Why is Korver an All-Star?

[deja vu]

So role players can become All-Stars now? :oldlol:

[3peated]

dumb pick i agree

[Dr. Ice]

You just now found out that he was an all star?

[jbryan1984]

Cause he's on that flash in the pan team.

[deja vu]

You just now found out that he was an all star?
I knew about it a few days ago and I find it weird. He's a role player whose only great contribution is to shoot 3s. That's like Steve Kerr or Robert Horry becoming All-Stars.

[livingby3's]

yeah nba allstar Kyle Korver just doesn't feel right

[Milbuck]

People love the story. They want to believe so badly that he has the Dirk effect about him, where his game is so much more than his stats...but the reality is that he really is a role player. If you put him on any other team where the coaching isn't elite, the system isn't elite, his teammates don't fit his skills to a T...he's not sniffing the all star team. He's back to compete irrelevancy.

Knight should've been an all-star. He might not fit our team's needs but as an individual player he's a hell of a lot more suited for an AS game than Korver, and his abilities can translate anywhere. He's putting up the numbers, he's on a good team, and most importantly he can create like an all-star. He's not a system reliant player, he can make things happen himself. He wouldn't look lost out there like some of those guys do tonight.

[G-train]

He's not a system reliant player, he can make things happen himself. He wouldn't look lost out there like some of those guys do tonight.

What most fans just cannot grasp is that basketball is a system.
There are different mechanisms in the system, just because you dribble the ball around does not necessarily make you better.

7 threes and counting...

[G-train]

...but the reality is that he really is a role player.

On winning teams, every player is a role player.

[Prime_Shaq]

So much hate for Korver :lol Dude's having a historic shooting season and a straight up baller.. ya'll just hating because he's white

[SpecialQue]

Because all star selections actually mean anything...

[You Cant Ban Me]

People love the story. They want to believe so badly that he has the Dirk effect about him, where his game is so much more than his stats...but the reality is that he really is a role player. If you put him on any other team where the coaching isn't elite, the system isn't elite, his teammates don't fit his skills to a T...he's not sniffing the all star team. He's back to compete irrelevancy.

Knight should've been an all-star. He might not fit our team's needs but as an individual player he's a hell of a lot more suited for an AS game than Korver, and his abilities can translate anywhere. He's putting up the numbers, he's on a good team, and most importantly he can create like an all-star. He's not a system reliant player, he can make things happen himself. He wouldn't look lost out there like some of those guys do tonight.
Hold this L....bch

[Milbuck]

What most fans just cannot grasp is that basketball is a system.
There are different mechanisms in the system, just because you dribble the ball around does not necessarily make you better.

7 threes and counting...
But it can though. Being able to create offense for yourself absolutely can make you better than other players. There's a difference between guys like Steph Curry and Klay Thompson as offensive players. They can both shoot the lights out at comparable levels, but Curry shits on Klay as a ball handler and playmaker. Curry's game is infinitely more valuable and reliable offensively because of his surreal ability to create something out of nothing, whereas Klay at best as a creator is just good.

7 threes in a game with zero defense, creating nothing. You put Korver on a team like the current Kings, and he's totally irrelevant right now. You put Knight on any other team and he's still capable of making things happen, because his shot-creating ability is reliant only on itself, not coaching, a system, and teammates that play well around you. Korver didn't magically become an all-star, GOAT-tier shooter this season. He's just in the absolute perfect situation for his skills to manifest themselves into impact. But it does not make him an all star talent.

On winning teams, every player is a role player.
What is this even supposed to say? I mean of course everyone has their own role, therefore everyone technically is a role player...but it's like saying JJ Redick, Patty Mills, and Dirk Nowitzki are all shooters...it's true, but simplifying it like that means nothing. Go tell Lebron, Kobe, or Mike they're role players and see how they respond.

[Dr. Ice]

But it can though. Being able to create offense for yourself absolutely can make you better than other players. There's a difference between guys like Steph Curry and Klay Thompson as offensive players. They can both shoot the lights out at comparable levels, but Curry shits on Klay as a ball handler and playmaker. Curry's game is infinitely more valuable and reliable offensively because of his surreal ability to create something out of nothing, whereas Klay at best as a creator is just good.

7 threes in a game with zero defense, creating nothing. You put Korver on a team like the current Kings, and he's totally irrelevant right now. You put Knight on any other team and he's still capable of making things happen, because his shot-creating ability is reliant only on itself, not coaching, a system, and teammates that play well around you. Korver didn't magically become an all-star, GOAT-tier shooter this season. He's just in the absolute perfect situation for his skills to manifest themselves into impact. But it does not make him an all star talent.

What is this even supposed to say? I mean of course everyone has their own role, therefore everyone technically is a role player...but it's like saying JJ Redick, Patty Mills, and Dirk Nowitzki are all shooters...it's true, but simplifying it like that means nothing. Go tell Lebron, Kobe, or Mike they're role players and see how they respond.
I'll take korver on the hawks over knight on the hawks literally 100 times out of 100, despite knights amazing ability to be "reliant" on himself

[Milbuck]

I'll take korver on the hawks over knight on the hawks literally 100 times out of 100, despite knights amazing ability to be "reliant" on himself
And I'd take Knight on the Bucks 100 times out of 100 over Korver, even with how much I clown him here at times.

Literally all this is saying is that Korver fits perfectly on the Hawks, and Knight better on the Bucks. Means nothing about his all-star deservingness.

[fsvr54]

If Korver took all the shots Melo took, the East would have won.

[atljonesbro]

And I'd take Knight on the Bucks 100 times out of 100 over Korver, even with how much I clown him here at times.

Literally all this is saying is that Korver fits perfectly on the Hawks, and Knight better on the Bucks. Means nothing about his all-star deservingness.
He still has to go out there and play lol. You acting like he already has pre determined numbers.

[Milbuck]

He still has to go out there and play lol. You acting like he already has pre determined numbers.
I'm not. Korver is a sick, sick shooter and I'd love to have him on my team. But I just think acting like he's not benefiting immensely from the situation he's in is pretty unreasonable.

[Dr. Ice]

I'm not. Korver is a sick, sick shooter and I'd love to have him on my team. But I just think acting like he's not benefiting immensely from the situation he's in is pretty unreasonable.

We're benefitting from him, not the other way around.

[Thunderfan86]

I don't know, but the nikka made like 17 three pointers

[Milbuck]

We're benefitting from him, not the other way around.
So Korver could replicate what he's doing on any other team in the league?

Kinda makes you wonder why he hasn't sniffed 50/50/90 any year of his 12 year career but this year, at almost 34.

[iamgine]

There's really no single definition of who should make all star. It's not about who's better. Current Kobe could've made it over Anthony Davis due to fame and it would be 100% justified.

In that sense, why shouldn't Korver be? He's playing great, his team is on top and he's putting up historic numbers. It's not like he's there for no reason at all.

[Hotlantadude81]

Brandon Knight isn't that good.

[Milbuck]

There's really no single definition of who should make all star. It's not about who's better. Current Kobe could've made it over Anthony Davis due to fame and it would be 100% justified.

In that sense, why shouldn't Korver be? He's playing great, his team is on top and he's putting up historic numbers. It's not like he's there for no reason at all.The Bucks are on pace to improve by 31 wins, from the worst team in the league, to playoff team 2.5 games behind HCA. The Hawks deserve a ton of respect, and 2-3 all stars is understandable. But 4 for them and zero for MIL is ridiculous imo. Especially when ATL is the prime example of elite team basketball, as opposed to a team that wins by overwhelming talent.

[deja vu]

He does nothing special except shoot threes at high accuracy. That doesn't make you an All-Star.

[Heavincent]

He's a hell of a lot better than Melo. That's for sure.

[ralph_i_el]

He's an all star because his shooting ability bends defenses every second he's on the floor. He doesn't need to even touch the ball ONCE to make a play possible for his teammates. He's the best diversion in the league and the best spot up shooter.

Korver is a weapon that makes so many other things possible on the court. He's guarded so tightly because otherwise he'd drop 30ppg on spot up shots. The fact that you need to guard him so diligently allows his coach to put him into actions that make easy buckets for his team.

[ralph_i_el]

So Korver could replicate what he's doing on any other team in the league?

Kinda makes you wonder why he hasn't sniffed 50/50/90 any year of his 12 year career but this year, at almost 34.
he shot 53.6 and 47.2% from 3 before for a season.

[Dr. Ice]

So Korver could replicate what he's doing on any other team in the league?

Kinda makes you wonder why he hasn't sniffed 50/50/90 any year of his 12 year career but this year, at almost 34.
I believe that's more likely to happen than someone replicating what he's done for us, yes. Also, it's not like he hasn't shot this well from 3 before.

And unlike other older players, he continues to improve as he ages.

[DMV2]

21 points, all 3's

Well deserved allstar selection :applause:

[Richesly]

Yes, why did the guy who played the 2nd best on the eastern team make the all-star game?

Crazy.

[chosen_one6]

Korver is having an amazing year and deserves consideration.

However, let's be real...he's not an all-star. He's not even a star in the league. He's just in a good situation.

[GrapeApe]

I was flipping between the allstar game and the SNL special and it seemed like every time I went back to the game Korver hit a 3.

[tomtucker]

He does nothing special except shoot threes at high accuracy. That doesn't make you an All-Star.
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shooting threes at high accuracy does make you an All-Star, because only a select few can do it

[Bosnian Sajo]

Korver is having an amazing year and deserves consideration.

However, let's be real...he's not an all-star. He's not even a star in the league. He's just in a good situation.

The league isn't the same as it was in 2009, 3pt shooting is the biggest asset to have atm. Korver, being the best 3pt shooter in the NBA, of course deserves to be an all-star.

Look at this years game as proof, nikkas would rather wet a three than take it hard to the paint.

[J Shuttlesworth]

50/50/90
Spreads the floor like crazy
Forces coaches to have to plan for him
Decent defender
Took Hibbert's soul

Not to mention he was the 2nd best player on the floor tonight in the East. He just showed you why he's an all star

[bigkingsfan]

He's not an All-Star, he's a Superstar.

[The Red Viper]

In an era where three point shooting is arguably the most lethal weapon, why shouldn't Kyle Korver, who is the best shooter in the league alongside Steph Curry, be an all-star?

[G-train]

But it can though. Being able to create offense for yourself absolutely can make you better than other players. There's a difference between guys like Steph Curry and Klay Thompson as offensive players. They can both shoot the lights out at comparable levels, but Curry shits on Klay as a ball handler and playmaker. Curry's game is infinitely more valuable and reliable offensively because of his surreal ability to create something out of nothing, whereas Klay at best as a creator is just good.

7 threes in a game with zero defense, creating nothing. You put Korver on a team like the current Kings, and he's totally irrelevant right now. You put Knight on any other team and he's still capable of making things happen, because his shot-creating ability is reliant only on itself, not coaching, a system, and teammates that play well around you. Korver didn't magically become an all-star, GOAT-tier shooter this season. He's just in the absolute perfect situation for his skills to manifest themselves into impact. But it does not make him an all star talent.

What is this even supposed to say? I mean of course everyone has their own role, therefore everyone technically is a role player...but it's like saying JJ Redick, Patty Mills, and Dirk Nowitzki are all shooters...it's true, but simplifying it like that means nothing. Go tell Lebron, Kobe, or Mike they're role players and see how they respond.

You said he shouldn't be an allstar... by 7 threes and counting I mean that he showed he belonged. I much preferred that than watching Knight try to throw alley oops and dribble around.

I still don't think you understand it. Every player's success is about the players and coaching and administration around them.
Shot creation isn't a one on one skill in the NBA, it still requires spacing and timing, and usually a play call as well.
There is 40 Brandon Knights in the NBA. In fact, most backup point guards when given high minutes and usage, do what Brandon Knight does. 15-18 points and 5 assists with 3 turnovers. I don't care that he can create his shot, so can Will Barton.

there is ONE KYLE KORVER BABY

[WillC]

Some might say that Kyle Korver is having the greatest shooting season in NBA history. Doesn't that deserve an All-Star spot? Especially when you factor in that he's doing it for one of the best teams in the League.

Nobody complained when Ben Wallace was an All-Star.

Korver is to shooting what Wallace was to defense.

[TheMarkMadsen]

because he's the best in the world at what he does

[Young X]

He has a 73 TS% (#1 all time) this season . I don't think people realize how ridiculous that is and how much of a positive impact he's having on Atlanta's offense. Yes, he's a somewhat limited role player but there haven't many players in history better at their role than Korver this year. His shooting is basically equivalent to Rodman's 18 RPG seasons in terms of impressiveness.

[Bigsmoke]

I agree. Dude not even half as good as Toni Kukoc and he wasnt an All Star

[WillC]

He has a 73 TS% (#1 all time) this season . I don't think people realize how ridiculous that is and how much of a positive impact he's having on Atlanta's offense. Yes, he's a somewhat limited role player but there haven't many players in history better at their role than Korver this year. His shooting is basically equivalent to Rodman's 18 RPG seasons in terms of impressiveness.

Well said.

Some people just don't get it.

[Human Error]

Korver deserves a spot. He is having the best shooting season in history, and shooting and floor spacing were never more important than now. The way he attracts the opposing defense and opens up the floor for his teammates is sheer craziness. I agree that there are several others guys who could have taken his spot in Brandon Knight, Andre Drummond, Greg Monroe, Nikola Vucevic, but none of their stories are more appealing than Korver's.

[Budadiiii]

Anthony Morrow > Korver

Korver's shooting %'s will take a humungous dip in the playoffs when defense actually focuses on stopping him.

He'll go from shooting 50% from 3 to like 32%.... it's gonna be very sad

[tomSR.]

Anthony Morrow > Korver

Korver's shooting %'s will take a humungous dip in the playoffs when defense actually focuses on stopping him.

He'll go from shooting 50% from 3 to like 32%.... it's gonna be very sad

but then he will just pass to teague or horford for the jam ......he is a threat either way, and chicago was dumb for letting him go

[roffie]

brandon knight should have got it.. robbed

[roffie]

Anthony Morrow > Korver

Korver's shooting %'s will take a humungous dip in the playoffs when defense actually focuses on stopping him.

He'll go from shooting 50% from 3 to like 32%.... it's gonna be very sad

teams would much rather have their d focused on horford/milsap/teague in the playoffs. korver should be last priority

[HurricaneKid]

Anthony Morrow > Korver

Korver's shooting %'s will take a humungous dip in the playoffs when defense actually focuses on stopping him.

He'll go from shooting 50% from 3 to like 32%.... it's gonna be very sad

Well if they are doubling Korver at 26 feet ATL will GUT the other team. And thats why KK is an All-Star. Because pulling multiple defenders out to 25 ft is as valuable as anyone on ball.

And why would you want the 24 highest usage players? What good is another slasher when there are 4 other guys on the court who can already do that? Why wouldn't you want the shooting specialist that is doing things no one has ever done before? Why wouldn't you want a player that can pull the defense away from the basket?

[ralph_i_el]

Anthony Morrow > Korver

Korver's shooting %'s will take a humungous dip in the playoffs when defense actually focuses on stopping him.

He'll go from shooting 50% from 3 to like 32%.... it's gonna be very sad

He's already getting chased around all game. The entire point is that he forces the defense to focus on him because of his shooting. That's why he's so good.


oh wait, I just noticed who I'm quoting. You're an idiot, have a nice day.

[Funnyfuka]

token white guy , suposed to be a bird like shooter...They need one token guy from every origin to appeal to the masses and make as much money as possible. Pure marketing.
They needed some white to put into the whole blackedness of it all, as simple as that.

[Richesly]

token white guy , suposed to be a bird like shooter...They need one token guy from every origin to appeal to the masses and make as much money as possible. Pure marketing.
They needed some white to put into the whole blackedness of it all, as simple as that.

Too bad Korver is a way better shooter than Bird ever was.

[GrapeApe]

Too bad Korver is a way better shooter than Bird ever was.

Hyperbole much? Korver's a great shooter but comparing him to a guy who was the focal point of every defense is stupid. Korver would have trouble just getting shots off in Bird's role, much less making them at an efficient clip.

[Richesly]

Hyperbole much? Korver's a great shooter but comparing him to a guy who was the focal point of every defense is stupid. Korver would have trouble just getting shots off in Bird's role, much less making them at an efficient clip.

Bird was playing during a shorten 3 point line and still shot less than 30% in a season.

KK is a better three point shooter than Bird. Bird is just better at everything else.

[toneloc103]

He has a 73 TS% (#1 all time) this season . I don't think people realize how ridiculous that is and how much of a positive impact he's having on Atlanta's offense. Yes, he's a somewhat limited role player but there haven't many players in history better at their role than Korver this year. His shooting is basically equivalent to Rodman's 18 RPG seasons in terms of impressiveness.


You are going too far... just stop...He is a great shooter we all agree. However just like the dunks, these were wide open shots. Look at the final score. No defense was played at all. He does not hit 7 threes every game. I am not surre if he even averages 5 attempts. Lets not oveblow this. he did not deserve to be an all star.

[oarabbus]

You are going too far... just stop...He is a great shooter we all agree. However just like the dunks, these were wide open shots. Look at the final score. No defense was played at all. He does not hit 7 threes every game. I am not surre if he even averages 5 attempts. Lets not oveblow this. he did not deserve to be an all star.

He averages 6 3pt attempts a game and hits 3 of them... that's pretty good. By "pretty good" I mean that has never been achieved before in NBA history.

[toneloc103]

He averages 6 3pt attempts a game and hits 3 of them... that's pretty good. By "pretty good" I mean that has never been achieved before in NBA history.

sarcasm works ...smh.. I stand corrected. Not denying he is a great shooter. Just not an all star in my opinion.

[oarabbus]

sarcasm works ...smh.. I stand corrected. Not denying he is a great shooter. Just not an all star in my opinion.


I feel it, but... that's the 2015 Eastern Conference for you.

[Showtime80']

Richely you do realize that the only years the 3 point line has been shortened was from 1995 to 1997 right? Every other year since 1980 has been exactly the same.

And put Bird in the same role as Korver and see if he couldn't match or better his percentage. Bird was the focus of ENTIRE defenses. By the same standards you could say that decoys like Robert Horry, Steve Kerr and Graig Hodges were better shooters than Bird which is ridiculous!

[atljonesbro]

Richely you do realize that the only years the 3 point line has been shortened was from 1995 to 1997 right? Every other year since 1980 has been exactly the same.

And put Bird in the same role as Korver and see if he couldn't match or better his percentage. Bird was the focus of ENTIRE defenses. By the same standards you could say that decoys like Robert Horry, Steve Kerr and Graig Hodges were better shooters than Bird which is ridiculous!
Why do people wanna bring up guys like Kerr and Hodves to compare to Korver when Korver shoots way more 3s than them? He's pretty clearly far superior to them. Korver is easily the best 3 pt specialist ever and i don't think you can argue against that.

[Showtime80']

Kerr and Hodges also didn't play in the soft zone/3 pointer happy league like Korver does!

I understand his value in TODAY'S NBA but let's not over do it

[Demon Lizard]

Why do people wanna bring up guys like Kerr and Hodves to compare to Korver when Korver shoots way more 3s than them? He's pretty clearly far superior to them. Korver is easily the best 3 pt specialist ever and i don't think you can argue against that.

Well, we don't really know Korver's clutchness though. Kerr has been clutch on the biggest stage of all and has like 4 or 5 rings (yes, he was on better teams, but regardless we know he is clutch and we don't know if Korver is or not).

[Hotlantadude81]

Anthony Morrow > Korver

Korver's shooting %'s will take a humungous dip in the playoffs when defense actually focuses on stopping him.

He'll go from shooting 50% from 3 to like 32%.... it's gonna be very sad

Well, it didn't happen last year.

The hawks had Anthony Morrow and he made no impact on this team.

[JohnnyBravo5]

The Bucks are on pace to improve by 31 wins, from the worst team in the league, to playoff team 2.5 games behind HCA. The Hawks deserve a ton of respect, and 2-3 all stars is understandable. But 4 for them and zero for MIL is ridiculous imo. Especially when ATL is the prime example of elite team basketball, as opposed to a team that wins by overwhelming talent.

Its an easier jump from bad to mediocre than from mediocre to elite.

[GoSpursGo1984]

Kover is averaging 4 rebounds and 2 assists a game it seems people are overrating shooting and making him look like a better player then he is.

[Eric Cartman]

it seems people are overrating shooting and making him look like a better player then he is.

How can you overate 50/50/90? :confusedshrug:

[GoSpursGo1984]

How can you overate 50/50/90? :confusedshrug:

That is just shooting there is more to being a good player then shooting like rebounding,assists and defense.