Stein: Mozgov to Cleveland as soon as today

[Trollsmasher]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine
ESPN sources say tell @WindhorstESPN and I that Cavs are in advanced discussions to acquire Timofey Mozgov from Denver


Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine
ESPN sources say Cavs are prepared to surrender at least one first-round pick and additional trade assets to Denver for Mozgov


Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine
Deal sending Timofey Mozgov from Denver to Cleveland, I'm told, is on course to be completed as soon as today


it's happening:applause:

edit: Now official


Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
Cleveland will send Denver two picks that it controls via Memphis and Oklahoma City, league source tells Yahoo. No other players in deal.

Cavs will use their trade exception in the deal

Cavs will also obtain Denver's 2015 2nd round pick


Jason Lloyd ‏@JasonLloydABJ
#Cavs also obtain second round pick from Nuggets in Mozgov trade, per source

Picks protection:

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
Here are protections on Memphis pick: 1-5 and 15-30 in 2015, 1-5 and 15-30 in '16, 1-5 in '17 and 1-5 in 2018; unprotected in 2019


Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
Protections on Cleveland first-round to Denver via OKC: 1-18 in 2015, 1-15 in '16; 1-15 in 2017. After '17, it becomes two seconds.

[VengefulAngel]

Meh.....

[Fudge]

No excuses now.

[Clocian-IGN]

This is the guy who makes them contenders? I hardly believe that unless I'm blind deaf and dumb

[VengefulAngel]

Kyrie/Delly/Price
JR/Shump/Harris
Lebron/Marion/Miller/Jones
Kevin Love/Thompson/Marion/Lebron (spot minutes)
Mozgoz/Thompson/Haywood?/Varejao (when healthy)

Not sure if this is enough...

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kyrie/Delly/Price
JR/Shump/Harris
Lebron/Marion/Miller/Jones
Kevin Love/Thompson/Marion/Lebron (spot minutes)
Mozgoz/Thompson/Haywood?/Varejao (when healthy)

Not sure if this is enough...

Hopefully this is sarcasm

[VengefulAngel]

Hopefully this is sarcasm

Meh, still unproven defense. Need a better back up PG and the front court has horrible depth.

[Top Gun]

Wow. No excuses for Lebron. But his legacy is tarnished by loading up his teams too much, embarrassing.

[lilteapot]

This is the guy who makes them contenders? I hardly believe that unless I'm blind deaf and dumb
Maybe not, but it gives them what they need.

[Real14]

:biggums: :facepalm :coleman:

[tpols]

mozgov is the 25th ranked team defender for centers.. hes definitely a lot better than varejeo defensively, but hes also worse offensively.

[hawkfan]

If the Cavs add Dalembert too, that's 4 ex Knicks.

[Meticode]

Kyrie/Delly/Price
JR/Shump/Harris
Lebron/Marion/Miller/Jones
Kevin Love/Thompson/Marion/Lebron (spot minutes)
Mozgoz/Thompson/Haywood?/Varejao (when healthy)

Not sure if this is enough...
Once Iman comes back and is healthy I would imagine he would start. He's the type of starting 2 they've been looking for. A wing defender who's not taking the ball out of Love, Irving or LeBron's hands.

[kurple]

mozgov will really help cleveland. only thing he really struggle with is pick n roll defense.

but he's a good shooter, rim protector and man2man defender. dont look at defensive ranking because the nuggets as a team play horrible D

[Meticode]

Cavs paying a steep price for him. They're sending their first round picks from OKC and Memphis for him.

[kNIOKAS]

Kyrie/Delly/Price
JR/Shump/Harris
Lebron/Marion/Miller/Jones
Kevin Love/Thompson/Marion/Lebron (spot minutes)
Mozgoz/Thompson/Haywood?/Varejao (when healthy)

Not sure if this is enough...
Wait, who are they trading in for Mozgov? None of those people you listed?

Anyway, Denver have had a bread of bigs it seems.

[VengefulAngel]

Cavs paying a steep price for him. They're sending their first round picks from OKC and Memphis for him.

Isn't the Memphis one heavily protected?

[PJR]

Two firsts for that dude? Talk about desperation.

[VengefulAngel]

Wait, who are they trading in for Mozgov? None of those people you listed?

Anyway, Denver have had a bread of bigs it seems.

Just trade assets, looks like the two first round picks from Memphis and OKC.

[NugzFan]

Just trade assets, looks like the two first round picks from Memphis and OKC.

Anyone know the protection on both picks?

[Akhenaten]

Shawn Bradley 2.0

[Meticode]

Anyone know the protection on both picks?

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 7m7 minutes ago
Here are protections on Memphis pick: 1-5 and 15-30 in 2015, 1-5 and 15-30 in '16, 1-5 in '17 and 1-5 in 2018; unprotected in 2019

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 4m4 minutes ago
Protections on Cleveland first-round to Denver via OKC: 1-18 in 2015, 1-15 in '16; 1-15 in 2017. After '17, it becomes two seconds.

[VengefulAngel]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 7m7 minutes ago
Here are protections on Memphis pick: 1-5 and 15-30 in 2015, 1-5 and 15-30 in '16, 1-5 in '17 and 1-5 in 2018; unprotected in 2019

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 4m4 minutes ago
Protections on Cleveland first-round to Denver via OKC: 1-18 in 2015, 1-15 in '16; 1-15 in 2017. After '17, it becomes two seconds.

Why would the Cav's do this...

for a 9/6/1/1 player.

[Meticode]

I have to applaud David Griffin. The media starts reporting there's a rift between Blatt and the players and he closes that door swiftly. Then within 72 hours after that he makes two big trades that move a player that wasn't fitting into the future of the team (Waiters) for players to fill holes Iman (wing defender) Mozgov (interior defender).

[NugzFan]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 7m7 minutes ago
Here are protections on Memphis pick: 1-5 and 15-30 in 2015, 1-5 and 15-30 in '16, 1-5 in '17 and 1-5 in 2018; unprotected in 2019

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 4m4 minutes ago
Protections on Cleveland first-round to Denver via OKC: 1-18 in 2015, 1-15 in '16; 1-15 in 2017. After '17, it becomes two seconds.

Thanks

Not bad, not bad...

[ArbitraryWater]

Hopefully this is sarcasm

Are you looking at the names or how they're actually playing?

Thats not close to being enough if you want to compete with the Bulls and any of the 8 Western playoff teams

[BigTicket]

Two first round picks does seems like a lot for a mediocre center.

Still, this means that overall the Cavs got Shumpert, Mozgov and Smith for Waiters + a late 1st round pick. Considering how low Waiters trade value had dropped, that is a pretty good.

Shumpert could be the Cavs starting SG soon, with Mozgov starting at Center, and Smith as the top scorer off the bench.

[Meticode]

Why would the Cav's do this...

for a 9/6/1/1 player.
Trying to win now, biggest weakness on the team is defense. Both their trades the last two days have addressed this. They needed somewhat of a decent interior defender.

This year he's 9/8/1 at 25 minutes per game. I'll take it.

[FatComputerNerd]

Mozgov is a beast

[Trollsmasher]

updated op

[navy]

Did David Blatt really want Mozgov that badly?

[TheMarkMadsen]

Are you looking at the names or how they're actually playing?

Thats not close to being enough if you want to compete with the Bulls and any of the 8 Western playoff teams

I'm looking at a team with 3 all stars including a guy who his fans swear is the most impactful player of all time struggle to even have a better record than the Kobe/Kwame led Lakers.

Cleveland is in straight panic mode and if Love leaves this off season, cavs are screwed.

[hawkfan]

How many picks of the Cavs sent out This year?

[VengefulAngel]

Trying to win now, biggest weakness on the team is defense. Both their trades the last two days have addressed this. They needed somewhat of a decent interior defender.

This year he's 9/8/1 at 25 minutes per game. I'll take it.

Do you think they'll also get Dalambert off waivers as well?They need some short term depth as this team is so depleted. Plus what an earth is happening with Ray Allen. This team is being constructed on the fly, they have collected a large amount of talent and filled some of the holes they need to, can't wait to see them healthy.

[ArbitraryWater]

I'm looking at a team with 3 all stars including a guy who his fans swear is the most impactful player of all time struggle to even have a better record than the Kobe/Kwame led Lakers.

Cleveland is in straight panic mode and if Love leaves this off season, cavs are screwed.

Love scoring 30 and losing to the 76ers.. empty.

Whole team doesn't play defense, neither Love or Irving.

LeBron, injured, 25/8 on 50%.. better than any Kobe season ever (lol), but the supporting cast is horrible, line them up against any West playoff team, you get a bunch of L's.

[Droid101]

Love scoring 30 and losing to the 76ers.. empty.

Whole team doesn't play defense, neither Love or Irving.

LeBron, injured, 25/8 on 50%.. better than any Kobe season ever (lol), but the supporting cast is horrible, line them up against any West playoff team, you get a bunch of L's.
You try to be taken seriously, then you say garbage like this. :facepalm

[TheMarkMadsen]

LeBron, injured, 25/8 on 50%.. better than any Kobe season ever (lol)

:roll: :roll:

01,02,03,06,07,08,09, 2010, 2013 says hello

And yes Kevin Love lost agains the 76ers. The team was missing Waiters, Irving, Varejo, Lebron and Marion got hurt during the game.. So who cares.

[Meticode]

Do you think they'll also get Dalambert off waivers as well?They need some short term depth as this team is so depleted. Plus what an earth is happening with Ray Allen. This team is being constructed on the fly, they have collected a large amount of talent and filled some of the holes they need to, can't wait to see them healthy.
I'm not sure what Cleveland is going to do I wasn't expecting Waiters to be traded this soon. Hell, Waiters did warms-up and everything before the game and the payers found out he wasn't playing like 90 seconds before they even took the court. :oldlol:

[VengefulAngel]

Love scoring 30 and losing to the 76ers.. empty.

Whole team doesn't play defense, neither Love or Irving.

LeBron, injured, 25/8 on 50%.. better than any Kobe season ever (lol), but the supporting cast is horrible, line them up against any West playoff team, you get a bunch of L's.

This post is full of crap....

[Lebron23]

Lebron already a better GM than Jordan.

[iamgine]

Great moves by Cavs.

These moves will help them tremendously.

[riseagainst]

no excuses now. Dude scored 93 points that one time.

http://defpenradio.com/wp-content//2014/04/mozgov-93pts1.png

[navy]

no excuses now. Dude scored 93 points that one time.

http://defpenradio.com/wp-content//2014/04/mozgov-93pts1.png:oldlol:

[Milbuck]

Love scoring 30 and losing to the 76ers.. empty.

Whole team doesn't play defense, neither Love or Irving.

LeBron, injured, 25/8 on 50%.. better than any Kobe season ever (lol), but the supporting cast is horrible, line them up against any West playoff team, you get a bunch of L's.
The Cavs with Lebron, Love, and Kyrie are on pace to win the same amount of games as Kobe and his cast of Smush, Devean George, Odom, Kwame, Chris Mihm, Luke Walton, Brian Cook, Sasha Vujacic, and Laron Profit. Lebron's team can't play defense....Kobe's team, outside of really one player, couldn't play period :oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

:roll: :roll:

01,02,03,06,07,08,09, 2010, 2013 says hello

And yes Kevin Love lost agains the 76ers. The team was missing Waiters, Irving, Varejo, Lebron and Marion got hurt during the game.. So who cares.

Nahh... Kobe dreams of that efficient scoring and playmaking.. both categories not touched in any year.

Waiters and Varejao are out/away for the year, if you count on them being some significant pieces you better go ahead and admit the team just took some big hits.. at least be consistent.

Marion is seriously irrelevant.

[Droid101]

no excuses now. Dude scored 93 points that one time.

http://defpenradio.com/wp-content//2014/04/mozgov-93pts1.png
LeBron now has the GOAT center. No excuses.

[ArbitraryWater]

The Cavs with Lebron, Love, and Kyrie are on pace to win the same amount of games as Kobe and his cast of Smush, Devean George, Odom, Kwame, Chris Mihm, Luke Walton, Brian Cook, Sasha Vujacic, and Laron Profit. Lebron's team can't play defense....Kobe's team, outside of really one player, couldn't play period :oldlol:

You mention LeBron yet don't mention that the team WITH him is 18-11...... In their first 29 games on an entirely new put together team. Thats good. It went downhill the moment LBJ went out due to his back.

[ArbitraryWater]

no excuses now. Dude scored 93 points that one time.

http://defpenradio.com/wp-content//2014/04/mozgov-93pts1.png

93/29 on 15 FGA = GOAT GAME :bowdown:

[VengefulAngel]

93/29 on 15 FGA = GOAT GAME :bowdown:

It wasn't even his career high in points, GOAT. :applause: :applause:

[Lebron23]

Kyrie/Delly/Price
JR/Shump/Harris
Lebron/Marion/Miller/Jones
Kevin Love/Thompson/Marion/Lebron (spot minutes)
Mozgoz/Thompson/Haywood?/Varejao (when healthy)

Not sure if this is enough...

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[VengefulAngel]

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/LeBron-James-Dancing-After-Winning-Gold-Medal-2012-London-Olympics.gif

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Still need Jesus.

[DukeDelonte13]

Two late heavily protected firsts for mozgov. I think it's a pretty even swap. With those two late picks a team would hope to get at least one player of mozgov's caliber. We aren't talking lottery picks here.


with all that being said getting JR, Shump, and now Mozgov (minus that memphis pick) is good value for waiters. I'm still disappointed Dion is gone though.. Dude was definitely the most fun cav to root for and to watch play IMO.

[Rooster]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 7m7 minutes ago
Here are protections on Memphis pick: 1-5 and 15-30 in 2015, 1-5 and 15-30 in '16, 1-5 in '17 and 1-5 in 2018; unprotected in 2019

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 4m4 minutes ago
Protections on Cleveland first-round to Denver via OKC: 1-18 in 2015, 1-15 in '16; 1-15 in 2017. After '17, it becomes two seconds.

Good trade for Denver and bad for Cleveland. That's what happen when one get desperate but I believe Mozgov can be a good fit.

[Lebron23]

Still need Jesus.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[HomieWeMajor]

#60wins
Regular season highlights shown in black and white over Kanye West's 'Amazing'.

[VengefulAngel]

Two late heavily protected firsts for mozgov. I think it's a pretty even swap. With those two late picks a team would hope to get at least one player of mozgov's caliber. We aren't talking lottery picks here.


with all that being said getting JR, Shump, and now Mozgov (minus that memphis pick) is good value for waiters. I'm still disappointed Dion is gone though.. Dude was definitely the most fun cav to root for and to watch play IMO.

Dion has all the talent in the world, just need him to play within a team orientated environment. When he's locked in he's a very very good player.

[Kidbasketball20]

BEST MOVE EVER MADE


Mozgov is a top tier C in the right system.


He's gonna be the Mike Miller of big men

[NugzFan]

Two late heavily protected firsts for mozgov. I think it's a pretty even swap. With those two late picks a team would hope to get at least one player of mozgov's caliber. We aren't talking lottery picks here.


with all that being said getting JR, Shump, and now Mozgov (minus that memphis pick) is good value for waiters. I'm still disappointed Dion is gone though.. Dude was definitely the most fun cav to root for and to watch play IMO.

It possible that Memphis pick ends up in the lotto.

Even if it doesn't, good trade

[IncarceratedBob]

In the right system Moz can be a borderline elite big man. Nice, soft touch, good feet, great bball IQ. Solid move from CLE.

[Genaro]

No excuses now.

[Lebron23]

#60wins
Regular season highlights shown in black and white over Kanye West's 'Amazing'.


Lebron needs to sign Alex Ariza strength & conditioning coach.


http://75a9.http.cdn.softlayer.net/0075A9/thesweetscience/images/Alex-Ariza-829.jpg

[DukeDelonte13]

I guess Cleveland is getting a second rounder back.

[Uncle Drew]

Finally!

[NattyPButter]

I better not see no all white man line up from Blatt if Kyrie and Lebron goes out again. This is not Euro league. Still need a better back up PG and another center.

[Lebron23]

Kyrie/Delly/Price
JR/Shump/Harris
Lebron/Marion/Miller/Jones
Kevin Love/Thompson/Marion/Lebron (spot minutes)
Mozgoz/Thompson/Haywood?/Varejao (when healthy)

Not sure if this is enough...


Looks like a legit playoffs contending team.

[Trollsmasher]

I better not see no all white man line up from Blatt if Kyrie and Lebron goes out again. This is not Euro league. Still need a better back up PG and another center.
Delly
Harris
Miller
Love
Mozgov

whiter than the Wolves year and half ago

[VengefulAngel]

Delly
Harris
Miller
Love
Mozgov

whiter than the Wolves year and half ago

That line up's shooting haha.:bowdown: :bowdown:

[Lebron23]

Delly
Harris
Miller
Love
Mozgov

whiter than the Wolves year and half ago

:applause: :applause: :applause:

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http://gifsection.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/LeBron-James-celebrates-game-winning-3-against-Golden-State.gif

The Greatest team of all time had 8 white players on their roster.


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[Droid101]

Why is this moron spamming lebald gifs?

[JohnnySic]

The Greatest team of all time had 7 white player on their roster.



8

Bird
McHale
Ainge
Walton
Wedman
Sichting
Kite
Carlisle

:eek:

[NattyPButter]

:applause: :applause: :applause:

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http://gifsection.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/LeBron-James-celebrates-game-winning-3-against-Golden-State.gif

The Greatest team of all time had 7 white player on their roster.


http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140226022017/nba/images/0/0e/L_%281%29.jpg

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no comparison since the only white players that are good or shows talent is Love, Harris, and maybe Mozgov. Delly sucks ass and Miller is old.

[russwest0]

God damn, Cleveland saying bye to first round picks like it's nothing :roll:

[Straight_Ballin]

Two firsts for that dude? Talk about desperation.

When you are a mistake by the lake, desperate measures result.

[VengefulAngel]

no comparison since the only white players that are good or shows talent is Love, Harris, and maybe Mozgov. Delly sucks ass and Miller is old.

Miller is old, but still can shoot better than 99% of the NBA. Such a smooth and quick release.

[Akrazotile]

No excuses now.


:lol

[Lebron23]

God damn, Cleveland saying bye to first round picks like it's nothing :roll:


Winning an NBA title is more important than multiple first round picks. The Cavaliers are in a win mode right now.

[NattyPButter]

Winning an NBA title is more important than multiple first round picks. The Cavaliers are in a win mode right now.

shows that letter didn't mean shit. Lebron fawked up the Cavs future.

[Dengness9]

More front runner fair weather bandwagon ex Heat fans in here since Lebron promised 8 titles at high school assembly.:lol

[DukeDelonte13]

Winning an NBA title is more important than multiple first round picks. The Cavaliers are in a win mode right now.


Cleveland was acquiring picks like a machine during the no-lebron era.

[Lebron23]

shows that letter didn't mean shit. Lebron fawked up the Cavs future.


I don't think a Prime Wiggins will ever be better than this current version of Lebron.

Lebron at the same age averaged 27/8/7 in 2005.

[FatComputerNerd]

no comparison since the only white players that are good or shows talent is Love, Harris, and maybe Mozgov. Delly sucks ass and Miller is old.

Delly don't suck.

[KyrieTheFuture]

I would love to see someone adequately explain how those picks would help this team more than acquiring mozgov right now

[TheMarkMadsen]

Cavs back to being the most stacked team in the league

[Cocaine80s]

Is Mozgov better than Verajao?

[bluechox2]

wow, 2 ****ing first rounders

[R.I.P.]

I would love to see someone adequately explain how those picks would help this team more than acquiring mozgov right now

You

[FatComputerNerd]

Is Mozgov better than Verajao?

Bigger/Stronger, better rim protector.

Weaker offensively.


Moot issue though since AV is out for the season...

[kurple]

Is Mozgov better than Verajao?
not better, but different

[Lebron23]

Is Mozgov better than Verajao?


He did averaged 8.2 ppg, 7.8 rpg, and 1.2 bpg in 25 mpg for the Nuggets. Cavs need his length, and shot blocking ability in the playoffs.

[Lebron23]

Bigger/Stronger, better rim protector.

Weaker offensively.


Moot issue though since AV is out for the season...


Bingo!!!

[KyrieTheFuture]

Is Mozgov better than Verajao?
Well he'll certainly be playing this year, so yes he is.

[smoovegittar]

Man, this seems to me like a desperation move. Cavs have basically the rest of this season and half of next before McBron breaks out the suitcase.

I wish the Cavs good luck.

[kurple]

Bingo!!!
he's not a great rimprotector in terms of blocked shots. but he does a good job contesting and keeping his arms straight up

[Uncle Drew]

Now if only if we could add Dalembert to give us some more depth.

[Trollsmasher]

Jason Lloyd ‏@JasonLloydABJ
#Cavs also obtain second round pick from Nuggets in Mozgov trade, per source

not sure if anyone else confirmed this

[NattyPButter]

Delly don't suck.

watching him play on TV on my screen and adanaced stats say otherwise http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXdXXdellama01.html&t=4 Dude is damn bum.

[NuggetsFan]

Nice. Hope this means Nuggets are blowing it up. Nurkic better start and get 25-30 minutes a night so I can get a little entertainment out of this season :oldlol:

[bagelred]

So with Verjeao out, who are the 3 most important role players surrounding Cavs Big Three? Shumpert, Mozgov and JR Smith....three former Knicks!

It's like the Cavaliers and Knicks are going to win the Championship together! Parades in TWO CITIES! :cheers:

[bluechox2]

So with Verjeao out, who are the 3 most important role players surrounding Cavs Big Three? Shumpert, Mozgov and JR Smith....three former Knicks!

It's like the Cavaliers and Knicks are going to win the Championship together! Parades in TWO CITIES! :cheers:
more like the cavs have adopted the knicks plan...

[bagelred]

Can one of you young photoshop kids take the Cavaliers logo and change the colors to Knicks blue and orange? Much obliged...

[Lebron23]

So with Verjeao out, who are the 3 most important role players surrounding Cavs Big Three? Shumpert, Mozgov and JR Smith....three former Knicks!

It's like the Cavaliers and Knicks are going to win the Championship together! Parades in TWO CITIES! :cheers:


Thank you for helping the Cavaliers.

[Twiens]

Holy. #noexcuses



Time for Nurkic to go HAM though :cheers:

[NattyPButter]

So with Verjeao out, who are the 3 most important role players surrounding Cavs Big Three? Shumpert, Mozgov and JR Smith....three former Knicks!

It's like the Cavaliers and Knicks are going to win the Championship together! Parades in TWO CITIES! :cheers:

still have the Heat squad too.

[Trollsmasher]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12134026/nba-trade-grades-cavaliers-acquire-timofey-mozgov-picks?ex_cid=InsiderTwitter_Pelton_TradeGradesCLED EN

can someone with insider screen it?

[christian1923]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-lUzBPfrKpnk/TgFXd1LeGtI/AAAAAAAAAKk/amzsbg6B9hg/s1600/Blake-Griffin-Dunk-Over-Mozgov.jpg

[Blingster]

I can honestly say I will Miss Mozzy.

If Moz can stay out of foul trouble ( which has been a concern) he can be very productive. Being surrounded by talent will actually help him too. The one bad thing is will say about Moz, is he has hands made of stone.

On the bright side two 1st round picks that we can package for something. Salary relief, and an open roster spot.. oh and more time for Nurkic.

Best wishes to you Mozzy :cheers:

http://i.imgur.com/VQ7mdMV.gif

[JebronLames]

Goat gonna goat.

[VengefulAngel]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12134026/nba-trade-grades-cavaliers-acquire-timofey-mozgov-picks?ex_cid=InsiderTwitter_Pelton_TradeGradesCLED EN

can someone with insider screen it?
Here ya go :)


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[RedBlackAttack]

Cavs paying a steep price for him. They're sending their first round picks from OKC and Memphis for him.
I really don't think it's all that steep. They've been trying desperately to get Mozgov for some time now. He and Blatt have previous experience together and he'll fit nicely on this roster on both ends.

Yesterday's trade and today's trade should be looked at as one big move, because that OKC pick, which was used to obtain Mozgov, was never going to be something the Cavs were going to hold onto. They had to secure it to make this happen. No doubt this deal was basically in place before they pulled the trigger yesterday.

So, Dion Waiters and Memphis' 1st Round pick for Mozgov, Shumpert, JR Smith and a 2nd-Rounder. That's a totally reasonable price, imo.

[Lebron23]

Goat gonna goat.


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[HurricaneKid]

It makes Cleveland better but they have overpaid for Love, Shumpert, and now for Mozgov. They spent their massive war chest of assets and don't have all that much t I show for it.

[Levity]

nurkic to fight for that ROY spot.

[RedBlackAttack]

It makes Cleveland better but they have overpaid for Love, Shumpert, and now for Mozgov. They spent their massive war chest of assets and don't have all that much t I show for it.
Their "war chest" that they've been accumulating for four years actually netted them this...

LeBron James
Kevin Love
Timofy Mozgov
Iman Shumpert
Shawn Marion
Mike Miller
JR Smith
James Jones

And, they still have Haywood's huge expirer to use next year on an additional piece or a couple pieces.

I think most teams would take that, tbh.

[Trollsmasher]

It makes Cleveland better but they have overpaid for Love, Shumpert, and now for Mozgov. They spent their massive war chest of assets and don't have all that much t I show for it.
Of course they spent their war chest. You either keep the war chest or you spend it all. There is no point in staying in the middle.

[HurricaneKid]

I really don't think it's all that steep. They've been trying desperately to get Mozgov for some time now. He and Blatt have previous experience together and he'll fit nicely on this roster on both ends.

Yesterday's trade and today's trade should be looked at as one big move, because that OKC pick, which was used to obtain Mozgov, was never going to be something the Cavs were going to hold onto. They had to secure it to make this happen. No doubt this deal was basically in place before they pulled the trigger yesterday.

So, Dion Waiters and Memphis' 1st Round pick for Mozgov, Shumpert, JR Smith and a 2nd-Rounder. That's a totally reasonable price, imo.


Waiters was on a rookie deal for this and next year. Shump is a RFA after this year and JR has one of the most unpalatable contracts in the league. If ownership will pony up for Love, LBJ, Thompson, Shump, after overpaying for Varejao, and STILL acquiring someone with the TPE and acquire someone for Haywood in the off season it'sall fine. But at some point sticker shock Iis going to kick in

[R.I.P.]

And, they still have Haywood's huge expirer to use next year on an additional piece or a couple pieces.

Haywood makes like two million.

[RedBlackAttack]

Haywood makes like two million.
Take a closer look at his contract. Particularly next season.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Haywood makes like two million.
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[The Red Viper]

How would the Denver fans here rate Mozgov's defensive game? I have watched him play only a few times and he looked fine defensively.

If he is the rim protector Cavs have been craving about, he would be a big boost for their roster. Not only does this help their defense but also the likes of LeBron and Love, especially Love who has been getting murdered in the paint.

[BurningHammer]

Congrats to Jusuf Nurkic. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

[RedBlackAttack]

Waiters was on a rookie deal for this and next year. Shump is a RFA after this year and JR has one of the most unpalatable contracts in the league. If ownership will pony up for Love, LBJ, Thompson, Shump, after overpaying for Varejao, and STILL acquiring someone with the TPE and acquire someone for Haywood in the off season it'sall fine. But at some point sticker shock Iis going to kick in
Gilbert has never experienced sticker shock in his life. For a guy who takes a lot of heat, he has always been willing to spend whatever it takes. I really don't think ponying up will be an issue.

I don't think this is even a panic trade, as it is being portrayed. They were trying to get Mozgov way before Varejao got hurt or even the season started. That is a guy who, when hired, Blatt immediately put a spotlight on as the ideal fit at center.

We'll see how it works, but this team is a lot better today than it was two days ago. Teams were flat-out feasting on our interior defense to the point of embarrassment.

[Meticode]

I really don't think it's all that steep. They've been trying desperately to get Mozgov for some time now. He and Blatt have previous experience together and he'll fit nicely on this roster on both ends.

Yesterday's trade and today's trade should be looked at as one big move, because that OKC pick, which was used to obtain Mozgov, was never going to be something the Cavs were going to hold onto. They had to secure it to make this happen. No doubt this deal was basically in place before they pulled the trigger yesterday.

So, Dion Waiters and Memphis' 1st Round pick for Mozgov, Shumpert, JR Smith and a 2nd-Rounder. That's a totally reasonable price, imo.
Steep!

[R.I.P.]

Waiters was on a rookie deal for this and next year. Shump is a RFA after this year and JR has one of the most unpalatable contracts in the league. If ownership will pony up for Love, LBJ, Thompson, Shump, after overpaying for Varejao, and STILL acquiring someone with the TPE and acquire someone for Haywood in the off season it'sall fine. But at some point sticker shock Iis going to kick in

They have to pay Love, Thompson and Shumpert. They possibly have a LeBron contract situation. They still have Irving, Smith and Varejao to pay. They

[RedBlackAttack]

It would be nice if we could also add Dalembert for depth purposes, btw. Don't rule it out.


Steep!

Not that steep. Unfortunately, Dion's trade value around the league was not a true reflection of his talent. I'm honestly shocked we've done as well as we did by moving him.

[The Red Viper]

It would be nice if we could also add Dalembert for depth purposes, btw. Don't rule it out.



Not that steep. Unfortunately, Dion's trade value around the league was not a true reflection of his talent. I'm honestly shocked we've done as well as we did by moving him.

With AP Price being waived, I am guessing one of Dalembert or Jermaine O'Neal is next to add some depth in their bench.

[RedBlackAttack]

[QUOTE=R.I.P.]They have to pay Love, Thompson and Shumpert. They possibly have a LeBron contract situation. They still have Irving, Smith and Varejao to pay. They

[DMAVS41]

It would be nice if we could also add Dalembert for depth purposes, btw. Don't rule it out.



Not that steep. Unfortunately, Dion's trade value around the league was not a true reflection of his talent. I'm honestly shocked we've done as well as we did by moving him.

Not steep at all considering Waiters was useless for the Cavs going forward and his value isn't that great.

They addressed every single need this team currently has and now they don't have to worry about paying Waiters in the future.

Mozgov is on a good contract this year and next as well iirc.

The only really "steep" part of it was taking on JR Smith's contract...and Gilbert will be willing to pay the tax...so who cares? Doesn't hurt them at all.

[ihoopallday]

:roll: :roll: ESPN showing Blake Griffin's dunk on him. Guess that's the only notable highlight of his career.

[DMAVS41]

:roll: :roll: ESPN showing Blake Griffin's dunk on him. Guess that's the only notable highlight of his career.

Hilarious. Showed it about 10 times...

[ihoopallday]

Hilarious. Showed it about 10 times...

No mercy from ESPN

[RedBlackAttack]

Not steep at all considering Waiters was useless for the Cavs going forward and his value isn't that great.

They addressed every single need this team currently has and now they don't have to worry about paying Waiters in the future.

Mozgov is on a good contract this year and next as well iirc.

The only really "steep" part of it was taking on JR Smith's contract...and Gilbert will be willing to pay the tax...so who cares? Doesn't hurt them at all.
^^^ What I'm saying.

It sucked losing Dion, because he does have a lot of talent and is only 22, but this yield comfortably exceeds his production even at its absolute best. Mozgov and Shumpert are HUGE upgrades from a team needs perspective. Absolutely enormous.

And, they're both relatively young with plenty left to give. It's not like we unloaded all of our assets for veterans on their last leg.

[Fire Colangelo]

It's not like Waiters was doing anything for the team, so they're not losing anything.

No need to worry about picks with LeBron on the team. unless he leaves this summer lol

[BlazerRed]

Kyrie/Delly/Price
JR/Shump/Harris
Lebron/Marion/Miller/Jones
Kevin Love/Thompson/Marion/Lebron (spot minutes)
Mozgoz/Thompson/Haywood?/Varejao (when healthy)

Not sure if this is enough...
No excuses

[Cocaine80s]

I guess this is a good thing since this forces Lebron and Kyrie to involve Love in more PNRs since Mozgov is useless on offense (based on what other posters told me).

[RedBlackAttack]

I guess this is a good thing since this forces Lebron and Kyrie to involve Love in more PNRs since Mozgov is useless on offense (based on what other posters told me).
I don't know a ton about Mozgov, but everything I've read tells me he is very capable as a P&R player and useful offensively, if not somewhat limited. :confusedshrug:

[PleezeBelieve]

Cavs playing a losing hand... that is all

[PleezeBelieve]

Cavs will regret keeping Irving and losing Waiters.

[Budadiiii]

How much help does LeBron need? Jesus Christ.

Not only no excuses... but if he loses with this stacked roster it would be worse than 2011. Never seen such a stacked team in my life.

[DMAVS41]

I don't know a ton about Mozgov, but everything I've read tells me he is very capable as a P&R player and useful offensively, if not somewhat limited. :confusedshrug:

He's definitely a nice big. Definitely capable of starting and playing like 25 minutes a game and getting you something in the range of 7 points and 8 boards while doing an average to slightly above average of rim protection. He's better defensively, imo, than Andy....

Also, I actually think JR Smith could thrive on this team. Just throw him out there off the bench and let him go wild for a handful of minutes and see what happens. Dude could definitely be like a 12 ppg guy in 18 minutes in the playoffs.

All about role. Barea is the best example of this in my opinion. Dude is a huge positive in the right role...play him 18 minutes on a loaded team and he's great. I think Smith could be the same type of impact player...20 minutes and 10 to 12 points off the bench.

[KyrieTheFuture]

How much help does LeBron need? Jesus Christ.

Not only no excuses... but if he loses with this stacked roster it would be worse than 2011. Never seen such a stacked team in my life.
That happens when you're 11 years old.

[Budadiiii]

That happens when you're 11 years old.
HILARIOUS!!!!!!!! HAhahahaha

So funny. Wow.

[HurricaneKid]

[QUOTE=R.I.P.]They have to pay Love, Thompson and Shumpert. They possibly have a LeBron contract situation. They still have Irving, Smith and Varejao to pay. They

[RedBlackAttack]

Cavs will regret keeping Irving and losing Waiters.
I think you should strongly consider becoming an OKC fan. Seriously. At least think about it.

[HurricaneKid]

How much help does LeBron need? Jesus Christ.

Not only no excuses... but if he loses with this stacked roster it would be worse than 2011. Never seen such a stacked team in my life.

Adding Mozgov to a team that lost to the 76ers last night equals GoAT. Now I've heard it all.

[fpliii]

So, is it fair to say that Ray Allen doesn't have a place on this roster?

[Budadiiii]

Cavs fixed their major issues and got a supremely talented SG to replace Waiters.

I don't understand how they're not the favorites now. As if having 3 all stars wasn't enough.... they now have less holes than OKC.

Mosgov > any big on OKC

And Shumpert? Are you kidding? This team is unbelievably stacked.

[Budadiiii]

Adding Mozgov to a team that lost to the 76ers last night equals GoAT. Now I've heard it all.
Are you retarded? Actually don't answer. Rhetorical question.

[r15mohd]

Cavs fixed their major issues and got a supremely talented SG to replace Waiters.

I don't understand how they're not the favorites now. As if having 3 all stars wasn't enough.... they now have less holes than OKC.

Mosgov > any big on OKC

And Shumpert? Are you kidding? This team is unbelievably stacked.

Shut up 3Ball

[KyrieTheFuture]

Cavs fixed their major issues and got a supremely talented SG to replace Waiters.

I don't understand how they're not the favorites now. As if having 3 all stars wasn't enough.... they now have less holes than OKC.

Mosgov > any big on OKC

And Shumpert? Are you kidding? This team is unbelievably stacked.
I guess Serge Ibaka was murdered overnight

[ArbitraryWater]

That happens when you're 11 years old.

:roll:

[Budadiiii]

I guess Serge Ibaka was murdered overnight
Love > Ibaka

Is Love considered a big? Serge Ibaka sucks dude. When will idiots like you understand that?

[Batz]

I have to applaud David Griffin. The media starts reporting there's a rift between Blatt and the players and he closes that door swiftly. Then within 72 hours after that he makes two big trades that move a player that wasn't fitting into the future of the team (Waiters) for players to fill holes Iman (wing defender) Mozgov (interior defender).
I have to say I'm really impressed. Not the trade's themselves but he has definitely put some real effort into plugging the cavs holes.

The Cavs have the roster I guess now. Up to the coaches and players from here on out.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Love > Ibaka

Is Love considered a big? Serge Ibaka sucks dude. When will idiots like you understand that?
You said Mozgov > any big on OKC. Because you are a retard.

[longtime lurker]

Two first round picks for Mosgov? Jesus christ. I'm sure the Lakers would have traded Sacre and Jodan Hill for one. There's something wrong in this league when Mosgov fetches two 1st rounders and Rondo only gets 1.

[Budadiiii]

You said Mozgov > any big on OKC. Because you are a retard.
I'd take Mosgov > Ibaka in a heartbeat. Ibaka is a jump shooter and I don't consider him a big.

You're salty because your team is stacked and getting called out for having no excuses?

What a weak bitch you are. You sensitive Cav fans are the absolute worst. Go cry to mommy for your blanket because someone called your team stacked. Waaahhhhh you ****ing nerd.

[KyrieTheFuture]

I'd take Mosgov > Ibaka in a heartbeat. Ibaka is a jump shooter and I don't consider him a big.

You're salty because your team is stacked and getting called out for having no excuses?

What a weak bitch you are. You sensitive Cav fans are the absolute worst. Go cry to mommy for your blanket because someone called your team stacked. Waaahhhhh you ****ing nerd.
I see my age estimate was spot on.

[Cocaine80s]

I'd take Mosgov > Ibaka in a heartbeat. Ibaka is a jump shooter and I don't consider him a big.

You're salty because your team is stacked and getting called out for having no excuses?

What a weak bitch you are. You sensitive Cav fans are the absolute worst. Go cry to mommy for your blanket because someone called your team stacked. Waaahhhhh you ****ing nerd.
Damn u salty as hell

[ArbitraryWater]

I'd take Mosgov > Ibaka in a heartbeat. Ibaka is a jump shooter and I don't consider him a big.

You're salty because your team is stacked and getting called out for having no excuses?

What a weak bitch you are. You sensitive Cav fans are the absolute worst. Go cry to mommy for your blanket because someone called your team stacked. Waaahhhhh you ****ing nerd.

damn bruh :biggums:

[Budadiiii]

I see my age estimate was spot on.
:sleeping

Boring, nerdy, sensitive f&ggot. I see my person estimate was spot on.

No excuses for your team to not win a championship for the first time in their franchise history.

[RedBlackAttack]

Two first round picks for Mosgov? Jesus christ. I'm sure the Lakers would have traded Sacre and Jodan Hill for one. There's something wrong in this league when Mosgov fetches two 1st rounders and Rondo only gets 1.
Cap relief can be just as important for a rebuilding team as draft picks. And, these aren't exactly premium draft picks. The OKC one is likely to be in the 20s and who knows when the Memphis one will come to fruition.

The Rondo trade included Brandan Wright, Jae Crowder, Jameer Nelson, a 2015 first-round draft pick and a future second-round pick. Totally different kind of deal for a totally different kind of situation.

[KyrieTheFuture]

http://lindseylester.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/sodium-chloride.jpg

[Budadiiii]

http://lindseylester.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/sodium-chloride.jpg
Yep, you're a salty nerd. Exactly.

[RedBlackAttack]

So, is it fair to say that Ray Allen doesn't have a place on this roster?
He actually does, though I'm not so sure he is the guy we should be using it on. AJ Price's roster spot just came open. We have a ton of wings at this stage, though. What we really need is frontcourt depth.

That said, obviously adding Ray Allen would allow us more versatility with rotations.

[KyrieTheFuture]

http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p538/JordynnsMommy12/7acaaf14.jpg

[RedBlackAttack]

OK, guys. Move along.

[poido123]

Soo....Lebron hasn't the patience to wait out a year and see how things shake Out? :lol

this was on the back of his letter "It's a process, I'll grow with the young players" :rolleyes:

Cavs management under pressure to trade, both with the criticism of Blatt AND the growing disapproval of players on the coach and the teams outlook for the year.


Panic trades written all over this one and the shumpert trade.


And f.ck that scared p.ussy lebron. Bulls are going to run a freight train over this heartless super team.

[Droid101]

And f.ck that scared p.ussy lebron. Bulls are going to run a freight train over this heartless super team.
I so wish the Bulls still had Nazr to push that floppy beta again in the playoffs.

[KyrieTheFuture]

OK, guys. Move along.
How many minutes do you foresee Mozgov averaging?

[Budadiiii]

OK, guys. Move along.
Yes sir.

Congratulations BTW. You may be enjoying a championship this June if things go as they should. OKC is no longer the favorites.

[RedBlackAttack]

How many minutes do you foresee Mozgov averaging?
A lot of it will depend on how we use that last roster spot. If it is Ray Allen or another wing, I could see Mozgov getting upwards of 30 minutes a night, with Tristan spelling him and Love at the 4/5.

If we are able to get O'Neil or Dalembert, I'd knock that down to around 25 minutes a night.

Either way, this team is a lot better right now than it was two days ago. A lot better, when healthy. The upgrades have been substantial. We have the star power. It's about supplying them with complimentary pieces and role players. Shump and Mozgov are almost ideal fits, and even JR Smith would seem to have a real place on this roster.

[Trollsmasher]

Looks like Cavs really got a 2nd rounder back

[longtime lurker]

Cap relief can be just as important for a rebuilding team as draft picks. And, these aren't exactly premium draft picks. The OKC one is likely to be in the 20s and who knows when the Memphis one will come to fruition.

The Rondo trade included Brandan Wright, Jae Crowder, Jameer Nelson, a 2015 first-round draft pick and a future second-round pick. Totally different kind of deal for a totally different kind of situation.

Brandan Wright, Crowder and Nelson are pretty much expiring contracts. They could have gotten a number of centers or even Mosgov for only 1 first round pick. Like the Love trade they paid more than they had to.

[RedBlackAttack]

Brandan Wright, Crowder and Nelson are pretty much expiring contracts. They could have gotten a number of centers or even Mosgov for only 1 first round pick. Like the Love trade they paid more than they had to.
If they could have gotten Mozgov for just 1 first round pick, why didn't they? The Cavs have been trying to acquire him since the moment Blatt was hired.

And, like I said... expiring contracts are a real asset in today's NBA. Comparing this deal to what the Celtics got for Rondo is apples and oranges. Different teams, different circumstances, different kinds of assets valued.

Let's stop pretending these are potential lottery picks, here.

[KyrieTheFuture]

A lot of it will depend on how we use that last roster spot. If it is Ray Allen or another wing, I could see Mozgov getting upwards of 30 minutes a night, with Tristan spelling him and Love at the 4/5.

If we are able to get O'Neil or Dalembert, I'd knock that down to around 25 minutes a night.

Either way, this team is a lot better right now than it was two days ago. A lot better, when healthy. The upgrades have been substantial. We have the star power. It's about supplying them with complimentary pieces and role players. Shump and Mozgov are almost ideal fits, and even JR Smith would seem to have a real place on this roster.
I truly don't enjoy TT, I don't know how you feel. Chances he doesn't get resigned for too much are like 0 which I'm pretty salty about.

Solely based on him working with Blatt before I imagine he'll get heavy run.

[longtime lurker]

If they could have gotten Mozgov for just 1 first round pick, why didn't they? The Cavs have been trying to acquire him since the moment Blatt was hired.

And, like I said... expiring contracts are a real asset in today's NBA. Comparing this deal to what the Celtics got for Rondo is apples and oranges. Different teams, different circumstances, different kinds of assets valued.

Because they were under pressure to make a move. Mosgov is a great player, but he's you can find a number of centers that can provide even 80% of what he does without sending an additional pick. It seems like a move to get "Blatt's guy" instead of a move out of need. They could have signed Dalembert and been patient then move on Mosgov. You're right they've been trying to get him for a while, seems like they got tunnel visions.

Expiring contracts aren't as valuable as previous years. Especially in the Rondo trade since he was an expiring contract. I'm not trying to hate on the Cavs, just highlighting how unpredictable the NBA can be when it comes to trades.

[Magic 32]

Love scoring 30 and losing to the 76ers.. empty.

Whole team doesn't play defense, neither Love or Irving.

LeBron, injured, 25/8 on 50%.. better than any Kobe season ever (lol), but the supporting cast is horrible, line them up against any West playoff team, you get a bunch of L's.

Can I dance on your gave?

[RedBlackAttack]

Because they were under pressure to make a move. Mosgov is a great player, but he's you can find a number of centers that can provide even 80% of what he does without sending an additional pick. It seems like a move to get "Blatt's guy" instead of a move out of need. They could have signed Dalembert and been patient then move on Mosgov. You're right they've been trying to get him for a while, seems like they got tunnel visions.

Expiring contracts aren't as valuable as previous years. Especially in the Rondo trade since he was an expiring contract. I'm not trying to hate on the Cavs, just highlighting how unpredictable the NBA can be when it comes to trades.
Mozgov and Koufos have been their primary targets as the potential starting centers for this team since Blatt came on board, with Mozgov the primary target. Maybe he knows something we don't? I won't pretend to be an expert on Timofey Mozgov.

I get what you're saying... value is a very arbitrary idea in the NBA.

The contract situations also would play into value, as you eluded to. Rondo is on the last year of his deal, so you always run the risk of renting him for a short period. That can lower value. Mozgov is signed through two years to a pretty team-friendly contract.

It's all relative.

[Budadiiii]

Can I dance on your gave?
I wouldn't say that... the kid is 19 and already has grey hair. I think he has some sort of disease and he might be sensitive about it.

[PleezeBelieve]

I wouldn't say that... the kid is 19 and already has grey hair. I think he has some sort of disease and he might be sensitive about it.
RBA tap dancing the company line.

Where have we seen that before :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Clocian-IGN]

I so wish the Bulls still had Nazr to push that floppy beta again in the playoffs.

We still have him. And :lol at anyone thinking jr, shump, and moz makes the cavs contenders. Panic move

[hawkfan]

A lot of it will depend on how we use that last roster spot. If it is Ray Allen or another wing, I could see Mozgov getting upwards of 30 minutes a night, with Tristan spelling him and Love at the 4/5.

If we are able to get O'Neil or Dalembert, I'd knock that down to around 25 minutes a night.

Either way, this team is a lot better right now than it was two days ago. A lot better, when healthy. The upgrades have been substantial. We have the star power. It's about supplying them with complimentary pieces and role players. Shump and Mozgov are almost ideal fits, and even JR Smith would seem to have a real place on this roster.

If Smith doesn't work out, they can send him and use him contract as a trade asset.

[RedBlackAttack]

RBA tap dancing the company line.

Where have we seen that before :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
You watching the Cavs right now? Dion better than Kyrie is literally :oldlol: at best. Stop trolling. Dion will never be as good as Kyrie is right now, and he's only 22.

And I like Dion.

[Kingwillball]

I really don't think it's all that steep. They've been trying desperately to get Mozgov for some time now. He and Blatt have previous experience together and he'll fit nicely on this roster on both ends.

Yesterday's trade and today's trade should be looked at as one big move, because that OKC pick, which was used to obtain Mozgov, was never going to be something the Cavs were going to hold onto. They had to secure it to make this happen. No doubt this deal was basically in place before they pulled the trigger yesterday.

So, Dion Waiters and Memphis' 1st Round pick for Mozgov, Shumpert, JR Smith and a 2nd-Rounder. That's a totally reasonable price, imo.


Agreed they needed a wing defender and anther big and got both. Also if Smith plays well this deal is a huge steal IMO. Mozgov and Shump are both still young too so hopefully can be resisted if they perform well.

[Kingwillball]

He actually does, though I'm not so sure he is the guy we should be using it on. AJ Price's roster spot just came open. We have a ton of wings at this stage, though. What we really need is frontcourt depth.

That said, obviously adding Ray Allen would allow us more versatility with rotations.

Rather Add Dalembert.. Gives another big who can give solid minute at times.