Wilt Chamberlain shot blocking averages:

[CavaliersFTW]

Okay so I posted before, KU tracked Wilt's blocked shots even though the NCAA does not officially recognize them. 302 blocks in 48 games. Or 6.3 bpg. This in 40 minute games with no shot clock. Keep in mind all his other career stats (points, rebounds, assists) went up from his KU numbers once he entered the NBA due to the greater minutes on the floor and shot clocks. So one would assume his NBA blocks might be higher than 6.3 as well yes?

Well, based on NBAstats.net excel sheet, plus several additional games I had that they have not yet added, and a few corrections, I counted 109 NBA games (of random nature, playoff, reg season, etc) where Wilt Chamberlains blocked shot data was listed. I've been going through and double checking most of these numbers and while I've made a few corrections, most of their data seems on point when I cross reference with my own google-news-archive research so I thought I'd do a quick calculation. Some of these mention his blocks because they are incredible games with as much as 20+, some of these mention he only blocked as few as 1 shot so these aren't necessarily all his glorious games where they listed his block data. In those 109 games, I added up 976 blocks. Comes to an 8.95 bpg average. Take it for what it is. An average based on newspaper data (some game film of course but mostly newspapers). Plausible I guess, based on his KU data and how all his numbers sort of jumped in the NBA. But still, take it for what it is, incomplete data from sources that can never be 100% verified. It's worth pointing out though, it does sort of line up with the "career" figures Harvey Pollack estimated, and what Sonny Hill likes to mention.

6.3bpg KU - all 48 games, complete NCAA career avg

*EDIT - added more games:
8.813bpg NBA - 112 random games out of his total 1205 (9% of his career) from mostly newspaper sources and a few game films

By the way for those that have downloaded the Wilt Chamberlain spreadsheet from NBA stats, I disregarded all the "estimate" numbers. And as said, corrected a few, and also added a few others to come up with my 110 game sample size and 986 count.

[warriorfan]

Amazing stats but may need adjusting due to high pace and no 3 point line.

[Rose'sACL]

If we adjust due to pace and quality of players, then it would be about 1.9 blocks per game which is great given how much sex the guy used to have.

[CavaliersFTW]

Amazing stats but may need adjusting due to high pace and no 3 point line.

If we adjust due to pace and quality of players, then it would be about 1.9 blocks per game which is great given how much sex the guy used to have.
I know you guys are just trying to have a laugh but if I may offer a serious suggestion here. Everyone should make an effort to learn the history of the game if you feel you need more context when viewing a player like Wilt, or Oscar, or even Magic/Larry/MJ's numbers. Don't worry about the concept of "adjusting/ed" (completely imaginary) stats. That's seriously the laziest, and most inaccurate way to attempt to get a handle on a player. The best way, is to just learn about what other players were doing that also played in that period of time.

Simply because, especially the further back in time you go, the number of variables that would need taken into consideration change exponentially. There's probably hundreds of variables that you'll never acknowledge no matter how thorough you try to be coming up with some sort of formula to account for every big or small change in the game then to now. There are no shortcut adjustments to plug a players numbers into today's game. Just learn how the game was played then. It's more honest. And IMO easier.

[warriorfan]

Just learn how the game was played then. It's easier.



More shots with less spacing. More shot-blocking opportunities.

[CavaliersFTW]

More shots with less spacing. More shot-blocking opportunities.
And there's no formula for that. Nor is there a formula for less layups taken, due to a present shot blocker like Wilt, Thurmond, or Russell protecting a rim.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

So a mid-range heavy game? I haven't seen much of that era of basketball, my knowledge limited to whatever has been posted here but I don't remember the videos very well.

[CavaliersFTW]

So a mid-range heavy game? I haven't seen much of that era of basketball, my knowledge limited to whatever has been posted here but I don't remember the videos very well.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLk0ojkrQDIQ6CDdRDlaDnQ6iIRVg4twUN

Check out a game where I broke down lots of individual players to see how all the positions/roles were playing.

[Trollsmasher]

I have done the calculations and it adjusts roughly to 2 block per game in today's game

Thank me later:cheers:

[CavaliersFTW]

Since shot block data doesn't exist for other players and we don't have a frame of reference this is sort of a difficult number (if it is at all reflective of Wilt's actual career numbers) to understand. So for context I recall Harvey Pollack the statistician of that era claiming that Wilt blocked more shots than Russell on average. Now, this doesn't necessarily mean he was a better defensive player. Just that he had higher shot blocking numbers. Wilt, Nate Thurmond, and Bill Russell are cited as having the highest shot blocking averages in the 60's of any centers. As the early 70's came along after Russell retired it would be Wilt, followed by some mix of Nate Thurmond (when healthy) Elmore Smith and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Wilt's shot blocking numbers seemed to curve downwards towards the end of his career, in spite of becoming almost an exclusively defensive minded player. I'll have to double-check with the stat sheet tomorrow perhaps (getting late now) but I recall he was blocking something like 5.4bpg with a solid sample size his final season or two.

The first year blocks were officially recorded by the NBA (season after Wilt retired) these are the official numbers:

1. Elmore Smith ▪ LAL 4.9
2. Kareem* ▪ MIL 3.5
3. Bob McAdoo* ▪ BUF 3.3
4. Bob Lanier* ▪ DET 3.0
5. Elvin Hayes* ▪ CAP 3.0

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Do per-100 stats exist for that era? If not, is there any way to estimate? Just curious.

[3ball]

The lowest pace has ever been is about 90 (from 1996-1999 and again in the early 2000's).

In Wilt's prime, the pace was about 130.. So that's 44% higher than today's pace.

Pace adjusted, Wilt's 8.95 blocks would be 44% higher than 6.25.. So in today's game, Wilt would average 6.25 blocks, not counting 3-pointers.

Including 3-pointers, his gets about 4.5 - 5.5 blocks, which sounds just about right - I would basically take the league's leading shot blocker (say Ibaka, Dikembe, or whoever in any given year) and add like 30-50% more - seriously, how far physically superior is Wilt to Ibaka or Tyson Chandler or whoever?.. Vastly.

I don't even want to hear comparisons to Shaq - the two couldn't be more different physically - Wilt had more power and was FAR quicker and nimbler.. To me, he was built like Dwight Howard (with the bow-legs), but was far bigger and longer

[CavaliersFTW]

Do per-100 stats exist for that era? If not, is there any way to estimate? Just curious.
I don't believe in adjusted numbers per-anything will be of much help. There are many other differences in the game then to now that you will be overlooking if you start to fiddle with numbers. Just try and learn how the game was played then, plain and simple. Look up the numbers other players were getting. I know this won't work with shot blocking unfortunately since we don't have widespread shot blocking data of players of his era but it helps put his other numbers in a more honest context at least.

[3ball]

I don't believe in adjusted numbers per-anything will be of much help. There are many other differences in the game then to now that you will be overlooking if you start to fiddle with numbers. Just try and learn how the game was played then, plain and simple. Look up the numbers other players were getting. I know this won't work with shot blocking unfortunately since we don't have widespread shot blocking data of players of his era but it helps put his other numbers in a more honest context at least.
agreed.. i was just adjusting the numbers for the sake of posters who simply CAN'T understand the game.. because even if you adjust the numbers, Wilt still comes out far ahead, so it's like throwing them the red meat they seek.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

I don't believe in adjusted numbers per-anything will be of much help. There are many other differences in the game then to now that you will be overlooking if you start to fiddle with numbers. Just try and learn how the game was played then, plain and simple. Look up the numbers other players were getting. I know this won't work with shot blocking unfortunately since we don't have widespread shot blocking data of players of his era but it helps put his other numbers in a more honest context at least.

I was just curious, it wasn't intended as a shot.

Wilt is locked into my top-4 all-time as a tier-1 player.

[PhutureDynasty]

Love learning new stats/info about basketball eras before my time.

Repped.

[warriorfan]

agreed.. i was just adjusting the numbers for the sake of posters who simply CAN'T understand the game.. because even if you adjust the numbers, Wilt still comes out far ahead, so it's like throwing them the red meat they seek.



Yes, this is what I was getting at. Wilt's numbers look even better if full transparency is used.

[Asukal]

Wasn't goal tending legal back in that era? If so, his bpg isn't all too impressive considering the quality of shots the average player took back then. :confusedshrug:

[CavaliersFTW]

Wasn't goal tending legal back in that era? If so, his bpg isn't all too impressive considering the quality of shots the average player took back then. :confusedshrug:
https://youtu.be/PXLvZg_HEKg?t=1m51s
No it wasn't legal, it was the same goal tending as you know it today. Don't touch the ball on the way down or you'll give the other team some points, plain and simple.

Of related note, I recall reading newspapers that I'll have to turn up again, that said Russell and/or Wilt would get ____ blocks in a game or series as well as ___ goal tends. I don't recall the exact numbers or games/series mentioned off hand but something like 6 or 7 blocks for every 2 or 3 goal tends. Implying they'd go after everything. Perhaps sort of like the KG mentality of blocking shots after a foul/stoppage of game if an opponent shoots it just too not let the opponent see the ball go in the hoop. It was also mentioned they tended to intimidated/alter thrice as many shots as they actually blocked. I'll try and find that article tomorrow.

[Marchesk]

There is nobody like Wilt in the history of the game. Even though I have MJ as the goat, I would take a time traveled rookie Wilt over any player ever to start my franchise. The guy could just do things nobody in the history of the game did.

[3ball]

Yes, this is what I was getting at. Wilt's numbers look even better if full transparency is used.
oh i wasn't talking about you warriorfan.. not at all.. i know you know the game

[3ball]

There is nobody like Wilt in the history of the game. Even though I have MJ as the goat, I would take a time traveled rookie Wilt over any player ever to start my franchise. The guy could just do things nobody in the history of the game did.
:applause:

[LAZERUSS]

ThaRegul8r actually tabulated all of Wilt's block totals from his last season, and it came to 5.42 bpg. I have no reason to doubt those numbers, and I believe Psileas semi-verified it.

And I recall LaFrescobaldi quoting an article by the then commissioner of the NBA stating that they deliberately waited until Chamberlain retired before keeping an "official" stat. In any case, that is exactly what occurred. The NBA began officially tracking blocked shots in the 73-74 season.

We also KNOW of much of Wilt's post-season shot-blocking. For example, in his '72 Finals, he averaged 7.4 bpg (again, this was from ThaRegul8r's numbers.) And in the series before that, and against Kareem's Bucks, Chamberlain had a known 33 blocks in four games (including 15 against Kareem alone.) So, even if he blocked zero in the two other games, he would have averaged 6.5 bpg.

Perhaps the preeminent contributor in this department, is Julizaver. He found Wilt's KNOWN blocked shots in 80 playoff games (out of his 160 played)... 570...or 7.1 bpg. Hopefully he will pop in and confirm those numbers.

He cited an article in Wilt's last season, in which he blocked 49 shots against the Bulls in their seven game playoff series...ot an even 7.0 bpg. And Julizaver's research indicates that Wilt blocked 23 more shots against the Warriors in the first three games of the next series (the WCF's.)

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9307013&postcount=1

So, in Chamberlain's first ten playoff games in his last season, he blocked 72 shots...or 7.2 bpg.

How do we put context into those numbers? 3Ball mentioned pace. In Wilt's last season, and at age 36, and using ThaRegul8r's numbers (5.42 bpg), the estimated pac of the league was at 110.7. This past season it was at 93.9. That would reduce Wilt's average to 4.6 bpg. Of course Chamberlain was easily the most conditioned big man in the history of the game, and even into his last season he averaged 43.2 mpg, and then a staggering 47.1 mpg in his 17 playoff games. Reduce his mpg down to say 36 mpg, and he would have averaged 3.9 bpg in today's NBA. and playing DeAndre Jordan minutes.

BUT, keep in mind that this was a Wilt in his LAST season, and at 300+ lbs, and post-surgery.

More context. We KNOW that Kareem and Thurmond were two of the game's greatest shot-blockers from the Wilt-era. In the very first season that blocks were "officially" recorded, KAJ averaged 3.5 bpg, and an aging and declining Nate was at 2.9 bpg. Kareem would average 4.1 and 4.0 in two more seasons in the 70's. This was from a PRIME Kareem.

In any case, ThaRegul8r's numbers suggest that a Wilt, in his LAST season, would have been the second greatest season in NBA history, and just barely behind Mark Eaton's record of 5.56 bpg, which came in only 12 years after Wilt retired, and in the 84-85 season.


As for the Russell-Wilt debates. There is absolutely no question that Wilt was easily a greater shot-blocker. The overwhelming evidence that exists is clearly behind Wilt. I believe that Fpliii's research estimated Wilt with perhaps as much as 1000 more career blocks.

Here is what we do know, though: In their 143 career H2H meetings, Wilt had a known 224 blocks in known 25 games (9.0 bpg.) Russell had a known 88 blocks in 13 known games, or 6.8 bpg.


I have said it before, but Harvey Pollack, who is in the NBA HOF as a statisician, had Chamberlain with entire SEASONS of 10 bpg. Again, 3Ball mentioned pace. The highest pace in the Wilt-era came in his 61-62 season, and an estimated 126.2. Using Pollack's numbers (and this would be conservative), of 10.0 bpg...that would translate to 7.5 bpg. Wilt played a staggering 48.5 mpg that season, so reducing his playing time all the way down to 36 mpg, and his peak season would have translated to 5.6 bpg. Again, though, we don't know if Wilt's peak block season was in '62. If it occurred in, say, the 66-67 season, thee league estimated pace was at 121.6, and Wilt "only" played 45.5 mpg. Those numbers translate to 7.7 bpg in 45.5 mpg, and 6.1 bpg in 36 mpg.

[julizaver]

Perhaps the preeminent contributor in this department, is Julizaver. He found Wilt's KNOWN blocked shots in 80 playoff games (out of his 160 played)... 570...or 7.1 bpg. Hopefully he will pop in and confirm those numbers.

He cited an article in Wilt's last season, in which he blocked 49 shots against the Bulls in their seven game playoff series...ot an even 7.0 bpg. And Julizaver's research indicates that Wilt blocked 23 more shots against the Warriors in the first three games of the next series (the WCF's.)

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9307013&postcount=1



Need to make some checks - but my latest figure is 590 blocks in 81 games. More about the thread later.

[Psileas]

Need to make some checks - but my latest figure is 590 blocks in 81 games. More about the thread later.

I would be interested to know what figures you took into account for his 1965 playoff games, because there doesn't seem to exist a consensus regarding certain games (some sources credit him with very low numbers in certain games and others with "normal" ones)...

[sd3035]

http://images.christianpost.com/full/69967/dwight-howard-blocks-young-fan.gif

[CavaliersFTW]

I would be interested to know what figures you took into account for his 1965 playoff games, because there doesn't seem to exist a consensus regarding certain games (some sources credit him with very low numbers in certain games and others with "normal" ones)...
I personally used the smaller numbers. For example G5 EDSF Boston/Philly the excel sheet cited Wilt with 9 blocks but I've got newspapers that go pretty in depth for that same exact game that stated Russell out blocked him 12 to 2 and got 3 steals to Wilt's 0. The articles on google news archives all seem to report this same story, so that's what I went with (2) instead of the 9. Just to lean on the conservative side I went with lower numbers when I could in pretty much all the few instances where a number was being reported differently (for example if a game is reported as 8 blocks by one source, 9 by another, I went with the 8).

[dh144498]

that's great and all, but what are Wilt's playoff and finals points averages?

[ImKobe]

Wilt would average 3 blocks.....in the D-League in this era.

[julizaver]

I would be interested to know what figures you took into account for his 1965 playoff games, because there doesn't seem to exist a consensus regarding certain games (some sources credit him with very low numbers in certain games and others with "normal" ones)...

Here are the numbers I took into account:
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=267732

The sources for Game 1 and Game 6 shotblocking data is Philadelphia Inquirer as I remembered (we can ask fpiii for double check).

[CavaliersFTW]

Here are the numbers I took into account:
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=267732

The sources for Game 1 and Game 6 shotblocking data is Philadelphia Inquirer as I remembered (we can ask fpiii for double check).
I've found several games you guys have not added yet, I'll try and share them soon. Also found a game where Wilt "estimated" he had 17 blocks but the newspapers cite 7 (I personally would go with the 7 figure, as Wilt liked to boast and/or might have credited himself with altered+blocked shots)

[Nash]

adjusted for tiny white guys getting blocked

[julizaver]

I personally used the smaller numbers. For example G5 EDSF Boston/Philly the excel sheet cited Wilt with 9 blocks but I've got newspapers that go pretty in depth for that same exact game that stated Russell out blocked him 12 to 2 and got 3 steals to Wilt's 0. The articles on google news archives all seem to report this same story, so that's what I went with (2) instead of the 9. Just to lean on the conservative side I went with lower numbers when I could in pretty much all the few instances where a number was being reported differently (for example if a game is reported as 8 blocks by one source, 9 by another, I went with the 8).

There are some mistakes in the excel sheet - I don't know where this number 9 comes from, and I also took 2 blocks for Game 5.

[julizaver]

I've found several games you guys have not added yet, I'll try and share them soon. Also found a game where Wilt "estimated" he had 17 blocks but the newspapers cite 7 (I personally would go with the 7 figure, as Wilt liked to boast and/or might have credited himself with altered+blocked shots)

Please check that file:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1I9jddU8eNWrI8MMOPs_0l58WnjFNADvF4iIcu0Sfz7A/edit?pli=1#gid=0

If you find a new data about Wilt vs Russell I could add it.

[julizaver]

In my honest opinion based on articles read and all the info collected there is high probability that:

1) Wilt had more blocked shots and better averages than Russell, but it is not by huge margin. Russell himself claimed that in his last seasons he was more like averaging 4 bpg, but there are some game even in his last seasons where he blocked in double figures and a game of 14 blocks in his last post season vs Knicks (I think)

2) Wilt had at least several 20 + blocks games (the first account is from his last season game vs Packers in '62 season. Russell also had games of 20 +, I have found an article (I think from '58 season) about him blocked 20 or 25 (it was of bad quality).

3) Wilt blocked around 6.5-7 bpg in '72 season and 5.5 bpg in '73 season.

4) in 1967 Wilt averages could be even higher 9 or at least 8 bpg. Right after his move to Sixers in the middle of 1965 season there was increase of shot blocking data so we could conclude that Wilt concentrate more on defensive end as his decline in scoring suggest the same - 39 ppg prior to his move and 30 ppg after that. The obvious reason - better teammates.

5) it is impossible to determine what Wilt's career averages are (the same with Russell), as there is a lack of sufficient data for his Warriors days. So we could just estimate. I personally doubt that Wilt's career shot blocking averages are in double digits and my personal estimation is that Wilt is around 7 to 8 bpg for his career with season or two of double digits averages or very close to it. It would be interesting if H. Pollack revealed the data for Sixers home games if he still kepis it.

6) Although Nate himself claimed that he and Russell are the greatest shot blockers available numbers clearly indicate Wilt and Russell as such. Younger Nate probably was better shotblocker than Kareem, and he had a games with 14, 12, 3 x 9 vs Wilt's teams. Interestingly all of those numbers are prior to 1970 and after '69 post season I was not able to find any number for Nate vs Wilt's Lakers although we have far more available other data. For me this is a sign that after 1969 Nate although still very good in defense was not the shotblocker he used to be in his younger days. Probably he adjusted his game because of the multiple injuries he receive during his prime years.

[CavaliersFTW]

Please check that file:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1I9jddU8eNWrI8MMOPs_0l58WnjFNADvF4iIcu0Sfz7A/edit?pli=1#gid=0

If you find a new data about Wilt vs Russell I could add it.
If you PM me your email (if you don't mind sharing it) I could email you back my modified excel file. I basically for my own personal interest removed all the "estimates" and have been adding and/or modifying data to fit the newspaper articles or game films I've got.

[La Frescobaldi]

And there's no formula for that. Nor is there a formula for less layups taken, due to a present shot blocker like Wilt, Thurmond, or Russell protecting a rim.

Not only that but blown shots and layups too. Altered shots. Look at league-wide FG% and ask yourself why it increased pretty steadily when those guys got old / retired. Same guards, same game, but % went up. And you're talking about some great centers coming into the league in the '70s, Lanier, Elmore, Jabbar, Walton - just great great defense from these guys.

My friends and I all have clear, distinct memories of all-time greats like Earl Monroe, Walt Frazier, Hal Greer and even Oscar Robertson (who almost NEVER made a mistake on the court) traveling because they were driving to the hoop and looked over the wrong shoulder to see where those guys were. Flat spooked.

LeRoy Ellis was another Center that could block a lot of shots in certain games. When he was on he could really get after it.

But Russell and Chamberlain, those two specially, they would play some cat and mouse with guys. They would set a guy up, not really go after his shot, but then when they needed a stop they would really lower the boom and break a man's spirit at the same time.

[LAZERUSS]

In my honest opinion based on articles read and all the info collected there is high probability that:

1) Wilt had more blocked shots and better averages than Russell, but it is not by huge margin. Russell himself claimed that in his last seasons he was more like averaging 4 bpg, but there are some game even in his last seasons where he blocked in double figures and a game of 14 blocks in his last post season vs Knicks (I think)

2) Wilt had at least several 20 + blocks games (the first account is from his last season game vs Packers in '62 season. Russell also had games of 20 +, I have found an article (I think from '58 season) about him blocked 20 or 25 (it was of bad quality).

3) Wilt blocked around 6.5-7 bpg in '72 season and 5.5 bpg in '73 season.

4) in 1967 Wilt averages could be even higher 9 or at least 8 bpg. Right after his move to Sixers in the middle of 1965 season there was increase of shot blocking data so we could conclude that Wilt concentrate more on defensive end as his decline in scoring suggest the same - 39 ppg prior to his move and 30 ppg after that. The obvious reason - better teammates.

5) it is impossible to determine what Wilt's career averages are (the same with Russell), as there is a lack of sufficient data for his Warriors days. So we could just estimate. I personally doubt that Wilt's career shot blocking averages are in double digits and my personal estimation is that Wilt is around 7 to 8 bpg for his career with season or two of double digits averages or very close to it. It would be interesting if H. Pollack revealed the data for Sixers home games if he still kepis it.

6) Although Nate himself claimed that he and Russell are the greatest shot blockers available numbers clearly indicate Wilt and Russell as such. Younger Nate probably was better shotblocker than Kareem, and he had a games with 14, 12, 3 x 9 vs Wilt's teams. Interestingly all of those numbers are prior to 1970 and after '69 post season I was not able to find any number for Nate vs Wilt's Lakers although we have far more available other data. For me this is a sign that after 1969 Nate although still very good in defense was not the shotblocker he used to be in his younger days. Probably he adjusted his game because of the multiple injuries he receive during his prime years.

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[Psileas]

Not only that but blown shots and layups too. Altered shots. Look at league-wide FG% and ask yourself why it increased pretty steadily when those guys got old / retired. Same guards, same game, but % went up. And you're talking about some great centers coming into the league in the '70s, Lanier, Elmore, Jabbar, Walton - just great great defense from these guys.

My friends and I all have clear, distinct memories of all-time greats like Earl Monroe, Walt Frazier, Hal Greer and even Oscar Robertson (who almost NEVER made a mistake on the court) traveling because they were driving to the hoop and looked over the wrong shoulder to see where those guys were. Flat spooked.

LeRoy Ellis was another Center that could block a lot of shots in certain games. When he was on he could really get after it.

But Russell and Chamberlain, those two specially, they would play some cat and mouse with guys. They would set a guy up, not really go after his shot, but then when they needed a stop they would really lower the boom and break a man's spirit at the same time.

How about Gene Wiley, as well? At least according to nbastats, he had some crazy blocking games himself, including the craziest estimation I've ever read, in a game as a rookie when they estimated he had blocked around 20 shots in 23 minutes of play. :eek:

[Paul George 24]

Okay so I posted before, KU tracked Wilt's blocked shots even though the NCAA does not officially recognize them. 302 blocks in 48 games. Or 6.3 bpg. This in 40 minute games with no shot clock. Keep in mind all his other career stats (points, rebounds, assists) went up from his KU numbers once he entered the NBA due to the greater minutes on the floor and shot clocks. So one would assume his NBA blocks might be higher than 6.3 as well yes?

Well, based on NBAstats.net excel sheet, plus several additional games I had that they have not yet added, and a few corrections, I counted 109 NBA games (of random nature, playoff, reg season, etc) where Wilt Chamberlains blocked shot data was listed. I've been going through and double checking most of these numbers and while I've made a few corrections, most of their data seems on point when I cross reference with my own google-news-archive research so I thought I'd do a quick calculation. Some of these mention his blocks because they are incredible games with as much as 20+, some of these mention he only blocked as few as 1 shot so these aren't necessarily all his glorious games where they listed his block data. In those 109 games, I added up 976 blocks. Comes to an 8.95 bpg average. Take it for what it is. An average based on newspaper data (some game film of course but mostly newspapers). Plausible I guess, based on his KU data and how all his numbers sort of jumped in the NBA. But still, take it for what it is, incomplete data from sources that can never be 100% verified. It's worth pointing out though, it does sort of line up with the "career" figures Harvey Pollack estimated, and what Sonny Hill likes to mention.

6.3bpg KU - all 48 games, complete NCAA career avg

*EDIT - added more games:
8.813bpg NBA - 112 random games out of his total 1205 (9% of his career) from mostly newspaper sources and a few game films

By the way for those that have downloaded the Wilt Chamberlain spreadsheet from NBA stats, I disregarded all the "estimate" numbers. And as said, corrected a few, and also added a few others to come up with my 110 game sample size and 986 count.

HOW MANY IS GOALTENDING :roll:

[swagga]

wilt also blocked witches and mountain lions. Compared to CuckFTW I have exclusive video footage, not some skipbayless-from-the-50s misquoted articles.

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/4-28-2015/_MIce4.gif
http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/4-28-2015/EOZ9Yt.gif

[r0drig0lac]

the true MDE

[LAZERUSS]

the true MDE

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[LAZERUSS]

adjusted for tiny white guys getting blocked

CavsFTW has posted the newspaper article in which Chamberlain blocked the 6-11 HOFer Walt Bellamy's first NINE straight shots. Keep in mind that Bellamy would measure over seven-feet in today's NBA.

[Jameerthefear]

CuckFTW getting shit on again. Wilt played against tiny ass white dudes. I could knock out Wilt with a swift left jab if he was alive now.

[LAZERUSS]

CuckFTW getting shit on again. Wilt played against tiny ass white dudes. I could knock out Wilt with a swift left jab if he was alive now.

I know...

here are just two examples...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwHP04TWOps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1utx7OxiaoU

[Jameerthefear]

I know...

here are just two examples...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwHP04TWOps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1utx7OxiaoU
1. Goaltend

2. I don't even know Gilmore is.

Try again old man. I rule the future. I am the next generation. Wilt will be forgotten.

[LAZERUSS]

1. Goaltend

2. I don't even know Gilmore is.

Try again old man. I rule the future. I am the next generation. Wilt will be forgotten.

1.Back-to-back CLEAN blocks, at their apex, by a 35 year old Wilt, who weighted over 300 lbs, and on a surgically repaired knee...and against a PEAK 7-2 25 year old Kareem.

2. Doesn't surprise me. You have ZERO knowledge about the history of the game.

And, just look at the fact that even an idiot like yourself still takes time to post moronic posts on any Wilt subject....some 40+ years since he last played a game...

and that is all either of us need to know about who will more remembered in the next generation...

[sd3035]

I know...

here are just two examples...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwHP04TWOps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1utx7OxiaoU


http://julessaulnier.com/ermacrain/ermac/mail/salvatore.gif

[Jameerthefear]

1.Back-to-back CLEAN blocks, at their apex, by a 35 year old Wilt, who weighted over 300 lbs, and on a surgically repaired knee...and against a PEAK 7-2 25 year old Kareem.

2. Doesn't surprise me. You have ZERO knowledge about the history of the game.

And, just look at the fact that even an idiot like yourself still takes time to post moronic posts on any Wilt subject....some 40+ years since he last played a game...

and that is all either of us need to know about who will more remembered in the next generation...
Quiet old man. You got owned.

[julizaver]

1. Goaltend

2. I don't even know Gilmore is.

Try again old man. I rule the future. I am the next generation. Wilt will be forgotten.

It is a basketball forum - not a sci-fi movie forum.

You rule nothing outside of your own posts, and you will be forgotten the day after stop posting here.

[AirFederer]

Breaking news!

Wilt taken down by a 150 pound girl. Went down like a rag doll. Had to be rescued by team mates. :facepalm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QREsWOjNSqQ

Someone please make a gif of Wilt telling LAZERUSS to "be off" :oldlol:

[swagga]

Breaking news!

Wilt taken down by a 150 pound girl. Went down like a rag doll. Had to be rescued by team mates. :facepalm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QREsWOjNSqQ

Someone please make a gif of Wilt telling LAZERUSS to "be off" :oldlol:

too lazy for that, but I have one where wilt is struggling to lift a skinny woman :facepalm

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/4-28-2015/_MIce4.gif

[AirFederer]

Ha ha :cheers:

Wonder why Wilt backed out of the Ali fight :rolleyes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuX7FlddCRg

[QUOTE]Although Chamberlain had no competitive experience as a boxer, he approached the Ali fight with a plan. He would retain the services of world-class trainer Cus D’Amato – who readily volunteered to prepare Chamberlain for the bout. The choice of trainers was thoroughly appropriate, as D’Amato possessed an uncanny ability to create heavyweight champions quickly. He had trained Floyd Patterson to become at age 21 the youngest Heavyweight titlist in history, a record that stood for decades until broken by D’Amato’s next prot

[AirFederer]

:oldlol:


"You know how Ali was and what a great promoter he was," Arum said. "I was assured by Wilt's lawyer he would sign, but I just had a funny feeling. I grabbed Ali before Wilt got there and "told him I thought the guy was getting shaky and might pull out of the fight and I told him to shut up until (Chamberlain) actually signed. And he went, `Yeah, yeah, yeah.'"

But as soon as Chamberlain and his lawyer entered the office at the Astrodome where Ali and Arum were waiting, things changed. The showman in Ali took over even though there were no media there to witness it. As Chamberlain ducked his head through the doorway, Ali shouted `Timber! The tree will fall in four!!"

Chamberlain immediately asked Arum if he could use a private phone for a few minutes before proceeding. Arum set him up in Astrodome owner Judge Roy Hoffheinz' office and left him alone. Chamberlain called Jack Kent Cooke and quickly agreed to terms with the Lakers.

http://lexnihilnovi.blogspot.no/2012/08/ali-v-wilt-fight-that-almost-happened_15.html

[Psileas]

It is a basketball forum - not a sci-fi movie forum.

You rule nothing outside of your own posts, and you will be forgotten the day after stop posting here.


1.Back-to-back CLEAN blocks, at their apex, by a 35 year old Wilt, who weighted over 300 lbs, and on a surgically repaired knee...and against a PEAK 7-2 25 year old Kareem.

2. Doesn't surprise me. You have ZERO knowledge about the history of the game.

And, just look at the fact that even an idiot like yourself still takes time to post moronic posts on any Wilt subject....some 40+ years since he last played a game...

and that is all either of us need to know about who will more remembered in the next generation...

Guys, don't pay that much attention to sadomasochist idiots and trolls like him. They've been defeated ad nauseam and just come for more. Just ignore their asses.

[swagga]

Guys, don't pay that much attention to sadomasochist idiots and trolls like him. They've been defeated ad nauseam and just come for more. Just ignore their asses.

what is the difference between these guys and dubeta and 3ball?
just a different type of spamming filled with :
- out-of-context arguments (hakeem ~ kareem & kareem ~ wilt => wilt could play today) his stats would translate today
- hyperbole : mountain lion, women, he'd throw shaq around, stronger than arnold
- imaginary stats (blocks per game from sportswriters impressions), bellamy 9 blocks
- posts saved in advance (wonder what a diff program would tell :lol )
- clear agendas (look at my channel!!!!11!)
- pretending any real basketball knowledge without understanding the evolution of the game or play-to-win mentality, leadership&professionalism or per-possesion impact.
Just fanboy spam, the hipster version.

I really like wilt, top 5 goat talent, but he wasn't a basketball player first and he was unprofessional in general, therefore he lost WAY too much with multiple HOF teammates for how dominant he supposedly was. Stats dominance doesn't translate to important wins as we all know with westbrook/iverson/rose/etc.

He is the only talked about goat who had zero leadership and couldn't win with sufficient talent, for which he was called out by coaches and teammates alike. For how dominant he is propped here there is no excuse to only win once as the main guy with enough help. He simply played for stats the majority of his career. Finally, when he started playing teamball he had more success, being 2nd option to other HOFs. IDGAF about his talent, his legacy is bad basketball tbh.

Bottom line is that he is the most talented LOSER in the history of the game, nothing to cheer about.

Now go back to discussing his dominance and what stats he'd put today and how you people are so knowledgeable and hip :roll:

[CavaliersFTW]

what is the difference between these guys and dubeta and 3ball?
just a different type of spamming filled with :
- out-of-context arguments (hakeem ~ kareem & kareem ~ wilt => wilt could play today) his stats would translate today
- hyperbole : mountain lion, women, he'd throw shaq around, stronger than arnold
- imaginary stats (blocks per game from sportswriters impressions), bellamy 9 blocks
- posts saved in advance (wonder what a diff program would tell :lol )
- clear agendas (look at my channel!!!!11!)
- pretending any real basketball knowledge without understanding the evolution of the game or play-to-win mentality, leadership&professionalism or per-possesion impact.
Just fanboy spam, the hipster version.

I really like wilt, top 5 goat talent, but he wasn't a basketball player first and he was unprofessional in general, therefore he lost WAY too much with multiple HOF teammates for how dominant he supposedly was. Stats dominance doesn't translate to important wins as we all know with westbrook/iverson/rose/etc.

He is the only talked about goat who had zero leadership and couldn't win with sufficient talent, for which he was called out by coaches and teammates alike. For how dominant he is propped here there is no excuse to only win once as the main guy with enough help. He simply played for stats the majority of his career. Finally, when he started playing teamball he had more success, being 2nd option to other HOFs. IDGAF about his talent, his legacy is bad basketball tbh.

Bottom line is that he is the most talented LOSER in the history of the game, nothing to cheer about.

Now go back to discussing his dominance and what stats he'd put today and how you people are so knowledgeable and hip :roll:
https://youtu.be/_B7jVTJ_CIE?t=10m18s
All of that negative shit you tried to assert debunked with about 30 seconds of actual testimony and film.

Next.

[LAZERUSS]

what is the difference between these guys and dubeta and 3ball?
just a different type of spamming filled with :
- out-of-context arguments (hakeem ~ kareem & kareem ~ wilt => wilt could play today) his stats would translate today
- hyperbole : mountain lion, women, he'd throw shaq around, stronger than arnold
- imaginary stats (blocks per game from sportswriters impressions), bellamy 9 blocks
- posts saved in advance (wonder what a diff program would tell :lol )
- clear agendas (look at my channel!!!!11!)
- pretending any real basketball knowledge without understanding the evolution of the game or play-to-win mentality, leadership&professionalism or per-possesion impact.
Just fanboy spam, the hipster version.

I really like wilt, top 5 goat talent, but he wasn't a basketball player first and he was unprofessional in general, therefore he lost WAY too much with multiple HOF teammates for how dominant he supposedly was. Stats dominance doesn't translate to important wins as we all know with westbrook/iverson/rose/etc.

He is the only talked about goat who had zero leadership and couldn't win with sufficient talent, for which he was called out by coaches and teammates alike. For how dominant he is propped here there is no excuse to only win once as the main guy with enough help. He simply played for stats the majority of his career. Finally, when he started playing teamball he had more success, being 2nd option to other HOFs. IDGAF about his talent, his legacy is bad basketball tbh.

Bottom line is that he is the most talented LOSER in the history of the game, nothing to cheer about.

Now go back to discussing his dominance and what stats he'd put today and how you people are so knowledgeable and hip :roll:

EVERY single argument you presented has been SHREDDED here MANY times.

Move on to a topic you actually know something about (if there is any at all.)

Oh, and you have Wilt at #5? Really? I have never seen ONE post in which you praised him AT ALL.

[swagga]

https://youtu.be/_B7jVTJ_CIE?t=10m18s
All of that negative shit you tried to assert debunked with about 30 seconds of actual testimony and film.

Next.

begging for views? :roll:

[swagga]

EVERY single argument you presented has been SHREDDED here MANY times.

Move on to a topic you actually know something about (if there is any at all.)

Oh, and you have Wilt at #5? Really? I have never seen ONE post in which you praised him AT ALL.

son, I'm not going to bother arguing with you, because it's pointless.

I have wilt really high in terms of talent, up there with shaq, lebron and jordan in the top 5 of talent.
He is top 15 all time as a basketball player, a true all time great, but he has nothing in terms of career and playoff moments over jordan/kareem/magic/duncan/lebron/shaq/bird/kobe/erving/hakeem.

[CavaliersFTW]

son, I'm not going to bother arguing with you, because it's pointless.

I have wilt really high in terms of talent, up there with shaq, lebron and jordan in the top 5 of talent.
He is top 15 all time as a basketball player, a true all time great, but he has nothing in terms of career and playoff moments over jordan/kareem/magic/duncan/lebron/shaq/bird/kobe/erving/hakeem.
2 quadruple double's in the 1967 playoffs - one of them being in the Finals the other being vs the Celtics.

How many times those guys do that again?

56 points, 35 rebounds, 12 blocks - 50 point triple double to close a series

39 points, 30 rebounds, 12 blocks to close WDF series

42 points 37 rebounds held Bill Russell to 9 points, scored 16 in the fourth quarter for a come-from-behind victory after his team was down by 11.

1 quadruple double in the 1970 playoffs vs the suns

45 points 27 rebounds in the Finals.

He was FMVP what would be twice, for both his titles
He set 6 NBA records in one playoff game once.

How many quadruple double's those guys have in the playoffs again? How many times did they do something like this?

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4aQxqiYvy2U/VTrXhw-vKAI/AAAAAAAAGIE/6M8T_eMnPRg/s1280/NBA%2520EDF%2520Warrios%2520vs%2520Boston%2520G2%2 528v2.1%2529%25201962.jpg

[julizaver]

Guys, don't pay that much attention to sadomasochist idiots and trolls like him. They've been defeated ad nauseam and just come for more. Just ignore their asses.

I usually ignore such posts, but the "I rule the future. I am the next generation" made me laugh honestly. It really reminds me of a sci-fi movie bad guy who threatens the galaxy, :lol