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3ball
05-31-2015, 10:43 AM
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Today: Every team's 3-point shooting and spacing strategy uses weakside floor-spreaders to reduce # of strongside defenders:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/5-25-2015/7mUjI9.gif




Previous eras: No weakside floor-spreaders to draw defenders away resulting in more defenders on strongside (usually all 5):


http://www.gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/372331790f2b699680f68849fe3dee07.gif

http://www.gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/ebf928d9aec8d9349ef10cda4c3d8a56.gif


It's clear as day - today's player never faces strongsides with more than 1 or 2 defenders, due to weakside floor-spreaders that lure defenders away.. This actually necessitates the flooding of defenders BACK TO the strongside, so the strongside can have more than just 1 or 2 defenders.. But certainly, if there were no weakside floor-spreaders drawing defenders away, defenders would never leave the strongside to begin with, thus eliminating the need for flooding.. Indeed - today's strongside flood is only necessary BECAUSE of spacing/weakside-floor-spreaders.

Here's a thread with GIFs showing how Lebron usually faced only 1 defender on strongside (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=377570) in the Atlanta series - this is standard in today's game because every team's 3-point shooting and spacing strategy uses weakside floor-spreaders to draw defenders away from strongside.

Otoh, these floor-spreaders didn't exist in previous eras, so defenders weren't lured away - defenders just remained on the strongside, which meant players faced strongsides that were already flooded with all 5 defenders (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11128077&postcount=21).. The difference is night and day - just a completely different game altogether.

In addition to the porous strongside defense caused by weakside floor-spreaders, today's spacing provides wider lanes and more time/room for players to operate.. Spacing also combines with the bans on paint-camping and hand-checking to "open up the game" for perimeter players, as the league intended (http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/04/09/stujackson/index.html).

Trollsmasher
05-31-2015, 10:45 AM
LeBron - forced into a contested jumper

MJ - an open jumpshot and an open dunk

Bodhi
05-31-2015, 12:49 PM
I think what's most startling about those gifs is the number of slow white players that Jordan faced. The league is clearly faster now. Just imagine the kind of numbers Leron would put up against significantly less athletic players

DonDadda59
05-31-2015, 12:59 PM
I think what's most startling about those gifs is the number of slow white players that Jordan faced. The league is clearly faster now. Just imagine the kind of numbers Leron would put up against significantly less athletic players

The league was easily more athletic from top to bottom in the 90s than it is now. Easily.

The league now is much more Euro-centric (not just in terms of personnel, but also style of play, ie more jump shot oriented).

Just look at who won MVP this season... athletic freak :lol

3ball
05-31-2015, 01:03 PM
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In the picture below, weakside floor-spreaders have drawn defenders away from the strongside.. If Noah doesn't leave #20 Mosgov and flood to the strongside, the strongside will only have 2 defenders on it.. This demonstrates how spacing necessitates flooding - defenders must flood BACK to the strongside (Noah), only because they were originally drawn away by floor-spreaders on the weakside (Mosgov)


http://i61.tinypic.com/2z7mnvm.png



Otoh, previous eras didn't have weakside floor-spreaders drawing defenders away from the strongside, so the strongside was usually ALREADY FLOODED with all 5 defenders, as seen below:


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/54cd4db17a9330ca58b8e33a0b6f9b2f.gif


Without 3-point shooting, previous eras didn't have spacing or weakside floor-spreaders to draw defenders away from the strongside, so players faced more defenders on the strongside than today's game.. In today's game, weakside spacing ensures a more porous distribution of strongside defenders that prevents today's players from ever having to face a strongside with all 5 defenders on it (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11128077&postcount=21).

Accordingly, the stats of today's players should be downgraded appropriately, particularly the paint and at-rim efficiencies that benefited from the porous strongside defense.. It should also be noted that the porous spacing also allows today's players to take longer with decisions, while getting away with a weaker, less sophisticated repertoire and isolation ability (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=375397).
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3ball
05-31-2015, 01:03 PM
slow white players that Jordan faced



Every SG and SF who was All-Defensive Team while guarding Lebron

Shawn Marion
Andre Igoudala
Kobe Bryant (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=365450)
Kawhi Leonard
Gerald Wallace
Bruce Bowen
Tayshaun Prince
Andrei Kirelinko
Jimmy Butler
Luol Deng
Paul George
Ron Artest (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV52IrBoj90)
Thabo Sefalosha
Shane Battier (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10924107&postcount=24)
Tony Allen
Raja Bell (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3IQKeenIKw&t=8m51s)
Dwayne Wade



Every SG and SF who was All-Defensive Team while guarding MJ

Dennis Rodman (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359858)
Michael Cooper (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=376404)
Derrick McKey (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10536861&postcount=264)
Ronaldo Blackman
Alvin Robertson
Sidney Moncrief
Eddie Jones
John Starks
Doug Christie (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xca8mjSzjIo&t=0m28s)
Anthony Mason
Clifford Robinson
Nate McMillan
Dan Majerle
Latrell Sprewell (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvquD3ktNbQ)
Joe Dumars
Dennis Johnson
Bobby Phills
Paul Pressey
Rodney McCray
Shawn Marion (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd9ayPlqCMg)
Kevin Garnett (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=352753)***



MJ's Best Two-Way Opponents:

Clyde Drexler (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10695321&postcount=8)
Dominique Wilkins (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10744903&postcount=25)
Kobe Bryant (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=365450)
Penny Hardaway (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10692264&postcount=24)
Grant Hill (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=10667322#post10667322)
Ron Harper
Reggie Lewis (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=373989)
Ray Allen (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCOJQOMEJ4Y)
Sean Elliot
Michael Finley
Kendall Gill (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10744186&postcount=18)
Richard Dumas (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10692400&postcount=30)
Nick Anderson
Jerry Stackhouse


***You'll notice that I included a prime Garnett in MJ's list because he and MJ both played SF in 2002 - in their first meeting when MJ was a Wizard, they were matched up SF vs. SF for the entire game.. MJ scored 35 on Garnett in every way imaginable from the opening tip - at the 4:00 mark, Jordan scores on Garnett for 5 consecutive possessions, with the announcers getting more excited each time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=embqhggoep4

Lebron was never guarded by a prime Garnett.. I doubt he would have the quickness to make it a huge mismatch like MJ did.. After all, guys like Boris Diaw, Gordon Hayward fare well against Lebron defensively.
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3ball
05-31-2015, 01:09 PM
slow white players that Jordan faced


In addition to the plethora of athletic defenders MJ faced (as listed in previous post), today's league is flooded with Euros, significantly diluting the athleticism of the NBA.

Also, NBA players were materially taller in the 80's, which was the tallest NBA players have ever been:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_league_average_height,_weight,_age_and_playing _experience
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Hey Yo
05-31-2015, 02:36 PM
http://i61.tinypic.com/2z7mnvm.png

Noah and Gasol doing some major paint camping while Dunleavy ready to run to the paint also for help on LeBron.

DonDadda59
05-31-2015, 02:40 PM
http://i61.tinypic.com/2z7mnvm.png

Noah and Gasol doing some major paint camping while Dunleavy ready to run to the paint also for help on LeBron.

2 White guys (one of them an all NBA Euro) and 1 half White guy (former DPOY and First team All NBA)... 0 athleticism. :whatever: