with the Heat no matter what.

Oh, and the '11 Heat was ****ing garbage outside the big 3. What "talented squad to assist" are you even talking about?


then you had the Finals loss and how horribly the Heat played outside of Lebron, and basically looked familiar to the 2007 Cavs. something Lebron refuses to be in and what he left Cleveland for in the first place. the Gilbert meeting with Lebron came before Riley even made the press conference so the idea of heading back to Cleveland was alrady an option, and again Riley signed off on it.
You can blame Riley for that as well. The Heat as a team were ~31 years old on average. Riley refused to accept the FACT that Miami needed youth and size. Spo refused to admit that going small with geriatrics was a worthless tactic.


the Spo situation was a non-issue after the 1st season...getting the players in and Arrison not footing the bill was the issue. I don;t blame Riley for speaking his mind, it's what he needed to do, this falls on Arrison more so than Riley.
Nope. Spo was and still is a terrible coach. You would know that if you actually watch a game or 2.


we have too much to offer him that he can't refuse...plus championship pedigree, something Pelicans and Twolves have none of. again, Riley is a msatermind with these words during his pitch, he's gotten it done for decades now and surely knows how to win-over a FA.
:roll:

Sure. KD is not coming to the Heat. Book it.


individual talent wise, Wade is better...I've said that. but the Heat are looking to tackle all facets before pitching to Durant, so locking in Dragic is essential especially knowing what was given up for him. he's more IMPORTANT to the Heat than Wade being signed at this moment.
Why the **** would you get rid of the teams best player and risk suck ass for the foreseeable future on a 1% possibility of signing KD? How do you not get that? :facepalm :facepalm



i'd rather that team too but that's on Wade and accepting the opt-in and the $10mil that's been mentioned for a couple years, not under in what Ethan and you beleive
Do you work for Riley? You're acting like you know whatever he does and what all he's offering, better than ACTUAL MIAMI HEAT reporters?



so if you agree he deserves $12mil, then why is him opting in and taking the $10mil over the couple years an issue? it works out to the same $12 mil per season for the next three years.

you keep saying my math is toddler-like...yet it works out to exactly what you say he deserves.

Year 1 - $16M
Year 2 - $8M
Year 3 - $8M
Year 4 - $8M

16+8+8+8=48

Total - $40M

Is that clear enough or do you need me to send to a groupon for 1st grade math classes? English classes as well.

$8M lesser than the $48M/4year deal I'm talking about.

Again, there is a reason why there's several people in this thread calling you dumb ****. All of them who were Heat fans since before the decision. If the Heat let Wade go and continue to suck and not sign a superstar, Riley MUST go.

[Quickening]

Prob because he feels that the legacy he has in Miami is worth more than 16 million. This is why the Kobe $30 million deal was big for the league, as it gives players who have been with the same team their whole career some leveage as they can tell their owners "Look at how the Lakers treated Kobe, why can't you do that for me?".

Obviously not all players are like that but the ones who are now have somewhere to point at to get a better deal. Not to mention Wade is trying to make up for the lost money from 2010-2014.

I thought Kobe deal would have an adverse effect... everyone can see how it has crippled the Lakers and they have become a lottery team.

It is hardly going to encourage owners to pay out big to ageing superstars

[BlakFrankWhite]

Wade coming to the Thunder :applause:

Yes it may be a sh##hole to live in....but he'll get to play with KD and Westbrook.

[alanLA92]

I thought Kobe deal would have an adverse effect... everyone can see how it has crippled the Lakers and they have become a lottery team.

It is hardly going to encourage owners to pay out big to ageing superstars

In terms of owners, no. However it won't stop players for asking more out of them because of loyalty and such.

[r15mohd]

Please stop posting. Your grasp of... basically anything is just embarrassing. There's a reason why multiple posters in this thread are calling you a retard. Just stop posting.

you think I care what posters say of me...and don't talk as if your shit don't stink either. :rolleyes:

Ethan has no foundation other than a hunch, he doesnt even say sources mentioned 8 million..only that he beleives it is that.

then you have Wade's own friend being quoted opting-in and 10mil for 2yrs after. you're just choosing what you want to believe at this point. you omit his own camp mentioning something yet go on a reporters hunch at best :rolleyes:


Why the * would Dragic agree to 90M/5 years when other are offering him 80M+ for 4 years? You're denser than a Neutron star.

same reason many others take a bit less at the chance of winning...case in point, Wade over the past decade. not to mention it's basically unwritten with the deal that Dragic is going to re-up unless something drastically went bad.

the premise in getting him cost us, and he's aware of that and will sign with us for the 90/5yr.


You honestly believe that without Wade Miami could've landed LeBron and Bosh?t

i never said that...i said Lebron pitched the contract ideas at the 3yr for them to even make this possible, and Riley was the mastermind in actually ensuring it came about. much different than your tunnel-minded thoughts.

like i said, the 3 could have made whatever intentions they wanted but without Riley working the books, the Big3 are non-existent.


Arison is a cheapskate and you'd know if you actually follow the Heat instead of LeBron. Both him and Riley were responsible for him leaving.

Riley isn't cheap...his method involves everyone sacrificing and committing to the plan, and it's worked for some time now (pre-dating the big3).

Arrison isn't cheap...he just chose to to save last year thinking it wouldnt have much impact. he has dished out before and is ready to dish out again as we see with Bosh, Dragic, and possibly KD. you say it below yourself, he's spent funds to the stars with the Big3 and even when Shaq was around.

so how does one move label him cheap?


As for clearing the "books", you might want to do a bit more research. You're just outing yourself and a complete **ing moron. O'Neal was taking up 24M of the capspace and he was done with the Heat after that season. As was Richardson. The only "clearing" Riley did was trading Beasley and signing UD and JJ to smaller contracts. Which is not a difficult since UD wanted to stay with the Heat no matter what.

lol...so Riley ensuring he had no major contracts going into 2010 is not clearing the books? you don't see how him fielding a garbage squad behind Wade those few years as a plan to chase the FA's in the summer of 2010. i mean, other than the countless reports made on Miami's intention about it, what more would you like to see...maybe Ethan's hunch saying otherwise? :rolleyes:

take this excerpt from the Heat blog in January 2010 (before the Big3) about the intentions during 2008:

[QUOTE][U]Going nowhere fast, the struggling Heat launched a divine plan in the winter of 2008 to clear off enough cap space to sign two maximum level free agents. In the midst of a 15-win season, Riley stepped down as head coach and launched a large-scale rebuilding process predicated entirely on the summer of 2010, even though it came at the expense of two lost seasons during Dwyane Wade

[r15mohd]

Do you work for Riley? You're acting like you know whatever he does and what all he's offering, better than ACTUAL MIAMI HEAT reporters?

i can't comment to that :D


Year 1 - $16M
Year 2 - $8M
Year 3 - $8M
Year 4 - $8M

16+8+8+8=48

Total - $40M

Is that clear enough or do you need me to send to a groupon for 1st grade math classes? English classes as well.

$8M lesser than the $48M/4year deal I'm talking about.

your figures are based on 1 reporters hunch that this is what it may be...if you go with more concrete detail from Wade's friend openly reporting of the details, it is not a bad deal given Wade's play and health concerns, as well as age:

$16mil
$10mil next year
$10mil year after

that equates to $36 mil in 3 yrs (which Wade refused), and which matches exactly what you have continuously said in that Wade deserves $12-15mil. 36mil divided by 3 is $12mil. :facepalm


Again, there is a reason why there's several people in this thread calling you dumb ****. All of them who were Heat fans since before the decision. If the Heat let Wade go and continue to suck and not sign a superstar, Riley MUST go.

again, I could care less...there are many people around here that agree with my sentiments and many that dont. it doesnt change the outcome of my view on it.

everything you're saying has been refuted with sources...you're just lying over the emotion of being a Wade stan. that's it! from Riley NOT clearing the books, NOT knowing about Riley preferring Wade to opt-in this year, Lebron asking Wade/Melo/Bosh to take 3yr deals instead of long term deals after their rookie contracts, etc. all these you said weren't true and I've provided the sources to show you're just fabricating your stanning for Wade. if any posters here rather side with you and your hyperbole, that's fine by me...good for them. :cheers:

[r15mohd]

Wade coming to the Thunder :applause:

Yes it may be a sh##hole to live in....but he'll get to play with KD and Westbrook.


lol...not happening. besides, he had the chance to suit up with KD come next year when KD signs with Miami, but Wade opted out and likely heading elsewhere :D

[aj1987]

you think I care what posters say of me...and don't talk as if your shit don't stink either.
Hey, it might, but I'm not the one with a sub 50 point IQ.


Ethan has no foundation other than a hunch, he doesnt even say sources mentioned 8 million..only that he beleives it is that.
I'm done explaining that to you. If you couldn't understand it from by numerous earlier posts, you probably never will.


then you have Wade's own friend being quoted opting-in and 10mil for 2yrs after. you're just choosing what you want to believe at this point. you omit his own camp mentioning something yet go on a reporters hunch at best
Who's that friend. Can you name him, please?


same reason many others take a bit less at the chance of winning...case in point, Wade over the past decade. not to mention it's basically unwritten with the deal that Dragic is going to re-up unless something drastically went bad.
I hope he doesn't because that would literally cripple the franchise worse than signing Wade to a supermax. I definitely see Dragic bolting if he gets something like $90M/4yrs unless Miami foolishly tries to match it.


the premise in getting him cost us, and he's aware of that and will sign with us for the 90/5yr.
A guy, who made like $20M in his career is going give up that much money? :oldlol:


i never said that...i said Lebron pitched the contract ideas at the 3yr for them to even make this possible, and Riley was the mastermind in actually ensuring it came about. much different than your tunnel-minded thoughts.
So, you're a Riley stan and a LeBron stan. Get this through your retarded hear. If Wade signed with Chicago in '10, there was literally no chance of Bosh and LeBron coming to Miami. The only thing Riley "did" was "free up" cap space (~35M got cleared because of O'Neal and Quinten). His greatest "pitch" ever wouldn't have worked if it wasn't for Wade.

OTOH, do you EVER give Wade credit for anything? Wait. You obviously don't. LeBron turd.


like i said, the 3 could have made whatever intentions they wanted but without Riley working the books, the Big3 are non-existent.
How exactly did he "work" the books? You keep spewing complete BS, but you just can't seem to backup your statements. Post a link with FACTS. Not opinions of random internet bloggers.


Riley isn't cheap...his method involves everyone sacrificing and committing to the plan, and it's worked for some time now (pre-dating the big3).
Shaq sure sacrificed a lot. Wade is basically the only who gave up over $25M over his career.

Fun fact: Wade was NEVER the highest paid player on the Heat. Ever.


Arrison isn't cheap...he just chose to to save last year thinking it wouldnt have much impact. he has dished out before and is ready to dish out again as we see with Bosh, Dragic, and possibly KD. you say it below yourself, he's spent funds to the stars with the Big3 and even when Shaq was around.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Are you actually being serious? Arison is a known cheapskate and that being one of the reasons why LeBron left the Heat.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/19/report-lebron-james-annoyed-with-micky-arison-not-ready-to-commit-to-heat/

Absolutely retarded moves.


lol...so Riley ensuring he had no major contracts going into 2010 is not clearing the books? you don't see how him fielding a garbage squad behind Wade those few years as a plan to chase the FA's in the summer of 2010. i mean, other than the countless reports made on Miami's intention about it, what more would you like to see...maybe Ethan's hunch saying otherwise?
Something which LITERALLY any half decent GM can do. You do know that GM can trade for expiring contracts, right? Well, you obviously don't. Clearing cap space to acquire a FA is basically the easiest part.


any more lies you'd like to tout on here?
Where the **** did I lie? You're basically too stupid to understand simple English and how basketball works. Almost everything I post, I back up with valid sources and links.


garbage is stretch for team that made the Finals. Miller's injury taking place, and then UD going down mid-season wanst helpful. obviously they would have been much better with Miller in the lineup and UD the whole year, no?
How about Mike Bibby, Joel Anthony, Mario Shitmers, etc.. Every heard of those players? Were you like 3 in '11? Miami in '11 was GARBAGE outside the big 3. Not even close to being a "talented supporting cast".


that can definitely be blamed on Riley and mgmt...they took the chance seeing they got away with it the year before with Wade playing half a series in the 2013 Finals and Bosh being completely absent. again, had either have shown up and played to their reg season form, it wasn't a 4-1 blowout...the Spurs still win just because they were that GREAT, but we could have done better in competing rather than it being 5 Spurs vs Lebron.
Jesus Christ! Are you Riley's illegitimate son? In your world Riley does nothing wrong, huh? The '14 Heat team sucked ass. Riley is to blame for not acquiring pieces. Period.


more lies...Spo isnt an elite coach but he's not terrible. he put together a suffocating defensive scheme for the Heat that proved to be their trademark in 2012 and 2013 season, and even to much of the 2014 season beginnings. in 2011, all this was still in the air and by 2012-2013, they peaked with everything in place. roles defined, a GREAT defensive rotation with the small lineup. it was pretty ingenious, and we saw the rewards of it...27-game win streak, countless fast breaks off of turnovers wit the highlight reels, 2 titles. it was very appeasing.
Lets see. 2 DPOY level defenders in LeBron and Wade and another very good defender in Bosh. Not to mention Battier. The Heat team had some VERY good defenders. I've actually said he's a decent coach a couple of times, but that was because of a game or a couple of games. Sure, his coaching helped a bit, but overall, he still is and wade a garbage ass coach.




hey...you can diminish chances of it, however the Heat are working towards it. that's on record too, in case you want to overlook this as well. it's no worry tho, once Wade leaves, you won't be around much in the Heat threads to even worry over KD coming to FL.
At least I started a bunch of Heat GT last season. You packed your cardboard box and moved to Cleveland along with fat boy. I'll still be in the Heat GT's when you're on your 10th team, bandwagoner.

The rest of your post... :facepalm


your figures are based on 1 reporters hunch that this is what it may be...if you go with more concrete detail from Wade's friend openly reporting of the details, it is not a bad deal given Wade's play and health concerns, as well as age:

$16mil
$10mil next year
$10mil year after

that equates to $36 mil in 3 yrs (which Wade refused), and which matches exactly what you have continuously said in that Wade deserves $12-15mil. 36mil divided by 3 is $12mil.

You can makeup numbers all you want, but it doesn't change FACTS.

http://www.sbnation.com/2015/6/3/8718491/miami-heat-dwyane-wade-lowball-contract-offer-rumors-nba-2015


there are many people around here that agree with my sentiments and many that dont. it doesnt change the outcome of my view on it.
There is one Heat fan here who's "agreeing" with you. Even he's saying that Wade doesn't deserve Kobe money, which is ~$10M/per year more than what I'm suggesting Wade should get.

I'm done running in circles. Half my posts are basically me repeating myself because you're too ****ing stupid to understand simple english. I'm just going to repost my old posts from now on.

[DaSeba5]

Well Wade met with Micky today so that's good.

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2015/06/30/report-dwyane-wade-met-with-micky-arison/

"The Heat could front-load their offer by giving Wade a one-year maximum of for $23.5 million next season, but Arison would be in line to pay a massive luxury tax bill."

[aj1987]

Well Wade met with Micky today so that's good.

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2015/06/30/report-dwyane-wade-met-with-micky-arison/

"The Heat could front-load their offer by giving Wade a one-year maximum of for $23.5 million next season, but Arison would be in line to pay a massive luxury tax bill."
I doubt Arison does that. IIRC, the Heat have to pay like $40M in luxury taxes. I hope he doesn't do what he did last time. If Arison foots the LT bill and pays Wade... :applause: :applause: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[DaSeba5]

I doubt Arison does that. IIRC, the Heat have to pay like $40M in luxury taxes. I hope he doesn't do what he did last time. If Arison foots the LT bill and pays Wade... :applause: :applause: :bowdown: :bowdown:

I would love Micky forever. :applause:

[Mass Debator]

Well Wade met with Micky today so that's good.

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2015/06/30/report-dwyane-wade-met-with-micky-arison/

"The Heat could front-load their offer by giving Wade a one-year maximum of for $23.5 million next season, but Arison would be in line to pay a massive luxury tax bill."
Exactly what I was predicting. Max the first year and around $12 mil the next two.

[r15mohd]

Hey, it might, but I'm not the one with a sub 50 point IQ.
I'm done explaining that to you. If you couldn't understand it from by numerous earlier posts, you probably never will.

Who's that friend. Can you name him, please?

lol...nice one. when I mentioned Ethan having no sources and only a hunch to believe it was under $10mil, that's your reason as "facts." but when it is reported on multiple news sources, as well as Barry Jackson who broke the statement, and Barry has been the most closely related reporter to Riley and the Heat organization since Riley first came down here some time ago, and has covered the Heat since their debut in the league, as well.

but let's just go with Ethan's hunch cuz it fits your agenda tho. :rolleyes: i mean he's been covering the Heat since way back in 2005 and has yet to break any news other than what other folks have already reported...but this one gut feeling he has must be so accurate it cannot be doubt

:roll: live by that gut feeling all you like


I hope he doesn't because that would literally cripple the franchise worse than signing Wade to a supermax. I definitely see Dragic bolting if he gets something like $90M/4yrs unless Miami foolishly tries to match it.

A guy, who made like $20M in his career is going give up that much money?

lmao...negative, nothing would be worse than gifting Wade a supermax at this stage in his career. every one who's reported on the Heat have Dragic as the first line of business for the summer, yet you and Ethan don't. how odd is that to you? :confusedshrug:


So, you're a Riley stan and a LeBron stan. Get this through your retarded hear. If Wade signed with Chicago in '10, there was literally no chance of Bosh and LeBron coming to Miami. The only thing Riley "did" was "free up" cap space (~35M got cleared because of O'Neal and Quinten). His greatest "pitch" ever wouldn't have worked if it wasn't for Wade.

OTOH, do you EVER give Wade credit for anything? Wait. You obviously don't. LeBron turd.

keep things in reality here...not the if or maybes, that's nothing but grasping for straws. what took place is Riley cleared the books to get all three under contract, and as reported in my previous link, in 2008, that was exactly the Heat's intention for the summer of 2010.

sure Wade was Lebron's friend...but without Riley doing the back end work those years, the Miami's Big3 is nothing but a pipe dream.


How exactly did he "work" the books? You keep spewing complete BS, but you just can't seem to backup your statements. Post a link with FACTS. Not opinions of random internet bloggers.


Shaq sure sacrificed a lot. Wade is basically the only who gave up over $25M over his career.

Fun fact: Wade was NEVER the highest paid player on the Heat. Ever.

i did post a link which you failed to reference or likely click on...it shows the Heat's game plan in the winter of 2008 where Riley would field Wade with hot garbage in plans for summer 2010 and landing big names.

here it is for you again!

[COLOR="Red"]Going nowhere fast, [U]the struggling Heat launched a divine plan in the winter of 2008 to clear off enough cap space to sign two maximum level free agents. In the midst of a 15-win season, Riley stepped down as head coach and launched a large-scale rebuilding process predicated entirely on the summer of 2010, even though it came at the expense of two lost seasons during Dwyane Wade

[r15mohd]

How about Mike Bibby, Joel Anthony, Mario Shitmers, etc.. Every heard of those players? Were you like 3 in '11? Miami in '11 was GARBAGE outside the big 3. Not even close to being a "talented supporting cast".

so again you go to the back of the bench players...of course they suck, every team has them. even the GSW warriors with the most stacked squad this year has bench warmers who are nothing worth noting.

and ironic again how you side step the active bench players in Miller and Haslem, and the only real reason those other guys got time was in part to these two's absence for a very large sum of the season.



Jesus Christ! Are you Riley's illegitimate son? In your world Riley does nothing wrong, huh? The '14 Heat team sucked ass. Riley is to blame for not acquiring pieces. Period.

you should re-read my comment on this...i said they sucked because Wade/Bosh didn;t show up. yes they were old, outside of the Big3, but that doesn;t deny the fact that if Bosh/Wade played even remotely better that the Heat fared better than a 4-1 humiliation. that's pretty obvious by even a novice.



Lets see. 2 DPOY level defenders in LeBron and Wade and another very good defender in Bosh. Not to mention Battier. The Heat team had some VERY good defenders. I've actually said he's a decent coach a couple of times, but that was because of a game or a couple of games. Sure, his coaching helped a bit, but overall, he still is and wade a garbage ass coach.

a game or a couple games only lol. the whole defensive scheme is thanks to Spo, and utilizing the players strengths. when they played just off talent alone, we saw how easily they were beaten in 2010-11...with direction and a controller in place of it, Spo, we saw just how deadly they can be.

again, he's not horrible like you'd make him out to be.




At least I started a bunch of Heat GT last season. You packed your cardboard box and moved to Cleveland along with fat boy. I'll still be in the Heat GT's when you're on your 10th team, bandwagoner.

The rest of your post... :facepalm

wow, do you want cookie? you start game threads...womp womp! what kind of response is this lol




You can makeup numbers all you want, but it doesn't change FACTS.

http://www.sbnation.com/2015/6/3/8718491/miami-heat-dwyane-wade-lowball-contract-offer-rumors-nba-2015

again, all you've posted in this thread is this one link to a RUMOR...it says it right there in the URL that it's a rumor...Ethan Skolnick even goes further to indicate it's just his belief with no sources. then want to say it's "facts"...hardly. look above to see how you reference something, that is how you back up claims.



Wade doesn't deserve Kobe money, which is ~$10M/per year more than what I'm suggesting Wade should get.

I'm done running in circles. Half my posts are basically me repeating myself because you're too ****ing stupid to understand simple english. I'm just There is one Heat fan here who's "agreeing" with you. Even he's saying that going to repost my old posts from now on.

again, you're just tip-toeing around the $36mil/3yr deal...which you yourself said he's worth.

and the people you "beleive" are agreeing with you are doing so based on lies....again check above to see how much b/s you've tried posting about the Heat so far only to be refuted with actual references and data to each lie you make .

[aj1987]

so again you go to the back of the bench players...of course they suck, every team has them. even the GSW warriors with the most stacked squad this year has bench warmers who are nothing worth noting.

and ironic again how you side step the active bench players in Miller and Haslem, and the only real reason those other guys got time was in part to these two's absence for a very large sum of the season.
UD has been with the Heat since forever and he took ~$15M pay cut to stay with Wade and the Heat. Miller couldn't defend for shit and missed like 30 games in '09 as well. Miller at 31 and UD in '11 weren't a "talented cast". They sucked ass. I'm not even going to bring up the terrible bench.





you should re-read my comment on this...i said they sucked because Wade/Bosh didn;t show up. yes they were old, outside of the Big3, but that doesn;t deny the fact that if Bosh/Wade played even remotely better that the Heat fared better than a 4-1 humiliation. that's pretty obvious by even a novice.
If Bosh and Wade showed up, they probably lose 4-2. Wow! A whole win! Idiot.


a game or a couple games only lol. the whole defensive scheme is thanks to Spo, and utilizing the players strengths. when they played just off talent alone, we saw how easily they were beaten in 2010-11...with direction and a controller in place of it, Spo, we saw just how deadly they can be.
Wade and LeBron were ELITE defenders before Spotard even sinffed a HC job in the league.


again, he's not horrible like you'd make him out to be.
Yes, he is. He's on Scott Brook's level.

1. Retarded rotations.
2. Stubborn when it comes to giving players (who might actually work) minutes, ex. Beasley.
3. Too stupid to realize that small ball doesn't work with geriatrics.
etc. etc.. Too many to list.


wow, do you want cookie? you start game threads...womp womp! what kind of response is this lol
Something which bandwagon ******s like you don't understand, obviously.


again, you're just tip-toeing around the $36mil/3yr deal...which you yourself said he's worth.


and the people you "beleive" are agreeing with you are doing so based on lies....again check above to see how much b/s you've tried posting about the Heat so far only to be refuted with actual references and data to each lie you make .
You literally posted a link to a ****ing opinion blog. O'Neal and Richardson making $35M in '10 is a FACT. Salary dump is what Riley did and that can be achieved by ANY GM with half a brain. That's a FACT as well.

The "facts" you posted are from an unnamed "friend" of Wade's and that of Riley's salary dump. Sorry, but I'm more inclined to believe a TEAM reported than an unnamed "friend".


i did post a link which you failed to reference or likely click on...it shows the Heat's game plan in the winter of 2008 where Riley would field Wade with hot garbage in plans for summer 2010 and landing big names.
Again, you retard. The only thing Riley did was something a retard like yourself could do. Wade is the reason why the big 3 came to be. If not for Wade, they was literally 0% chance of them coming together.


and since 2002 up until 2013, the Miami Heat have paid the 8th most in luxury taxes, which completely goes against your notion that Arison is a "cheap" owner.

again, you choose one quote and run with it to fit your agenda.

btw, you see these reference sites above, that is how you back up your claims. not posting the same link to Ethan's "belief" which even has RUMOR in the url link. complete and epic fail by yourself! smh

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

A couple of the reasons why LeBron left the Heat:

"The Heat paid the luxury tax the previous two years, and they’ll pay it again this season. But in the last year, they’ve really dialed back their spending.

1. They amnestied Mike Miller.
2. Instead of using a draft pick to upgrade their roster, they used it as a sweetener to unload Joel Anthony’s contract.
3. They didn’t use the mid-level exception, their primary tool for adding another rotation-caliber player."

That is being cheap. He decided not to pay the LT and lost LeBron. How hard is that to understand?



if it is so easily done, and a half decent GM can easily pull it off...why is Riley and Kupcheck basically in a league of their own.

this is just denying the facts lol...you're just delusional if you think it is. if it were really that easy, don't you think more teams would be able to do it? they haven't, they can't and they won't because they don't have the no-how like these two execs.

please tell me any other exec who can pull this off, Phil? Presti? Ainge? lmao, such a loser...nothing but hyperbole from your delusional self.
Salary dump... :facepalm :facepalm

As for clearing the "books", you might want to do a bit more research. You're just outing yourself and a complete ****ing moron. O'Neal was taking up $24M of the capspace and he was done with the Heat after that season. As was Richardson. The only "clearing" Riley did was trading Beasley and signing UD and JJ to smaller contracts. Which is not a difficult since UD wanted to stay with the Heat no matter what.

Something which LITERALLY any half decent GM can do. You do know that GM can trade for expiring contracts, right? Well, you obviously don't. Clearing cap space to acquire a FA is basically the easiest part.

If Phil had a chance of acquiring LeBron, he'd trade Melo for a bunch of expiring scrubs. Oh, and if you didn't know the Knicks have a shit ton of cap space. Presti has Ibaka, KD, and WB. The Celtics have enough space to sign a MAX player right now. Which they could, if they had someone like Wade to bring in his best friends.

They all are LITERALLY doing what Riley did.

1. Tank for draft picks.
2. Clear up cap space.
3. Attempt to sign 1-2 max players.

Riley was able to do it because of Wade being on the Heat. As I said earlier, Riley has one of the GOAT basketball minds, but even if he shredded the salaries to 0, LeBron and Bosh weren't coming to Miami without Wade.

God, go back to kindergarten.

[FKAri]

aj1987 and r15mohd really need to sit down and think about just how much time they have wasted in this thread and how that time could have been used more productively.

[dubeta]

Hopefully he doesn't sign with the Cavs, he's already done LeBron enough damage in one career. :rolleyes:

[G-train]

Wade will sign a one year contract for more than his option amount, or front weighted contract over 3 seasons, and this will be settled.

If he wants to go get his ass beat in Milwaukee for an unreasonable sum, so be it.

[r15mohd]

aj1987 and r15mohd really need to sit down and think about just how much time they have wasted in this thread and how that time could have been used more productively.

I was "working" lol...besides, it was my due diligence to prevent ISH from falling for his continuous lies about the Heat organization and his promoting of Wade being worth more than what the Heat had in store for him already

[FPJ]

Wade will sign a one year contract for more than his option amount, or front weighted contract over 3 seasons, and this will be settled.

If he wants to go get his ass beat in Milwaukee for an unreasonable sum, so be it.

The Bucks have a good team and they'll probably add Tyson.

[aj1987]

I was "working" lol...besides, it was my due diligence to prevent ISH from falling for his continuous lies about the Heat organization and his promoting of Wade being worth more than what the Heat had in store for him already
You've proven to everyone that you're an utter moron and now you're resorting to calling others liars? :applause:

No wonder a bunch of people called you an idiot in this thread.

[fiddy]

Hopefully he doesn't sign with the Cavs, he's already done LeBron enough damage in one career. :rolleyes:
:oldlol: :oldlol:

[r15mohd]

You've proven to everyone that you're an utter moron and now you're resorting to calling others liars? :applause:

No wonder a bunch of people called you an idiot in this thread.

It's ok AJ, this is usual for a liar with you being in complete denial of it.

I mean you did say at one point that Wade was never asked to opt-in and went on with those rants and the typical stan name calling over it you do, but when it was shown he was asked to opt in by Rikey, the back pedaling came from you. thats just one of the many...But like I said, it's ok.

As for a "bunch of people", you and this other alt of yours don't really bother me with the name calling :lol

Cheers :cheers:

[aj1987]

It's ok AJ, this is usual for a liar with you being in complete denial of it.

I mean you did say at one point that Wade was never asked to opt-in and went on with those rants and the typical stan name calling over it you do, but when it was shown he was asked to opt in by Rikey, the back pedaling came from you. thats just one of the many...But like I said, it's ok.

As for a "bunch of people", you and this other alt of yours don't really bother me with the name calling :lol

Cheers :cheers:
I did admit I was mistaken and that I obviously did not know that he was asked to opt-in. You, OTOH, are a complete moron with 2nd grade level comprehension and math skills. Must be hard living life like that. Go back to sucking Riley's and LeBron's dick though. :cheers:

BTW, this is my only account on this board and unlike you I don't have to use alts to put out my opinions. I can do it without hiding behind alts.

[r15mohd]

I did admit I was mistaken and that I obviously did not know that he was asked to opt-in. You, OTOH, are a complete moron with 2nd grade level comprehension and math skills. Must be hard living life like that. Go back to sucking Riley's and LeBron's dick though. :cheers:

BTW, this is my only account on this board and unlike you I don't have to use alts to put out my opinions. I can do it without hiding behind alts.


womp womp...:lol :lol :lol

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[DMAVS41]

Big news for Heat/Wade...

Dragic has agreed to 5 year deal worth 90 million (player option for 5th year)

This has the potential now to free up enough (depending on how they structure these deals) to front load Wade a ton of money this season and still give the Heat room to go after Durant next season.

Wade has to be a lock to stay now unless there is serious bad blood or I'm missing something on the money.

[r15mohd]

Big news for Heat/Wade...

Dragic has agreed to 5 year deal worth 90 million (player option for 5th year)

This has the potential now to free up enough (depending on how they structure these deals) to front load Wade a ton of money this season and still give the Heat room to go after Durant next season.

Wade has to be a lock to stay now unless there is serious bad blood or I'm missing something on the money.

they still have Whiteside to take care of next summer...so that plays into Wade's money factor too, and if Whiteside continues his play as he did, he'll be looking at more money than even Wade is trying to secure.

as for Dragic signing, this was a basically done deal mid-season...it was unwritten with the trade that he would be re-signing, unless something seriously went bad...which it didn't, thankfully.

as for the one poster here thinking Dragic would leave and chase the surmounting money available on the market...well, you've been mistaken...once again :D

[DMAVS41]

they still have Whiteside to take care of next summer...so that plays into Wade's money factor too, and if Whiteside continues his play as he did, he'll be looking at more money than even Wade is trying to secure.

as for Dragic signing, this was a basically done deal mid-season...it was unwritten with the trade that he would be re-signing, unless something seriously went bad...which it didn't, thankfully.

as for the one poster here thinking Dragic would leave and chase the surmounting money available on the market...well, you've been mistaken...once again :D

i'm factoring in whiteside. the money can now possibly work. it's still going to be a struggle, but Dragic taking less than the max and the cap likely increasing this year by 2 million more than expected really help this situation.

i bet they work it out now.

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Is Whiteside really that great? Sure he put up great stats in limited minutes but I'm curious on his on off, +- advanced stats and various line-ups and so forth. Can he play a fast tempo game?

[r15mohd]

Is Whiteside really that great? Sure he put up great stats in limited minutes but I'm curious on his on off, +- advanced stats and various line-ups and so forth. Can he play a fast tempo game?


well that will be the test come next season as he's going to be in the starting role alongside Bosh, Deng, Dragon, and whatever SG commits (Wade or whoever)

he's done well with the lackluster squad we've had the 2nd half of the season, and if he continues his ways from last year, he will certainly thrive and get paid for it. Riley sees him as a building block for the Heat, and with guys like Mourning and Juwan around to assist his game, I'm hoping he becomes a 15-20pt, 12-15reb player on a nightly basis. he has the skillset to do it...his down fall is the foul trouble and anger control, as that errpts quickly

[aj1987]

Is Whiteside really that great? Sure he put up great stats in limited minutes but I'm curious on his on off, +- advanced stats and various line-ups and so forth. Can he play a fast tempo game?
He started off great, but his defense fell apart when he started concentrating on his offense. He was still a decent defender, but nowhere near the beast he was in the beginning.

[WadeStan]

He started off great, but his defense fell apart when he started concentrating on his offense. He was still a decent defender, but nowhere near the beast he was in the beginning.

Don't know about that. A lot of his drop off coincided with injury.

[aj1987]

Don't know about that. A lot of his drop off coincided with injury.
True, but he did look a bit disinterested on the defensive end as the season progressed. It just might be that he was becoming a big deal and wanted to put up big numbers. This is where Riley comes in though. He can probably "set him straight"? I hope I'm wrong though.


So, we got Dragic for $90M. Only need to get an elite or a very good SG for next season and we're set.

[rmt]

I wouldn't pay Wade $16m/year. Geez, I complain about Parker getting $15 in his last year and he is MUCH more durable than Wade. Riley shot the Heat in the foot giving Bosh that HUGE contract - panicking because Lebron left. Heat can get away with one mistake, but not 2. I'd say bye-bye Wade - have fun getting $16m on the open market - can't be that many teams with cap space to outright sign him.

[aj1987]

I wouldn't pay Wade $16m/year. Geez, I complain about Parker getting $15 in his last year and he is MUCH more durable than Wade. Riley shot the Heat in the foot giving Bosh that HUGE contract - panicking because Lebron left. Heat can get away with one mistake, but not 2. I'd say bye-bye Wade - have fun getting $16m on the open market - can't be that many teams with cap space to outright sign him.
Wade played like 10-15 fewer games than TP over the last 3 seasons (when his knees really started to act up). That's 3-5 games a season.

[r15mohd]

I wouldn't pay Wade $16m/year. Geez, I complain about Parker getting $15 in his last year and he is MUCH more durable than Wade. Riley shot the Heat in the foot giving Bosh that HUGE contract - panicking because Lebron left. Heat can get away with one mistake, but not 2. I'd say bye-bye Wade - have fun getting $16m on the open market - can't be that many teams with cap space to outright sign him.


both TP and Wade are in the same boat...good-great for portion of the season, only to break down. so yes, overpaying Wade, like the Spurs did TP, is a blunder and exactly right in Riley making a 2nd mistake by giving Wade that much. he won;t do it...unless it he heavily front-loaded and can ensure Whiteside and still have plenty funds for KD next summer

we can get by with a replacement SG for next season as it is about 2016 and beyond for the Heat right now, then have Riley work his magic to secure that future with next summer's signings