mvps who have more titles than mvps vs mvps who have more mvps than titles

[kennethgriffin]

which is the more impressive list



equal or better:


jordan - 6 rings, 5 mvps
russell - 11 rings, 5 mvps
bird - 3 rings, 3 mvps
magic - 5 rings, 3 mvps
kobe - 5 rings, 1 mvp
duncan - 4.5 rings, 2 mvps
hakeem - 2 rings, 1 mvp
kareem - 6 rings, 6 mvps
shaq - 4 rings, 1 mvp
oscar - 1 ring, 1 mvp
garnett - 1 ring, 1 mvp
dirk - 1 ring, 1 mvp
robinson - 2 rings, 1 mvp
walton - 1 ring, 1 mvp
mcadoo - 2 rings, 1 mvp
cowens - 2 rings, 1 mvp
reed - 2 rings, 1 mvp
unseld - 1 ring, 1 mvp
cousy - 6 rings, 1 mvp



below:

lebron - 1.5 rings, 4 mvps
moses - 1 ring, 3 mvps
pettit - 1 ring, 2 mvps
nash - 0 rings, 2 mvps
rose - 0 rings, 1 mvp
iverson - 0 rings, 1 mvp
karl - 0 rings, 1 mvp
barkley - 0 rings, 1 mvp
durant - 0 rings, 1 mvp




to those who think its better to have more mvps than rings

history disagrees

nobody wants to be part of the 2nd list

its about rings by mvps. not mvps by ring winners or title virgins



and steph currys about to add his name to the top tier list

[kennethgriffin]

lebron - 1.5 rings, 4 mvps ( 1.5 for 6 in finals )
moses - 1 ring, 3 mvps ( 1 for 2 in finals )
pettit - 1 ring, 2 mvps ( 1 for 4 in finals )
nash - 0 rings, 2 mvps ( 0 finals )
rose - 0 rings, 1 mvp ( 0 finals )
iverson - 0 rings, 1 mvp ( 0 for 1 in finals )
karl - 0 rings, 1 mvp ( 0 for 3 in finals )
barkley - 0 rings, 1 mvp ( 0 for 1 in finals )
durant - 0 rings, 1 mvp ( 0 for 1 in finals )


its no surprise lebron ended up on this list

[coast2coast]

I think the better judging statistic is number of Finals MVPs won out of number of Finals that a player has won.

With .500 being the average statistic, it would help determine whether a player was a great player ( > .500 ), good player ( = .500 ) or role player ( < .500 ).

For example,

Jordan (6/6 - 1.000) - Great player for all titles

Duncan (3/5 - .600) - Greater player but closer to .500

Bryant (2/5 - .400) - role player for majority of titles

[kennethgriffin]

I think the better judging statistic is number of Finals MVPs won out of number of Finals that a player has won.

With .500 being the average statistic, it would help determine whether a player was a great player ( > .500 ), good player ( = .500 ) or role player ( < .500 ).

For example,

Jordan (6/6 - 1.000) - Great player for all titles

Duncan (3/5 - .600) - Greater player but closer to .500

Bryant (2/5 - .400) - role player for majority of titles


only problem is... kareem is the arguable GOAT with 2 fmvp's... and russell is another arguable GOAT with 0 fmvps


you cant punish 2 star lead teams like the 80s lakers and the kobe/shaq teams


jerry west deserves all the credit in the world for his title.. he didnt win fmvp


does 1 of larry birds titles not count? lol




kobes 2001 playoff run > tim duncans 2005 run... only duncan got a fmvp for those titles though


sorry. its about rings by mvps.

[Mr. Jabbar]

holy shit kenneth taking yet another huge dump on lestans chests :roll:

[kennethgriffin]

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who in their right mind would wanna be part of this collection as apposed to the alpha list

[NumberSix]

Jordan has 11 MVPs. 5 regular season, 6 finals.

Kobe has 3 MVPs. 1 regular season, 2 finals.

LeBron has 6 MVPs. 4 regular season, 2 finals.

[coast2coast]

only problem is... kareem is the arguable GOAT with 2 fmvp's... and russell is another arguable GOAT with 0 fmvps


That's a great point as the Final's MVP wasn't available until 1969 but I thought you'd be discussing the modern era player.

Let's reset using your criterion of titles and MVPs. The ideal ratio is 1.000 as you'd want it be a 1-1, Title-MVP showing a player was able to dominate the regular season as well as lead his team to the title.

Jordan (6/5 1.200) = great player. 6 titles and 5 MVPs. Almost able to capitalize every year.

Duncan ( 5/2 2.500 ) good player. Able to have season long dominance for close to half of title runs

Bryant ( 5/1 = 5.000 ) possible role player. too many titles without consistent impact throughout the entire season.

[kennethgriffin]

Jordan has 11 MVPs. 5 regular season, 6 finals.

Kobe has 3 MVPs. 1 regular season, 2 finals.

LeBron has 6 MVPs. 4 regular season, 2 finals.


nash has 2 mvps. 2 regular season, 0 finals

oscar has 1 mvp. 1 regular season, 0 finals

whos the better player





sorry bud. its about rings by mvps. and season mvps are worth less than winning a title with great playoff numbers


i guarantee nash would trade his 2 mvps in for 2 rings as a corner stone. even without fmvp

[kennethgriffin]

That's a great point as the Final's MVP wasn't available until 1969 but I thought you'd be discussing the modern era player.

Let's reset using your criterion of titles and MVPs. The ideal ratio is 1.000 as you'd want it be a 1-1, Title-MVP showing a player was able to dominate the regular season as well as lead his team to the title.

Jordan (6/5 1.200) = great player. 6 titles and 5 MVPs. Almost able to capitalize every year.

Duncan ( 5/2 2.500 ) good player. Able to have season long dominance for close to half of title runs

Bryant ( 5/1 = 5.000 ) possible role player. too many titles without consistent impact throughout the entire season.


how does that effect kareem?

[NumberSix]

nash has 2 mvps. 2 regular season, 0 finals

oscar has 1 mvp. 1 regular season, 0 finals

whos the better player





sorry bud. its about rings by mvps. and season mvps are worth less than winning a title with great playoff numbers


i guarantee nash would trade his 2 mvps in for 2 rings as a corner stone. even without fmvp
Kobe has NEVER won a ring as the MVP. LeBron has done it twice.

[catch24]

Damn actually a really good post. :applause:

About the list. Nash is the only MVP winner in NBA history to have never been in the finals. Is it his fault? The only answer I have for that is, the Mavs finally made it the finals once Nash was gone with arguably a worse team BUT against better competition. If he was truly making his team better wouldn't they at least have won the western conference at some point in time?

MVP for the most part is a popularity contest - where whatever the media's narrative is that year, they'll run with it.

[kennethgriffin]

Damn actually a really good post.

About the list. Nash is the only MVP winner in NBA history to have never been in the finals. Is it his fault? The only answer I have for that is, the Mavs finally made it the finals once Nash was gone with arguably a worse team BUT against better competition. If he was truly making his team better wouldn't they at least have won the western conference at some point in time?

MVP for the most part is a popularity contest where whatever the media's narrative is that year, they'll run with it.


rose too

[branslowski]

I think the better judging statistic is number of Finals MVPs won out of number of Finals that a player has won.

With .500 being the average statistic, it would help determine whether a player was a great player ( > .500 ), good player ( = .500 ) or role player ( < .500 ).

For example,

Jordan (6/6 - 1.000) - Great player for all titles

Duncan (3/5 - .600) - Greater player but closer to .500

Bryant (2/5 - .400) - role player for majority of titles

I'm starting to realize that you guys never watched Kobe's playoff runs during those Championships with Shaq...

[Ne 1]

Jordan has 11 MVPs. 5 regular season, 6 finals.

Kobe has 3 MVPs. 1 regular season, 2 finals.

LeBron has 6 MVPs. 4 regular season, 2 finals.

Bill Russell 5 regular season MVPs and approximately 7-10 Finals MVPs had the award existed during his tenure. :bowdown:

[catch24]

rose too

True, but I think Nash is worse because dude won b2b

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe has NEVER won a ring as the MVP. LeBron has done it twice.


you obviously didnt get the point


and lebrons 2012/2013 lockout/bailout rings are worth about as much as a fart in the wind

[NumberSix]

you obviously didnt get the point


and lebrons 2012/2013 lockout/bailout rings are worth about as much as a fart in the wind
Lockout rings are worth double. Everybody knows that.

[Ne 1]

MVP for the most part is a popularity contest - where whatever the media's narrative is that year, they'll run with it.

Best example of this is 2001. Shaq had a much bigger impact at both ends of the court and the Lakers won as many games as the 76ers in a MUCH tougher conference and Shaq was much better statistically, yet the more popular, flashy player Allen Iverson wins MVP over Shaq and even Duncan who led the Spurs to more wins than Iverson in a tougher conference and was elite at both ends of the court.

MVP is a subjective award voted on by sportswriters. I don't need a majority of media members to tell me how well someone played when I saw them myself. I'd say that I agree with the MVP selections more often than not, but I've also disagreed with too many for me to praise the award. Even if I, or anyone else agreed with 100% of the MVP selections it's still a subjective award.

[BlakFrankWhite]

Who on earth is gonna stop KD?

[catch24]

Best example of this is 2001. Shaq had a much bigger impact at both ends of the court and the Lakers won as many games as the 76ers in a MUCH tougher conference and Shaq was much better statistically, yet the more popular, flashy player Allen Iverson wins MVP over Shaq and even Duncan who led the Spurs to more wins than Iverson in a tougher conference and was elite at both ends of the court.

MVP is a subjective award voted on by sportswriters. I don't need a majority of media members to tell me how well someone played when I saw them myself. I'd say that I agree with the MVP selections more often than not, but I've also disagreed with too many for me to praise the award. Even if I, or anyone else agreed with 100% of the MVP selections it's still a subjective award.

:applause:

[Wade's Rings]

Damn actually a really good post. :applause:

About the list. Nash is the only MVP winner in NBA history to have never been in the finals. Is it his fault? The only answer I have for that is, the Mavs finally made it the finals once Nash was gone with arguably a worse team BUT against better competition. If he was truly making his team better wouldn't they at least have won the western conference at some point in time?

MVP for the most part is a popularity contest - where whatever the media's narrative is that year, they'll run with it.

Nash left Dallas in 2004. Phoenix then went from winning 29 games to 62 games. He also eliminated said Dallas team in the 2005 Playoffs while dropping 30 & 12.

You're only looking at Dallas, What has Phoenix done since Nash left?

[catch24]

Nash left Dallas in 2004. Phoenix then went from winning 29 games to 62 games. He also eliminated said Dallas team in the 2005 Playoffs while dropping 30 & 12.

You're only looking at Dallas, What has Phoenix done since Nash left?

In 2004, Amare was hurt for at least half the year along with Marbury and Penny. During the off-season they loaded up on shooters and versatile offensive players. So it wasn't just Nash.

Dude is a great player, and one of the greatest offensive players at his position, but his MVP's are overrated.

[Wade's Rings]

In 2004, Amare was hurt for at least half the year along with Marbury and Penny. During the off-season they loaded up on shooters and versatile offensive players. So it wasn't just Nash.

Dude is a great player, and one of the greatest offensive players at his position, but his MVP's are overrated.

He did carry them in 2006 when Amare got hurt.

[Kvnzhangyay]

you obviously didnt get the point


and lebrons 2012/2013 lockout/bailout rings are worth about as much as a fart in the wind

The value on those rings are worth more than your career earnings :roll:

[kennethgriffin]

The value on those rings are worth more than your career earnings :roll:

well the historical value of those rings are insignificant due to the asterisks

their only value would be the weight in gold and diamonds. which is probably close to 10k for each

thats not allot of money

[LikeABosh]

"1 MVP, 1 title>4 MVPs, 2 titles"- KennethGriffin, Insidehoops retard.

[kennethgriffin]

"1 MVP, 1 title>4 MVPs, 2 titles"- KennethGriffin, Insidehoops retard.


i didnt say that

i'm saying 4 titles and 1 mvp is better than 1 title and 4 mvps


dumb f*ck
:roll: