How Many Players Have Won a Title Without an All-NBA Player

[T_L_P]

Can someone give me an exact list of the players to win a ring/rings without an All-NBA teammate?

[Chadwin]

Hakeem
Duncan
Dirk
Barry
Wallace

[BuffaloBill]

Hakeem
Duncan
Dirk


That's it.

Ben Wallace in 04 maybe

[Chadwin]

Do you mean all-NBA that year or ever (past, that year, or future)?

[T_L_P]

That's it.

Ben Wallace in 04 maybe

Wallace was the only All-NBAer in 04.

Also Jordan in 91 I believe.

[T_L_P]

Do you mean all-NBA that year or ever (past, that year, or future)?

That year. So yes, 11 Dirk, 94 Hakeem, 91 Jordan etc.

[guy]

Jordan, Magic, and Bird have actually all won titles without an All-NBA teammate.

[kennethgriffin]

not quite fair since they didnt always have an all nba 3rd team. that was implemented much later on.

and if it was like the old rules. kobe would have 2 titles without another all nba team mate

but the real question is. who has titles without another top 50 player all time

kobes definitely the only one with 2

[ShawkFactory]

not quite fair since they didnt always have an all nba 3rd team. that was implemented much later on.

and if it was like the old rules. kobe would have 2 titles without another all nba team mate

but the real question is. who has titles without another top 50 player all time

kobes definitely the only one with 2
Duncan has 3/4. Depending on if you still want to count 10/8 in 2003 Robinson as his top 50 self. Knowing you, you probably do :lol

[JebronLames]

Only player to win an nba title without a teammate playing like an all star in the playoffs: LeBron 2013

[T_L_P]

Only player to win an nba title without a teammate playing like an all star in the playoffs: LeBron 2013

Who played like an All-Star on the 03 Spurs, 94 Rockets?

[kennethgriffin]

Duncan has 3/4. Depending on if you still want to count 10/8 in 2003 Robinson as his top 50 self. Knowing you, you probably do :lol

1999 - lockout
2005 - ginobili 20ppg on 60% finals ( real fmvp )
2007 - parker fmvp
2013 - kawhi fmvp with sidekick parker


all nba = lol... its about what happens. how it happened. who it happened with.

not entirely black and white as duncan fans would want you to believe


all 18 years duncans had

- a legendary top 3 all time coach
- a HOF sidekick
- a stacked roster with great role players


only managed 5 titles and 6 finals... and kobes had those combinations maybe once or twice all at once in 19 years but managed more finals and the same titles

[BuffaloBill]

Who played like an All-Star on the 03 Spurs, 94 Rockets?


Tim Duncan and Hakeem Olajuwon

[ZMonkey11]

'89 Isiah Thomas. Best little man to every play the game, hands down.

[ShawkFactory]

1999 - lockout
2005 - ginobili 20ppg on 60% finals ( real fmvp )
2007 - parker fmvp
2013 - kawhi fmvp with sidekick parker


all nba = lol... its about what happens. how it happened. who it happened with.

not entirely black and white as duncan fans would want you to believe
:sleeping

You're the blackest/whitest here

[T_L_P]

'89 Isiah Thomas. Best little man to every play the game, hands down.

No Piston made an All-NBA team in 88-89.

Ironically, Joe was the only All-NBA player on the 89-90 Pistons.

[Hey Yo]

1999 - lockout
2005 - ginobili 20ppg on 60% finals ( real fmvp )
2007 - parker fmvp
2013 - kawhi fmvp with sidekick parker


all nba = lol... its about what happens. how it happened. who it happened with.

not entirely black and white as duncan fans would want you to believe


all 18 years duncans had

- a legendary top 3 all time coach
- a HOF sidekick
- a stacked roster with great role players


only managed 5 titles and 6 finals... and kobes had those combinations maybe once or twice all at once in 19 years but managed more finals and the same titles
:oldlol: Griff using another players shooting % in the Finals. How come you never use Kobe's % in the Finals when pumping him up?

[ZMonkey11]

No Piston made an All-NBA team in 88-89.

Ironically, Joe was the only All-NBA player on the 89-90 Pistons.

Was an All-NBA player almost every season before that.

3 straight NBA Finals

Robbed on 1 of them.

Sacrificing stats for the team.

What a great man.

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[SHAQisGOAT]

3rd all-nba team was only added in '89 though.



That year. So yes, 11 Dirk, 94 Hakeem, 91 Jordan etc.

That "way"... All of Bird's titles...

[Deuce Bigalow]

3rd all-nba team was only added in '89 though.




That "way"... All of Bird's titles...
2 of Kobe's then

[ClipperRevival]

If we are including All-NBA 3rd team, than Kobe has 0 as Gasol made the 3rd team in both 2009 and 2010.

[Prime_Shaq]

'89 Isiah Thomas. Best little man to every play the game, hands down.
Criminally underrated here

[T_L_P]

3rd all-nba team was only added in '89 though.




That "way"... All of Bird's titles...

Nate in 81?

[stanlove1111]

Hakeem
Duncan
Dirk
Barry
Wallace


Walton

[game3524]

Jordan in 1991.

[KG215]

not entirely black and white as duncan fans would want you to believe

Neither is 99% of the bullshit you post to prop up Kobe, yet you have no problem pretending it's "black and white" when doing so.

[KG215]

not quite fair since they didnt always have an all nba 3rd team. that was implemented much later on.

and if it was like the old rules. kobe would have 2 titles without another all nba team mate

but the real question is. who has titles without another top 50 player all time

kobes definitely the only one with 2
That's great and all, but ignoring the state of the league in that given year is stupid.

Let's look at how man All-NBA players the other top teams in the league in 2009 and 2010 had:

2009
Celtics: 1
Cavaliers: 1
Magic: 1
Nuggets: 2 (two 3rd teams)
Spurs: 2 (one 1st team and one 2nd team)

2010
Celtics: 0
Cavaliers: 1
Magic: 1
Suns: 2
Nuggets: 1


One day maybe you'll get it through your thick head and realize that, relative to the rest of the league and other superstars on contenders in 2009 and 2010, Kobe had a better or, at the very least, a sidekick as good as anyone else's sidekick. A sidekick that averaged 18-11-3-2 and posted a 21.9 PER and .221 WS/48 in the 2009 playoffs; and averaged 20-11-4-2 and posted a 24.0 PER and .224 WS/48 in the 2010 playoffs.

20+ PER and WS/48 that high are very good, especially for a second banana.

[pauk]

Technically, very few, all are essentially listed here...

But hypothetically, nobody really has....

If you put 10 Jordans in a team, all will average 10-11 ppg for a total of 100-110 ppg, there is only one ball & not enough possessions for each one to get 30 ppg.... none will hence make the All-NBA team and none will be called best player in the NBA.... but are they really not All-NBA or All-Star players based on ABILITY?

You take 1 Jordan of that team and put him in a scrub team with only 1 All-NBA player or even 2 and he will get his stats as he is needed to do that in order to win and doesnt have now 9 Jordans to fight possessions/shots with... now all of the sudden he is an All-NBA player and probably best player in the NBA.......

My point is, you CAN be an All-NBA level player or at least All-Star level player based on your ability.... why you are not honored with that or cant fully show that depends on what situation you are on to display that ability the best.... See James Harden today for example? Do you really think he didnt possess this ability when he was a 6th man for the Thunder? Durant mentioned this many times...

No player has ever won without All-star ability/capable players which is enough to consider you as an All-NBA 3rd team ability/capable player aswell... what i mean with the latter you have to look at some of the 3rd team names: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_Team All-nba 3rd team is reachable for your normal all-star, most recently Goran Dragic was all-nba 3rd teamer afterall... and he wasnt even an All-Star that year... but he had the all-star & all-nba 3rd team ability and showed that because he was put in such a position/situation to do that..... if Goran Dragic can be all-nba, extremly many players in history could...

[SHAQisGOAT]

Nate in 81?

True, missed it.

I think Parish and McHale would've probably also made a hypothetical 3rd team in 1981 and 1986, respectively. Even if you still had Gilmore, Sikma or Nater in 1981 and Sampson, Dantley, Marques, Erving or Buck in 1986.

Chief's considerable improvement from 1980 to 1981 (already 27 years old) is also another indicator of Larry's making his teammates better, though. Plus Fitch worked with Robert plenty on the defensive end.

In 1984, I can't see not even one of Bird's teammates making it (considering their level at the time), as you'd still also have English, Sampson, Aguirre, Gervin, Kiki, Sikma or Laimbeer above them.

[Real14]

'89 Isiah Thomas. Best little man to every play the game, hands down.
:applause:

[pauk]

Get what im saying?

For example, Hakeem is mentioned here alot, lets take his teammates, technically none were all-stars during the back-to-back championships.... but he had at least one player with all-star ability/capability and hence all-nba (3rd team at least) capability....

Starting with Otis Thorpe (a 14 & 10 player during 94-95), put him in a scrub team, one where he is their 1st option, he sure would produce better than 15-10 logically, especially when you look at his productions just before joining Rockets (averaged 21 ppg, 10 rpg, 3 apg, 51% fg, 1 bpg, 1 spg).... he will be an All-Star.... potentially even an All-NBA player (at least 3rd team perhaps), who knows.... same thing could arguably happened with Vernon Maxwell or even Kenny Smith, both had all-star capability, who knows what they would produce in a position a la Goran Dragic.....

There is players with All-star or All-NBA (3rd team at least) ability who are not in best positions to display that by numbers..... and then there are those who are put in great positions to display that.... nobody complains as long as winning is going on....

This does exist and its proven all the time when players are put in such situations to perform/display that ability..... again, latest & best example is obviously James Harden....... yet if he would have stayed in OKC and hence continued to be a 6th man today lets just say he wouldnt be anywhere close to be All-NBA 3rd team, better yet winning the MVP.....

[Real14]

Jordan in 1991.
:applause:

[BuffaloBill]

Technically, very few, all are essentially listed here...

But hypothetically, nobody really has....

If you put 10 Jordans in a team, all will average 10-11 ppg for a total of 100-110 ppg, there is only one ball & not enough possessions for each one to get 30 ppg.... none will hence make the All-NBA team and none will be called best player in the NBA.... but are they really not All-NBA or All-Star players based on ABILITY?

You take 1 Jordan of that team and put him in a scrub team with only 1 All-NBA player or even 2 and he will get his stats as he is needed to do that in order to win and doesnt have now 9 Jordans to fight possessions/shots with... now all of the sudden he is an All-NBA player and probably best player in the NBA.......

My point is, you CAN be an All-NBA level player or at least All-Star level player based on your ability.... why you are not honored with that or cant fully show that depends on what situation you are on to display that ability the best.... See James Harden today for example? Do you really think he didnt possess this ability when he was a 6th man for the Thunder? Durant mentioned this many times...

No player has ever won without All-star ability/capable players which is enough to consider you as an All-NBA 3rd team ability/capable player aswell... what i mean with the latter you have to look at some of the 3rd team names: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_Team All-nba 3rd team is reachable for your normal all-star, most recently Goran Dragic was all-nba 3rd teamer afterall... and he wasnt even an All-Star that year... but he had the all-star & all-nba 3rd team ability and showed that because he was put in such a position/situation to do that..... if Goran Dragic can be all-nba, extremly many players in history could...





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You either make the all NBA team or you don't. It's that simple

[ISHGoat]

1999 - lockout
2005 - ginobili 20ppg on 60% finals ( real fmvp )
2007 - parker fmvp
2013 - kawhi fmvp with sidekick parker


all nba = lol... its about what happens. how it happened. who it happened with.

not entirely black and white as duncan fans would want you to believe


all 18 years duncans had

- a legendary top 3 all time coach
- a HOF sidekick
- a stacked roster with great role players


only managed 5 titles and 6 finals... and kobes had those combinations maybe once or twice all at once in 19 years but managed more finals and the same titles

there is so much wrong with this post. even then, its not even worth debating with a retard like kenneth

here, ill do the same thing for kobe's titles:

2000 - shaq fmvp
2001 - shaq fmvp
2002 - shaq fmvp
2009 - pau/odom/fisher/ariza/bynum
2010 - pau/odom/artest/bynum/fisher

he basically has 0 rings

[KG215]

there is so much wrong with this post. even then, its not even worth debating with a retard like kenneth

here, ill do the same thing for kobe's titles:

2000 - shaq fmvp
2001 - shaq fmvp
2002 - shaq fmvp
2009 - pau/odom/fisher/ariza/bynum
2010 - pau/odom/artest/bynum/fisher

he basically has 0 rings
Yeah, as long as you cherrypick whatever the hell you want and essentially make up your own criteria and ignore all context, you can be a carbon-copy troll of Griff!

I know what you're doing, but it really is that easy to be that stupid, yet Griff thinks people actually value his opinion.

[Alamо]

Can someone give me an exact list of the players to win a ring/rings without an All-NBA teammate?



Would Lebron count if he won this year? Kyrie is easily an all nba player, so is Kevin Love, but would it count if they don't play in the finals?



He would join the likes of Duncan, Hakeem, and Dirk

[Springsteen]

all 18 years duncans had

- a legendary top 3 all time coach
- a HOF sidekick
- a stacked roster with great role players


only managed 5 titles and 6 finals... and kobes had those combinations maybe once or twice all at once in 19 years but managed more finals and the same titles

:biggums:

- Phil Jackson
- Shaq/Pau
- Don't act like Kobe's Lakers weren't filled with great role players for years