Number of All-Star teammates MJ/Kobe/LeBron had in their Finals appearances

[Angel Face]

Michael Jordan

1991: N/A
1992 - 1993; 1996 - 1998: Scottie Pippen (5)

Kobe Bryant

2000 - 2002; 2004: Shaquille O'Neal (4)
2008: N/A
2009 - 2010: Pau Gasol (2)

LeBron James

2007: N/A
2011 - 2014: Dwayne Wade (4), Chris Bosh (4)
2015: Kyrie Irving (1)

Total:

Michael Jordan: 5
Kobe Bryant: 6
LeBron James: 9

Finals Record:

Michael Jordan: 6/6
Kobe Bryant: 5/7
LeBron James: 2/6



Interesting the the one with most All-Star teammate has the worst record and the one with the least has the best record.

[sdot_thadon]

Michael Jordan
1991 - 1993; 1996 - 1998: Phil Jackson

Kobe Bryant

2000 - 2002; 2004: Phil Jackson
2008: Phil Jackson
2009 - 2010: Phil Jackson

LeBron James

2007: N/A
2011 - 2014: N/A
2015: N/A

Total:

Michael Jordan: 6
Kobe Bryant: 7
LeBron James: 0

Finals Record:

Michael Jordan: 6/6
Kobe Bryant: 5/7
LeBron James: 2/6



Interesting the one with the least hall of fame coaches
has the worst record and the ones with the most have the better record.
I agree.

[sportjames23]

Michael Jordan

1991: N/A
1992 - 1993; 1996 - 1998: Scottie Pippen (5)

Kobe Bryant

2000 - 2002; 2004: Shaquille O'Neal (4)
2008: N/A
2009 - 2010: Pau Gasol (2)

LeBron James

2007: N/A
2011 - 2014: Dwayne Wade (4), Chris Bosh (4)
2015: Kyrie Irving (1)

Total:

Michael Jordan: 5
Kobe Bryant: 6
LeBron James: 9

Finals Record:

Michael Jordan: 6/6
Kobe Bryant: 5/7
LeBron James: 2/6



Interesting the the one with most All-Star teammate has the worst record and the one with the least has the best record.


:cheers:

[aj1987]

Can we also take All-Def team and MVP's into account? How about COY's?

EDIT: Forgot about 6th MOY.

[sdot_thadon]

Can we also take All-Def team and MVP's into account? How about COY's?
:applause:

[Iceman#44]

Can we also take All-Def team and MVP's into account? How about COY's?

EDIT: Forgot about 6th MOY.
2/6 meltdown

[BigTicket]

Number of All-NBA 1st team teammates:

Lebron: 0
Jordan: 1
Kobe:4

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Number of All-NBA 1st team teammates:

Lebron: 0
Jordan: 1
Kobe:4

Anyone willing to guess this along with all-star teammates for Duncan?

:confusedshrug:

[aj1987]

2/6 meltdown
3/5, **** face.

[riseagainst]

I agree.


You know you melting down when you add a block of text in a quote.

:roll:

[3ball]

I agree.
meltdown

lebron could never play in the triangle

[dubeta]

Number of times they had a 15+ Ppg teammate in the finals

MJ- 6

Kobe - 7





LeBron - 3





/thread

[ISHGoat]

Number of times they had been carried to the title by a dominant teammate

MJ - 0
Lebron - 0











Kobe - all of them

[3ball]

The list actually saves Lebron, because it says "in their Finals appearances".

Lebron is the only guy that missed the Finals while having all-star on his team PERIOD, so the list excludes some of Lebron's all-star teammates, including Mo Williams.

And let's not forget Zydrunas Illgauskas, who was named an all-star in 2003 and 2005.. So Lebron missed the playoffs in 2005 despite having an All-Star on his team and when he won his first playoff game in 2006, he did so with the help of a 2-time All-Star.

Otoh, MJ never played with an all-star, or anything near that during his early playoff career... But once he got just 1 all-star, he went 6/6.. Whereas, Lebron missed the playoffs despite having an all-star (Zydrunas in 2005), missed the Finals despite having an all-star in Cleveland and two #1 seeded teams, and only went 2/4 with two all-stars in Miami.
.

[dubeta]

The list actually saves Lebron, because it says "in their Finals appearances".

Lebron is the only guy that missed the Finals while having all-star on his team PERIOD, so the list excludes some of Lebron's all-star teammates, including Mo Williams.

And let's not forget Zydrunas Illgauskas, who was named an all-star in 2003 and 2005.. So Lebron missed the playoffs in 2005 despite having an All-Star on his team and when he won his first playoff game in 2006, he did so with the help of a 2-time All-Star.

Otoh, MJ never played with an all-star, or anything NEAR that during his early playoff career... But once he got just 1 all-star, he went 6/6.. Whereas, Lebron missed the playoffs despite having an all-star (Zydrunas in 2005), missed the Finals despite having an all-star in Cleveland and two #1 seeded teams, and only went 2/4 with two all-stars in Miami.



Jordan missed the Finals with an all star teammate 2 times (1990,1995)



Wheras LeBron only missed it once (2009)


Seems like Jordan is the bigger underachiever :no:





Let's see if you can respond to this without another previous copy paste statement

[riseagainst]

Number of times they had been carried to the title by a dominant teammate

MJ - 0
Lebron - 0











Kobe - all of them


why is Pau Gasol considered dominant while Scottie Pippen, the GOAT perimeter defender, best SF in the 90s, and Wade, 3rd greatest SG are not?

:confusedshrug:

that's a rhetorical question. Answer: to fit your agenda.

[3ball]

Number of times they had a 15+ Ppg teammate in the finals

MJ- 6

Kobe - 7





LeBron - 3





/thread
Lebron had 15 ppg teammates 6 times in Finals:

2011 Finals: Wade (26.5), Bosh (18.5)
2012 Finals: Wade (22.6), Bosh (14.6)
2013 Finals: Wade (19.6)
2014 Finals: Wade (15.2)


Bosh averaged 14 ppg in 2014 and Mosgov 14/8 with 2 blk in 2015 (he would've averaged more if Lebron didn't have him benched in Game 5, after he'd scored 28/10 in previous Game 4 (the Lebron choke game)).

[3ball]

why is Pau Gasol considered dominant while Scottie Pippen, and Wade, 3rd greatest SG are not?

:confusedshrug:

that's a rhetorical question. Answer: to fit your agenda.


Pippen was never a dominant offensive player, like Pau and Wade were on many occasion - it's a totally different dimension of player when the guy can dominate offensively.

Also, MJ was the better defender - MJ always defended the other team's best player ANYTIME THEY WERE A GUARD, including Magic, Gary Payton, Reggie Miller, John Stockton, Clyde Drexler, KJ, Tim Hardaway, Rod Strickland, etc., etc.

Otoh, Pippen guarded Mark Jackson, the slowest PG of all-time one time and you give him props as the goat defender because of that.. In 1991 Finals, MJ was the primary defender on Magic - he guarded Magic for 14 of 20 quarters (70%) to Pippen's 6 quarters (30%).. And it was well-known, even by the mainstream media that MJ was the team's best defender:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOgJhzj4W9M&t=35m00s
.

[dubeta]

Jordan missed the Finals with an all star teammate 2 times (1990,1995)



Wheras LeBron only missed it once (2009)


Seems like Jordan is the bigger underachiever :no:





Let's see if you can respond to this without another previous copy paste statement



This question has 3-ball stumped


Cause he doesn't have a previous essay saved to explain this :lol

[Bankaii]

It's hilarious how people call the current East weak, then proceed to try to validate how stacked Lebron's teams are with Allstar appearances in that same weak East. The hypocrisy is unreal.

Why don't you post the number of times a teammate has made the All NBA 1st team?

[3ball]

What did they average in the Finals dumb@ss?? :oldlol:


These ARE their Finals averages:

2011 Finals: Wade (26.5), Bosh (18.5)
2012 Finals: Wade (22.6), Bosh (14.6)
2013 Finals: Wade (19.6)
2014 Finals: Wade (15.2)


you don't even know the game - you're surprised Wade was so dominant - how could Lebron have a 27 ppg second option and 19 ppg 3rd option and lose Finals, including each of the last 3 games?.. i know how

[riseagainst]

These ARE their Finals averages:

2011 Finals: Wade (26.5), Bosh (18.5)
2012 Finals: Wade (22.6), Bosh (14.6)
2013 Finals: Wade (19.6)
2014 Finals: Wade (15.2)


you don't even know the game - you're surprised Wade was so dominant


ouch....

:lol

[Bankaii]

Pippen was never a dominant offensive player, like Pau and Wade were on many occasion - it's a totally different dimension of player when the guy can dominate offensively.

Also, MJ was the better defender - MJ always defended the other team's best player ANYTIME THEY WERE A GUARD, including Magic, Gary Payton, Reggie Miller, John Stockton, Clyde Drexler, KJ, Tim Hardaway, Rod Strickland, etc., etc.

Otoh, Pippen guarded Mark Jackson, the slowest PG of all-time one time and you give him props as the goat defender because of that.. In 1991 Finals, MJ was the primary defender on Magic - he guarded Magic for 14 of 20 quarters (70%) to Pippen's 6 quarters (30%).. And it was well-known, even by the mainstream media that MJ was the team's best defender:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOgJhzj4W9M&t=35m00s
Thus dude is reaching new levels of delusion.

[sd3035]

Accurate thread

Jordan is the greatest, with Kobe close behind

Lebald is like their towel boy

[3ball]

Thus dude is reaching new levels of delusion.


MJ always defended the other team's best player ANYTIME THEY WERE A GUARD, including:

Magic, Gary Payton (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL62CUehuw), Reggie Miller, Isiah Thomas (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9MfhFFE7fc), Clyde Drexler, John Stockton (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOuMwmXtgd0), Kevin Johnson (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K2rBgOqGCw), Tim Hardaway (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9ouMPqEk-s), Rod Strickland (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3JqY3CECW8), etc., etc.

Otoh, Pippen guarded Mark Jackson once, the slowest PG of all-time and you give him props as the goat perimeter defender because of that (and your MJ fatigue/bias).. But show me another time when Pippen was the primary defender on a PG?

In 1991 Finals, MJ was the primary defender on Magic - he guarded Magic for 14 of 20 quarters (70%) to Pippen's 6 quarters (30%).. And it was well-known, even by the mainstream media, that MJ was the team's best defender:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOgJhzj4W9M&t=35m00s

[sdot_thadon]

You know you melting down when you add a block of text in a quote.

:roll:
Says the guy who digs up old posts. Hey all I did was edit the quote. I'm never mad over basketball bro, this place is good fun at times.

Awesome part is when it dawns on you it took you longer to post a reply to me than I took doing that.....

[ralph_i_el]

Michael Jordan

1991: N/A
1992 - 1993; 1996 - 1998: Scottie Pippen (5)

Kobe Bryant

2000 - 2002; 2004: Shaquille O'Neal (4)
2008: N/A
2009 - 2010: Pau Gasol (2)

LeBron James

2007: N/A
2011 - 2014: Dwayne Wade (4), Chris Bosh (4)
2015: Kyrie Irving (1)

Total:

Michael Jordan: 5
Kobe Bryant: 6
LeBron James: 9

Finals Record:

Michael Jordan: 6/6
Kobe Bryant: 5/7
LeBron James: 2/6



Interesting the the one with most All-Star teammate has the worst record and the one with the least has the best record.

to be fair, Kyrie only played 1 game.

[kennethgriffin]

lets be real


Kobe =
- had 1 other hall of famer period for all 5 of his rings
- 2 without a legendary sidekick
- gasol 85th all time
- scrubs littered the rest of his lineups for all 5 rings
- sasha
- george
- farmar
- luke
- medvidenko
- mbenga
- fisher
- lue
- madsen
- medvidenko
- Odom = his best 3rd wheel has 0 allstar appearances
- 1 title rice a year away from retirement

Jordan =
- had 1 other productive hall of famer for 3 rings
- 2 other productive hall of famers for his other 3 rings
- had elite role players and former stars littered the rest of his lineup
- kukoc ( euro legend )
- armstrong ( was an allstar )
- grant ( was an allstar )
- paxson ( finals winning shot and all time great shooter )
- harper ( averaged 20ppg right before joining chicago )
- kerr ( finals winning shots and top 5 three point shooter ever )
- cartwright ( who averaged 20ppg before )
- hodges ( one of the best shooters ever )





lets be honest. sure kobe had shaq. but it was a 2 man team. and that was only for 3 of his 5

overall jordan had way more help




and dont even get me started on the colluder Dankey Kang

[Hey Yo]

Lebron had 15 ppg teammates 6 times in Finals:

2011 Finals: Wade (26.5), Bosh (18.5)
2012 Finals: Wade (22.6), Bosh (14.6)
2013 Finals: Wade (19.6)
2014 Finals: Wade (15.2)


Bosh averaged 14 ppg in 2014 and Mosgov 14/8 with 2 blk in 2015 (he would've averaged more if Lebron didn't have him benched in Game 5, after he'd scored 28/10 in previous Game 4 (the Lebron choke game)).
8pts were assisted by LeBron. 10 came from the FTL.

Why would he have him benched?

[ClipperRevival]

lets be real


Kobe =
- had 1 other hall of famer period for all 5 of his rings
- 2 without a legendary sidekick
- gasol 85th all time
- scrubs littered the rest of his lineups for all 5 rings
- sasha
- george
- farmar
- luke
- medvidenko
- mbenga
- fisher
- lue
- madsen
- medvidenko
- Odom = his best 3rd wheel has 0 allstar appearances
- 1 title rice a year away from retirement

Jordan =
- had 1 other productive hall of famer for 3 rings
- 2 other productive hall of famers for his other 3 rings
- had elite role players and former stars littered the rest of his lineup
- kukoc ( euro legend )
- armstrong ( was an allstar )
- grant ( was an allstar )
- paxson ( finals winning shot and all time great shooter )
- harper ( averaged 20ppg right before joining chicago )
- kerr ( finals winning shots and top 5 three point shooter ever )
- cartwright ( who averaged 20ppg before )
- hodges ( one of the best shooters ever )





lets be honest. sure kobe had shaq. but it was a 2 man team. and that was only for 3 of his 5

overall jordan had way more help




and dont even get me started on the colluder Dankey Kang

:banghead: Why do you even bother posting when you bring ZERO objectivity to the table? Seriously, no one takes your opinions seriously because of this.

So Bynum, Ariza, Horry, Shaw, Grant and Fox never played with Kobe? Who do you think you're talking too? A bunch of retarded kids who don't know what actually happened?

And I don't even want to comment on your Jordan list. :banghead:

[Showtime2001]

Number of times they had been carried to the title by a dominant teammate

MJ - 0
Lebron - 0











Kobe - all of them
http://s2.postimg.org/6slpcjr89/hi_res_88561878_crop_north_jpg_w_630_h_420_q_75.jp g
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_gsbJE5gxCyY/TB8gtXYvVDI/AAAAAAAAAPs/OOClgCHqaDg/s1600/kobe.jpg

Agenda driven fggt exposed.

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe had a top 5 all-time player - THAT DESTROYS ANYTHING MJ HAD, especially when the top 5 player did what top 5 players do - carry their teams (and Kobe) to multiple rings.

Also, Lamar > Kukoc... Fisher > Paxson... Horry, Fox, GLEN RICE


1 guy can only contribute so much


28/12/3 is nice


but the combination of pippen/rodman/kukoc/kerr/harper is worth more than 1 shaq





if people disagree then why on earth do all these idiots rank the 96 bulls as the greatest "TEAM" of all time



you f*cking hypocrites change your tune depending on your agenda ... its hilarious

[Marchesk]

but the combination of pippen/rodman/kukoc/kerr/harper is worth more than 1 shaq

Shaq + Horry + Fisher doe?

[3ball]

[B]


but the combination of pippen/rodman/kukoc/kerr/harper is worth more than 1 shaq



MJ never had everyone at the same time - he only had Pippen/Grant for first 3-peat and Pippen/Rodman for the second... Both of these is less than Shaq/Horace.

Do you realize Horace Grant started every single game for the Lakers in the RS and PO in 2001?

So Kobe had Shaq/Horace, and MJ had Pippen/Horace.. You do the math... This is actually threadworthy.

[Hey Yo]

Lebron had 15 ppg teammates 6 times in Finals:

2011 Finals: Wade (26.5), Bosh (18.5)
2012 Finals: Wade (22.6), Bosh (14.6)
2013 Finals: Wade (19.6)
2014 Finals: Wade (15.2)


Bosh averaged 14 ppg in 2014 and Mosgov 14/8 with 2 blk in 2015 (he would've averaged more if Lebron didn't have him benched in Game 5, after he'd scored 28/10 in previous Game 4 (the Lebron choke game)).
8pts were assisted by LeBron. 10 came from the FTL.

Why would he have him benched?

[kennethgriffin]

Shaq + Horry + Fisher doe?



horry was never even a productive starter. hes a legit role player

fisher at best was a solid wide open shooter that only survived in the nba due to kobe handling his ball handling/play making responsibilities

jordan had STARS that he turned into role players

after top 25 all time legend scottie pippen.. jordan had

- Bill cartwright averaged 20ppg before
- Toni Kukoc averaged 19ppg before
- ron harper averaged 23ppg before
- Dennis rodman WAS an NBA allstar and IS an NBA legend
- BJ Armstrong WAS an NBA allstar
- Horace grant WAS an NBA allstar
- John Paxson WON an nba title for jordan
- Steve Kerr WON an nba title for jordan and IS a shooting legend
- craig hodges WAS statistically one of the greatest shooters ever




these guys are or were much more talented than horry/fisher ever were.


these guys ARE worth more than 1 shaq

even with them split in half


jordan had an OVERWHELMINGLY THICK GARGANTUAN amount of talent

[kennethgriffin]

MJ never had everyone at the same time - he only had Pippen/Grant for first 3-peat and Pippen/Rodman for the second... Both of these is less than Shaq/Horace.

Do you realize Horace Grant started every single game for the Lakers in the RS and PO in 2001?

So Kobe had Shaq/Horace, and MJ had Pippen/Horace.. You do the math... This is actually threadworthy.


only* had pippen/grant




common guys.. why do i know more about jordans history than jordan fans do

[3ball]

only* had pippen/grant


Kobe had Horace Grant too - do you realize Horace Grant started every single game for the Lakers in the RS and PO in 2001?.. he averged 9/7, which is close to his same numbers with the Bulls (11/8)

So Kobe had Shaq/Horace, and MJ had Pippen/Horace.. You do the math.

[3ball]

Pippen was never a dominant offensive player like Pau and Wade - it's a totally different dimension when a player can dominate offensively, which Pippen never did.

Also, while Wade averaged 20/5/4 on 47.5% in the 2011-2014 playoffs, 2nd three-peat Pippen only averaged 17/7/5 on 40.8% in 1996-1998 playoffs, including 15 ppg on 34% in the 1996 Finals and again in 1998 Finals.. This is the worst ever for a 2nd option in the Finals..

Pippen also had a bevy of massive chokes, including the infamous meltdown in Game 3 of 1994 ECSF... 10/7 on 40% in 1989 ECF... and of course the so-called "migraines", which was code for 2 points and 1-10 in Game 7 of ECF - this cost Bulls their first championship, since Pistons only need 6 to beat Blazers, but needed 7 and Pippen choke to beat Bulls.

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe had Horace Grant too - do you realize Horace Grant started every single game for the Lakers in the RS and PO in 2001?

So Kobe had Shaq/Horace, and MJ had Pippen/Horace.. You do the math.



horace grant was an allstar in 1994 averaging 15/11/3 at age 28

jordan had grant from ages 25/26/27 ( prime )

kobe had grant for ages 35 and 38




come on man... will you give me some f*cking slack in here. i propped up your boy yesterday and said kobe cant catch him. hes the goat


now when i'm saying jordan had a deeper team you cant even give me that one?


this is why i am who i am on ISH. you all push me to spite each and every one of you

[3ball]

Pippen was never a dominant offensive player like Pau and Wade - it's a totally different dimension when a player can dominate offensively, which Pippen never did.

Also, while Wade averaged 20/5/4 on 47.5% in the 2011-2014 playoffs, 2nd three-peat Pippen only averaged 17/7/5 on 40.8% in 1996-1998 playoffs, including 15 ppg on 34% in the 1996 Finals and again in 1998 Finals.. This is the worst ever for a 2nd option in the Finals..

Pippen also had a bevy of massive chokes, including the infamous meltdown in Game 3 of 1994 ECSF... 10/7 on 40% in 1989 ECF... and of course the so-called "migraines", which was code for 2 points and 1-10 in Game 7 of ECF - this cost Bulls their first championship, since Pistons only need 6 to beat Blazers, but needed 7 and Pippen choke to beat Bulls.
True, and remember, MJ always defended the other team's best player ANYTIME THEY WERE A GUARD, including:

Magic, Gary Payton (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL62CUehuw), Reggie Miller, Isiah Thomas (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9MfhFFE7fc), Clyde Drexler, John Stockton (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOuMwmXtgd0), Kevin Johnson (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K2rBgOqGCw), Tim Hardaway (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9ouMPqEk-s), Rod Strickland (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3JqY3CECW8), etc., etc.

Otoh, Pippen who did Pippen ever guard?... He guarded Mark Jackson once, the slowest PG of all-time.. But show me another time when Pippen was the primary defender on a PG or SG?... He never did - that was MJ's job, but people overlook his goat defense because they're enamored with his goat offense.

In 1991 Finals, MJ was the primary defender on Magic - he guarded Magic for 14 of 20 quarters (70%) to Pippen's 6 quarters (30%).. It was well-known, even by the mainstream media, that MJ was the team's best defender:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOgJhzj4W9M&t=35m00s

[3ball]

jordan had grant from ages 25/26/27

kobe had grant for ages 35 and 38


Horace averaged 9/7 in 2001, which is basically the same as the 11/8 he averaged during MJ's first 3-peat (91'-93'), and for his entire time alongside MJ (88'-93').

So again, MJ had Pippen/Horace... Kobe had Shaq/Horace... You do the math.. MJ's waaaaaaayy >>

Not that the stats didn't already tell us that - MJ's very worst performances, seasons, and playoff series are Kobe's average.

[kennethgriffin]

True, and remember, MJ always defended the other team's best player ANYTIME THEY WERE A GUARD, including:

Magic, Gary Payton (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL62CUehuw), Reggie Miller, Isiah Thomas (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9MfhFFE7fc), Clyde Drexler, John Stockton (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOuMwmXtgd0), Kevin Johnson (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K2rBgOqGCw), Tim Hardaway (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9ouMPqEk-s), Rod Strickland (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3JqY3CECW8), etc., etc.

Otoh, Pippen who did Pippen ever guard?... He guarded Mark Jackson once, the slowest PG of all-time.. But show me another time when Pippen was the primary defender on a PG or SG?... He never did - that was MJ's job, but people overlook his goat defense because they're enamored with his goat offense.

In 1991 Finals, MJ was the primary defender on Magic - he guarded Magic for 14 of 20 quarters (70%) to Pippen's 6 quarters (30%).. It was well-known, even by the mainstream media, that MJ was the team's best defender:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOgJhzj4W9M&t=35m00s


you forgot to sign into your alt

[kennethgriffin]

Horace averaged 9/7 in 2001, which is nearly the same as the 11/8 he averaged during MJ's first 3-peat.

So again, MJ had Pippen/Horace... Kobe had Shaq/Horace... You do the math.. MJ's waaaaaaayy >>

Not that the stats didn't already tell us that - MJ's very worst performances, seasons, and playoff series are Kobe's average.


dude.. 25,26,27 vs 35 and 38


will you please shut the f*ck up.


jordans the best ever


. what on earth are you so god damn insecure about!

[dubeta]

BOILED DOWN


Number of finals appearances where each player had a teammate average more than 15.2 ppg


Kobe - 7

Jordan - 6





LeBron - 3




Irrefutable evidence, LeBron has less than half the amount finals appearances with 15ppg scorer help.




With literally half the supporting cast of MJ and Kobe, its a wonder LeBron made it to 6 finals, instead of flaming out of the 1st round like Kobe and Jordan did multiple times

[3ball]

will you please shut the f*ck up.


jordans the best ever


. what on earth are you so god damn insecure about!



https://i.imgflip.com/rudtg.gif

[kennethgriffin]

BOILED DOWN


Number of finals appearances where each player had a teammate average more than 15.2 ppg


Kobe - 7

Jordan - 6





LeBron - 3




Irrefutable evidence, LeBron has less than half the amount finals appearances with 15ppg scorer help.




With literally half the supporting cast of MJ and Kobe, its a wonder LeBron made it to 6 finals, instead of flaming out of the 1st round like Kobe and Jordan did multiple times


you act like lebron doesnt suffocate his teammates abilities


"hey you.. i know you used to average like 25/15/5 ... but can you stand in the corner and shoot 3's.. just get out of my way please. i'm lookin for dimes if i cant get a layup..."

http://media.giphy.com/media/zVvg4z8nwWAvu/giphy.gif

[Hey Yo]

dude.. 25,26,27 vs 35 and 38


will you please shut the f*ck up.


jordans the best ever


. what on earth are you so god damn insecure about!
That's an easy one to answer.


LeBron

[3ball]

Number of finals appearances where each player had a teammate average more than 15.2 ppg


Kobe - 7

Jordan - 6

LeBron - 6



I fixed your typo above for Lebron - these are the Finals PPG:

2011 Finals: Wade (26.5), Bosh (18.5)
2012 Finals: Wade (22.6), Bosh (14.6)
2013 Finals: Wade (19.6)
2014 Finals: Wade (15.2)


so you don't even know the game - you're surprised Wade was so dominant

how could Lebron lose the Finals with a 27 ppg second option and 19 ppg 3rd option, including each of the last 3 games?.. i know how

[dubeta]

I fixed your typo above for Lebron - these are the Finals PPG:

2011 Finals: Wade (26.5), Bosh (18.5)
2012 Finals: Wade (22.6), Bosh (14.6)
2013 Finals: Wade (19.6)
2014 Finals: Wade (15.2)


so you don't even know the game - you're surprised Wade was so dominant

how could Lebron lose the Finals with a 27 ppg second option and 19 ppg 3rd option, including each of the last 3 games?.. i know how

NUMBER OF FINALS APPEARANCES

Show me the 15.3 ppg scorers in 2007. 2014, 2015



try again little boy

:yaohappy:


Jordan literally had twice the help of LeBrons (6 vs 3)







Its no wonder Jordan could win with WOAT performances (1996) while LeBron loses with much better Finals performances than MJ had. (2014, 2015)

[kennethgriffin]

That's an easy one to answer.


LeBron


i doubt lebron will win 7 tititles

thats his only chance to even have a shot at being argued over jordan


how long would that take him?

1 title = 3 finals

2 titles = 6 finals

3 titles = 9 finals

4 titles = 12 finals

5 titles = 15 finals

6 titles = 18 finals

7 titles = 21 finals




so all lebron has to do is play another 15 years and make the nba finals a total of 20 consecutive times overall from 2011 till the year 2030.. playing a total of 27 nba seasons ?



cant be that hard... HES THE CHOSEN 1

[dh144498]

NUMBER OF FINALS APPEARANCES

Show me the 15.3 ppg scorers in 2007. 2014, 2015



try again little boy

:yaohappy:


Jordan literally had twice the help of LeBrons (6 vs 3)







Its no wonder Jordan could win with WOAT performances (1996) while LeBron loses with much better Finals performances than MJ had. (2014, 2015)


so why did you change your already arbitrary criteria from 15.0 to 15.2 after 3ball pointed out that Wade averaged 15.2 ppg in 2014?

:lol

[Beastmode88]

So according to Lebron stans MJ and Kobe are not even remotely close to being the TOP SG of all time. That being said Wade would arguably be the GOAT SG and lebron only went 2/4 with Wade? :biggums: