Does Lebron still have a shot at MVP?

[Im Still Ballin]

Well?

[navy]

No.

Curry has the wins and cute lightskin appeal.
Harden has the one man army narrative.
Westbrook has the raw numbers.

[You Cant Ban Me]

nah Harden got it locked up plus too many people hate him for that speech where he said he was better than everyone

[Im Still Ballin]

It seems like Lebron has been cooking it well-done in the 4th quarters this season

I wonder if he leads 4th quarter scoring? At least after his 2 weeks off

[VengefulAngel]

No, but he's the best player in the planet.

[J Shuttlesworth]

http://gfycat.com/FittingLoathsomeDeer

[kells333]

Depends on what your looking for in an mvp

Curry best player on the best team
Russell best pure numbers
Harden did the best with the least
Lebron best player in the league

[DMAVS41]

Sure.

The Cavs have 10 games left.

If they win all 10 and he averages 35/8/7 on great efficiency it might be enough to win it.

[VengefulAngel]

Sure.

The Cavs have 10 games left.

If they win all 10 and he averages 35/8/7 on great efficiency it might be enough to win it.

No way he's going to win it. Those 10 games don't change anything for Cleveland.

[Beastmode88]

Curry is pretty much locked for MVP.

[dubeta]

No, the media is rigged full of Jordan stans that do not want LeBron to tie Jordan in MVPs

[beastee]

Nope. Best player on the best team will win it...and that clearly is Curry at this point. Lebron can get the last laugh with a FMVP though if he balls out of his mind in the playoffs.

[aj1987]

It seems like Lebron has been cooking it well-done in the 4th quarters this season

I wonder if he leads 4th quarter scoring? At least after his 2 weeks off
They were virtually tied until today.

http://i.imgur.com/TcDdH2B.png

Leads the league in "clutch" PPG though. At a high % as well.

http://i.imgur.com/23gQTuG.png

[Lebron23]

They were virtually tied until today.

http://i.imgur.com/TcDdH2B.png

Leads the league in "clutch" PPG though. At a high % as well.

http://i.imgur.com/23gQTuG.png


Wow. He's been balling since he returned from his "2 weeks" Vacation.

[VengefulAngel]

They were virtually tied until today.

http://i.imgur.com/TcDdH2B.png

Leads the league in "clutch" PPG though. At a high % as well.

http://i.imgur.com/23gQTuG.png

What's really pissing me off about Wade and Lebron is that they coast for the first two quarters. Particularly Lebron. Wade has been looking good, it was a shame about tonights performance.

[fiddy]

Bran>Curry imo

[Im Still Ballin]

I hope the votes are spread as hell

Lebron could be in with the sleeper win

[20Four]

No, but he's the best player in the planet.
Just stop you fvcking dumbass, hes not even close to being the best in the NBA yet alone planet?? WTF are you smoking?

http://i.imgur.com/eqr9P4X.gif


Gets blocked then doesn't play defense:

http://giant.gfycat.com/ScientificDopeyHalicore.gif

[sportjames23]

Why do Bron stans keep asking this question?

Ya boy is out of the race this season. Accept it and move on.

[DMAVS41]

No way he's going to win it. Those 10 games don't change anything for Cleveland.

I don't think he's going to win it, but it's not impossible. If they won 10 more in a row and he absolutely dominated...it would make it real close.

[20Four]

Why do Bron stans keep asking this question?

Ya boy is out of the race this season. Accept it and move on.
They keep asking the same question because they're fvcking stupid like their idol leBRONZE lames

[Im Still Ballin]

Some FURIOUS haters ITT

Polar caps melting!

[sportjames23]

No, the media is rigged full of Jordan stans that do not want LeBron to tie Jordan in MVPs


Well, in that case, wouldn't they have made sure Bron didn't even get close to MJ in the first place?

Insecure ass Bron stans. :facepalm

[J Shuttlesworth]

Some FURIOUS haters ITT

Polar caps melting!
:roll:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Any unbiased fan realizes that he is the MVP but he wont win because of the biased media..

[RedBlackAttack]

If he plays all the rest of the games and the Cavs get to 55 wins, he has a shot. I don't think either of those things will happen.

[sd3035]

Bran has absolutely no shot

[Milbuck]

He has a case if he stops coasting for big chunks of games like today. With the cases Curry and Harden have built in the race, wins alone won't do it imo, he's gonna have to put up some big numbers as well to really overtake them. It's really up to him whether he wants rest before the playoffs, or the MVP. He could definitely get it if he wants it, just has to put his foot on the gas individually. Play Westbrook-level aggressively for most of the season here on out.

[game3524]

Why do Bron stans keep asking this question?

Ya boy is out of the race this season. Accept it and move on.

Seriously. The race was over and done with several weeks ago. Curry will be MVP and the voting won't even be close.

Lebron will likely finish in 4th or 5th place.

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

Any unbiased fan realizes that he is the MVP but he wont win because of the biased media..
No, he isn't. You front like you're an advanced stats proponent....until the stats turn against lebron

Rapm, wins produced, win shares.....all favour curry and harden. Both have played like 400 more minutes, have better team records and play in a tougher conference.

[kennethgriffin]

Lol@lebron fans finally realizing the mvp isnt about how good you are.. its either

- stat padding award ( westbrook)
- best player on best team regardless of the help (curry)
Or
- best story ( harden )

[game3524]

Honestly, what case does Bron have besides "best player in the NBA" schtick? Him winning MVP this year would be even worse then D-Rose winning it in 2011. At least Rose fit one of the criteria(best player on best regular season team), Lebron doesn't and he doesn't have the production from the last couple of years to off-set that.

[Beastmode88]

Lol@lebron fans finally realizing the mvp isnt about how good you are.. its either

- stat padding award ( westbrook)
- best player on best team regardless of the help (curry)
Or
- best story ( harden )

i thought you were only posting here once a month. :banana:

[kennethgriffin]

Jordan would have more than 5 mvps if it was the best player award


It never was an award that held any weight

[game3524]

Jordan would have more than 5 mvps if it was the best player award


It never was an award that held any weight

Pretty much.

Hell, Shaq would have 3 or 4 if the award was about giving it to the best player in the league.

[Cold soul]

Nah not much of a chance Lebron should finish in top three in voting though.

[kennethgriffin]

Pretty much.

Hell, Shaq would have 3 or 4 if the award was about giving it to the best player in the league.


Jordan would have (88,89,90,91,92,93,96,97)
Shaq would have (98,99,00,01,02,05)
Kobe would have (03,06,07,08,09,10)
Lebron would have (11,12,13,14,15)

[Cocaine80s]

Hes been the favorite for the past 2 weeks now


Its his to lose at this point

[game3524]

Jordan would have (88,89,90,91,92,93,96,97)
Shaq would have (98,99,00,01,02,05)
Kobe would have (03,06,07,08,09,10)
Lebron would have (11,12,13,14,15)

It wouldn't be that extreme.:oldlol:

1988-MJ
1989-MJ
1990-MJ
1991-MJ
1992-MJ
1993-MJ
1994-Hakeem
1995-Hakeem
1996-MJ
1997-MJ
1998-Malone
1999-Duncan
2000-Shaq
2001-Shaq
2002-Shaq
2003-Duncan
2004-KG
2005-Shaq
2006-Kobe
2007-Kobe
2008-Kobe
2009-Lebron
2010-Lebron
2011-Lebron
2012-Lebron
2013-Lebron
2014-Durant
2015-AD

[RoundMoundOfReb]

If it were best player post MJ it would go:

1999 - Shaq
2000 - Shaq
2001 - Shaq
2002 - Shaq
2003 - Duncan
2004 - Garnett
2005 - Duncan
2006 - Kobe
2007 - Kobe
2008 - Kobe
2009 - LeBron
2010 - LeBron
2011 - LeBron
2012 - LeBron
2013 - LeBron
2014 - LeBron
2015 - LeBron

He would still have way more than Kobe.

[Im Still Ballin]

Kobe was the short transition era between two greats in Shaq and Lebron

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

Honestly, what case does Bron have besides "best player in the NBA" schtick? Him winning MVP this year would be even worse then D-Rose winning it in 2011. At least Rose fit one of the criteria(best player on best regular season team), Lebron doesn't and he doesn't have the production from the last couple of years to off-set that.
Exactly. People wanna give LeBron the award based on the 5 year run hes had.

Its not a goddamn lifetime achievement award. LeBron isn't the MVP this year. Its not even close. Its not even close to BEING close.

Advanced stats favour curry and harden (rapm, rpm, win shares, wins produced)
Traditional stats favour curry and harden
Team records favour curry and harden
The competition they're pitted up against favour curry and harden
Amount of games played favour curry and harden

LeBron really has nothing going for him here. That's why people have resorted to making it a narrative-based thing. Its the crux of their argument

"Well if the playoffs started today...."
"They mightve had better seasons but lebron is the better PLAYER"
"Cavs suck without him"

Now the last part is true. They HAVE sucked without him. But remember; that sick run of theirs coincided with them revamping their defense. Varejao was their only big body and only rim protector. When he went down, they lost 2 of their next 3 games, both with lebron IN the lineup, both by double digits, one to the lowly Pistons. THEN, LeBron hit the shelf and they kept on losing. So, its deceptive: sure LeBron is the biggest reason they turned things around, by a long shot. But their defense was 27th in the league before they acquired mozgov and shump. They weren't going ANYWHERE with the cast that they had pre-trades, even with LeBron

But anyways, I digress....lebron has no real case.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

People will say LeBron has no case but James Harden who has similar numbers, a similar record, and worse actual impact is the frontrunner? Makes no sense.

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

If it were best player post MJ it would go:

1999 - Shaq
2000 - Shaq
2001 - Shaq
2002 - Shaq
2003 - Duncan
2004 - Garnett
2005 - Duncan
2006 - Kobe
2007 - Kobe
2008 - Kobe
2009 - LeBron
2010 - LeBron
2011 - LeBron
2012 - LeBron
2013 - LeBron
2014 - LeBron
2015 - LeBron

He would still have way more than Kobe.

2009-2014, sure.

But in 2015 the title is pretty vacant (same with 99 and 04). Say the Cavs don't win the title this year. That's two full years without an MVP, title or FMVP for LeBron.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

People will say LeBron has no case but James Harden who has similar numbers, a similar record, and worse actual impact is the frontrunner? Makes no sense.

Worse impact? Harden doesn't have Kyrie and Love, plus he plays in the Western Conference. Dwight has been out for most of the season, Terrence Jones and Patrick Beverely have missed time...and through all of it Harden has kept them not only afloat but in a position to make a decent playoff run.

I'm not a Harden fan but that's just disrespectful, Harden's impact has been second to none this year. Curry/Harden > Westbrook > LeBron.

[game3524]

People will say LeBron has no case but James Harden who has similar numbers, a similar record, and worse actual impact is the frontrunner? Makes no sense.

In what world does Harden have less impact then Lebron this year? Harden has the clear edge in traditional numbers and advance numbers and his team is on pace to have a better record then Lebron with a much inferior supporting cast.

Granted, I don't think he is the MVP either.......but his case is a hell of a lot stronger then Lebron's.

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

People will say LeBron has no case but James Harden who has similar numbers, a similar record, and worse actual impact is the frontrunner? Makes no sense.

He doesn't have similar numbers lol. His numbers are better. Hes in a tougher conference. His teams record has been better. Hes played 10 more games. And hes (IMO) second to Curry, who will likely win.

Craziest part: the second and third best players on the Rockets have played 30% of the season yet they're still on pace to win 55 games. How is that not INCREDIBLY impactful? Your second and third best players are out the entire year and you're still dragging this team to 55+ wins. That's insane.

Take just about every franchise players 2nd and 3rd bananas out and that doesn't happen.

Cut it out and be happy with the MVP's lebron deserved, which were the 4 he won.

[Mr. Jabbar]

no.

[kennethgriffin]

It wouldn't be that extreme.:oldlol:

1988-MJ
1989-MJ
1990-MJ
1991-MJ
1992-MJ
1993-MJ
1994-Hakeem
1995-Hakeem
1996-MJ
1997-MJ
1998-Malone
1999-Duncan
2000-Shaq
2001-Shaq
2002-Shaq
2003-Duncan
2004-KG
2005-Shaq
2006-Kobe
2007-Kobe
2008-Kobe
2009-Lebron
2010-Lebron
2011-Lebron
2012-Lebron
2013-Lebron
2014-Durant
2015-AD



Lol@2009


2010 is arguably a tie.. 2009 is kobe by a country mile

[game3524]

Lol@2009


2010 is arguably a tie.. 2009 is kobe by a country mile

Lebron was better then Kobe in 2009 and 2010(granted injuries did de-rail Kobe that year.....but even if he was healthy, Lebron was still better).

[dubeta]

Kobe never deserved a MVP

When he was putting up stats, he had a below 50 win record (ultimate MVP criteria), and when he had a good team, LeBron was clearly better.

Kobe stans dont try and spin it around, be glad Kobe stole 1

[game3524]

Kobe never deserved a MVP

When he was putting up stats, he had a below 50 win record (ultimate MVP criteria), and when he had a good team, LeBron was clearly better.

Kobe stans dont try and spin it around, be glad Kobe stole 1

Lebron wasn't better then Kobe in 2008. It is complete revisionist history to suggest otherwise.

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe never deserved a MVP

When he was putting up stats, he had a below 50 win record (ultimate MVP criteria), and when he had a good team, LeBron was clearly better.

Kobe stans dont try and spin it around, be glad Kobe stole 1


Well even bill simmons (a bigger kobe hater than you) said kobe got robbed for a few mvps

[kennethgriffin]

Nobody wins player of the decade/wins the most titles in the decade/ scores the most points in the decade/ gets the most 1st team all nbas/all defenses/ has the most 30/40/50/60/80 point games... and isnt deserving of atleast 1 mvp

Its arguable with 1988 jordan criteria that kobe is 2003 mvp

Kobe was run away mvp in 2006 and 2007

And going based on how much harder it was in the west. Surely kobe was mvp in 2009..

thats 5 mvps including his 2008 award

[dubeta]

Kobe didnt have the best stats in 2006, 2007 so how could he win MVP? LeBron had better stats and a better team record.

LeBron has had better stats than Kobe since like 2005

[ralph_i_el]

Nobody wins player of the decade/wins the most titles in the decade/ scores the most points in the decade/ gets the most 1st team all nbas/all defenses/ has the most 30/40/50/60/80 point games... and isnt deserving of atleast 1 mvp

Its arguable with 1988 jordan criteria that kobe is 2003 mvp

Kobe was run away mvp in 2006 and 2007

And going based on how much harder it was in the west. Surely kobe was mvp in 2009..

thats 5 mvps including his 2008 award
:roll:
you're using longevity stats to argue for single-season awards

[dubeta]

:roll:
you're using longevity stats to argue for single-season awards

:oldlol:


This is why you dont argue with kobetards

[game3524]

Kobe didnt have the best stats in 2006, 2007 so how could he win MVP? LeBron had better stats and a better team record.

LeBron has had better stats than Kobe since like 2005

Lebron didn't have better numbers then Kobe in 2006 and 2007, especially in 2007.

[ralph_i_el]

I think we've established that context is important, and that one star player can't drag a bad supporting cast to a championship.

[Mr. Jabbar]

you dont argue with kobetards

but you do it 24/7/365 :confusedshrug:

[dubeta]

but you do it 24/7/365 :confusedshrug:

i don't argue, just educate

[All Net]

Stay on topic or this topic is getting closed

[bobopenguin]

it's ok to have the mvp debate wit LBJ included, just to make his d*ckriders happy. but wth is J-whistle-haren included in the list? :coleman: