Who would you start your Team with: Wade, Kobe or Iverson?

[HOoopCityJones]

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[ClipperRevival]

Kobe
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Iverson

[kurple]

current rules?

Iverson, easily


Look at the way Harden is dominating

[kurple]

iversons last few years was a tragedy, and its ruined the way most view him and his impact


dude was a straight up warriors,, unlike any stars today. And was more skilled with the ball in his hands than most. He wasnt a great shooter, but he was quicker than Westbrook, Rose and Wall

[ArbitraryWater]

current rules?

Iverson, easily


Look at the way Harden is dominating

This is a joke, right? Lmao

Iverson under "current rules" (like defenses were better in 2006 lmao) wouldn't touch Wade/Kobe... hell, he didn't back then.

[JonatanRey]

The one who could play basketball after 30.

[kurple]

This is a joke, right? Lmao

Iverson under "current rules" (like defenses were better in 2006 lmao) wouldn't touch Wade/Kobe... hell, he didn't back then.
are you really so ignorant that you dont think handchecking matter?

he shot 45% the three following seasons. by then he was way past his prime

[ralph_i_el]

Wade

[ArbitraryWater]

are you really so ignorant that you dont think handchecking matter?

he shot 45% the three following seasons. by then he was way past his prime

handchecking was out of place in 2006... Iverson's play boosted, and Kobe under handchecking rules was still > AI, both he and Wade are literally better at every single aspect of basketball.

[choppermagic]

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Iverson


I can't see me enjoying building a team around Iverson's style of play. It would drive me nuts. No knock to his talent, but for personal taste as a coach or GM, it would be frustrating.

[ShawkFactory]

Kobe.

Wade was injury prone and Iverson was...Iverson.

[KiiiiNG]

are you really so ignorant that you dont think handchecking matter?

he shot 45% the three following seasons. by then he was way past his prime
call people ignorant while you take iverson over wade or kobe

see how it works out for you

[RRR3]

Edit the thread title to include T-Mac so I can be a biased stan and pick him, please.

[PJR]

Wade, easily. Selfless team player who will take on any role to win. No complaints. No trade demands. Can't say that about the other two individuals.

[Mass Debator]

Short run (athletic peak): Wade
Long run: Kobe

I wouldn't mind Iverson too though.

[Wade's Rings]

Obviously I would go with Wade.

[lilteapot]

Kobe

[Charlie Sheen]

Wade, easily. Selfless team player who will take on any role to win. No complaints. No trade demands. Can't say that about the other two individuals.

I really want to pick Kobe here, but the bold seals it for Wade. If it's my team? I don't think I can handle young Kobe. Heck, even Phil Jackson said he reached his breaking point with Kobe. It worked out to the tune of 5 titles, but that was in a perfect world for his early career with Shaq, Phil, Horry...

Wade's got his own warts. Most especially concerns over his durability, but I'll take my chances with that.

[TheMarkMadsen]

lol what

[HOoopCityJones]

Lmao@ not Kobe because of Attitude. Wade's only seen as a Team player because he was willing to stack the deck and give away the keys of his castle to a ni99a that left three years later. That's not a Team player, they call that thirst.


Ask Phil who he'd take over Kobe or Wade. :oldlol:

[ImKobe]

Wade = limited longetivity
Iverson = limited mental capacity
Kobe = god

I'm going with god.

Kobe's going to bring in the most money for my team AND he will win the most rings/games.

[red1]

I'll go with the best player and take Kobe second and AI third.

[SugarHill]

Kobe

[imdaman99]

Kobe is criminally underrated on here by posters that hate him lol

[ShawkFactory]

Kobe is criminally underrated on here by posters that hate him lol
Not really. His Stans are annoying, so people make threads like this to annoy them back. Same thing happens with Bran...

Peak Wade = Kobe but that's really it.

[HOoopCityJones]

Not really. His Stans are annoying, so people make threads like this to annoy them back. Same thing happens with Bran...

Peak Wade = Kobe but that's really it.

Disagree, Wade could never put up the numbers Kobe was putting up against Teams in 06-07.

His body would decline and force him to retire by season's end.

[Prometheus]

This is honestly a ridiculous question.

Anyone who doesn't pick Kobe is just biased or ignorant. He's dramatically better than any modern-era shooting guard not named Michael Jordan.

[PJR]

Disagree, Wade could never put up the numbers Kobe was putting up against Teams in 06-07.

His body would decline and force him to retire by season's end.

Yes, because Wade never dropped 30-7-5 along with 2 steals and block a game on 49% shooting for an entire season.

[ShawkFactory]

Disagree, Wade could never put up the numbers Kobe was putting up against Teams in 06-07.

His body would decline and force him to retire by season's end.
Maybe he wouldn't reach the bulk scoring outputs but Wade at his best puts just as much pressure on a defense (and even more on an opposing offense) as Kobe did.

He was more relentless attacking the basket, would get opponent in foul trouble, and was a better playmaker than Kobe was.

[Wade's Rings]

Lmao@ not Kobe because of Attitude. Wade's only seen as a Team player because he was willing to stack the deck and give away the keys of his castle to a ni99a that left three years later. That's not a Team player, they call that thirst.


Ask Phil who he'd take over Kobe or Wade. :oldlol:


Wade said he didn't know Lebron was coming to Miami and was shocked by it. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/dwyane-wade-didn-t-feel-need-to-sell-lebron-james-on-staying-with-heat-024336183.html

He gave up the team IMO because of his Knees starting to give out. He says Lebron being the leader would be best but I feel as if it was because his knees giving out he couldn't try to be the alpha.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Wade said he didn't know Lebron was coming to Miami and was shocked by it. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/dwyane-wade-didn-t-feel-need-to-sell-lebron-james-on-staying-with-heat-024336183.html

He gave up the team IMO because of his Knees starting to give out. He says Lebron being the leader would be best but I feel as if it was because his knees giving out he couldn't try to be the alpha.

:roll: :roll:

if you believe that i've got a bridge to sell you

[Wade's Rings]

Disagree, Wade could never put up the numbers Kobe was putting up against Teams in 06-07.

His body would decline and force him to retire by season's end.

Wade had an equal if not more of a load to carry in 2008-2009.

He dropped 30/5/8/2/1/shooting 49%. He was healthy for the next 2 Years after that as well.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Wade had an equal if not more of a load to carry in 2008-2009.

He dropped 30/5/8/2/1/shooting 49%. He was healthy for the next 2 Years after that as well.

cool, Kobe did that 6 years prior, and then again multiple times in the playoffs during championship runs

has a 3 year run where he made the finals every year averaging 30/6/6

has a year where he put up 35/5/5

:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[HOoopCityJones]

Like I said, the numbers Kobe put up against Teams in 06-07 Wade could never do. Like out scoring the entire Mavs Team who went to the Finals that year, where Wade had to beat them from the FT line.

And he had the worse Team.

[Wade's Rings]

:roll: :roll:

if you believe that i've got a bridge to sell you

They had a live reaction of Wade when Lebron joined Miami and he seemed shocked. I'm sure Wade didn't know and Even if it's not true what was Wade suppose to say to Bron? "Go on your own squad"?

[HOoopCityJones]

Wade also pretends his infamous years dislocating shoulders, kicking ni99as in the nuts and breaking noses weren't intentional either.

[Wade's Rings]

Like I said, the numbers Kobe put up against Teams in 06-07 Wade could never do. Like out scoring the entire Mavs Team who went to the Finals that year, where Wade had to beat them from the FT line.

And he had the worse Team.

You're talking about 2005-2006 not 2006-2007.

Seriously bring up Free Throws? Kobe shot 25 Free Throws through the 1st 3 Quarters of that Game when he outscored Dallas. Kobe's also had a series averaging 16 Free Throws per Game vs Utah in 2008. He also averaged 15 Free Throws vs the Kings IIRC 2001.

I'm not here to bash Kobe, I would pick Wade. If you read my name it's obvious that would be my choice.

[TheMarkMadsen]

They had a live reaction of Wade when Lebron joined Miami and he seemed shocked. I'm sure Wade didn't know and Even if it's not true what was Wade suppose to say to Bron? "Go on your own squad"?

dude just stop, you are either naive as fck or dumb as fck if you believe Wade & Lebron didn't know what they were doing

[SugarHill]

Disagree, Wade could never put up the numbers Kobe was putting up against Teams in 06-07.

His body would decline and force him to retire by season's end.

Peak Wade is as good as Kobe ever was. The deciding factor is Kobe's longevity, marketability, etc.

[Wade's Rings]

Wade also pretends his infamous years dislocating shoulders, kicking ni99as in the nuts and breaking noses weren't intentional either.

The Nerves for your Shoulders are in your legs, he wasn't faking it.

[HOoopCityJones]

Peak Wade is as good as Kobe ever was. The deciding factor is Kobe's longevity, marketability, etc.

I disagree , but it's cool if you think so moe.

[HOoopCityJones]

The Nerves for your Shoulders are in your legs, he wasn't faking it.

I meant what he did to Rondo.

[TheMarkMadsen]

I disagree , but it's cool if you think so moe.

at the end of the day they have one year with a first round loss to argue with

meanwhile you have 13 straight years with 7 finals appearances and 5 rings to argue with

[HOoopCityJones]

at the end of the day they have one year with a first round loss to argue with

meanwhile you have 13 straight years with 7 finals appearances and 5 rings to argue with

Wade can get to the cup at a better clip than Kobe, that's about it though.

[ImKobe]

Yes, because Wade never dropped 30-7-5 along with 2 steals and block a game on 49% shooting for an entire season.

Wade never averaged 30 pts/6.9 reb/5.9 ast/2.2 stl a game and he never shot over 32% from 3 despite never taking more than 3.5 a game.

[Wade's Rings]

cool, Kobe did that 6 years prior, and then again multiple times in the playoffs during championship runs

has a 3 year run where he made the finals every year averaging 30/6/6

has a year where he put up 35/5/5

:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

Hoopcity is saying that Wade couldn't match some of Kobe's specific Games throughout the 2005-2006 Season. Kobe has never matched those numbers directly and Wade also had DPOY worthy Defense.

@hoopcity, some of Wade's Games/Stats throughout that Year:
Averaged 38 points on 51% shooting against the Magic(#1 Defense).
33/5/8/2/1 shooting 51% through the last 3 Months of the Season.
37/6/11/3/1 over a stretch of 11 Games.
55/9/4 shooting 66%. 46/8/10/3/3. 48/6/12/4/3 shooting 71%.

The above has never matched up to anything Kobe has ever done?

[ImKobe]

Wade can get to the cup at a better clip than Kobe, that's about it though.


let's see this statistically

peak ppg - Kobe
peak rpg - Kobe
peak apg - Wade
peak spg - Kobe
peak bpg - Wade
highest TOV - Wade
fg% - Wade
3pt% Kobe
ft% - Kobe
highest single season WS - Kobe
highest single season PER - Wade
rings - Kobe
FMVP - Kobe
MVP - Kobe

best Playoff run

Wade: 28/6/6 on 50/38/81 shooting in 06 .240 WS/48 age 24
Kobe: 29/7/6 on 47/32/82 shooting in 01, .260 WS/48 age 22

[TheMarkMadsen]

Hoopcity is saying that Wade couldn't match some of Kobe's specific Games throughout the 2005-2006 Season. Kobe has never matched those numbers directly and Wade also had DPOY worthy Defense.

@hoopcity, some of Wade's Games/Stats throughout that Year:
Averaged 38 points on 51% shooting against the Magic(#1 Defense).
33/5/8/2/1 shooting 51% through the last 3 Months of the Season.
37/6/11/3/1 over a stretch of 11 Games.
55/9/4 shooting 66%. 46/8/10/3/3. 48/6/12/4/3 shooting 71%.

The above has never matched up to anything Kobe has ever done?

well he's not wrong??

you do remember that was the season that Kobe dropped 81, 62 in 3 quarters

during that 2 year stretch Kobe had forty five 40+ point games..

Wade for his career has 34..

it's safe to say that Kobe was doing stuff scoring wise during that 2 year stretch that Wade was never capable of.. which isn't really a knock on Wade considering that the only 2 people in NBA history with comparable scoring streaks to Kobe are MJ and Wilt

[ShawkFactory]

Wade never averaged 30 pts/6.9 reb/5.9 ast/2.2 stl a game and he never shot over 32% from 3 despite never taking more than 3.5 a game.
Yes, Wade has never averaged exactly those numbers..

[PJR]

Meh. I'll put this stretch of games up against anything Kobe has ever done

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j414/44448888/wade.jpg

But if you're a sucker for volume scoring, Kobe can be your guy. That's cool.

[TheMarkMadsen]

a 10 game regular season stretch >> b2b FMVP's on 30/6/6

- unbiased posters

[chazzy]

You would think if Wade was so much more of a dominant force in 09 than any version of Kobe he would at least lead his team to something better than the 10th worst offense in the league :lol just playing I know his cast sucked

[ShawkFactory]

Wade in 09 was as good of an all-around player as Kobe has ever been. AS GOOD. Somehow people are taking this simple statement to mean that Wade > Kobe for their careers or something.

He was in a similar situation as Kobe in 06, except his squad might have been even worse.

And that season he was every bit as good as Kobe in 2006, a time many people consider Kobe to be at his peak.

:confusedshrug:

[Optimus Prime]

Wrong numbers are wrong. I dun goofed. :facepalm

Still, the correct answer is, of course, Kobe Bryant. That's only obvious to people who were born/out of diapers before 2003/2010, however.

[Wade's Rings]

You would think if Wade was so much more of a dominant force in 09 than any version of Kobe he would at least lead his team to something better than the 10th worst offense in the league :lol just playing I know his cast sucked

The Heat were in 5th in Defense in 2010.:confusedshrug:

[ShawkFactory]

:wtf: with all these "Wade is selfless Kobe is selfish" lies? :facepalm

Time for the truth to shine once again!

Wade's career: 4.8 APG
Kobe's career: 5.6 APG

"Wade selfless"

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

The correct answer is, of course, Kobe Bryant. That's only obvious to people who were born/out of diapers before 2003/2010, however.
Both of those numbers are blatantly false.

[Wade's Rings]

:wtf: with all these "Wade is selfless Kobe is selfish" lies? :facepalm

Time for the truth to shine once again!

Wade's career: 4.8 APG
Kobe's career: 5.6 APG

"Wade selfless"

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

The correct answer is, of course, Kobe Bryant. That's only obvious to people who were born/out of diapers before 2003/2010, however.

:banghead: That's not what they mean

[Optimus Prime]

Whoops, that was for the 2014-2015 season. Last time I post after looking at the big numbers on the top of their player card. :facepalm

Kobe career: 4.8 APG
Wade career: 5.9 APG

My bad :facepalm

Still my point stands. 1.1 APG is only one assist per game and not that huge, especially since Kobe has played 1280 games and Wade 781, which is almost a 500 game disparity (which is over 6 seasons worth the NBA games).

[PJR]

:banghead: That's not what they mean

Lol.

[kennethgriffin]

Well kobe is top 5-7 all time. Wade is top 25-30 all time. Iverson is top 35-40 all time...


So....

[LemonMan]

Kobe then iverson then wade, to build a team around

[Wade's Rings]

a 10 game regular season stretch >> b2b FMVP's on 30/6/6

- unbiased posters

Wade had 28/6/6/2/1 shooting 50% against Elite Defenses. I don't have the numbers but his 2011 Run has to be up there as well.

Why are you bringing up the Playoffs? Hoopcity is talking about the regular season strictly, which is why we're bringing up a regular season stretch.

[Optimus Prime]

Well kobe is top 5-7 all time. Wade is top 25-30 all time. Iverson is top 35-40 all time...


So....

:durantunimpressed:

Wade is definitely higher, probably Iverson too. What Iverson accomplished being 6 feet tall (and that's generous) without help most of the time is impressive.

But then again, practice man.

:kobe:

[kennethgriffin]

:durantunimpressed:

Wade is definitely higher, probably Iverson too. What Iverson accomplished being 6 feet tall (and that's generous) without help most of the time is impressive.

But then again, practice man.

:kobe:


Ive accomplished as much as iversons accomplished in terms of actual nba accomplishments achieved on the field of play and not in a voting booth

[Optimus Prime]

Ive accomplished as much as iversons accomplished in terms of actual nba accomplishments achieved on the field of play and not in a voting booth

He pretty much single-handily beat probably the most dominant playoff team ever in that Kobe/Shaq Lakers team when nobody else could. He had basically no help around him when he was "the man". Go ahead, look at his rosters.

I don't particularly care for Iverson, but what the little dude was able to accomplish on the court against giants was pretty incredible. Plus, the NBA wasn't as perimeter friendly back then as it has been since LeBeta entered the league. Iverson was constantly beat up, but he still went out there and gave it his all every night.

:kobe:

[LemonMan]

He pretty much single-handily beat probably the most dominant playoff team ever in that Kobe/Shaq Lakers team when nobody else could. He had basically no help around him when he was "the man". Go ahead, look at his rosters.

I don't particularly care for Iverson, but what the little dude was able to accomplish on the court against giants was pretty incredible. Plus, the NBA wasn't as perimeter friendly back then as it has been since LeBeta entered the league. Iverson was constantly beat up, but he still went out there and gave it his all every night.

:kobe:
Pretty much this. Also people love to forget that sixers Lakers series he went super saiyan