why is espn pushing lebron for a 5th mvp when the cavs have the 9th best record?

[kennethgriffin]

Where was this media criteria when kobe was the obvious best player in 2006 and 2007


Back then they said "you need a top 3 record"

Well even in 2012 the heat didnt have a top 3 record when lebron won mvp

How many mvps does this guy need to satisfy these people anyway

Do they realize he would tie jordan with 5?

Should a guy with 1 lockout ring and 1 ray allen ring really be tied with the 6 for 6 legit goat michael jordan?

9th best record? Really?

His stats arent even the best in the nba anymore..

[sportjames23]

Oh, this should be good.

[kennethgriffin]

I'd seriously argue that

Steph curry
James harden
Anthony davis
Russell westbrook

Are alllllll better players than lebron james at this point

[Kvnzhangyay]

Why do you care?

[Hey Yo]

What's ESPN saying?

Link?

[kennethgriffin]

Why do you care?


Because the casual fan believes mvps add to legacies.. and thats a cheap way for the media to ensure lebron moves up on the all time list without actually winning

[kennethgriffin]

What's ESPN saying?

Link?
http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=12385761

[Cocaine80s]

Crazy how he might have 5 mvps by age 30.


How much does Kobe have in his 19 seasons?
Surely at least more than one right?

[Straight_Ballin]

Because the casual fan believes mvps add to legacies.. and thats a cheap way for the media to ensure lebron moves up on the all time list without actually winning

well he sure isn't going to win so how else do you want them to try and move him up the ladder?!

[Kvnzhangyay]

Because the casual fan believes mvps add to legacies.. and thats a cheap way for the media to ensure lebron moves up on the all time list without actually winning


Actually the casual fan looks at rings as legacy, and hardcore fans look at stats/advanced stats :coleman:

Also, as shit as ESPN is, I mean c'mon, that article was by Brian windhorst, what the fck do you expect? :lol :lol

[kennethgriffin]

Crazy how he might have 5 mvps by age 30.


How much does Kobe have in his 19 seasons?
Surely at least more than one right?


Under the lebron criteria kobe might have won in 2003,2006,2007,2008,2009

[sdot_thadon]

Where was this media criteria when kobe was the obvious best player in 2006 and 2007


Back then they said "you need a top 3 record"

Well even in 2012 the heat didnt have a top 3 record when lebron won mvp

How many mvps does this guy need to satisfy these people anyway

Do they realize he would tie jordan with 5?

Should a guy with 1 lockout ring and 1 ray allen ring really be tied with the 6 for 6 legit goat michael jordan?

9th best record? Really?

His stats arent even the best in the nba anymore..
Cause dat boy good. Seriously, all that's needed is a proper narrative. Guess they found one.

[Roundball_Rock]

The same basic reasons the press is also pushing for Westbrook these days:

1) Both are putting up great numbers on surging teams.
2) How many stories can they run on Harden and Curry for MVP? Westbrook and LeBron are allowing for a change of story. Harden/Curry remain the front-runners for MVP. Westbrook and LeBron are dark horses.

A third factor specific to LeBron is he is the biggest superstar in the NBA. Any time their is an opportunity to run a story on him the media will tend to go with it because he simply sells more than Harden, Westbrook or Curry. LeBron and Kobe are the two guys pretty much everyone knows. Probably half of the public does not even know who Harden, Westbrook, or Curry are (half of people don't know who their state's lieutenant governor is). A superstar like LeBron draws eyeballs to televisions and print stories that otherwise would not read about the NBA.

[Hey Yo]

http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=12385761
The article gives more examples why he shouldn't / not on pace for MVP than saying he's right in the mix.


James has either won the MVP or finished in the top three of the voting in each of the past six years, yet sportsbooks currently have him as an underdog.


The reality at this point in James' career is that he doesn't so much compete with his peers but with himself. Whether it is fair or not, when evaluating James, he is competing against his past MVP seasons. And this season, by that measurement, he does not rate as well.

Those are just a few examples givin' as to why he's not on pace.

[SugarHill]

I'd seriously argue that

Steph curry
James harden
Anthony davis
Russell westbrook

Are alllllll better players than lebron james at this point
Based on what? Stats or winning in the regular season?

I mean, are you conceding that LeBron 09 and 10 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Kobe?

[Twiens]

He's top 10, maybe top 5.

[Hey Yo]

"In the past 25 seasons, the winner of the MVP has been on teams that have averaged 61 wins. James is a part of that trend; in the three full seasons in which he won the MVP, his teams averaged 64 wins. He also won the award in the lockout season in 2011-12, when the Heat went 46-20. Quite often it is an award to the team as much as the individual, and the Cavs, who started the season 19-20 before going on their run, may have trouble helping him in this regard."

[JT123]

I'd seriously argue that

Steph curry
James harden
Anthony davis
Russell westbrook

Are alllllll better players than lebron james at this point
And that is why no one takes you seriously. How many playoff series have the guys in bold won as the man? :confusedshrug:

[oh the horror]

And that is why no one takes you seriously. How many playoff series have the first 3 guys you listed won as the man? :confusedshrug:



So a regular season award is now dictated by playoff performance?


What other narratives shall we bend to fit the Lebron criteria?

[dannywpt]

I don't get why they push so hard for LeBron (who is playing alongside 2 stars) when Westbrook has better stats, does way better on the eye test (remember bron's "defense"?) and had a D-league level team at the start of the season.

[nba_55]

So a regular season award is now dictated by playoff performance?


What other narratives shall we bend to fit the Lebron criteria?
He said curry, davis and harden were better players. He wasn't talking about mvp.

[JT123]

So a regular season award is now dictated by playoff performance?


What other narratives shall we bend to fit the Lebron criteria?
:facepalm I wasn't referring to their MVP status. OP said they were better overall players, which they clearly aren't. Replace Lebron on the Cavs with any of those players and the Cavs have a much worse record.

[JT123]

He said curry, davis and harden were better players. He wasn't talking about mvp.
Laker fans don't have the greatest reading comprehension. :lol

[Hey Yo]

So where is it that ESPN is pushing hard for LeBron to win MVP?

[kennethgriffin]

Based on what? Stats or winning in the regular season?

I mean, are you conceding that LeBron 09 and 10 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Kobe?


Before all lebron had was stats. He was flawed. Not fundamental. Awkward. Lacked heart. Lacked alpha mentality. Lacked a midrange game. Lacked footwork. Lacked everything except a body and stats from imposing his unfair advantages in a stat padding mentality


Now he still has all those holes and doesnt even have the insane numbers anymore


So im saying guys like harden, curry, westrbook are better because they have the skills and alpha drive. Theyre trustworthy to lead a team in the playoffs more than lebron. And ontop of it all their stats now compare to lebrons and in some areas are better

So why the **** would anyone put lebron over them noww?????

[SugarHill]

Before all lebron had was stats. He was flawed. Not fundamental. Awkward. Lacked heart. Lacked alpha mentality. Lacked a midrange game. Lacked footwork. Lacked everything except a body and stats from imposing his unfair advantages in a stat padding mentality


Now he still has all those holes and doesnt even have the insane numbers anymore


So im saying guys like harden, curry, westrbook are better because they have the skills and alpha drive. Theyre trustworthy to lead a team in the playoffs more than lebron. And ontop of it all their stats now compare to lebrons and in some areas are better

So why the **** would anyone put lebron over them noww?????

They're more trustworthy because of their vast playoff success and you know this because of their regular season play :bowdown:

[Kvnzhangyay]

Before all lebron had was stats. He was flawed. Not fundamental. Awkward. Lacked heart. Lacked alpha mentality. Lacked a midrange game. Lacked footwork. Lacked everything except a body and stats from imposing his unfair advantages in a stat padding mentality


Now he still has all those holes and doesnt even have the insane numbers anymore


So im saying guys like harden, curry, westrbook are better because they have the skills and alpha drive. Theyre trustworthy to lead a team in the playoffs more than lebron. And ontop of it all their stats now compare to lebrons and in some areas are better

So why the **** would anyone put lebron over them noww?????

-> Still has all those holes, doesn't even have the insane numbers anymore

Your logic is so flawed. How the fck is he putting up 26/7/6 when based off of what your saying he has no basketball skills?

And LMAO @ how desperate you are to push your agenda forward despite all evidence suggesting against it. "So im saying guys like harden, curry, westrbook are... trustworthy to lead a team in the playoffs more than lebron."

[Fire Colangelo]

He's 3rd in the MVP race... on a team that's 36-22 on pace for 51 wins (probably end up at around 55). Which seems about right, since Kobe was 3rd and 4th in the MVP race in seasons the Lakers had 42 and 45 wins respectively.

[iggy>]

Under the lebron criteria kobe might have won in 2003,2006,2007,2008,2009
Nash has more mvps than your idol :roll:

[Ca$H]

Nash has more mvps than your idol :roll:

Nash has the same amount as Shaq and Kobe combined. :confusedshrug:

[gts]

Not to add any credence to another Shitty thread by the OP

But


do we know how many ESPN writers/media members have an MVP vote?

[TheMarkMadsen]

Not to add any credence to another Shitty thread by the OP

But


do we know how many ESPN writers/media members have an MVP vote?


Brian Windhorst has an MVP vote

here is the list of MVP voters, most of them have some type of affiliation with ESPN even if it isn't listed as such.

example Bill Simmons wasn't listed as working for ESPN last year.

edit: forget to post the list

http://www.nba.com/media/050614-2013-14-Kia-MVP-Votes.pdf

[gts]

Brian Windhorst has an MVP vote

here is the list of MVP voters, most of them have some type of affiliation with ESPN even if it isn't listed as such.

example Bill Simmons wasn't listed as working for ESPN last year.

edit: forget to post the list

http://www.nba.com/media/050614-2013-14-Kia-MVP-Votes.pdf

cool thanks...

[knicksman]

Only betas care about MVPs. Espn STatnerds and lebron do. And seems like OP too.

[Smoke117]

Hey Kenneth:

Lebron - Four deserved MVP's

Kobe - One "you deserve this for your career" MVP

You mad bro?

[knicksman]

Hey Kenneth:

Lebron - Four deserved MVP's

Kobrick - One "you deserve this for your career" MVP

You mad bro?

kobe aint mad tho. coz he has 5 which is just equivalent to appearances for bran. I dont wanna talk about his rings tho

[Lebronxrings]

Kenny on suicide watch after tonights game. :oldlol:

[Keno]

kobe stans getting mad as fk cause lebron passed him on the all time list in 2009 and kobe can't do anything about it. :roll: stay salty nerd.

[knicksman]

kobe stans getting mad as fk cause lebron passed him on the all time list in 2009 and kobe can't do anything about it. :roll: stay salty nerd.


last time I checked. Bran was still 2/5

[DeuceWallaces]

Because he's the best and most valuable.

[Droid101]

kobe stans getting mad as fk cause lebron passed him on the all time list in 2009
:wtf:

[I<3NBA]

at no time has Kobe been the consensus best player in the NBA. even in his peak, someone always had an argument over him.

[LEFT4DEAD]

last time I checked. Bran was still 2/5
2/5>2/7 :confusedshrug:

[Prometheus]

Before all lebron had was stats. He was flawed. Not fundamental. Awkward. Lacked heart. Lacked alpha mentality. Lacked a midrange game. Lacked footwork. Lacked everything except a body and stats from imposing his unfair advantages in a stat padding mentality


Now he still has all those holes and doesnt even have the insane numbers anymore


So im saying guys like harden, curry, westrbook are better because they have the skills and alpha drive. Theyre trustworthy to lead a team in the playoffs more than lebron. And ontop of it all their stats now compare to lebrons and in some areas are better

So why the **** would anyone put lebron over them noww?????

Quite possibly the dumbest post I've ever read. You should be ashamed of yourself.

[T_L_P]

Under the lebron criteria kobe might have won in 2003,2006,2007,2008,2009


Duncan had better stats and the team record...and his defense was like 30 times better.

Any chance of Kobe winning MVP that year was lost when he lead his team to a 5-10 record without the alpha Shaq.

kenneth stays losing. :oldlol:

[WallIn]

Anthony Davis is NOT above Lebron James in the MVP rankings.

It's a 4-man race right now. Harden-Curry-James-Westbrook. Probably we gonna have some new winner for the sake of freshness, just like D-Rose in 2011.

[kshutts1]

:facepalm I wasn't referring to their MVP status. OP said they were better overall players, which they clearly aren't. Replace Lebron on the Cavs with any of those players and the Cavs have a much worse record.
Definitely not the best way to compare stars, as teams are generally built around stars. The team that is best suited to play with Lebron won't necessarily be the team best suited to play with AD or Harden or Curry etc.

[kshutts1]

As of right now, I'd have Harden, Cousins, Davis as my top 3 in the MVP race. In that order.

[ImKobe]

lol Lebron has had way more help and has played worse than Harden....


And I'm one of the biggest Harden haters on this forum...but you can't deny his impact and the record he's led his team to with Dwight Howard injured and the numbers he's put up.

[sd3035]

The NBA and ESPN are businesses who invested heavily in Lebron James, of course they're going to try to maximize their ROI