Rose isn't the best player on the team this season

[red1]

It's between Gasol or Butler. Agreed?

[iTare]

Agreed.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

fact

[Budadiiii]

Rose is the biggest retard in league history. Cheated just to get into college. :lol

And of course Pau and Butler are better.... it's not even close.

[Legends66NBA7]

Would you argue Noah is ahead of him too ?

[bluechox2]

rose is the best

[red1]

Rose is the biggest retard in league history. Cheated just to get into college. :lol

And of course Pau and Butler are better.... it's not even close.
bit of an exaggeration there bud. let's keep this a troll-free thread please

[red1]

Would you argue Noah is ahead of him too ?
I would definitely still take rose over noah

[ArbitraryWater]

Rose isn't even close to being the best :wtf:

[Pointguard]

He isn't the best player. I have Butler, then Gasol. With the teams playing the best team ball, its not that big of deal (Toronto, Dallas, Atlanta, Chicago, Washington, GS, Portland).

Still Rose qualifies for being the most important. If he's plays the way we once seen him play, they have the best chance of winning it all and their optimal play is in place.

[Budadiiii]

He isn't the best player. I have Butler, then Gasol. With the teams playing the best team ball, its not that big of deal (Toronto, Dallas, Atlanta, Chicago, Washington, GS, Portland).

Still Rose qualifies for being the most important. If he's plays the way we once seen him play, they have the best chance of winning it all and their optimal play is in place.
Which will never happen again. So 44% shooting and flaming out in the ECF is his absolute peak. :lol

But you'll still stan for Mr. 16/4/2 on 40% or whatever his stats are. :oldlol:

[Hotlantadude81]

He isn't the best player. I have Butler, then Gasol. With the teams playing the best team ball, its not that big of deal (Toronto, Dallas, Atlanta, Chicago, Washington, GS, Portland).

Still Rose qualifies for being the most important. If he's plays the way we once seen him play, they have the best chance of winning it all and their optimal play is in place.

But it's been over 3 years now since we've seen him that way.

The signs are pointing to him being the next Grant Hill/Penny Hardaway.

[Budadiiii]

But it's been over 3 years now since we've seen him that way.

The signs are pointing to him being the next Grant Hill/Penny Hardaway.
Those guys actually have heart though. Rose is his own category. Insanely weak mentally and quit on his team two years in a row when he could've played in the playoffs. He was never that good to begin with. 44% shooter who choked miserably against the Heat in 2011. That's his peak.

[Dengness9]

Those guys actually have heart though. Rose is his own category. Insanely weak mentally and quit on his team two years in a row when he could've played in the playoffs. He was never that good to begin with. 44% shooter who choked miserably against the Heat in 2011. That's his peak.


You're threatened by Rose. Everything he does you watch and then run here to post about it.

Let's wait for the playoffs and see how it unfolds.

You are awfully ahead of yourself right now. Worry about OKC fixing their issues. Rose and the Bulls are in a great position so keep letting your teenage girl esque insecurities fly off the keyboard.

[Dengness9]

It's between Gasol or Butler. Agreed?

How many times can this thread be duplicated and how many weeks late are you on this?

[dilley]

it would take a complete moron to argue otherwise. he should be here shortly.

[Inferno]

it would take a complete moron to argue otherwise. he should be here shortly.

nathan, where are you? :applause:

[Pointguard]

Those guys actually have heart though. Rose is his own category. Insanely weak mentally and quit on his team two years in a row when he could've played in the playoffs. He was never that good to begin with. 44% shooter who choked miserably against the Heat in 2011. That's his peak.
Its 2015, most people know that Rose knew something was not right in 2013. You are still 2013 because you are not mentally equipped to move on. He was MVP one year and he won primarily because of his heart in fourth quarter and the domination of the elite teams.


But it's been over 3 years now since we've seen him that way.

The signs are pointing to him being the next Grant Hill/Penny Hardaway.
Penny and Grant Hill were never among the fastest guys in the league after their injuries. So who is to say. That's just negative thinking on your part.

[DMAVS41]

He isn't the best player. I have Butler, then Gasol. With the teams playing the best team ball, its not that big of deal (Toronto, Dallas, Atlanta, Chicago, Washington, GS, Portland).

Still Rose qualifies for being the most important. If he's plays the way we once seen him play, they have the best chance of winning it all and their optimal play is in place.

I agree with this if you are talking about how Rose played in the regular season at times in the past.

But he's been super inefficient in the playoffs for his career. With a career 50.3% TS in the playoffs...considering he's going to have to score efficiently for this team to reach the level you are talking about...not much can be read into his "past"...

We have such a limited glimpse into what kind of player Rose really was/is. He's had a few solid regular seasons and he's never done anything of note in the playoffs.

Again, not really his fault, but it's just the truth.

Rose fans need to stop acting like we have 10 plus years of his great play or something. We just don't have that to draw on...and even if we did...not like the current Rose is anything like that guy from 11 in terms of role or play.

[Budadiiii]

Its 2015, most people know that Rose knew something was not right in 2013. You are still 2013 because you are not mentally equipped to move on. He was MVP one year and he won primarily because of his heart in fourth quarter and the domination of the elite teams.
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You say I'm not mentally equipped to move on but you mention 2011 like it was yesterday. How funny.

And Rose admitted it was all mental with him. Confidence. So I was right all along about him being a mentally fragile bitch scared of getting injured again. That's why he didn't play the last two years even though he was medically cleared.

But keep talking about "MVP" Rose as if it means anything. A guy who shot 44% and choked miserably against the Heat. Wow... what a peak! Not only will he never return to his 2011 form, but his 2011 form was never good enough to lead a team to a championship so it's a double whammy for dumb, delusional Rose stans like you. :lol

Stay mad though that he's not even the 3rd most important player on the Bulls in 2015. He was never important to begin with. Defense and coaching won those games in 2011 and Thibs gifted Rose an MVP.

[Pointguard]

I agree with this if you are talking about how Rose played in the regular season at times in the past.

But he's been super inefficient in the playoffs for his career. With a career 50.3% TS in the playoffs...considering he's going to have to score efficiently for this team to reach the level you are talking about...not much can be read into his "past"...
Rose shot 49% and 46 FG% when he had shooters in the playoffs. In the other playoffs he won both series with an inordinate amount of the offense on his back. Things are very different now. A guy at 22 is very different than a guy at 26.


We have such a limited glimpse into what kind of player Rose really was/is. He's had a few solid regular seasons and he's never done anything of note in the playoffs.
He has a playoff record in his first game? There are a lot of players that have never won two playoff series on their back without finishers and shooters. You may not know but that's your choosing. I doubt I ever seen a player that young ever do it.

What you can definitely say, tho I know you are in denial, is that you know about Rose in this situation than any of the other players on the Bulls which is my only point in the first place.


Rose fans need to stop acting like we have 10 plus years of his great play or something. We just don't have that to draw on...and even if we did...not like the current Rose is anything like that guy from 11 in terms of role or play.
Aggression is aggression. CP3 is an advanced stat's guy dream. Westbrook's aggression nullified all of that efficiency and refinement. It takes ten years to see guys whose game doesn't have a pronounced character to it.

[Undisputed]

This subject has been approached in so many threads, and it's obvious that Rose is not the most productive player on the roster. Though everything is easier on the team and the Bulls win more with him on the floor than sitting out. Even through this stretch of him shooting poorly, he has made clutch plays late in games(not including yesterdays game were he was flat out terrible against the Jazz).

Gasol and Butler have been the true driving force behind this seasons success. But they both need Derrick Rose to be a real threat. And unfortunately Derrick Rose is still on the road to returning to a consistent player.

[Hotlantadude81]

Its 2015, most people know that Rose knew something was not right in 2013. You are still 2013 because you are not mentally equipped to move on. He was MVP one year and he won primarily because of his heart in fourth quarter and the domination of the elite teams.


Penny and Grant Hill were never among the fastest guys in the league after their injuries. So who is to say. That's just negative thinking on your part.

He hasn't been at the top of his game in years now.... He is still really young of course, but when guys get known for injuries it gets harder and harder to think they will return to the form they once had. Maybe something is wrong and that is why he is shooting poorly night after night right now.

Rose does not strike me as a very tough player and so his mind might not hold up after all of these injuries.

[tontoz]

Over his last 7 games Rose is shooting 25% while taking the most shots on the team.

[Human Error]

Would you argue Noah is ahead of him too ?
There is no argument that Noah has been a better and more important Bull than Rose this season. Only a true retard would think otherwise. Taj Gibson also has been a better Bull than Rose throughout the season consistently.

[tontoz]

There is no argument that Noah has been a better and more important Bull than Rose this season. Only a true retard would think otherwise. Taj Gibson also has been a better Bull than Rose throughout the season consistently.

In other words only nate and pointguard would think otherwise.

[HurricaneKid]

There is no argument that Noah has been a better and more important Bull than Rose this season. Only a true retard would think otherwise.

No argument? Every single stat other than anything FGA driven.

Taj has been better too. That makes him #5 at best. And given his last 7 games thats a stretch too.

PG is right, he is important. Because if he plays like this the Bulls are going to have a tough road come playoff time.

[imdaman99]

I don't think he's their best anymore but he's the closest they have to a closer. If he falters or doesn't play, they could be out in the 2nd round.

[JohnFreeman]

DJ Augustine been tearing it up

[Pointguard]

:lol Wow, is this this bitter butt-hurt week at the Appollo? Folks falin out of tres to be counted among the kick a man wile he's down crew. Trust this speaks more about you than it will ever say about him. It seems you guys happiness is dependent on him not being healthy... which means you aren't healhy.And you are chosing to be unhealthy.

A man walks on the court at 60% and is constantly being compared here with the best on his team. That's the real convo here. I never started it but its obvious that some would be very uncomfortable with any improvement. WHY live like that?

[Dengness9]

Some fan boys hope on failure for Derrick Rose so bad that they are treating a 2 week funk in the regular season in Dec/Jan like it's the post season or something.

What do you know? Two of the main shit talkers are Wall and Westbrook fans.....

Rose having a bad game is y'all's super bowl. :rolleyes:

[tontoz]

Some fan boys hope on failure for Derrick Rose so bad that they are treating a 2 week funk in the regular season in Dec/Jan like it's the post season or something.

What do you know? Two of the main shit talkers are Wall and Westbrook fans.....

Rose having a bad game is y'all's super bowl. :rolleyes:


Nonsense. If it wasnt for the Rose stans hyping him up people wouldn't be piling on him.

It is the same story with the Hawks. Their fans have been starting daily threads about them for weeks which caused a backlash of people mocking them.

And Rose isn't just going through a bad stretch. He would have to improve significantly for it to just be bad.

[Dengness9]

Nonsense. If it wasnt for the Rose stans hyping him up people wouldn't be piling on him.

It is the same story with the Hawks. Their fans have been starting daily threads about them for weeks which caused a backlash of people mocking them.

And Rose isn't just going through a bad stretch. He would have to improve significantly for it to just be bad.


Bs. Who besides Nathan is hyping him?

And ill never understand why stans of a player ruin that player for other fans.

Budadiii or w/e his name is clowns on Rose everyday but i dont shit talk about KD or Russ.

Speaking on this being a bad stretch or not? Its a bad stretch from a rusty player guilty of coasting some so he doesnt injure himself bc the postseason is the only thing that matters to the Bulls.

Rose's 3 best games of the year were against Port,Raps, and @Wash. He'll be fine if he can stay healthy.

Rose has another gear, hes saving himself. You do realize this no?

If playoffs roll around, and Bulls dont have rose they have no shot to win a chip. Its just that simple.

Every game he makes it through is a mini victory the way things have been the last few years. I would like to see his assists raise up some. The bad shooting will get better when the games are more important and he decides to be more aggressive.

[Le Shaqtus]

"This thread is stupid"

Guess the poster.

[tontoz]

Bs. Who besides Nathan is hyping him?

And ill never understand why stans of a player ruin that player for other fans.

Budadiii or w/e his name is clowns on Rose everyday but i dont shit talk about KD or Russ.

Speaking on this being a bad stretch or not? Its a bad stretch from a rusty player guilty of coasting some so he doesnt injure himself bc the postseason is the only thing that matters to the Bulls.

Rose's 3 best games of the year were against Port,Raps, and @Wash. He'll be fine if he can stay healthy.

Rose has another gear, hes saving himself. You do realize this no?

If playoffs roll around, and Bulls dont have rose they have no shot to win a chip. Its just that simple.

Every game he makes it through is a mini victory the way things have been the last few years. I would like to see his assists raise up some. The bad shooting will get better when the games are more important and he decides to be more aggressive.


LMAO

A player that is "coasting" wouldn't be jacking up more shots than anyone on the team. Dumb AF

nate and pointguard have been hyping him relentlessly as have others. Those are the two that stand out. Obviously they have been quieted lately by Rose's epically bad play.

I hadn't even mentioned Rose all year. Even during the game i didn't mention him when he was making a mess. It was only afterwards when the stans started hyping him as if he dominated Wall that i finally spoke up. I was like what game where they watching?

[Dengness9]

LMAO

A player that is "coasting" wouldn't be jacking up more shots than anyone on the team. Dumb AF

nate and pointguard have been hyping him relentlessly as have others. Those are the two that stand out. Obviously they have been quieted lately by Rose's epically bad play.

I hadn't even mentioned Rose all year. Even during the game i didn't mention him when he was making a mess. It was only afterwards when the stans started hyping him as if he dominated Wall that i finally spoke up. I was like what game where they watching?

Coasting can be jacking long jumpers as opposed to playing like he use to pre injuries. Get it?

When he wants to truly play his style he does as i already evidenced by the three primetime games i spoke of.

Of course i wish he was shooting better. But its all about shot selection and aggression for Rose. Id much rather see him go 3-15 taking lower percentage jumpers than go 11-20 driving to the hole relentlessly in early January.

I know competing for the 1 seed is new to the wiz, but Bulls have done that twice and it didnt work out. Theres a reason Rose and Noah have minute restrictions.

Youre focused on an insanely bad 2 week stretch for Rose thinking its some huge issue for the Bulls. Well it just isnt so pipe down. 25-11.

There is only 1 true issue for the Bulls and thats keeping bodies healthy.

I just dont know if you can grasp what im putting down.

[HurricaneKid]

Some fan boys hope on failure for Derrick Rose so bad that they are treating a 2 week funk in the regular season in Dec/Jan like it's the post season or something.


Dude its been 4 years. Have you been Inceptioned or something?

[tontoz]

Coasting can be jacking long jumpers as opposed to playing like he use to pre injuries. Get it?

When he wants to truly play his style he does as i already evidenced by the three primetime games i spoke of.

Of course i wish he was shooting better. But its all about shot selection and aggression for Rose. Id much rather see him go 3-15 taking lower percentage jumpers than go 11-20 driving to the hole relentlessly in early January.

I know competing for the 1 seed is new to the wiz, but Bulls have done that twice and it didnt work out. Theres a reason Rose and Noah have minute restrictions.

Youre focused on an insanely bad 2 week stretch for Rose thinking its some huge issue for the Bulls. Well it just isnt so pipe down. 25-11.

There is only 1 true issue for the Bulls and thats keeping bodies healthy.

I just dont know if you can grasp what im putting down.


A coasting player isn't going to be jacking up the most shots on the team, especially when that team has plenty of other options, unless he is a complete dumbass. Especially given his restricted minutes.

Given that he is a pg he could actually try passing. It works pretty well for a lot of other pgs. It seems like passing would be a good option for a "coasting" player.

LMAO @ you accusing me of focusing only on a two week stretch when his stans are focusing on a 3 minute stretch.

[Dengness9]

Dude its been 4 years. Have you been Inceptioned or something?


I don't know what you're talking about.

12/22 Raptors- 12/19 for 29pts (31 mins)

12/23 Wiz- 10/17 25 pts (29 mins)

12/25 LAL- 7/14 20 pts

He was playing just fine til this slump. Even in some of these slump games he's had big 4th Q's while making clutch shots.

He also went 14-24 for 31 pts in 32 mins against Portland in earlier December.

It's not all bad, people losing their minds like its shutter island doe :eek:

[Dengness9]

A coasting player isn't going to be jacking up the most shots on the team, especially when that team has plenty of other options, unless he is a complete dumbass. Especially given his restricted minutes.

Given that he is a pg he could actually try passing. It works pretty well for a lot of other pgs. It seems like passing would be a good option for a "coasting" player.

LMAO @ you accusing me of focusing only on a two week stretch when his stans are focusing on a 3 minute stretch.

I'm not focusing on a 3 minute stretch. That's your emotional episode you're going through since Rose shredded the Wiz in the closing minutes of that game.

Nor am I a Rose stan. Just a Bulls fan. I'm not speaking for anyone else besides myself. Rose does pass, but he's always been a score first PG, I figured you knew that. PLUS I already stated I wish he'd facilitate a little more.

He's been given a green light by Thibs to shoot. This is a long process for Derrick. It's a bumpy road but your words about him being a dumbass for shooting the ball kind of just sums up your outlook to me.

The only way to get out of a slump is to shoot your way out of it. I'd be thoroughly worried if he stopped shooting so much. He still has the confidence to shoot, the ball will eventually start going through the hoop again at a higher rate.

[Dengness9]

Unless you're a die hard Bulls fan, it's hard for most ppl to understand this season.


Do any of you realize as a Bulls fan, one can be happy Rose is shooting 40% because it just means he's playing and not hurt?

He hasn't been in the playoffs for 3 years basically. Baby steps. Big picture. He made it through 10 games last year. The fact that he's still going 36 games so far this year is a huge battle won.

[tontoz]

I'm not focusing on a 3 minute stretch. That's your emotional episode you're going through since Rose shredded the Wiz in the closing minutes of that game.




That is exactly the type of stan nonsense i am talking about. The Bulls already had a 10 point lead when Rose checked in the game with 6:35 left. His dumbass stans, like yourself, ignore his missed shots/turnoves which sparked the Wizards comeback and try to pretend that Rose dominated Wall.

The reality is that Wall outperformed Rose in the 4th. And the Bulls would have probably won that game if Rose sat the entire 4th quarter.

[Dengness9]

Hey Tontoz.....



John Wall shot below 44% his first 4 years in the league. He's shooting a career best 46% this season. Lifetime 30% 3pt shooter.


Just some perspective since you are so fixated on Rose's slump.

[Beastmode88]

https://twitter.com/kcjhoop/status/553025379985027073

[tontoz]

Hey Tontoz.....



John Wall shot below 44% his first 4 years in the league. He's shooting a career best 46% this season. Lifetime 30% 3pt shooter.


Just some perspective since you are so fixated on Rose's slump.


Are you some type of retard?

I didn't even mention Rose all season until after the Wizards game, when his dumbass stans like yourself flipped out after he had a good 3 minute stretch after being a non-factor all game.

So you bet your ass i am going to point out that he is shooting 25% over the last 7 games while taking the most shots on the team.

And Wall is a pass first pg that leads the league in assists. Wall averages twice the assists that Rose does even though he is surrounded by less talent.

[Pointguard]

LMAO

A player that is "coasting" wouldn't be jacking up more shots than anyone on the team. Dumb AF

nate and pointguard have been hyping him relentlessly as have others. Those are the two that stand out. Obviously they have been quieted lately by Rose's epically bad play.

I hadn't even mentioned Rose all year. Even during the game i didn't mention him when he was making a mess. It was only afterwards when the stans started hyping him as if he dominated Wall that i finally spoke up. I was like what game where they watching?
Funny, because I agreed with the OP since the beginning. I didn't hype him in this thread and if you can't see how you have and other posters are the key to perpetuating hater threads you won't last here. You came in this thread as a hater and are trying to put it off on others. I have way more positive post about john wall than the the joking with you.

[Dengness9]

That is exactly the type of stan nonsense i am talking about. The Bulls already had a 10 point lead when Rose checked in the game with 6:35 left. His dumbass stans, like yourself, ignore his missed shots/turnoves which sparked the Wizards comeback and try to pretend that Rose dominated Wall.

The reality is that Wall outperformed Rose in the 4th. And the Bulls would have probably won that game if Rose sat the entire 4th quarter.


:roll:

Post of the year?! Wall got the Wiz back in the game. Rose ended the game. Or should I just post this?http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-z7yD2M2Hi2I/VJopKaVEaGI/AAAAAAAALF0/mm2a_nBxmkA/s1600/skip1.gif

The reality is Rose outperformed Wall throughout the 4 quarters and if I remember correctly stole a Wall pass and converted on the other end at perhaps the games most key moment? Yeah shut up thanks for coming.

Funny how you give the Wiz's comeback credit to Rose when it was Wall who did it. Then you give no credit to Rose for closing the game.

It doesn't matter if the Bulls let Washington back in the game. You are the only one talking about that while everyone else talks/talked about Rose sealing it in the last two minutes.

Should I track down the highlighted play by play box of Rose killing the Wiz?

You know nothing crybaby.

[Dengness9]

Are you some type of retard?

I didn't even mention Rose all season until after the Wizards game, when his dumbass stans like yourself flipped out after he had a good 3 minute stretch after being a non-factor all game.

So you bet your ass i am going to point out that he is shooting 25% over the last 7 games while taking the most shots on the team.

And Wall is a pass first pg that leads the league in assists. Wall averages twice the assists that Rose does even though he is surrounded by less talent.


I'm not the retard arguing that Wall played better than Rose while his stats don't suggest so, nor did the last two minutes in a 1 pt game suggest so, and there's always the fact that the Bulls won the game.

John wall should pass more and rack up assists, he can't shoot!

And the less talent thing is funny because you make it seem like the Wiz are lacking in talent. Beal, Pierce, Nene, Gortat is a lot of talent last time I checked.

[tontoz]

:roll:

Post of the year?! Wall got the Wiz back in the game. Rose ended the game. Or should I just post this?http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-z7yD2M2Hi2I/VJopKaVEaGI/AAAAAAAALF0/mm2a_nBxmkA/s1600/skip1.gif

The reality is Rose outperformed Wall throughout the 4 quarters and if I remember correctly stole a Wall pass and converted on the other end at perhaps the games most key moment? Yeah shut up thanks for coming.

Funny how you give the Wiz's comeback credit to Rose when it was Wall who did it. Then you give no credit to Rose for closing the game.

It doesn't matter if the Bulls let Washington back in the game. You are the only one talking about that while everyone else talks/talked about Rose sealing it in the last two minutes.

Should I track down the highlighted play by play box of Rose killing the Wiz?

You know nothing crybaby.


This is the perfect example of the stan stupidity that i am talking about.

As soon as Rose came back in the game he either missed shots or turned it over on 4 straight possessions and the 10 point lead was gone just like that. If you are going to give Rose credit for closing the game then you have to also give him some blame for blowing the lead in the first place.

Wall had 18/9 on the game shooting 9/16 from the field. He had 10 points and 2 assists in the 4th. This "Rose dominated Wall" delusion is pure nonsense.

The Bulls have more talent than the Wiz without Rose. Give them a 10 point lead with 6:30 left and they will win most of the time without Rose. All Rose really did was hang on to the lead he was given. BFD

[Dengness9]

This is the perfect example of the stan stupidity that i am talking about.

As soon as Rose came back in the game he either missed shots or turned it over on 4 straight possessions and the 10 point lead was gone just like that. If you are going to give Rose credit for closing the game then you have to also give him some blame for blowing the lead in the first place.

Wall had 18/9 on the game shooting 9/16 from the field. He had 10 points and 2 assists in the 4th. This "Rose dominated Wall" delusion is pure nonsense.

The Bulls have more talent than the Wiz without Rose. Give them a 10 point lead with 6:30 left and they will win most of the time without Rose. All Rose really did was hang on to the lead he was given. BFD


So actually what happened is Rose checked in at 6:35 and at 6:22 makes a shot.

Then has two misses, and two TO's. Which btw were not on consecutive possesions, Noah missed two shots in a row during that stretch, and Taj fouled Pierce on a 3! So you lied saying it was all Rose, gotcha there. Wall made a bucket after both Noah misses btw.

Then with Bulls down 1 Rose goes 3-3 from the field and 2-2 from the line in the last 3 minutes.

So to sum up, in the last 6:35 Rose goes 4-6 fg and 2-2 FT with two TO's(neither were in last 3 mins) and you are putting the lead losing on him?

Well if that's the case, then the credit for the Wiz losing goes to Wall.

Here's the last 3:15 for Wall

3:15 John Wall bad pass Derrick Rose steal

3:00 Rose makes jumper

2:38 John Wall misses jumper

2:19 John Wall personal foul (Derrick Rose draws foul)

2:19 Rose goes 2-2 ft

1:13 John Wall misses jumper

Here have another http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-z7yD2M2Hi2I/VJopKaVEaGI/AAAAAAAALF0/mm2a_nBxmkA/s1600/skip1.gif

[tontoz]

So Rose gets no blame for the 4 possessions he wasted but gets all the credit for closing the game?

:rolleyes:


In the last 6:35 Wall had 10 points, 2 assists and 1 turnover. Rose had 10 points, no assists and 2 turnovers. Feel free to explain how Rose outplayed Wall in the 4th quarter, or the game for that matter.

[Dengness9]

https://twitter.com/kcjhoop/status/553025379985027073


As bad as that is, it's just 6 games in the regular season. Not the end of the world. Just stay healthy.

[HurricaneKid]

I don't know what you're talking about.

12/22 Raptors- 12/19 for 29pts (31 mins)

12/23 Wiz- 10/17 25 pts (29 mins)

12/25 LAL- 7/14 20 pts

He was playing just fine til this slump. Even in some of these slump games he's had big 4th Q's while making clutch shots.

He also went 14-24 for 31 pts in 32 mins against Portland in earlier December.

It's not all bad, people losing their minds like its shutter island doe :eek:

Oh, well if he has played three good games (offensively) in 4 years I must be wrong. I mean Lowry destroyed him in one of the games you pointed to so you must be talking about just the one side of the ball right?

Rose stans, tell me how many PGs would you take in front of him TODAY? I don't think there is even an argument that he is a top 10 PG anymore.

[Dengness9]

So Rose gets no blame for the 4 possessions he wasted but gets all the credit for closing the game?

:rolleyes:


In the last 6:35 Wall had 10 points, 2 assists and 1 turnover. Rose had 10 points, no assists and 2 turnovers. Feel free to explain how Rose outplayed Wall in the 4th quarter, or the game for that matter.

Because when it mattered most Rose scored and got the win for his team. Wall was good enough to get them back in the game but not good enough to win it.

And Rose does get some blame for the lead situation but you blatantly lied and said he missed or turned it over on 4 consecutive possessions when he checked in, and you said it was all his fault the Bulls lost the lead which isn't true. In fact 6 of the 10 points the wiz got back were because of Noah misses and a terrible 3ball foul by Taj.

You are the only person I've ever talked to that values a guy taking a 1pt lead for his team over a guy who closes out a game down by 1.

[Dengness9]

Oh, well if he has played three good games (offensively) in 4 years I must be wrong. I mean Lowry destroyed him in one of the games you pointed to so you must be talking about just the one side of the ball right?

Rose stans, tell me how many PGs would you take in front of him TODAY? I don't think there is even an argument that he is a top 10 PG anymore.


No no no, don't twist it now. We werent talking about the last 4 years. We are talking about this season. He's had other good games besides those three this season, and again, has shot bad in a lot of games but hit clutch 4th quarter shots.

What Lowry game are you talking about? Rose went 20/4/3 to Lowrys 20/8/8 in a Bulls win the first time.

2nd time around Rose had 29/3/2 on 12/19 while Lowry had 34/6/3 on 12/22 in another Bulls win.

So never really any lopsided affairs that you speak of. Both guys went at each other. Lowry is better this year for sure though, having a great season. Hes a bulldog.

Im not even going to answer your question because its irrelevant right now. Let's wait and see how the rest of the season goes and the playoffs.

Im not into crowning anybody anything 36 games into the season.

You can call me a Rose stan all you want. Before that I was a "Deng stan", a "Ben Gordon stan", a "Eddy Curry/Tyson Chandler stan", a "Jordan Stan". Im just a Bulls fan that bleeds red, black, and white.

If im not mistaken, isnt there a 23 Bulls jersey hanging from the rafters at AAA?:sleeping

[LoneyROY7]

Wall > Rose.

[Dengness9]

Wall > Rose.


If I need a game winning jumper or shot Im taking Rose 10 out of 10 times. So whatevs brah.

You really went out on a limb with that ">" statement.


Wall is a great player dont get me wrong guys.

Everybody is wrapped up in which PG is better than the other while im only wrapped up in Rose staying on the court for the Bulls. He hasn't played enough in the last 3-4 years to worry about his ranking at PG a 3rd into the season.

[tontoz]

Because when it mattered most Rose scored and got the win for his team. Wall was good enough to get them back in the game but not good enough to win it.

And Rose does get some blame for lead situation but you blatantly lied and said he missed or turned it over on 4 consecutive possessions when he checked in, and you said it was all his fault the Bulls lost the lead which isn't true. In fact 6 of the 10 points the wiz got back were because of Noah misses and a terrible 3ball foul by Taj.

You are the only person I've ever talked to that values a guy taking a 1pt lead for his team over a guy who closes out a game down by 1.


Blatantly lied? He had 4 missed shots/turnovers during the Wizards 3 minute comeback. Does it really matter that they weren't consecutive?

:rolleyes:

If the Bulls were down and Rose brought them back to win that's one thing. But when a guy contributes to a blown 10 point lead then salvages the win that is hardly heroic.

:roll: @ your dumb ass accusing me of looking at only a 2 week span when you, just like the other stans, focus on just the 3 minute stretch rather than looking at the whole game, or even the whole 4th quarter.

[tontoz]

If I need a game winner jumper or shot Im taking Rose 10 out of 10 times. So whatevs brah.

And that would be idiotic, just what i would expect from a Rose stan.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=&match=single&year_id=2015&is_playoffs=N&team_id=&opp_id=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&shot_pts=&is_make=&shot_type=&shot_distance_min=&shot_distance_max=&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=5&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=-5&margin_max=5&c1stat=&c1comp=ge&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=ge&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=ge&c3val=&order_by=fg

[Pointguard]

Oh, well if he has played three good games (offensively) in 4 years I must be wrong. . you are on the alternate account.



I mean Lowry destroyed him in one of the games you pointed to so you must be talking about just the one side of the ball right?.
Lowery had 12 garbage time points after Rose put the game away. Rose definitely outplyed him. This is pathetic.

[Dengness9]

Blatantly lied? He had 4 missed shots/turnovers during the Wizards 3 minute comeback. Does it really matter that they weren't consecutive?

:rolleyes:

If the Bulls were down and Rose brought them back to win that's one thing. But when a guy contributes to a blown 10 point lead then salvages the win that is hardly heroic.

:roll: @ your dumb ass accusing me of looking at only a 2 week span when you, just like the other stans, focus on just the 3 minute stretch rather than looking at the whole game, or even the whole 4th quarter.


You keep calling me names while I have barely gone that route with you. So obviously this whole thing has really gotten to you.

And yes, yes it does matter it wasn't consecutive possessions when that is what you tried to say in the first place. Not to mention when he checked in he hit a shot to extend the lead.

I dont call it a 3 minute stretch boy, its that stretch that I believe Magic Johnson calls "Winning Time".

Rose got the better of the Wiz that day and it chaps your ass. Breathe homie, rematch tomorrow same spot same time.

[Dengness9]

And that would be idiotic, just what i would expect from a Rose stan.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=&match=single&year_id=2015&is_playoffs=N&team_id=&opp_id=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&shot_pts=&is_make=&shot_type=&shot_distance_min=&shot_distance_max=&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=5&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=-5&margin_max=5&c1stat=&c1comp=ge&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=ge&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=ge&c3val=&order_by=fg

I dont give a shit about just this year. Careers as a whole, Rose is a much better scorer and has much more experience in the crunch than Wall.

[HurricaneKid]

you are on the alternate account.

Lowery had 12 garbage time points after Rose put the game away. Rose definitely outplyed him. This is pathetic.

I have one account.

Rose played well in the 4th. But Lowry outplayed him for the game. I watched that game. Lowry has far more responsibilities for that team than Rose has any more. And unless you are saying Lowry's scoring when they were winning in the 4th were garbage points you are just wrong about 12 garbage points. And Rose scored 2 points with 4 seconds left. The game was 2 possessions with 13 sec to go. And Rose was the only one of the two that scored after that.

LOL at Rose's best game of the year being a game when the opposing PG goes for 34/6/3 with 1 TO while shooting .642TS%

[HurricaneKid]

I dont give a shit about just this year. Careers as a whole, Rose is a much better scorer and has much more experience in the crunch than Wall.

I think the point is he isn't the player he was pre-injury and holding him up like he is is insane.

[LoneyROY7]

And that would be idiotic, just what i would expect from a Rose stan.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=&match=single&year_id=2015&is_playoffs=N&team_id=&opp_id=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&shot_pts=&is_make=&shot_type=&shot_distance_min=&shot_distance_max=&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=5&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=-5&margin_max=5&c1stat=&c1comp=ge&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=ge&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=ge&c3val=&order_by=fg

Impressive stuff by Wall. :applause:

[Dengness9]

I have one account.

Rose played well in the 4th. But Lowry outplayed him for the game. I watched that game. Lowry has far more responsibilities for that team than Rose has any more. And unless you are saying Lowry's scoring when they were winning in the 4th were garbage points you are just wrong about 12 garbage points. And Rose scored 2 points with 4 seconds left. The game was 2 possessions with 13 sec to go. And Rose was the only one of the two that scored after that.

LOL at Rose's best game of the year being a game when the opposing PG goes for 34/6/3 with 1 TO while shooting .642TS%

Rose's 4 best games this year all resulted in wins against top teams in the East/West. Really not an LOL thing but you are some ***** Heat frontrunner so you live to be a part of a Derrick Rose thread.

The one account thing is probably the lol factor of your post.

[Dengness9]

Impressive stuff by Wall. :applause:

Its a pretty broad range there. I said GAME WINNING SHOT. The stat shows possibly being up or down 5, in the last 5 minutes of a game.

One shot, little to no time left, again Derrick Rose over Wall 10 out of 10 times.

[Dengness9]

Impressive stuff by Wall. :applause:


In fact, that stat actually is misleading. Wall against the Bulls had 10 points in the last 6-3 minutes but he missed all shots in the last 3 minutes. Wall couldnt hit the shots in the true clutch last few moments in that game but yet that game will be a net positive for him in clutch stats when he was clutch near the end of the game but not AT THE END OF THE GAME.

[SamuraiSWISH]

I'm glad he isn't. Nor should he have to be. Let him knock the rust off, and build himself up for the playoffs. Butler, and Noah are both better or more consistent right now ... but ability / potential wise Derrick is still their best player.

[Dengness9]

I think the point is he isn't the player he was pre-injury and holding him up like he is is insane.


And you counting him out like he is finished progressing from missing so much NBA action is insane too.

[Dengness9]

I'm glad he isn't. Nor should he have to be. Let him knock the rust off, and build himself up for the playoffs. Butler, and Noah are both better or more consistent right now ... but ability / potential wise Derrick is still their best player.


Yup. These other guys are getting their rocks off after 36 games. Rose and the Bulls are just fine even though these haters would do anything to make that statement not true.http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-z7yD2M2Hi2I/VJopKaVEaGI/AAAAAAAALF0/mm2a_nBxmkA/s1600/skip1.gif

[LoneyROY7]

John Wall's steady improvement from his rookie season has been a thing to behold. What a player he's become. :applause:

[Human Error]

This year's Bulls are so loaded inside and out. They are a lock to win the title if Rose plays like a top 15 point guard, which has been an impossible task for him for the last few years. I want to see if he gets better as the season progresses.

[tontoz]

You keep calling me names while I have barely gone that route with you. So obviously this whole thing has really gotten to you.

And yes, yes it does matter it wasn't consecutive possessions when that is what you tried to say in the first place. Not to mention when he checked in he hit a shot to extend the lead.

I dont call it a 3 minute stretch boy, its that stretch that I believe Magic Johnson calls "Winning Time".

Rose got the better of the Wiz that day and it chaps your ass. Breathe homie, rematch tomorrow same spot same time.


Why does it matter whether they were consecutive or not? All 4 happened during the Wizards comeback. They were in a 2 minute span. It isnt like i was pulling possessions from the first half. Plus it was two weeks ago. It isn't like i am going to remember the exact sequence of every possission.


The Bulls had a 10 point lead with Rose on the pine. The Bulls outrebounded us by 11. Our bigs shot a combined 35%. Our bench got completely punked. But let's play make believe and act like Rose punk'd wall to make the stans happy.

Still waiting for you to explain how Rose outplayed Wall on the game. Like the other dumbass stans you focus on the last 3 minutes and ignore the rest of the game.

Then you turn around and complain about me criticizing Rose play over the last 7 games.
Do you really not see the contradiction here?

[tontoz]

Wall couldnt hit the shots in the true clutch last few moments in that game but yet that game will be a net positive for him in clutch stats when he was clutch near the end of the game but not AT THE END OF THE GAME.


LOL


dont call it a 3 minute stretch boy, its that stretch that I believe Magic Johnson calls "Winning Time".

Sounds like you can't even make up your own mind what clutch scoring is.

If a guy scores in the first two minutes of overtime that isn't considered clutch scoring? Does the scoring have to be in the last minute? FYI Rose scored zero points in the last minute of the game.

Wall missed two shots in the last 3 minutes. If he made both that would just mean the Wizards would have lost by less.

Gotta love stan logic.

[Dengness9]

Why does it matter whether they were consecutive or not? All 4 happened during the Wizards comeback. They were in a 2 minute span. It isnt like i was pulling possessions from the first half. Plus it was two weeks ago. It isn't like i am going to remember the exact sequence of every possission.


The Bulls had a 10 point lead with Rose on the pine. The Bulls outrebounded us by 11. Our bigs shot a combined 35%. Our bench got completely punked. But let's play make believe and act like Rose punk'd wall to make the stans happy.

Still waiting for you to explain how Rose outplayed Wall on the game. Like the other dumbass stans you focus on the last 3 minutes and ignore the rest of the game.

Then you turn around and complain about me criticizing Rose play over the last 7 games. You are obviously too dumb to see the contradiction but i am sure everyone who isn't a rose stan can see it.

Well then be more sure of yourself before you type. You were the one who said CONSECUTIVE possessions in the first place, NOT ME. Now that I called you out you act like it was me who started the convo.

I dont ignore the rest of the game. But I definitely care more about the most important minutes which was the last 3 minutes when it was a 1 pt game for anyone to win. Rose outplayed Wall during that time and thats whats most important in this convo next to the Bulls winning the game of course.

BTW, Rose had 17 points before he checked back in for the last 6:30.

Speaking of the rest of the game, Wall had just 8 points before he got his 10 in the 4th, so yeah, he wasn't balling before or after that nice 10 pt run he had.

Rose did more before that stretch in the game, and he did more after Wall's run too. SO that equals up to him not playing as good as Rose in the entirety of the game. I believe Wall was 4-11 before that run and his team was losing before it, and then still lost after it.

You keep calling me stan too. Which is good stuff because I have not made one Rose thread the entire season. I have not proclaimed him in any ranking the entire season. Ive been very real about Rose this year. You just cant stop yourself from reaching.

Is this the part where Im suppose to call you a dumb ass or a stan?

[Dengness9]

LOL



Sounds like you can't even make up your own mind what clutch scoring is.

If a guy scores in the first two minutes of overtime that isn't considered clutch scoring? Does the scoring have to be in the last minute? FYI Rose scored zero points in the last minute of the game.

Wall missed two shots in the last 3 minutes. If he made both that would just mean the Wizards would have lost by less.

Gotta love stan logic.

Im still even debating if you were drunk or on PCP during the game. Rose scored zero in the last minute when the game was basically out of reach. Rose put it away from the 3 minute mark til whenever his last basket was. He didn't even need the last minute fam, thanks for illustrating that!

You have been off keel since that game. Youll be alright though. Who ya got tomorrow?

[Dengness9]

John Wall's steady improvement from his rookie season has been a thing to behold. What a player he's become. :applause:

Lets see if he as the Wiz's best player can even reach the conf finals. That will be a real test of how much he has actually progressed.

[tontoz]

Well then be more sure of yourself before you type. You were the one who said CONSECUTIVE possessions in the first place, NOT ME. Now that I called you out you act like it was me who started the convo.

I dont ignore the rest of the game. But I definitely care more about the most important minutes which was the last 3 minutes when it was a 1 pt game for anyone to win. Rose outplayed Wall during that time and thats whats most important in this convo next to the Bulls winning the game of course.

BTW, Rose had 17 points before he checked back in for the last 6:30.

Speaking of the rest of the game, Wall had just 8 points before he got his 10 in the 4th, so yeah, he wasn't balling before or after that nice 10 pt run he had.

Rose did more before that stretch in the game, and he did more after Wall's run too. SO that equals up to him not playing as good as Rose in the entirety of the game. I believe Wall was 4-11 before that run and his team was losing before it, and then still lost after it.

You keep calling me stan too. Which is good stuff because I have not made one Rose thread the entire season. I have not proclaimed him in any ranking the entire season. Ive been very real about Rose this year. You just cant stop yourself from reaching.

Is this the part where Im suppose to call you a dumb ass or a stan?


So assists and turnovers don't count? Rose is only good at scoring so lets only look at points. K

Even if Wall made the whopping 2 shots he missed in the last 3 minutes it wouldn't have mattered, yet you harp on those two shots as if they are somehow more important than the 10 points he scored to give them a 1 point lead.

And you wonder why i call you a stan. The obsession with the consecutive nonsense, which is irrelevant given that the possessions were within two minutes, is a sure sign of stan reasoning.


I dont give a shit about just this year. Careers as a whole, Rose is a much better scorer and has much more experience in the crunch than Wall.



We aren't talking about taking a time machine and going back to Rose's pre-injury days. I think a normal person would understand that we are talking about this season.

[tontoz]

Im still even debating if you were drunk or on PCP during the game. Rose scored zero in the last minute when the game was basically out of reach. Rose put it away from the 3 minute mark til whenever his last basket was. He didn't even need the last minute fam, thanks for illustrating that!

You have been off keel since that game. Youll be alright though. Who ya got tomorrow?


So what exactly is clutch time to you then? you seem to change your mind with each post.

For the record Wall is shooting 58% in the last 3 minutes of tight games, what Magic supposedly calls "winning time". He is 5th in the league in field goals made under those circumstances.



http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=&match=single&year_id=2015&is_playoffs=N&team_id=&opp_id=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&shot_pts=&is_make=&shot_type=&shot_distance_min=&shot_distance_max=&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=3&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=-5&margin_max=5&c1stat=&c1comp=ge&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=ge&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=ge&c3val=&order_by=fg

[tontoz]

Lets see if he as the Wiz's best player can even reach the conf finals. That will be a real test of how much he has actually progressed.


Have you actually looked at their roster? They are one of the oldest teams in the league. Other than Wall the only other above average starter for his position is Pierce and he is playing limited minutes because of his age.

Guys like Ariza/Webster/Butler have had career years playing with Wall but he isn't a miracle worker. I don't think they are good enough to get past the 2nd round.

[Dengness9]

So assists and turnovers don't count? Rose is only good at scoring so lets only look at points. K

Even if Wall made the whopping 2 shots he missed in the last 3 minutes it wouldn't have mattered, yet you harp on those two shots as if they are somehow more important than the 10 points he scored to give them a 1 point lead.

And you wonder why i call you a stan.





We aren't talking about taking a time machine and going back to Rose's pre-injury days. I think a normal person would understand that we are talking about this season.

You and I both dont know what Derrick Rose is this season. Hes shown flashes of his old self and hes shown that he can play pretty bad sometimes. Again though Derrick Rose isn't going to press himself in the regular season the way he has in the past, and with good reason.

But you just like others act like this is the new Derrick Rose. 6 awful games and it's ppl jumping off the deep end.

What has John Wall ever done? Jack shit. Theres your answer. The Wiz have won 1 playoff series with Wall and it was against a seriously undermanned and outmatched Bulls squad without Rose. Congrats.

John Wall has more to prove than Derrick Rose I could argue. All that talent hasnt amounted to much in Washington til last year and that was getting to the 2nd round for the first time.

John Wall isnt shit yet. He certainly hasnt reached Rose MVP season levels by a good stretch too.


And youre damn right if Wall made the last 2 shots he missed it wouldnt have mattered. Derrick Rose had already eaten his soul by that point in the evening.

Did I post this yet?http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-z7yD2M2Hi2I/VJopKaVEaGI/AAAAAAAALF0/mm2a_nBxmkA/s1600/skip1.gif

[LoneyROY7]

Kyle and John are battling hard to claim the mantle of best PG in the East. Should be interesting who comes out on top by season's end.

[Dengness9]

injuries is the only reason we are even having this convo.


John Wall's career cant touch Rose's and Rose has missed 3 years of games.


Wall still has a lot of catching up to do.

[Dengness9]

Kyle and John are battling hard to claim the mantle of best PG in the East. Should be interesting who comes out on top by season's end.


More importantly is who's team claims a better seed and who has a better playoff run.

The best PG in the East will mean NOTHING when the smoke clears in the playoffs.
In 5 years no one will ask who the best PG in the east was, it will be who won the East and what happened in the finals.

For a team game, the point guard ranking thing is way overrated.

CP3 is the 1st or 2nd best PG in the West probably but his team has zero chance of winning the title. All depends on how you look at it.

[tontoz]

You and I both dont know what Derrick Rose is this season. Hes shown flashes of his old self and hes shown that he can play pretty bad sometimes. Again though Derrick Rose isn't going to press himself in the regular season the way he has in the past, and with good reason.

But you just like others act like this is the new Derrick Rose. 6 awful games and it's ppl jumping off the deep end.

What has John Wall ever done? Jack shit. Theres your answer. The Wiz have won 1 playoff series with Wall and it was against a seriously undermanned and outmatched Bulls squad without Rose. Congrats.

John Wall has more to prove than Derrick Rose I could argue. All that talent hasnt amounted to much in Washington til last year and that was getting to the 2nd round for the first time.

John Wall isnt shit yet. He certainly hasnt reached Rose MVP season levels by a good stretch too.


And youre damn right if Wall made the last 2 shots he missed it wouldnt have mattered. Derrick Rose had already eaten his soul by that point in the evening.



In other words you cant make a coherent argument so you try to go off on a tangent, pretending like it has any relevance to the discussion.

I don't know what Rose will be in the future. I do know that saying he outplayed Wall in the last game is nonsense.

Wall had 9 assists and 3 turnovers. Rose had 4 assists and 5 turnovers. If you arent a stan then please explain why you overlooked this when comparing their games.

[Dengness9]

In other words you cant make a coherent argument so you try to go off on a tangent, pretending like it has any relevance to the discussion.

I don't know what Rose will be in the future. I do know that saying he outplayed Wall in the last game is nonsense.

Wall had 9 assists and 3 turnovers. Rose had 4 assists and 5 turnovers. If you arent a stan then please explain why you overlooked this when comparing their games.


I can play that game too. Wall had 5 fouls to Rose's zero. And Wall played 8 more minutes in that game than Rose.

And sorry kid, you dont decide what a coherent argument is. You have been shitting out of your mouth for 2 weeks now about that one game. Wiz lost, Wall sucks, your mom is a whore. Thats more tangent like.

[Human Error]

I am no fan of the Bulls nor a fan of the Wizards but,

If you replace Rose with Wall on the Bulls, the Bulls are a lock for a title.
The current Bulls, while overall seriously loaded, are not a lock.

[LoneyROY7]

I really hope Washington and Toronto face each other in the posteason. Really the only chance to watch two elite PGs go at it in the EC playoffs.

[Dengness9]

I am no fan of the Bulls nor a fan of the Wizards but,

If you replace Rose with Wall on the Bulls, the Bulls are a lock for a title.
The current Bulls, while overall seriously loaded, are not a lock.


You cant say that. That is just not true. It is an unknown. Its 36 games into the season.

Lot of ballin left man.

[tontoz]

I can play that game too. Wall had 5 fouls to Rose's zero. And Wall played 8 more minutes in that game than Rose.

And sorry kid, you dont decide what a coherent argument is. You have been shitting out of your mouth for 2 weeks now about that one game. Wiz lost, Wall sucks, your mom is a whore. Thats more tangent like.



Yeah Wall sucks. He is shooting 25% over the last 7 games while taking the most shots on the team....

Oh wait a minute that isn't Wall. Wall is the guy who is leading the AS voting among east guards and leading the league in assists. Never mind

[Dengness9]

I really hope Washington and Toronto face each other in the posteason. Really the only chance to watch two elite PGs go at it in the EC playoffs.


The reason you hope is because deep down you know Cleveland or Chicago will be one if not both teams in the ECF.

And what a knock on Teague and the Hawks. Hawksfan you seeing this?

[LoneyROY7]

The reason you hope is because deep down you know Cleveland or Chicago will be one if not both teams in the ECF.

And what a knock on Teague and the Hawks. Hawksfan you seeing this?

Damn, you're too easy to troll.

For someone who apparently isn't worried about Rose's play, you sure are making a lot of posts about it.

[Dengness9]

Yeah Wall sucks. He is shooting 25% over the last 7 games while taking the most shots on the team....

Oh wait a minute that isn't Wall. Wall is the guy who is leading the AS voting among guards and leading the league in assists. Never mind


Wall will never win an MVP award. Rose has.

Rose has started an all star game when he was 22.

Wall is finally banking on all that talent. But even he couldnt get his team into the playoffs his first two season like Derrick Rose did.

And Rose already got the better of Wall in their first meeting too.

[tontoz]

I agree that Teague is underrated. I used to live in Atlanta and follow the Hawks. He was a joke for his first season and a half.

[Dengness9]

Damn, you're too easy to troll.

For someone who apparently isn't worried about Rose's play, you sure are making a lot of posts about it.


You kept trying to bait me but I was too seasoned for that.

Im defending Rose for sure. Thats what a fan of a team and their players does.

If I was worried id be acting like Nathan making insane Rose threads.

Nice try. Come again.

Clippers still irrelevant in LA even though the Lakers suck. Clips have no chance to win a chip. You know, I know it.

Thank god DeAndre is on my fantasy team though.

[LoneyROY7]

You kept trying to bait me but I was too seasoned for that.

Im defending Rose for sure. Thats what a fan of a team and their players does.

If I was worried id be acting like Nathan making insane Rose threads.

Nice try. Come again.

Too seasoned? :roll:

I quoted you once and you replied to me personally 6 times. :lol

[tontoz]

Wall will never win an MVP award. Rose has.

Rose has started an all star game when he was 22.

Wall is finally banking on all that talent. But even he couldnt get his team into the playoffs his first two season like Derrick Rose did.

And Rose already got the better of Wall in their first meeting too.

You seem to be assuming that the Wizards are just as good of an organization as the Bulls. Is that really what you are trying to say?

You think Rose wins the MVP playing with guys like McGee/Blatche/Young? Wall has played with crap until last year.

[Dengness9]

Too seasoned? :roll:

I quoted you once and you replied to me personally 6 times. :lol


I replied to anyone who said something to me or that pertained to the convo.

I know you wanna be special but you aren't.


EDIT: Just saw you refer to yourself as the Babe Ruth of ISH. Join Date 2011. Riiiiiiigggggghhhhhht.

[LoneyROY7]

I replied to anyone who said something to me or that pertained to the convo.

I know you wanna be special but you aren't.


EDIT: Just saw you refer to yourself as the Babe Ruth of ISH. Join Date 2011. Riiiiiiigggggghhhhhht.

Damn, you're lame. :roll:

It's a message board, it ain't that serious.

[Dengness9]

You seem to be assuming that the Wizards are just as good of an organization as the Bulls. Is that really what you are trying to say?

You think Rose wins the MVP playing with guys like McGee/Blatche/Young? Wall has played with crap until last year.

No excuses in the shit east. He could have made it once before. Wall regressed in his second season from his first. His 3rd season he was injured but didnt look much better when he did play.

Vinny Del Negro was the Bulls coach in Rose's first two years which is laughable. Bulls were 41-41 back to back years.

[Dengness9]

Damn, you're lame. :roll:

It's a message board, it ain't that serious.


I joined 4 years before you but you have 3000 more posts?

Apparently it is that serious to you:roll:

[LoneyROY7]

I joined 4 years before you but you have 3000 more posts?

Apparently it is that serious to you:roll:

Nah, it's just entertaining.

[tontoz]

No excuses in the shit east. He could have made it once before. Wall regressed in his second season from his first. His 3rd season he was injured but didnt look much better when he did play.

Vinny Del Negro was the Bulls coach in Rose's first two years which is laughable. Bulls were 41-41 back to back years.


Made it once before? He was an All-Star last year.

The Wizards GM is a joke. He had the 6th and 18th pick in the 2011 draft and neither are even in the NBA right now. Less than 2 years ago he gave a 2 year guaranteed deal to Eric Maynor to be Walls backup and he isn't in the NBA any more either.

I could go on and on but the Wizards have been a crap organization for a long time thanks to a clueless GM who somehow manages to keep his job. I am not sure even Lebron could win the MVP on the Wizards of the last few years.

[Dengness9]

Nah, it's just entertaining.


Alright then lets be cool. I love basketball so do you. :cheers:

[LoneyROY7]

Alright then lets be cool. I love basketball so do you. :cheers:

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[Dengness9]

Made it once before? He was an All-Star last year.

The Wizards GM is a joke. He had the 6th and 18th pick in the 2011 draft and neither are even in the NBA right now. Less than 2 years ago he gave a 2 year guaranteed deal to Eric Maynor to be Walls backup and he isn't in the NBA any more either.

I could go on and on but the Wizards have been a crap organization for a long time thanks to a clueless GM who somehow manages to keep his job. I am not sure even Lebron could win the MVP on the Wizards of the last few years.


I meant playoffs not the all-star game. But to be fair I know the Wiz have had to take time to turn things around. MJ set them back a long time!

Bulls were 33-49 the year before they got Rose and werent in the playoffs. That 2007-08 season destroyed that team and all they had built in previous years. Rose completely re-energized the franchise upon his arrival and his play revived the future.

So no matter how competent the Bulls come across, theyve had plenty ups and down since the 90's. Paxson was close to being out after 07-08 kinda like Ainge in Boston before the arrival of the Big 3.

I say that to really just tell you I believe in Derrick Rose's work ethic over John Wall's. Rose came in the league and every year took HUGE leaps. Wall talked the talk Rose did about getting better but I hadnt seen the true improvement til last season but mostly this year.

I just thought Wall was too talented to not improve more his first 3 seasons.

[Dengness9]

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its just a box on my screen cant see it.

[TheBigVeto]

Agreed but it's really Gasol over Butler.

[Pointguard]

I have one account.

Rose played well in the 4th. But Lowry outplayed him for the game. I watched that game. Lowry has far more responsibilities for that team than Rose has any more. And unless you are saying Lowry's scoring when they were winning in the 4th were garbage points you are just wrong about 12 garbage points. And Rose scored 2 points with 4 seconds left. The game was 2 possessions with 13 sec to go. And Rose was the only one of the two that scored after that.

LOL at Rose's best game of the year being a game when the opposing PG goes for 34/6/3 with 1 TO while shooting .642TS%
Game was 105 to 113 with 1:53 to go. Rose scores the next five points. 105 to 118. At the one minute mark Lowery scores nine more points over the next 45 seconds. They were garbage time points. If he started scoring when Rose scored those five points it could have been effective points. Are you guys serious. He scored 25 points that mattered. Its really bad that you guys act like you don't know game dynamics.

[Budadiiii]

Westbrook is having the worst stretch of his season. Shooting 26% over his last 6 games.

But yet he's still better than Rose who is shooting 25% over his last 5 games. :lol

Westbrook at his absolute worst > Rose

Derrick is a mentally fragile chucker who's not even 3rd wheel on his team now. The Bulls are wasting 20 million a year for a guy to sit out when medically cleared and shoot 25% when he actually plays. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[tontoz]

I meant playoffs not the all-star game. But to be fair I know the Wiz have had to take time to turn things around. MJ set them back a long time!

Bulls were 33-49 the year before they got Rose and werent in the playoffs. That 2007-08 season destroyed that team and all they had built in previous years. Rose completely re-energized the franchise upon his arrival and his play revived the future.

So no matter how competent the Bulls come across, theyve had plenty ups and down since the 90's. Paxson was close to being out after 07-08 kinda like Ainge in Boston before the arrival of the Big 3.

I say that to really just tell you I believe in Derrick Rose's work ethic over John Wall's. Rose came in the league and every year took HUGE leaps. Wall talked the talk Rose did about getting better but I hadnt seen the true improvement til last season but mostly this year.

I just thought Wall was too talented to not improve more his first 3 seasons.


Wall is a playmaking pg who has been forced to be the primary scorer by default. His jumper has improved but he still takes too many of them. If he had legit scorers around him it wouldn't be an issue.

The Bulls game was a perfect example. He was setting guys up and they were missing so he started shooting a lot late to try to bring them back.

He had a big month in December in part because he took only 13 shots per game. The Wizards just don't have a go to scorer which works against him. Put him on the Bulls and he would be deadly.

The only way they can become contenders is if they get a new GM or get Durant.

[Dengness9]

Westbrook is having the worst stretch of his season. Shooting 26% over his last 6 games.

But yet he's still better than Rose who is shooting 25% over his last 5 games. :lol

Westbrook at his absolute worst > Rose

Derrick is a mentally fragile chucker who's not even 3rd wheel on his team now. The Bulls are wasting 20 million a year for a guy to sit out when medically cleared and shoot 25% when he actually plays. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Westbrook is one of my two fantasy keepers for 3 years now. This stretch has been BRUTAL. OKC is just going through all the adjustments with KD in and out of the lineup.

Once they figure it out they'll be fine but their seeding is gonna be terrible so all that really matters is just getting in. Phoenix has been impressive this year, OKC just has to rip off a few nice win streaks and they should be good.

Your hate for Rose is purely based off of Rose taking shine from Westbrook in previous years. Its an insecurity thing which is obvious.

[Dengness9]

Wall is a playmaking pg who has been forced to be the primary scorer by default. His jumper has improved but he still takes too many of them. If he had legit scorers around him it wouldn't be an issue.

The Bulls game was a perfect example. He was setting guys up and they were missing so he started shooting a lot late to try to bring them back.

He had a big month in December in part because he took only 13 shots per game. The Wizards just don't have a go to scorer which works against him. Put him on the Bulls and he would be deadly.

The only way they can become contenders is if they get a new GM or get Durant.


The Durant to Washington angle is right around the corner. I have no idea what happens but if OKC doesn't win a chip soon.... I think he could leave.

And for fantasy, Beal is another guy i reached for even knowing he was injured to start the season. He's had a few games where he has shown flashes of being the guy i thought I was gonna get, but man he just hasn't taken off yet. Whats the deal with that?

[Ncrazyballa]

Westbrook is having the worst stretch of his season. Shooting 26% over his last 6 games.

But yet he's still better than Rose who is shooting 25% over his last 5 games. :lol

Westbrook at his absolute worst > Rose

Derrick is a mentally fragile chucker who's not even 3rd wheel on his team now. The Bulls are wasting 20 million a year for a guy to sit out when medically cleared and shoot 25% when he actually plays. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

The difference is that rose is still leading his team to a 8-2 record for the last ten games and westbrook is 5-5. rose has an impact even when he doesnt shoot well, cant say that westbrook has that same dimension.

[Budadiiii]

The difference is that rose is still leading his team to a 8-2 record for the last ten games and westbrook is 5-5. rose has an impact even when he doesnt shoot well, cant say that westbrook has that same dimension.
"leading his team"

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No, you ****ing trolling retard. He's not leading anything but an unhealthy retard lifestyle of skittles and mental fragility. It's Pau and Butlers team and they get credit for the wins, not some 25% shooting retard who quit on his team 2 years in a row because he wasn't mentally ready to play.

Nice alt account though you cowardly bitch.

[tontoz]

The Durant to Washington angle is right around the corner. I have no idea what happens but if OKC doesn't win a chip soon.... I think he could leave.

And for fantasy, Beal is another guy i reached for even knowing he was injured to start the season. He's had a few games where he has shown flashes of being the guy i thought I was gonna get, but man he just hasn't taken off yet. Whats the deal with that?


Beal is 21 and it shows. Very good from 3 but bad inside the arc.

His midrange jumper off the dribble has never been good but has been epically bad this season. He takes too many just like many of the other guys. Our coach likes the midrange shot. :banghead:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=bealbr01&match=single&year_id=&is_playoffs=N&team_id=&opp_id=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&shot_pts=&is_make=&shot_type=&shot_distance_min=10&shot_distance_max=22&q1=Y&q2=Y&q3=Y&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=12&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=&margin_max=&c1stat=&c1comp=ge&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=ge&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=ge&c3val=&order_by=fg

He is ok at beating guys off the dribble but finishing inside has been a bit shaky. Sometimes it looks like he doesn't know what to do It will probably take a couple of years before he hits his stride.

Strangely enough he seems to do pretty well against Butler. :oldlol:

[Ncrazyballa]

"leading his team"

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

No, you ****ing trolling retard. He's not leading anything but an unhealthy retard lifestyle of skittles and mental fragility. It's Pau and Butlers team and they get credit for the wins, not some 25% shooting retard who quit on his team 2 years in a row because he wasn't mentally ready to play.

Nice alt account though you cowardly bitch.

Never go full retard, or full budadiiii.

[Pointguard]

Never go full retard, or full budadiiii.
Hey don't mind him. He's beyond coming back is right.