lebron is already the greatest of all time.

[riseagainst]

he is averaging 42-12-9 in the finals so far. MJ can't even put up these numbers.

:bowdown:

[Ne 1]

2/12 in the 4th and OT :facepalm

[jayfan]

After his 4th quarter last night, I'm not even sure he's a HOF'er.




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[Done_And_Done]

Nah...

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Nope.

[T_L_P]

In a 6 game Finals series (93): 41/9/6/2/.558 TS%

LeBron after two games: 42/12/9/.492 TS%

Let's see what Bron's statline looks like at the end of this Finals. I can almost guarantee it won't beat MJ's.

[Velocirap31]

I like Lebron, but no

[SexSymbol]

In a 6 game Finals series (93): 41/9/6/2/.558 TS%

LeBron after two games: 42/12/9/.492 TS%

Let's see what Bron's statline looks like at the end of this Finals. I can almost guarantee it won't beat MJ's.
destroyed.
Not to mention MJ actually was defender well and hard, bron is left 1x1 going to the hoop and wide open on his long range shots. Inflated stats

[plowking]

In a 6 game Finals series (93): 41/9/6/2/.558 TS%

LeBron after two games: 42/12/9/.492 TS%

Let's see what Bron's statline looks like at the end of this Finals. I can almost guarantee it won't beat MJ's.

What was the pace in that finals series?

I can almost guarantee that they were putting up at least 10ppg more than the Cavs.

[plowking]

destroyed.
Not to mention MJ actually was defender well and hard, bron is left 1x1 going to the hoop and wide open on his long range shots. Inflated stats

You probably weren't even alive in 93 yet you want to bullshit us as if you knew the defensive schemes they were running against Jordan. :oldlol:

I'd guess you couldn't even name the opponent without a google search. :oldlol:

[riseagainst]

guys you gotta remember. GS is the GOAT team. IT's a far better team than anything MJ faced in the finals, or maybe even the playoffs when he started winning.

[Kingwillball]

Huge fan but still has work to do including winning these finals. That would lock him into top 5.

[3ball]

Huge fan but still has work to do including winning these finals. That would lock him into top 5.
the efficiency has to be factored in.. he simply can't maintain his efficiency at that volume.

it's better than NOT having the volume, so he should keep shooting despite the inefficiency, but clearly, if he was shooting 50%, the Cavs would be sweeping this series easily... Blowing the Warriors away actually.

[pastis]

i think that lebron is clearly better than hakeem, kobe, wilt, russel, magic and even bird.

[3ball]

i think that lebron is clearly better than hakeem, kobe, wilt, russel, magic and even bird.
misinformation itt

[3ball]

What was the pace in that finals series (1993 Finals)?

(it must have been faster)


Wrong as always.. :oldlol:

Pace was 89 in this BOTH the 1993 Finals and this year's Finals.

Bulls scored more points because MJ shot 51% instead of Lebron's 41%.

MJ shot better against 5-defender strongsides (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11128077&postcount=21), than Lebron does against 1-defender strongsides (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=378398).
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[riseagainst]

Wrong as always.. :oldlol:

Pace was 89 in this BOTH the 1993 Finals and this year's Finals.

Bulls scored more points because MJ shot 51% instead of Lebron's 41%.

MJ shot better against 5-defender strongsides (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11128077&postcount=21), than Lebron does against 1-defender strongsides (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=377570)..

lebron may be an inferior scorer than MJ, but he does everything else much much better. His rebounding, defense, and playmaking more than makes up for his lesser scoring abilities.

[TheMan]

You probably weren't even alive in 93 yet you want to bullshit us as if you knew the defensive schemes they were running against Jordan. :oldlol:

I'd guess you couldn't even name the opponent without a google search. :oldlol:
Insecure much?

LeBron is an all time great but MJ is the GOAT.

Accept it and move on

[3ball]

MJ can't even put up these numbers.


MJ's numbers were better because of efficiency.. Whereas Lebron's lack of shooting ability and weaker repertoire prevents him from being EFFICIENT at that high volume - that's why this series is so close... Like, imagine if Lebron was shooting 51% in this series like MJ did in 1993.

And remember, MJ achieved his higher efficiency WITHOUT spacing to reduce strongside defenders - without weakside spacing, MJ faced 5-defender strongsides (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11128077&postcount=21) routinely.. Obviously, MJ would have even higher efficiency versus today's weakside spacing and resulting 1-defender strongsides (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=377570), so he would perform better than Lebron is - the Cavs would be up 2-0 and about to sweep at home.

Also, today's spacing + all-time great > any strategy.. Today's spacing would allow ANY all-time great to dominate the same way - Lebron's simply lucky that he happens to be the only all-time great playing in today's spacing era (while in his prime).
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[NBASTATMAN]

he is averaging 42-12-9 in the finals so far. MJ can't even put up these numbers.

:bowdown:



:roll: :oldlol: :banana: :no:

[Solefade]

it's ironic how MJ, magic, bird, etc. they were judged and measured when they were on their best teams, lebron is currently getting measured by what he's doing on his worst team

[3ball]

MJ can't even put up these numbers.
Lebron's efficiency is horrible - he can't undertake a high volume like MJ and still shoot a good percentage.

If Lebron was shooting 51% like MJ did in 1993 Finals, this Cavs team would be up 2-0 and about to sweep at home.

Of course, MJ had superior efficiency despite facing 5-defender strongsides (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11128077&postcount=21), while Lebron struggles to shoot 40% against 1-defender strongsides (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=378398)..
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[SexSymbol]

lebron may be an inferior scorer than MJ, but he does everything else much much better. His rebounding, defense, and playmaking more than makes up for his lesser scoring abilities.
MJ is a better defender and a similar rebounder.

[Foster5k]

lebron is already the greatest of all time.
That moment you realized you said one the dumbest things in ISH history.

[Real14]

http://rs1096.pbsrc.com/albums/g322/Sugarsandrainbows/GIFs/mj-laughing.gif~c200

[34-24 Footwork]

Thank gawd LeBron isn't playing the way his f@ggot fans have been approving of for years. **** a Fg%. Get that W. This shit is entertaining to see him play like a professional. No cherry pickin, floppin on any of the other shit that his main fan base likes. He's starting to appeal to REAL bball fans for a change.

[NBASTATMAN]

Lebron's efficiency is horrible - he can't undertake a high volume like MJ and still shoot a good percentage.

If Lebron was shooting 51% like MJ did in 1993 Finals, this Cavs team would be up 2-0 and about to sweep at home.

Of course, MJ had superior efficiency despite facing 5-defender strongsides (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11128077&postcount=21), while Lebron struggles to shoot 40% against 1-defender strongsides (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=378398)..
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For the record I think Mj is better by a good margin but you have to GIVE LEBRON CREDIT..

The numbers he is putting up with the guys he is playing with are incredible... INCREDIBLE.. Its one thing to do it in the regular season but he is doing this thru out the playoffs.. Yes his shooting hasnt been good but no other player on his team can even get him the ball down low.. He has to do everything... Delly had 6 turnovers last night and cannot be trusted with the ball in his hands... Mj had Pip get him the ball with ample time on the shot clock.. Lebron is taking the ball from 84 ft and initiating the offense without any help... INCREDIBLE...


Lebron can't even finish at the basket anymore.. The guy is doing it with much less athleticism than he once had...

[TheMan]

Thank gawd LeBron isn't playing the way his f@ggot fans have been approving of for years. **** a Fg%. Get that W. This shit is entertaining to see him play like a professional. No cherry pickin, floppin on any of the other shit that his main fan base likes. He's starting to appeal to REAL bball fans for a change.
I agree, his hardcore fans are watching him go into Kobe mode, much to their horror :oldlol:

Bran stans be like b-b-but his FG%???
Real hoops fans be like, fvck that, can't score if you don't shoot :applause:

[oh the horror]

guys you gotta remember. GS is the GOAT team. IT's a far better team than anything MJ faced in the finals, or maybe even the playoffs when he started winning.



The goat team with zero titles. Lol okay junior :oldlol:

[Straight_Ballin]

Insecure much?

LeBron is an all time great but MJ is the GOAT.

Accept it and move on

This. Kids need to quit throwing shit at the wall and hope that it sticks.

[tpols]

Cavs are winning because of their defense.. and if you look at the metrics bron hasn't been close to their best defender in the series so far.

Bron is getting stats because of his all time great ball security being the sole ball handler.. idk how he hasn't exhausted yet.. I guess the standing still jab stepping and whatnot for 15-20 seconds a play is resting him up a bit though.. this really is the perfect system for lebron ball. Hold, rest, attack at last second and everyone crash the boards. That's literally their whole offense over and over and over.... :sleeping

[riseagainst]

lol @ kobe stans getting mad.
Lebron > kobe. Deal wit it.
:pimp:

[Relinquish]

destroyed.
Not to mention MJ actually was defender well and hard, bron is left 1x1 going to the hoop and wide open on his long range shots. Inflated stats

Stop acting like you were alive to witness the '93 finals. You weren't even born yet. :facepalm

[3ball]

Cavs are winning because of their defense.. and if you look at the metrics bron hasn't been close to their best defender in the series so far.

this really is the perfect system for lebron ball. Hold, rest, attack at last second and everyone crash the boards. That's literally their whole offense over and over and over.... :sleeping


Indeed.. :applause:

And Lebron's efficiency is horrible - he can't undertake a high volume like MJ and still shoot a good percentage.

If Lebron was shooting 51% like MJ in the 1993 Finals, this Cavs team would be up 2-0 and about to sweep at home.

Of course, MJ had superior efficiency despite facing 5-defender strongsides (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11128077&postcount=21), while Lebron struggles to shoot 40% against 1-defender strongsides (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=378398)..

Also, today's spacing + all-time great > any strategy.. Today's spacing would allow ANY all-time great to dominate the same way - Lebron's simply lucky that he happens to be the only all-time great playing in today's spacing era (while in his prime).

[Cold soul]

Not the greatest but one of all time greats top 10. I love Lebron play this far in Finals aggressive showing ton of heart and guts respect from a hater of his.

[kamil]

2/12 in the 4th and OT :facepalm

'clutch'

[DFish24]

Definitely the greatest and getting role players FMVP's:applause: