Bulls and Thibs relationship "beyond repair"

[christian1923]

http://mweb.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25006122/report-tom-thibodeaus-relationship-with-bulls-management-beyond-repair

He gone

This guys gonna get a job the day he's fired

Okc?

[hawksdogsbraves]

Jim Harbaugh 2.0 :eek:

Where did Thibs go to college?

[christian1923]

Jim Harbaugh 2.0 :eek:

Where did Thibs go to college?
Lol he ain't going to college

Bulls would be making a huge mistake just like the 9ers did

[Genaro]

I hope Jim and Mitch already have his agent number.

[christian1923]

I hope Jim and Mitch already have his agent number.
How many coaches are they already paying right now? :lol

[mattvNJ]

Jim Harbaugh 2.0 :eek:

Where did Thibs go to college?

Salem St. He isnt going back there lol... Hes staying in the NBA. if hes fire no average-solid coach is safe. Theyd be dropped in a second to get the results Thibs gets.

[ProfessorMurder]

Simmons said it's partially because the front office/owners are listening to the yoga/trainer lady telling them how many minutes guys can play. Thibs wants to run his team and they're not letting him.

[RightTwoCensor]

Goodbye McHale

[Roundball_Rock]

Huge mistake if they fire him. :(

[sportsfan76]

Goodbye McHale


McHale is not going anywhere Mongo

[Real Men Wear Green]

Simmons said it's partially because the front office/owners are listening to the yoga/trainer lady telling them how many minutes guys can play. Thibs wants to run his team and they're not letting him.
I could believe this. There's only one criticism of Thibs as a coach that I can think of, the possibility that he's overworking players. Of course overworked athletes is what the history of pro sport is built on.

[ProfessorMurder]

I could believe this. There's only one criticism of Thibs as a coach that I can think of, the possibility that he's overworking players. Of course overworked athletes is what the history of pro sport is built on.
True, but it's not like the players are complaining. Thibs is right, guys like Duncan and MJ played monster minutes and were fine.

Simmons said they hired the lady last season and it started then. She's just gaining more and more say in things, trying to tell them guys can't go at all certain games.

[They Won]

Goodbye McHale

He just signed an extension last summer. Rockets are stuck with him for a while.

[Real Men Wear Green]

True, but it's not like the players are complaining. Thibs is right, guys like Duncan and MJ played monster minutes and were fine.

Simmons said they hired the lady last season and it started then. She's just gaining more and more say in things, trying to tell them guys can't go at all certain games.
And that's what therapists are going to say. Pro athletes do things tp their bodies that wear down their bodies. Every guy that had a long career has nagging injuries.

Of course the same thing can hapen to you if you work as a mover with the difference being no one knows who you are and you don't have a million in the bank.

[Rolando]

Getting rid of Thibs would be among the most stupid moves ever. That guy is easily one of the top two or three coaches in existence. Bulls would be going full retard at that point.

[BigTicket]

Firing Thibs would be insane, he's one of the best coaches in the league. I'd love to have him on the Cavs, though I very much doubt that would happen.

[Ball So Harden]

Goodbye McHale

I wish.

[christian1923]

Getting rid of Thibs would be among the most stupid moves ever. That guy is easily one of the top two or three coaches in existence. Bulls would be going full retard at that point.
Same thing people in the Nfl were saying about the 49ers. Rich people can't put their egos aside.

[SwishSquared]

Tibs would get scooped up by lots of teams, even with the overworking of his players, I think. Even teams with coaches on multi year deals should make a play for him, if they view it as an upgrade. I could see him wanting to coach somebody he's familiar with from Team USA (Thibs to NOP anyone?). Also, would the Bulls seriously let him go without draft compensation? If so, that's really short sighted imo. Gibson, Noah, and Rose would all be against this decision, and for good reason.

But Thibs should understand how detrimental the heavy mins are in a league where the smart teams are reducing guys' workloads. It's OK, imo, to play guys heavy mins when other teams are also playing their best guys similar minutes. However, with the shift to a long-term view of players' health, overworking dudes is just putting them at a disadvantage. The "Pop Plan" has kept Duncan effective and playing at a high level after the whole org deemed that the best course of action for a guy who carried a heavy load for years (and that's standard for their team now). Windhorst floated it out there that LBJ is probs gonna do a similar thing now.

[Genaro]

How many coaches are they already paying right now? :lol
No one good anyway. :confusedshrug:
Money doesn't seem to be a problem.

[Maestro33]

The difference with the "backing it off" plan is that those others have won something. You can't back off the gas until you have achieved something. At least a finals visit. We aren't good enough to be taking it easy and we haven't re-established our identity. I think Bulls management is absolutely content with mediocrity. I can't fathom why but it sure seems that way.

Either way if they get rid of Thibs I can't see why I'd ever watch another game. As a fan how can we take this management seriously. Enough is enough.

[nathanjizzle]

there is a discord between thibs and the front office, but its not enough to fire him nor do i think they are dumb enough to fire thibs.

[Dengness9]

I like Simmons but he doesn't know the half of it. He is far from being a Bulls insider. It's whatever.:sleeping

[They Won]

there is a discord between thibs and the front office, but its not enough to fire him nor do i think they are dumb enough to fire thibs.

But what if they are.

[nathanjizzle]

But what if they are.

then i suspect rose and noah will be furious and demand trades. rose to lakers and noah to Cleveland.

[gts]

Thibs is the best thing that happened to the Bulls in a long time, can't believe the front office would be this dumb so I'm going to go out on a limb and say the article is blowing things out of proportion

[IncarceratedBob]

He runs his teams into the ground, he needs to learn that the regular season is meaningless. His teams are never winning anything when their legs are gone by the All Star break

[lilteapot]

Yeah right lol. I'm willing to bet this report is BS.

[sportjames23]

How many coaches are they already paying right now? :lol


:oldlol:

[smoovegittar]

I don't buy it. But this OLD team better makes some noise in the playoffs.

[kshutts1]

I never, ever, bought the "run them in to the ground" line of thinking.

These guys are professional athletes. Paid a hefty sum to keep their bodies in working order. They're almost literally paid to stay healthy and in shape. God forbid they have to try hard for 40 of 48 minutes every two days. Man, that must suck. Here I am, 30 years old, busting my butt working 80+ hours a week with almost nothing to show for it.

Fact is, either your body can take the pounding (mine can) or it can't. Minutes don't really matter in that equation.

For anyone that says the "Pop plan" is the way to go, consider this...
Kareem's minutes in a season, ages 35+:
2500
2600
2600
2600
2400
2300
1700

And Duncan's, for 35+...
1600
2100
2200
and this season, averaging 30mpg. Would equate out to 2400 for a whole season.

Age to age, give me Kareem. And one was babied while one was not. I know that's too small a sample to be true evidence, but come on.

[D-FENS]

Getting rid of Thibs would be among the most stupid moves ever. That guy is easily one of the top two or three coaches in existence. Bulls would be going full retard at that point.

I agree. Get rid of that fat **** Forman

[FLDFSU]

Although not nearly as successful...Thibs and Bulls is like Harbaugh and 49ers. Thibs should be fine.

[raprap]

Future Laker coach. The new era has began. :applause:

[red1]

LOL at the bulls if true. Who would they even replace him with?

[knicksman]

LOL thibs is overrated. They win by defense and giving 100% effort. Most teams have their second gear in the playoffs while thibs doesnt. Thats why his teams gets always exposed in the playoffs and most of them are already injured.

[I<3NBA]

I never, ever, bought the "run them in to the ground" line of thinking.

These guys are professional athletes. Paid a hefty sum to keep their bodies in working order. They're almost literally paid to stay healthy and in shape. God forbid they have to try hard for 40 of 48 minutes every two days. Man, that must suck. Here I am, 30 years old, busting my butt working 80+ hours a week with almost nothing to show for it.

Fact is, either your body can take the pounding (mine can) or it can't. Minutes don't really matter in that equation.

going hard every game is ok. but practice? Thibs is a damn fool. the body needs rest every now and then.

if i'm the Bulls, they shouldn't fire Thibs but relegate him to assistant coach. Then get someone decent on the offensive side.

[poido123]

It's amazing how many posters would poke at Thibs about his in game decisions, rotations and burning players into the ground, yet the moment the Bulls look to fire him he's suddenly a great coach without flaws.


:oldlol:


You can't have it both ways. He's had a good 5 years as coach of the Bulls and has proven to be both stubborn and inflexible.


I welcome a change AT THE END OF THE SEASON, provided that he is replaced by a very competent coach.

We have to keep him if the only option is to replace him with a bonehead like Mike Brown.

[DukeDelonte13]

LOL thibs is overrated. They win by defense and giving 100% effort. Most teams have their second gear in the playoffs while thibs doesnt. Thats why his teams gets always exposed in the playoffs and most of them are already injured.


How many teams have Thib's bulls exposed in the playoffs?


Such a stupid post. Thib's teams typically overachieve. You say getting a team to play defense and play 100% is some easy thing that every coach can do.

90% of NBA players are spoiled assholes that do not give a sh*t about the concept of team. Thib's bulls are a team in the truest sense of the word.

The FO undermining him is ludicrous.


Who would even replace Thibs? Some sh*tty retread like Gentry or George Karl?

[navy]

How many teams have Thib's bulls exposed in the playoffs?


Such a stupid post. Thib's teams typically overachieve. You say getting a team to play defense and play 100% is some easy thing that every coach can do.

90% of NBA players are spoiled assholes that do not give a sh*t about the concept of team. Thib's bulls are a team in the truest sense of the word.

The FO undermining him is ludicrous.


Who would even replace Thibs? Some sh*tty retread like Gentry or George Karl?
Bulls should offer large amounts of money to Gentry to assistant coach the offense.

[sportsfan76]

Anything less than the ECF and thibbs got to go

[DukeDelonte13]

Bulls should offer large amounts of money to Gentry to assistant coach the offense.



I really really really disagree with this notion that getting an offense to run smoothly is just as simple as flipping a switch.

It's like when MB was coaching the cavs and people assumed that the times when they would revert to ISO ball it was all MB's fault.. Forget the fact that all 3 of the cavs primary ball handlers were shoot first isolation players... Forget the fact that the offense ran fine outside of the final minutes of the fourth... it was all somehow MB's fault, like he literally tells Kyrie, "hey, why don't you just f*ck it and dribble down the clock and take a contested J"


Same sh*t with the Bulls. D-Rose can be a real knucklehead when it comes to decision making. His specialty is isolation. He wants to isolate and burn his guy and get to the rack. It's not Thibs telling rose to jack up a bad shot or go 1 v. 5, it's rose being rose.

what's important is instilling and drilling in a defensive system that works consistently. Thibs has done that. Other coaches have modeled their defense after thibs. Getting a team to play consistent defense is the biggest challenge a coach faces IMO.

[navy]

I really really really disagree with this notion that getting an offense to run smoothly is just as simple as flipping a switch.

It's like when MB was coaching the cavs and people assumed that the times when they would revert to ISO ball it was all MB's fault.. Forget the fact that all 3 of the cavs primary ball handlers were shoot first isolation players... Forget the fact that the offense ran fine outside of the final minutes of the fourth... it was all somehow MB's fault, like he literally tells Kyrie, "hey, why don't you just f*ck it and dribble down the clock and take a contested J"


Same sh*t with the Bulls. D-Rose can be a real knucklehead when it comes to decision making. His specialty is isolation. He wants to isolate and burn his guy and get to the rack. It's not Thibs telling rose to jack up a bad shot or go 1 v. 5, it's rose being rose.

what's important is instilling and drilling in a defensive system that works consistently. Thibs has done that. Other coaches have modeled their defense after thibs. Getting a team to play consistent defense is the biggest challenge a coach faces IMO.

It is. Watch the Warriors this year and the Warriors last year. Night and day on offense. Crazy if people think it was Steve Kerr who did this. It's clearly Alvin Gentry who was hired to assist the Rookie Coach on offense. He's proven. He made the Clippers the best offense in the nba last year as well. Before that he was running great offense with the suns after the Dantoni era.

MB wasnt necessarily resorting to iso ball, but his sets were basic so when the defense blew them up the players were forced to create. It's not really what the stars are doing with the ball, it's what the other players are doing. You dont want random cuts to the basket, you want designed cuts and player movement. You want off the ball screens from the other side of the court for seemingly no reason. You want to recognize your players strengths and weaknesses. Spacing and movement is the name of the game these days.

Some people have the talent for offense. Some dont. And it's obvious early on regardless of what the players are doing.

The Bulls offense is terrible without Rose. So that is not an excuse. Just watch what the Bulls players did last year or two years ago. Worst offense in the league? That's coaching.

Thibs changed the entire defensive landscape, but it's time he stole the offense that other teams use. Alvin Gentry can help with that. That way you get the best of both worlds.

They dont need Gentry persay, I just bring his name up because he has been shown he can do it with multiple teams in single years now. My go to offensive coordinator.
Great piece describing his impact. http://blogs.mercurynews.com/warriors/2014/10/01/kerrs-braintrust-getting-to-know-alvin-gentry-and-ron-adams/

Just saw the Cavs could have gotten Gentry as head coach. Huge mistake not pairing him with the Rookie Blatt.

[deja vu]

Getting rid of Thibs would be among the most stupid moves ever. That guy is easily one of the top two or three coaches in existence. Bulls would be going full retard at that point.
Thibs is good but "top 2-3 coaches in existence"?

A tad exaggerated considering he hasn't won 1 title much less a Finals appearance.

[sportsfan76]

Thibs is good but "top 2-3 coaches in existence"?

A tad exaggerated considering he hasn't won 1 title much less a Finals appearance.


Thibbs is A$$. Bulls lost to the Lakers:roll:

[JohnFreeman]

He will be the most sought out coach in a while

[sportsfan76]

He will be the most sought out coach in a while


Why? What the f*ck has he accomplished?

[triangleoffense]

lol gtfo? Chicago listening to a yoga/physical therapist over thibs? All a PT can do is help with injuries they have no idea how to manage minutes like a coach does.

[poido123]

Don't mind if he leaves. Maybe this team needs a new voice, and spark. He's too rough on day to day basis. Burns guys outside. Isnt' adaptable. Can't stay even keel. Stubborn. Maximizes potential in regular season, that's it.


I'm fed up with him.

Running players into the ground and totally incompetent with in game adjustments and trusting all his players.


After playing mirotic 12 minutes, he benches him for the rest of the game.

Snell was playing ok, and didnt bring him back until garbage minutes of overtime.


Totally clueless.


Most fustrating team to watch because our coach doesn't know any other gear other than hard out defense.


I want him fired at the end of the season. I'm done with him

[T_L_P]

I never, ever, bought the "run them in to the ground" line of thinking.

These guys are professional athletes. Paid a hefty sum to keep their bodies in working order. They're almost literally paid to stay healthy and in shape. God forbid they have to try hard for 40 of 48 minutes every two days. Man, that must suck. Here I am, 30 years old, busting my butt working 80+ hours a week with almost nothing to show for it.

Fact is, either your body can take the pounding (mine can) or it can't. Minutes don't really matter in that equation.

For anyone that says the "Pop plan" is the way to go, consider this...
Kareem's minutes in a season, ages 35+:
2500
2600
2600
2600
2400
2300
1700

And Duncan's, for 35+...
1600
2100
2200
and this season, averaging 30mpg. Would equate out to 2400 for a whole season.

Age to age, give me Kareem. And one was babied while one was not. I know that's too small a sample to be true evidence, but come on.

Kareem is a much better/greater player, you fcking nub. :facepalm

Anyway, I hope this stuff isn't true. I really like Thibs, even if he does go overboard with the minutes.

[Lebron23]

Don't mind if he leaves. Maybe this team needs a new voice, and spark. He's too rough on day to day basis. Burns guys outside. Isnt' adaptable. Can't stay even keel. Stubborn. Maximizes potential in regular season, that's it.


I completely agree.

[Cocaine80s]

Is he good?
Can Cleveland get him?

[Heavincent]

This seems pretty similar to the Harbaugh/49ers situation, although I feel Harbaugh is definitely a better coach relative to his sport. Thibs is very good, but he definitely has his flaws.

[Lebron23]

Is he good?
Can Cleveland get him?


No, Thanks

[poido123]

This seems pretty similar to the Harbaugh/49ers situation, although I feel Harbaugh is definitely a better coach relative to his sport. Thibs is very good, but he definitely has his flaws.



His flaws are strong enough to weigh down the Bulls from performing at their best.



Like, where is our inside/outside game with the good passers we have on our team?


Who is holding Rose accountable for his excessive 3s and stupid decisions?



Thibs is fool's gold.

[dunksby]

Wish teams could trade coaches :lol

[navy]

Wish teams could trade coaches :lol
They can.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9415256/los-angeles-clippers-agree-principle-doc-rivers-deal-sources

[poido123]

Wish teams could trade coaches :lol



We are better off with a coke can as coach than Scott Brooks...


f.ck that guy

[JohnFreeman]

Thibs to SAC

[RonSwanson]

Why? What the f*ck has he accomplished?

:biggums:

Oh I dunno, putting out top 5 defenses like your mom takes the D and averaging 51+ wins per year without the team's franchise player for half of those years.

[SwishSquared]

I'm fed up with him.

Running players into the ground and totally incompetent with in game adjustments and trusting all his players.


After playing mirotic 12 minutes, he benches him for the rest of the game.

Snell was playing ok, and didnt bring him back until garbage minutes of overtime.


Totally clueless.


Most fustrating team to watch because our coach doesn't know any other gear other than hard out defense.


I want him fired at the end of the season. I'm done with him
If he's still under contract, why not simply trade him to a team like SAC in exchange for removing their protections on this year's first round pick before the draft? Could put Bulls in position to draft a wing like Hezonja, based on Draft Express projections, then they can use their other first (have right to swap picks with CLE) to take a rotation big (since it seems they may need a Noah contingency plan for D), perhaps, or go for BPA. I mean you gotta maximize assets...

[dunksby]

They can.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9415256/los-angeles-clippers-agree-principle-doc-rivers-deal-sources
Brooks to CHI
Thibs to OKC :rockon:

We are better off with a coke can as coach than Scott Brooks...


f.ck that guy
When you want a top 3 coach gone, arguably second best, you deserve to get Brooks.

[poido123]

Brooks to CHI
Thibs to OKC :rockon:

When you want a top 3 coach gone, arguably second best, you deserve to get Brooks.


If regular season wins is what you want, Thibs is your guy.


I'm sorry, but I think the Bulls team and it's fans hold higher expectations than that.


I think it's more fustrating when you have a coach that fool's everybody into thinking he is leading our team to a championship.

At least with a suck coach, you know what you're looking at.

[poido123]

If he's still under contract, why not simply trade him to a team like SAC in exchange for removing their protections on this year's first round pick before the draft? Could put Bulls in position to draft a wing like Hezonja, based on Draft Express projections, then they can use their other first (have right to swap picks with CLE) to take a rotation big (since it seems they may need a Noah contingency plan for D), perhaps, or go for BPA. I mean you gotta maximize assets...



An in season trade would almost kill our chances at winning this year.

If we can perform a coach trade in the offseason? I'm all for it.

[Odinn]

So Bulls management gives up on Thibs instead of a ***** "super"star? Idiots.

[SwishSquared]

An in season trade would almost kill our chances at winning this year.

If we can perform a coach trade in the offseason? I'm all for it.
That's what I was saying- trade him in offseason before draft. I believe he still has 2 more years after this season under contract. You already own a Kings first (top 10 protected), so get them to remove the protections. Trade him there in offseason instead of firing him or a mutual agreement to allow him to leave to coach another NBA team.

[JohnFreeman]

That's what I was saying- trade him in offseason before draft. I believe he still has 2 more years after this season under contract. You already own a Kings first (top 10 protected), so get them to remove the protections. Trade him there in offseason instead of firing him or a mutual agreement to allow him to leave to coach another NBA team.
Yeah...no

[SwishSquared]

Yeah...no
From a SAC, it isn't sensible, unless they won't let him out of contract and Vivek decides he *must* have him. Let's be honest, Vivek's judgement is to be questioned in basketball matters until he proves otherwise, and I wouldn't be shocked if he wants to get Thibs + throw a huge contract at him. I'm speaking from a Bulls' standpoint- why let him out of contract or fire him (wasting money on a good coach you don't want anymore) when you can trade him for value?

[JohnFreeman]

From a SAC, it isn't sensible, unless they won't let him out of contract and Vivek decides he *must* have him. Let's be honest, Vivek's judgement is to be questioned in basketball matters until he proves otherwise, and I wouldn't be shocked if he wants to get Thibs + throw a huge contract at him. I'm speaking from a Bulls' standpoint- why let him out of contract or fire him (wasting money on a good coach you don't want anymore) when you can trade him for value?
I think George Karl is interested anyway

[poido123]

So Bulls management gives up on Thibs instead of a ***** "super"star? Idiots.


Thibs has to go after this season.


The team isn't functioning and hasn't functioned properly on his watch for 5 years...


Great defensive mind, but lacks in just about every other area of basketball.

[dunksby]

If regular season wins is what you want, Thibs is your guy.


I'm sorry, but I think the Bulls team and it's fans hold higher expectations than that.


I think it's more fustrating when you have a coach that fool's everybody into thinking he is leading our team to a championship.

At least with a suck coach, you know what you're looking at.
Durant misses half the games and OKC is not even in the playoffs, Rose practically missed three seasons and Chicago still won 50+ and remained very competitive. He hasn't had his franchise player and MVP for a long time why are you turning on a proven coach? :eek: :wtf:

[BIZARRO]

Seriously, if there is one more box score where Kirk Hinrich plays more minutes than Taj Gibson....and has a classic Hinrich I'm 34, done, was never good anyway, I mean I completely suck but Thibs plays me because he loves blue collar work ethic boxscore like tonight 27 minutes 2 points 1 assist on 1-4 shooting, with BY FAR the worst plus/minus on the team at -16, then I am starting to think I want Thibs gone.

I mean when your rotation continually sucks with crap like that, you are costing your team games flat out.

Just so frustrating and stupid and stubborn and moronic.

Again, no coincidence the Bulls played their best ball of the season by far with Hinrich out.

[knicksman]

How many teams have Thib's bulls exposed in the playoffs?


Such a stupid post. Thib's teams typically overachieve. You say getting a team to play defense and play 100% is some easy thing that every coach can do.

90% of NBA players are spoiled assholes that do not give a sh*t about the concept of team. Thib's bulls are a team in the truest sense of the word.

The FO undermining him is ludicrous.


Who would even replace Thibs? Some sh*tty retread like Gentry or George Karl?

LOL overachieve in the regular season then lose to a lower seed in the playoffs. And thats because they dont have second gear. Defense is what they call second gear. Most teams dont like to play defense because of the wear and tear it causes to a player. But if your team is playing 2nd gear all the time then expect nothing to be left in the playoffs. Its what happened to Indiana last season.

[poido123]

Durant misses half the games and OKC is not even in the playoffs, Rose practically missed three seasons and Chicago still won 50+ and remained very competitive. He hasn't had his franchise player and MVP for a long time why are you turning on a proven coach? :eek: :wtf:



Thibs has shown poor in game adjustments, poor minute distribution, lack of trust in rookies and the "outer group". You don't need Rose there to tell you that story.


The cornerstone of Thibs has always been his defensive schemes. In the regular season, he pushes his teams to play to their best and leave nothing for later on. It works great for season wins, but by the time they get to the playoffs, they are left flat footed.


Our offense is poorly constructed and very limited. Except for the occasional Rose/Gasol pick and roll, the ball movement inside and out is pretty non-existent and it's not like we have poor passing players. Most of our offense is reactionary and predictable.

[andremiller07]

From a SAC, it isn't sensible, unless they won't let him out of contract and Vivek decides he *must* have him. Let's be honest, Vivek's judgement is to be questioned in basketball matters until he proves otherwise, and I wouldn't be shocked if he wants to get Thibs + throw a huge contract at him. I'm speaking from a Bulls' standpoint- why let him out of contract or fire him (wasting money on a good coach you don't want anymore) when you can trade him for value?
Mike Malone is a poor man's Thibs and the management fired him cause he would not run and gun (which we don't have a roster to anyway), why would they hire the ultimate defensive guy when all the FO wants to see is up and down basketball, the Kings want to be Golden State 2.0 but they don't have single piece similar to it.

I don't see Thibs being the guy they hire but it would be the best thing if they did but sadly will never occur.

[dunksby]

Thibs has shown poor in game adjustments, poor minute distribution, lack of trust in rookies and the "outer group". You don't need Rose there to tell you that story.


The cornerstone of Thibs has always been his defensive schemes. In the regular season, he pushes his teams to play to their best and leave nothing for later on. It works great for season wins, but by the time they get to the playoffs, they are left flat footed.


Our offense is poorly constructed and very limited. Except for the occasional Rose/Gasol pick and roll, the ball movement inside and out is pretty non-existent and it's not like we have poor passing players. Most of our offense is reactionary and predictable.
This season is the first season in years Bulls have a good roster to compete in the postseason; I'd hold judgment and see how far the Bulls go come the playoffs.

[hawksdogsbraves]

Mike Malone is a poor man's Thibs and the management fired him cause he would not run and gun (which we don't have a roster to anyway), why would they hire the ultimate defensive guy when all the FO wants to see is up and down basketball, the Kings want to be Golden State 2.0 but they don't have single piece similar to it.

I don't see Thibs being the guy they hire but it would be the best thing if they did but sadly will never occur.

Damn I legit feel bad for Kings fans, that franchise is screwed up :facepalm

[SwishSquared]

Mike Malone is a poor man's Thibs and the management fired him cause he would not run and gun (which we don't have a roster to anyway), why would they hire the ultimate defensive guy when all the FO wants to see is up and down basketball, the Kings want to be Golden State 2.0 but they don't have single piece similar to it.

I don't see Thibs being the guy they hire but it would be the best thing if they did but sadly will never occur.
I agree with you on the premise of the style- I just meant explore the trade market to maximize Thibs' value while Bulls would still have him under a fairly reasonable contract.

I think you also can't exactly count on Vivek to keep his mind steadfast haha- if Thibs was available, he may jump to get him. I don't know if Vivek has a one vision of how things should be run (I need more info) - I think he just kinda "wings it" in regards to operations sometimes. Apart from the Stauskas draft pick (where they were def taking him), most moves seemed like they came out of nowhere (trading for Rudy, firing Malone mid-season, etc.).

I do think Boogie would be very happy with Thibs there and maybe they'd listen to their franchise cornerstone for once... else he'll leave when he's a FA.

[guy]

This team clearly isn't perfect, and has issues. As a Bulls fan though, I still believe they can make the adjustments and have what it takes to go on a title run.

I don't want Thibs to leave but he's not perfect. There is absolutely no reason for Gasol to be playing 35 mpg when they have Taj Gibson and Nikola Mirotic. He should really only be playing 30 mpg. He's too old to be playing that much and on top of that, the defense is probably better for those extra 5 minutes especially since Gibson is a better defender. I'm also not sure Jimmy Butler needs to be playing 40 mpg. Give some of those minutes to Aaron Brooks who only plays 20 mpg but is great when he's in there, or even Derrick Rose. This team has too much talent for those two to be playing that many minutes.

And then Derrick Rose. Dude needs to stop taking so many bad shots, especially from 3. If he doesn't want to go inside as much cause he's trying to preserve his body, I totally understand that. But then just take less shots. Don't try to make it up by chucking 3s when he's not that good from there anyway. He takes 5.6 per game and only shoots 31%. There is no player in the league that takes as many 3s and shoots as badly as he does. Some of the shots he was taking yesterday were just terrible. He got his MVP. He should stop trying to prove that he's an MVP player. He should play more like Tony Parker, not taking so many 3s and trusting his teammates more, with even better defense.

Hopefully when Dunleavy comes back, they'll get back to where they were.

[tamaraw08]

This team clearly isn't perfect, and has issues. As a Bulls fan though, I still believe they can make the adjustments and have what it takes to go on a title run.

I don't want Thibs to leave but he's not perfect. There is absolutely no reason for Gasol to be playing 35 mpg when they have Taj Gibson and Nikola Mirotic. He should really only be playing 30 mpg. He's too old to be playing that much and on top of that, the defense is probably better for those extra 5 minutes especially since Gibson is a better defender. I'm also not sure Jimmy Butler needs to be playing 40 mpg. Give some of those minutes to Aaron Brooks who only plays 20 mpg but is great when he's in there, or even Derrick Rose. This team has too much talent for those two to be playing that many minutes.

And then Derrick Rose. Dude needs to stop taking so many bad shots, especially from 3. If he doesn't want to go inside as much cause he's trying to preserve his body, I totally understand that. But then just take less shots. Don't try to make it up by chucking 3s when he's not that good from there anyway. He takes 5.6 per game and only shoots 31%. There is no player in the league that takes as many 3s and shoots as badly as he does. Some of the shots he was taking yesterday were just terrible. He got his MVP. He should stop trying to prove that he's an MVP player. He should play more like Tony Parker, not taking so many 3s and trusting his teammates more, with even better defense. Hopefully when Dunleavy comes back, they'll get back to where they were.
great point esp the bolded part:rockon:
I can't believe Dunleavy is still not playing. :rant These guys who take their sweet time to play from an injury should be docked from thier pay like most of us.
I'll only consider replacing Thibs if they fail to win it all and ONLY if they replace him with a proven coach.

[97 bulls]

great point esp the bolded part:rockon:
I can't believe Dunleavy is still not playing. :rant These guys who take their sweet time to play from an injury should be docked from thier pay like most of us.
I'll only consider replacing Thibs if they fail to win it all and ONLY if they replace him with a proven coach.
Rose taking so many threes is my biggest gripe as well. Along with the fact that he shoots them early in the shot clock or even worse on fastbreak opportunities.

The Bulls biggest problem is their defense. The Lakers had 50+ points by half time last night. Jeremy Lin sailed to the basket unimpeded. And for Goodness sake someone pleas tell, no scream to Jehoakim Noah to stop swiping at guards attacking the basket. Hes a damn Center