LeBron James - 2015 Finals: 35.8ppg (40%), 13.4rpg, 8.8apg

[Rake2204]

Just because I'm sure folks were wondering.

Also, I could be wrong, but I came up with a .397% field goal percentage so I rounded that up. I realize some people may not favor my decision in that manner.

[navy]

Yeah a decline in his game and stamina this year. But he tried man.

Hopefully the Cavs come back healthy next year.

[nba_55]

The real FMVP. :applause: :applause:

[iTare]

insane that this watered down version of lebron when given the green light can make it that far with such a team.

[bobopenguin]

Just because I'm sure folks were wondering.

Also, I could be wrong, but I came up with a .397% field goal percentage so I rounded that up. I realize some people may not favor my decision in that manner.

show us the FGA each game pls.

[Soundwave]

Good numbers but horrid efficiency. 38% shooting isn't good. The Warriors aren't exactly a great defensive team and were playing him single coverage for most of the series too.

[MP.Trey]

First player in Finals history to lead BOTH teams in points, rebounds and assists.

[Rake2204]

show us the FGA each game pls.

Game 1: 18/38 44 points, 8 rebounds, 6 assists
Game 2: 11/35 39 points, 16 rebounds, 11 assists
Game 3: 14/34 40 points, 12 rebounds, 8 assists
Game 4: 7/22 20 points, 12 rebounds, 8 assists
Game 5: 15/34 40 points, 14 rebounds, 11 assists
Game 6: 13/33 32 points, 18 rebounds, 9 assists

[jlip]

Good numbers but horrid efficiency. 38% shooting isn't good. The Warriors aren't exactly a great defensive team and were playing him single coverage for most of the series too.

Weren't they the best defensive team in the league this year?

[LBJMVP]

Good numbers but horrid efficiency. 38% shooting isn't good. The Warriors aren't exactly a great defensive team and were playing him single coverage for most of the series too.


bro... dont they have two top 10 defensive players of the year voting players on there roster this season, and wasn't iguadola incredible at defense the past two years?

the better team won.... but don't lie about a team that was number 1 in defensive effiency for the season and say they arent good at defense.

[scandisk_]

YOU'VE GOT BALLS BRON! YOU'VE GOT BALLS!

The real Finals MVP for me :applause:

[Just2McFly]

Not MVP tho

[jlip]

First player in Finals history to lead BOTH teams in points, rebounds and assists.

Lebron has actually led his team in points, rebounds, and assists in four consecutive Finals.

[Fire Colangelo]

Good numbers but horrid efficiency. 38% shooting isn't good. The Warriors aren't exactly a great defensive team and were playing him single coverage for most of the series too.

#1 defense in the league... Aren't a great defensive team lol.

Respect for LeBron, he literally plays the entire game since the Cavs are so watered down. Can't wait for a healthy Cavs team next year.

[Cold soul]

Great numbers all around but bad FG%.

[SouBeachTalents]

LeBron did the most he could, no other player in history would have led this team to a championship

[The Iron Fist]

http://i.imgur.com/0fY8UmR.png

[GIF REACTION]

No one has ever done more with less than Lebron

I think he'll go down with the likes of Shaq and Wilt as being the MDE class....

[LilEddyCurry]

Appreciate greatness :applause:
I feel sorry for Lebron. In 2007, his team was not suppose to be in the finals but he carried them to the finals, this year he went up against a full healthy 67-15 team whilst missing Love and Irving. But he did have the biggest choke job in 2011.

[Mr. Jabbar]

2/6 :oldlol:

[KDthunderup]

Westbrook esque

[TheCorporation]

Lebron has actually led his team in points, rebounds, and assists in four consecutive Finals.
BOTH teams

First time ever happened in the NBA Finals.

[Mr Feeny]

Great numbers all around but bad FG%.

Agreed. 40%fg is horrid. Lebron has a better career fg% finals fg% for a reason. He had a shocker shooting-wise by his standards but still averaged 13.4 rpg and 9 apg. That's insane! Lebron has definitely earned the respect of a lot of people this finals:applause:

[RRR3]

He tried. He played his ****in heart out. And that was enough for me.


I know that may sound bad, but after 2011, even Bron fans had to question his heart.

[DonDadda59]

LeBron 'Empty Stats' James.

[Magic 32]

Game 1: 18/38 44 points, 8 rebounds, 6 assists, 20 missed shots
Game 2: 11/35 39 points, 16 rebounds, 11 assists, 24 missed shots
Game 3: 14/34 40 points, 12 rebounds, 8 assists, 20 missed shots
Game 4: 7/22 20 points, 12 rebounds, 8 assists, 15 missed shots
Game 5: 15/34 40 points, 14 rebounds, 11 assists, 19 missed shots
Game 6: 13/33 32 points, 18 rebounds, 9 assists, 20 missed shots

:hammerhead:

1 missed shot away from 5 games with 20+ misses. And the other game he shot 31.8%

Yikes.

[dreamwarrior]

gotta give it to lebron. he gave it everything he had. they were lucky to win 2 with the team they had.

[StephHamann]

Lebron with the strong 20/6 today.

:applause:

[Cali Syndicate]

Lebron still the best player in the world. His midrange is still that glaring hole in his game.

[SyRyanYang]

So Iggy was granted MVP because he held Lebron to those numbers

[Rake2204]

Meanwhile, this may also be of interest to some:

Series Totals:

J.R. Smith: 24/77
Matthew Dellavedova: 15/58
Iman Shumpert: 11/43
James Jones: 6/19

Grand Total: 56/197 (28.4%)

Frontcourt Series Totals:

Timofey Mozgov: 27/49
Tristan Thompson: 24/48

Grand Total: 51/97 (52.5%)

[Straight_Ballin]

LeBron did the most he could, no other player in history would have led this team to a championship

False, Jordan would. He put up better numbers on double coverage and is proven to never lose a finals series no matter the situation. Stop kidding yourself.

[Straight_Ballin]

Meanwhile, this may also be of interest to some:

Series Totals:

J.R. Smith: 24/77
Matthew Dellavedova: 15/58
Iman Shumpert: 11/43
James Jones: 6/19

Grand Total: 56/197 (28.4%)

Post mosgov and average?

[SouBeachTalents]

False, Jordan would. He put up better numbers on double coverage and is proven to never lose a finals series no matter the situation. Stop kidding yourself.

Jordan's GOAT, but I think we saw how Jordan did with shit teammates against great teams. Won 1 game in 3 series

[PsychoBe]

Jordan's GOAT, but I think we saw how Jordan did with shit teammates against great teams. Won 1 game in 3 series

prime kobe and mj would because they wouldn't shoot 26% from mid-range and 36% in the paint

[AlphaWolf24]

I actually enjoyed watching Lebron play Kobesque....

so much more dominating...so much more entertaining....





just aesthetically more pleasing.....and he nearly won the title:bowdown:

[Rocketswin2013]

****ing Top 3 BOAT at worst. He really needs to win again, though. Not getting younger. I think a prime athleticism LeBron would have done even better.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Jordan's GOAT, but I think we saw how Jordan did with shit teammates against great teams. Won 1 game in 3 series

Lebron would be lucky to win a quarter from those Celtics teams.

The East was actually really good in the 80s (no, really).

[Mr. Jabbar]

39% :lol

bran stans shook

[BigTicket]

prime kobe and mj would because they wouldn't shoot 26% from mid-range and 36% in the paint

Jordan wouldn't shoot that badly, but Kobe might.

However, Kobe/Jordan also wouldn't average 13rpg and 9apg in this situation.

[Rooster]

Jordan wouldn't shoot that badly, but Kobe might.

However, Kobe/Jordan also wouldn't average 13rpg and 9apg in this situation.

No team will play them man to man though because they both have the midrange to make them pay.

[Rake2204]

prime kobe and mj would because they wouldn't shoot 26% from mid-range and 36% in the paintOut of legit curiosity, asking anyone - not just you, where did the majority of Jordan's struggles come from when he shot 42% against the Sonics and 43% against the Jazz?

[NBASTATMAN]

His finishing just isnt what it once was.. He misses shots he once made with his eyes closed.. His free throws remain GARBAGE THOUGH..

[NBASTATMAN]

Jordan wouldn't shoot that badly, but Kobe might.

However, Kobe/Jordan also wouldn't average 13rpg and 9apg in this situation.


I am sure KObe has shot around there his entire finals history.. :roll:

[r15mohd]

Meanwhile, this may also be of interest to some:

Series Totals:

J.R. Smith: 24/77
Matthew Dellavedova: 15/58
Iman Shumpert: 11/43
James Jones: 6/19

Grand Total: 56/197 (28.4%)

Frontcourt Series Totals:

Timofey Mozgov: 27/49
Tristan Thompson: 24/48

Grand Total: 51/97 (52.5%)

this. main reason why Lebron had no choice but to take so many shots. his game relies on a pass first mentality for the open guy and really none of his outside threats could hit a shot. he basically took it upon himself to get the buckets, at no regards to what his efficiency would be

anyhow he had somewhat of a relaible shooter from outside, you can basically assure less FGA and a better FG% overall. he truly did lay it out on the floor trying to will this team to victory. can't be upset one bit at the FG% in seeing how much he had to make up for the rest of the team :applause: :applause: :applause:

[NBASTATMAN]

I actually enjoyed watching Lebron play Kobesque....

so much more dominating...so much more entertaining....





just aesthetically more pleasing.....and he nearly won the title:bowdown:


Like Kobe he missed alot of shots that should have been made.. Unlike KOBE he had a two to one assist to turnover ratio..

[r15mohd]

False, Jordan would. He put up better numbers on double coverage and is proven to never lose a finals series no matter the situation. Stop kidding yourself.

are you really trying to compare any Bulls team in the Finals to this Cavs squad in the Finals? :facepalm

obvious is obvious that MJ had the talent around him to not prevent losing in the finals, and putting up the better numbers too. don;t be naive :no:

[Dresta]

Lebron has actually led his team in points, rebounds, and assists in four consecutive Finals.
He pads an insane amount of uncontested defensive rebounds - if he were such a great rebounder, then he wouldn't grab so few offensive boards (Mosgov had more offensive rebounds 18 to 11, and Tristan had 32!). I saw about a half dozen boards last night that Bron collected with no one around him - as usual, the stats are not as impressive as they look, because as we know, Lebron is always playing for stats in one way or another.

And yet with the above quote, you can come away with the illusion that Bron was the best (or most important) rebounder on his team, which is patently untrue.

[dunksby]

He pads an insane amount of uncontested defensive rebounds - if he were such a great rebounder, then he wouldn't grab so few offensive boards (Mosgov had more offensive rebounds 18 to 11, and Tristan had 32!). I saw about a half dozen boards last night that Bron collected with no one around him - as usual, the stats are not as impressive as they look, because as we know, Lebron is always playing for stats in one way or another.

And yet with the above quote, you can come away with the illusion that Bron was the best (or most important) rebounder on his team, which is patently untrue.
How is he going to rebound his own misses?

[Rake2204]

I am sure KObe has shot around there his entire finals history.. :roll:

Kobe Bryant - Finals Composite

2010: .405 28.6ppg, 8.0rpg, 3.0apg
2009: .430 32.4ppg, 5.6rpg, 7.4apg
2008: .405 25.7ppg, 4.7rpg, 5.0apg
2004: .381 22.6ppg, 2.8rpg, 4.4apg
2002: .514 26.8ppg, 5.8rpg, 5.3apg
2001: .415 24.6ppg, 7.8rpg, 5.8apg
2000: .367 15.6ppg, 4.6rpg, 4.2apg

[Dresta]

this. main reason why Lebron had no choice but to take so many shots. his game relies on a pass first mentality for the open guy and really none of his outside threats could hit a shot. he basically took it upon himself to get the buckets, at no regards to what his efficiency would be

anyhow he had somewhat of a relaible shooter from outside, you can basically assure less FGA and a better FG% overall. he truly did lay it out on the floor trying to will this team to victory. can't be upset one bit at the FG% in seeing how much he had to make up for the rest of the team :applause: :applause: :applause:
That would be because he was given single coverage clear-outs all series and was still guarded 1v1; it's harder to get open shots for other guys when GS is just letting you toss up bricks, and not leaving 3-point shooters open, isn't it?

If his shot had been at all reliable he would have opened things up for his teammates far more also, but he could barely hit anything :roll:

[plowking]

Kobe Bryant - Finals Composite

2010: .405 28.6ppg, 8.0rpg, 3.0apg
2009: .430 32.4ppg, 5.6rpg, 7.4apg
2008: .405 25.7ppg, 4.7rpg, 5.0apg
2004: .381 22.6ppg, 2.8rpg, 4.4apg
2002: .514 26.8ppg, 5.8rpg, 5.3apg
2001: .415 24.6ppg, 7.8rpg, 5.8apg
2000: .367 15.6ppg, 4.6rpg, 4.2apg

People can say what they want, but this performance is better than any Kobe performance in a finals.

[Dresta]

How is he going to rebound his own misses?
:biggums:

Guys do that all the time, in fact, you'd think Lebron had been doing a lot of that looking at his raw rebounding numbers and FG% :oldlol:.

[STATUTORY]

People can say what they want, but this performance is better than any Kobe performance in a finals.


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: when was the last time Kobe was left wide open and dared to shoot by a light skinned 150 pound point guard?

[andgar923]

Meanwhile, this may also be of interest to some:

Series Totals:

J.R. Smith: 24/77
Matthew Dellavedova: 15/58
Iman Shumpert: 11/43
James Jones: 6/19

Grand Total: 56/197 (28.4%)

Frontcourt Series Totals:

Timofey Mozgov: 27/49
Tristan Thompson: 24/48

Grand Total: 51/97 (52.5%)

That's because he can't create for others like great passers do.

Kicking back for 3s isn't great passing no matter how open they are, they're still 3s.

He needs to set them up better, I think I only saw 2 plays last night in which he did so. It's mostly just kick outs for 3s, that aint gonna get you high efficiency, it isn't going to get your teammates on a flow.

[Rake2204]

That would be because he was given single coverage clear-outs all series and was still guarded 1v1; it's harder to get open shots for other guys when GS is just letting you toss up bricks, and not leaving 3-point shooters open, isn't it?

If his shot had been at all reliable he would have opened things up for his teammates far more also, but he could barely hit anything :roll:I believe the truth may lay somewhere in the middle. Undoubtedly, James would have benefited from having a reliable or deadly outside stroke, and it would have provided even more looks for his teammates.

However, even when open, those teammates (along the perimeter) did an absolutely miserable job of making shots. Also, separate from open shooting and LeBron James' shooting, it would have been to Cleveland's benefit if at least one other perimeter player were able to create their own shot to some degree. I believe that's largely what relegated James to downhill one-on-one status each play down. If there were any other perimeter threats on the floor, perhaps an offense could have flowed away from James at times, but in this case, it would have been disastrous.


That's because he can't create for others like great passers do.

Kicking back for 3s isn't great passing no matter how open they are, they're still 3s.

He needs to set them up better, I think I only saw 2 plays last night in which he did so. It's mostly just kick outs for 3s, that aint gonna get you high efficiency, it isn't going to get your teammates on a flow.In the given situation (with J.R. Smith, Matthew Dellavedova, Iman Shumpert, and James Jones standing as the primary perimeter threats), I think there was going to be heavy, heavy limitations as to what James was going to be able to milk from those fellas, barring one of Smith's crazy runs like he had against Atlanta. Those guys had a lot of good looks, many times from James, sometimes not. They still shot 28% collectively, and I honestly think it may have been even lower if it weren't for James.

But have there been other players in the history of the game who created for others at a better rate? Surely. I'm trying to picture what Jason Kidd would have done with this Cavs team in James' place. Would the outcome really have been much different? It seems those four truly had good looks in many instances throughout the series and they just didn't hit.

[kshutts1]

He pads an insane amount of uncontested defensive rebounds - if he were such a great rebounder, then he wouldn't grab so few offensive boards (Mosgov had more offensive rebounds 18 to 11, and Tristan had 32!). I saw about a half dozen boards last night that Bron collected with no one around him - as usual, the stats are not as impressive as they look, because as we know, Lebron is always playing for stats in one way or another.

And yet with the above quote, you can come away with the illusion that Bron was the best (or most important) rebounder on his team, which is patently untrue.
Completely agree with the bolded. However, EVERY rebounder, whether great, poor or mediocre, has uncontested rebounds. So please don't even mention that by way of diminishing Lebron.

[r15mohd]

That would be because he was given single coverage clear-outs all series and was still guarded 1v1; it's harder to get open shots for other guys when GS is just letting you toss up bricks, and not leaving 3-point shooters open, isn't it?

If his shot had been at all reliable he would have opened things up for his teammates far more also, but he could barely hit anything :roll:


if you think he was guarded 1v1, you are as stupid as these stans...when Lebron beat his defender, which he did a lot, he was met with 1 or 2 more immediately. it's basically a hybrid of defense in which the Warriors played. they dared him to shoot (and his jumper was completely off), but if he put it on the floor, he would need to earn the shot over a collective effort from the Warriors defense

his shot hasn't been as reliable all playoff's long, and he found his shooters and they hit their shots...happened against Boston, Chicago and Atlanta. again, many wide open shots were missed from what was falling in previous series. and it's not as if they were any more/less covered than in the other series as opposed to the Finals, many of the same looks just didn't fall.

and as is well known across the world with Lebron and as you saw as a Heat fan :hammerhead:, his greatest threat is his ability to pass...but what good is the pass if the shooter can't hit the shot (Miller, Battier, Jones, Allen, etc. all are evidence to this) :confusedshrug: yes, his shot sucked, but that's basically what was needed by him to keep the games close...keep shooting and the points come, no matter how bad the efficiency

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobetards are crying about 40% when their boy is 41% in the finals for his CAREEER.. lol?

[catch24]

People can say what they want, but this performance is better than any Kobe performance in a finals.

I'll just say that having the ball in your hands for every other possession while being single-covered....is something heaps of ATG perimeter players would have killed for.

So while LeBron's numbers are nice, Kobe's series vs the Magic and Celtics were more impressive because of the context within them. Getting a W in both certainly helps.

[Velocirap31]

Kobetards are crying about 40% when their boy is 41% in the finals for his CAREEER.. lol?

:lol

[Iceman#44]

I dont get why so much hate on LeBald for his .398FG%

I mean...LeCramp shoot .357% in the 2007 Finals! What do you expect? :lol :lol :lol :lol

[plowking]

I'll just say that having the ball in your hands for every other possession while being single-covered....is something heaps of ATG perimeter players would have killed for.

So while LeBron's numbers are nice, Kobe's series vs the Magic and Celtics were more impressive because of the context within them. Getting a W in both certainly helps.

Ray Allen was single covering Kobe for large chunks of action in the 10' series.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

He put up Shaq numbers in terms of points/rebounds. Yes he shot 40% but come on for those trolling that. He literally was playing 1v5 at times. Shumpert hasn't been a great defender/good spot up shooter since his first two years in the league. Dude has great potential but never ever fixed that jumper and his +/- show how overrated of a defender he is. JR Smith was his typical self again and that's not a good thing. Dallendova did whatever he could. The fact LeBron pulled 8.8 asts with those type of teammates in itself is pretty impressive. The Warriors are too stacked and will probably be a title contender as long as everyone stays together and remain relatively healthy. Their trio at SF (Harrison Barnes- good young player and could get better in the upcoming years, Draymond Green- let's be real I know he plays PF but he hustles, passes, rebounds like a small forward, and Andre Igoudala- I used to watch him a lot in his last few seasons with the Sixers, he could have put up Jamal Mashburn numbers every season 21/6/6 but he was more of a teammate than a pure scorer).

So generally speaking, even though in my opinion LeBron regressed this year and I thought it was obvious he did by quite a bit. He wasn't his typical MVP self. Seems like age may be starting to play in. His jumper was broken throughout most of the playoffs so to pull of a "Kobe" fg percentile while nearly pulling a triple double with Shaq like points and rebounds is pretty crazy. Some people say he should have stayed with the Heat. To be honest, I thought this too but just look at how fragile Wade has become with age and how Bosh seemingly regressed a lot when he came over from the Raptors. He hasn't been that dominant big he used to be. All the superstars in the Eastern Conference are getting old. The Western Conference has so many emerging stars/superstars in comparison.

All in all:
-I think LeBron has made a better case for himself to be ranked higher amongst NBA greats. He was already a top 12-15 before this finals. Maybe he cracks top 10.
-He definitely surpassed the hype in my opinion of when he came out of high school. He's a Hall of Famer like some people projected him to be but he's actually a decent candidate for top 10 all time.
-Heat were getting old and the Cavs looked young/fresh/inexperienced. I understand LeBron's temptation to come to Cleveland to try to finally bring home a title.
-I have a really bad feeling LeBron is going to consider to opt out.
-To be honest, I can't even imagine how he feels right now. He put all of his effort into the series and the former Knicks showed why they got traded because their values were escalated due to playing for a bad team. Kyrie was hurt, Love got hurt, and Love hasn't been the same since he got the Cavs.
-They should have never traded Wiggins IMO. Not saying he would be averaging 20 ppgs in the final but at least LeBron could get an athletic young kid who can post up and spread the floor with his above average jumper at his age. He is also a better defender than Shumpert already at the age of 19-20 and is miles ahead offensively.

[r15mohd]

He put up Shaq numbers in terms of points/rebounds. Yes he shot 40% but come on for those trolling that. He literally was playing 1v5 at times. Shumpert hasn't been a great defender/good spot up shooter since his first two years in the league. Dude has great potential but never ever fixed that jumper and his +/- show how overrated of a defender he is. JR Smith was his typical self again and that's not a good thing. Dallendova did whatever he could. The fact LeBron pulled 8.8 asts with those type of teammates in itself is pretty impressive. The Warriors are too stacked and will probably be a title contender as long as everyone stays together and remain relatively healthy. Their trio at SF (Harrison Barnes- good young player and could get better in the upcoming years, Draymond Green- let's be real I know he plays PF but he hustles, passes, rebounds like a small forward, and Andre Igoudala- I used to watch him a lot in his last few seasons with the Sixers, he could have put up Jamal Mashburn numbers every season 21/6/6 but he was more of a teammate than a pure scorer).

So generally speaking, even though in my opinion LeBron regressed this year and I thought it was obvious he did by quite a bit. He wasn't his typical MVP self. Seems like age may be starting to play in. His jumper was broken throughout most of the playoffs so to pull of a "Kobe" fg percentile while nearly pulling a triple double with Shaq like points and rebounds is pretty crazy. Some people say he should have stayed with the Heat. To be honest, I thought this too but just look at how fragile Wade has become with age and how Bosh seemingly regressed a lot when he came over from the Raptors. He hasn't been that dominant big he used to be. All the superstars in the Eastern Conference are getting old. The Western Conference has so many emerging stars/superstars in comparison.

All in all:
-I think LeBron has made a better case for himself to be ranked higher amongst NBA greats. He was already a top 12-15 before this finals. Maybe he cracks top 10.
-He definitely surpassed the hype in my opinion of when he came out of high school. He's a Hall of Famer like some people projected him to be but he's actually a decent candidate for top 10 all time.
-Heat were getting old and the Cavs looked young/fresh/inexperienced. I understand LeBron's temptation to come to Cleveland to try to finally bring home a title.
-I have a really bad feeling LeBron is going to consider to opt out.
-To be honest, I can't even imagine how he feels right now. He put all of his effort into the series and the former Knicks showed why they got traded because their values were escalated due to playing for a bad team. Kyrie was hurt, Love got hurt, and Love hasn't been the same since he got the Cavs.
-They should have never traded Wiggins IMO. Not saying he would be averaging 20 ppgs in the final but at least LeBron could get an athletic young kid who can post up and spread the floor with his above average jumper at his age. He is also a better defender than Shumpert already at the age of 19-20 and is miles ahead offensively.

he's opting out to sign a bigger contract...he's not leaving Cleveland. they were within 2 games with a depleted team, and he's well aware of this. He knows Love, Kyrie and Varejao will make a huge difference come next season.

if the Cavs are a bust next year though...that's when things get a bit timid on him resigning long-term under the TV deal

[The Iron Fist]

Kobetards are crying about 40% when their boy is 41% in the finals for his CAREEER.. lol?
Hes also 5-2, not 2-4.

[Rake2204]

Hes also 5-2, not 2-4.Among my many issues with attributing team championships to individual ability, if James played worse individually (say, the 15 ppg on .367% shooting of a 2000 Bryant) but his team won (which would have to be thanks to outstanding performances from a number of teammates), that would somehow thrust him forward in terms of individual greatness?

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Among my many issues with attributing team championships to individual ability, if James played worse individually (say, the 15 ppg on .367% shooting of a 2000 Bryant) but his team won (which would have to be thanks to outstanding performances from a number of teammates), that would somehow thrust him forward in terms of individual greatness?

Kobe had the luxury of having Shaq in his absolute prime and ton of role players who played decently well. That Pacers team was also without a prime Reggie Miller. I find it kind of surprising it took the Lakers 6 games to win the series but I guess the 2000 playoffs with all of those long series they dealt with to get to the finals showed their inability to close out teams.

[dunksby]

:biggums:

Guys do that all the time, in fact, you'd think Lebron had been doing a lot of that looking at his raw rebounding numbers and FG% :oldlol:.
Iggy forced him out of his comfort zone and he had to shoot far from the rim, those misses got collected by Mozgod or Christianson.

[Dro]

Kobe had the luxury of having Shaq in his absolute prime and ton of role players who played decently well. That Pacers team was also without a prime Reggie Miller. I find it kind of surprising it took the Lakers 6 games to win the series but I guess the 2000 playoffs with all of those long series they dealt with to get to the finals showed their inability to close out teams.
And it should have went 7 because the Lakers were down 16 points in the 3rd quarter until Shaq got away with 2 offensive goaltends which completely changed the momentum of the game........

[NBAplayoffs2001]

And it should have went 7 because the Lakers were down 16 points in the 3rd quarter until Shaq got away with 2 offensive goaltends which completely changed the momentum of the game........

I'm just bitter cause the Pacers beat the Knicks in those playoffs.

[hawke812]

Yeah a decline in his game and stamina this year. But he tried man.

Hopefully the Cavs come back healthy next year.

Any other player would be called a chucker:roll:

[Smoke117]

King James >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MJ >> Kobrick

[riseagainst]

Good numbers but horrid efficiency. 38% shooting isn't good. The Warriors aren't exactly a great defensive team and were playing him single coverage for most of the series too.

:biggums:

[JerrySeinfeld]

insane that this watered down version of lebron when given the green light can make it that far with such a team.

It's the East.

[navy]

Any other player would be called a chucker:roll:
He was definitely chucking bad shots. :facepalm

Anyways. Hopefully every team is healthy next year. Might see Lebron vs KD round 2.

[riseagainst]

Any other player would be called a chucker:roll:

it would be different if he didn't get 13 rebound and almost 9 assists a game as well. Not to mention him playing with D-leaguers.

[J Shuttlesworth]

It's the East.
Ok? And yet he made the series more competitive than any of the western powerhouses did even though he didn't have two all stars. You could say the Memphis series was as competitive, but the games the Warriors won against memphis were all blowouts. The Cavs made every game competitive aside from game 4.

[J Shuttlesworth]

it would be different if he didn't get 13 rebound and almost 9 assists a game as well. Not to mention him playing with D-leaguers.
Dude I won't lie... I always thought you were a LeBron hater. Weren't you? Or am I mixing you up with someone else

[warriorfan]

you guys are so autistic with fieldgoal percentage.

kobe has similar FG% with 50 less pounds and 4 inches less than height while playing guard when lebron plays point forward. that means kobe has to work a lot harder to get that FG% up but the fact that it's even close is absurd and shows how good kobe's shooting is compared to LeBron. And down the 4th when Lebron starts struggling as the paint gets more congested or teams make defensive adjustments such as not playing him as tight. Kobe is a lot harder to gameplan against. If Kobe is torching you off the dribble you can't sag off him, and if you play tight he will drive on you, he has a true 2 option game where he is equally deadly with each one and you can't overcompensate for one another. You are just in no mans land for eternity as a defender. That is why Kobe has less stats and more W's than LeBron. LeBron will get you stats but his game isn't multifaceted enough to adapt to adjustments.

[riseagainst]

Dude I won't lie... I always thought you were a LeBron hater. Weren't you? Or am I mixing you up with someone else

i have seen enough this finals. He really opened my eyes to his greatness. He is incredible.

[DMAVS41]

you guys are so autistic with fieldgoal percentage.

kobe has similar FG% with 50 less pounds and 4 inches less than height while playing guard when lebron plays point forward. that means kobe has to work a lot harder to get that FG% up but the fact that it's even close is absurd and shows how good kobe's shooting is compared to LeBron. And down the 4th when Lebron starts struggling as the paint gets more congested or teams make defensive adjustments such as not playing him as tight. Kobe is a lot harder to gameplan against. If Kobe is torching you off the dribble you can't sag off him, and if you play tight he will drive on you, he has a true 2 option game where he is equally deadly with each one and you can't overcompensate for one another. You are just in no mans land for eternity as a defender. That is why Kobe has less stats and more W's than LeBron. LeBron will get you stats but his game isn't multifaceted enough to adapt to adjustments.

You are only talking about offense...and really only scoring offense.

I agree with a lot of what you say...Kobe is clearly the more dangerous scorer and iso player vs real 1 on 1 defense.

It's all the other aspects of the game that make Lebron better. Lebron really does best Kobe in pretty much every other area...and again...Lebron is more in the Magic Johnson mold. He isn't a 1 on 1 and just pure scorer like MJ/Kobe.

Lebron can score of course...and score well, but he doesn't have the consistent range shooting, foot work in the post, or quickness off the triple threat to dominate just as a scorer like other elite offensive scorers have.

What makes Lebron so elite is his all around game combined with his ability to score in bunches....while also being able to play point forward at an elite level and control games.

He's not a pure scorer and he shouldn't be judged like that is all he does.

[navy]

What makes Lebron so elite is his all around game combined with his ability to score in bunches....while also being able to play point forward at an elite level and control games.



Basically this. Also think about when Lebron was at his peak and he was scoring at a 50% clip like the last few Cavs years or in 2012 where he averaged 30 a game in the playoffs. That's elite scoring, playmaking and rebounding and defense.

If someone wants to argue Kobe was a better scorer than 2015 Lebron? Go ahead. I wont fight you. He was clearly. But Kobe overall hasnt displayed enough of a scoring gap to matter over the other things Lebron brings especially when Lebron has some better scoring years than he does. It's just that simple.

[AlphaWolf24]

Like Kobe he missed alot of shots that should have been made.. Unlike KOBE he had a two to one assist to turnover ratio..


oh really?


He still lost...in fact I would rather see him shoot more then pass it to back out to shumpert...


how many Titles did John stockton win again?...


anyways...Lebron's Kobe impression was much more entertaining and Dominating....still would like to have seen him shoot more though!

If he had Kobe's post game he might have been able to beat the Dubs....oh well.


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[catch24]

oh really?


He still lost...in fact I would rather see him shoot more then pass it to back out to shumpert...


how many Titles did John stockton win again?...


anyways...Lebron's Kobe impression was much more entertaining and Dominating....still would like to have seen him shoot more though!

If he had Kobe's post game he might have been able to beat the Dubs....oh well.


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Or jumpshot. LeBron was 39-137 (28%) from 5 feet and beyond. Literally one of the craziest stats I've seen from a player coveted as LeBron is.

[Ne 1]

Or jumpshot. LeBron was 39-137 (28%) from 5 feet and beyond. Literally one of the craziest stats I've seen from a player coveted as LeBron is.
The thing is LeBron is basically a "jack of all trades" player, but he isn't a scorer, and he has very limited offensive skills. You will NEVER see a player like Kobe or Durant guarded like LeBron was. Those guys will go for near 50 points a game if you play them like that.

[PsychoBe]

You are only talking about offense...and really only scoring offense.

I agree with a lot of what you say...Kobe is clearly the more dangerous scorer and iso player vs real 1 on 1 defense.

It's all the other aspects of the game that make Lebron better. Lebron really does best Kobe in pretty much every other area...and again...Lebron is more in the Magic Johnson mold. He isn't a 1 on 1 and just pure scorer like MJ/Kobe.

Lebron can score of course...and score well, but he doesn't have the consistent range shooting, foot work in the post, or quickness off the triple threat to dominate just as a scorer like other elite offensive scorers have.

What makes Lebron so elite is his all around game combined with his ability to score in bunches....while also being able to play point forward at an elite level and control games.

He's not a pure scorer and he shouldn't be judged like that is all he does.

do you want us to talk about bran's "defense"? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

let's just not go there. you could also bring up a forward's coveted ability to grab more defensive rebounds than most players on the court, but that doesn't mean anything. just face it, if bran had actually spent the time to develop an all-around scoring game then it would had done wonders for him. but he never did, and he paid the price for it by shooting 38% from the field and 24% out of the paint.

never compare bran to kobe, he's just not good enough. and now we know that he never will be.