projected top 3 pick Emmanuel Mudiay gets schooled by 37 yr old Stephon Marbury

[Andrew Wiggins]

In Emmanuel Mudiay's first regular season game in China, his Guangdong team lost on the road 103-89 to Stephon Marbury and Beijing.

Mudiay, who did not start, had 18 points (on 5-16 2P, 1-3 3P, 5-8 FT), 5 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 turnovers in 30 minutes, while Marbury scored 32 points (12-16 2P, 1-3 3P, 5-7 FT), with 8 rebounds, 5 assists and 2 steals in 41 minutes.


http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Pooh-Jeter-Discusses-Emmanuel-Mudiays-First-Game-in-China-4753/


37 year old starbury still lighting it up in china :bowdown:
highlights in this link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzr3TlXrqq8

[LoneyROY7]

The Lakers should sign Marbury.

[kurple]

the nba is wierd. never got why starbury and iverson didnt get more chances

[STATUTORY]

:facepalm wow this Mudiya kid getting bodied by unathletic looking chinese players

how does CBA compare with college in term of talent level?

[Rake2204]

Highlights in this link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzr3TlXrqq8I was beginning to wonder if that link was a joke, like "highlights" meant ironically. But I like clips that include misses, for it sometimes helps provide a more complete picture. 18 points and 5 rebounds sounds alright until we see firsthand how things went down. Did he start 1-10 or 1-11? He at least appeared to warm up near the end. Acclimation is probably rough.

[Andrew Wiggins]

the nba is wierd. never got why starbury and iverson didnt get more chances

iverson refused to accept a lesser role, his undoing is his own fault

starbury was a known malcontent and had offers to comeback after his first few years in china but would rather be a superstar over there


:facepalm wow this Mudiya kid getting bodied by unathletic looking chinese players

how does CBA compare with college in term of talent level?


the starting guards and big men are almost all ex nba and or nba level players. michael beasley, metta world peace, dominique jones, yi jianlian, and so on all play in that league but the average chinese player in that league is flat out awful. most of those guys would be bench players on an average d1 team at best.

[Andrew Wiggins]

I was beginning to wonder if that link was a joke, like "highlights" meant ironically. But I like clips that include misses, for it sometimes helps provide a more complete picture. 18 points and 5 rebounds sounds alright until we see firsthand how things went down. Did he start 1-10 or 1-11? He at least appeared to warm up near the end. Acclimation is probably rough.

supposedly he started out poorly and got into the game as it went on. i think it'll start out rough but if he's not putting up big numbers by the end of the season, that's worrisome because the defense in that league is terrible and he'll have license to take as many shots as he wants.

he will go up against some good players though...pooh jeter,delonte west, bobby brown, quincy douby, lester hudson, josh akognon, justin dentmon, etc

[GatorKid117]

Random but last year Yi came to my school's graduation. Came out on stage, held up this special boy and said some words. Found it pretty crazy since he's like the LeBron James of Chinese basketball. My school must have paid him a fortune.

The dude is massive!

[CoastalRyan]

iverson refused to accept a lesser role, his undoing is his own fault

starbury was a known malcontent and had offers to comeback after his first few years in china but would rather be a superstar over there




Spot on. Iverson especially could have really extended his career. There isn't a team in the league that wouldn't welcome a ultra competitive spark off the bench.

Some people just don't get it and AI cost himself more than just money.

[Rake2204]

Random but last year Yi came to my school's graduation. Came out on stage, held up this special boy and said some words. Found it pretty crazy since he's like the LeBron James of Chinese basketball. My school must have paid him a fortune.

The dude is massive!Like Lion King?

[ArbitraryWater]

Like Lion King?

http://www.lionking.org/imgarchive/Act_1/Presentation5.jpg

[Genaro]

http://www.lionking.org/imgarchive/Act_1/Presentation5.jpg
http://puu.sh/cD4Wz/ba812c819e.jpg

[kurple]

Spot on. Iverson especially could have really extended his career. There isn't a team in the league that wouldn't welcome a ultra competitive spark off the bench.

Some people just don't get it and AI cost himself more than just money.
well that isnt true. and he himself have said he could have played of the bench after playing in turkey. but he felt stern and the league had turned their back on him and didnt want to take the risk. whatever that ment

his words. maybe you're the one that doesnt get it

[Andrew Wiggins]

well that isnt true. and he himself have said he could have played of the bench after playing in turkey. but he felt stern and the league had turned their back on him and didnt want to take the risk. whatever that ment

his words. maybe you're the one that doesnt get it

why would teams want him when he failed in turkey? a volume scorer under 6 feet who's not longer explosive and can't hit 3s is not an nba player

he already showed on the grizzlies and pistons that he couldn't be effective off the bench

[GatorKid117]

Like Lion King?

Yea, exactly :oldlol: And he wasn't even graduating ....

Rumor has it the kid is Xi Xinping's (China's President) grandson. The kid is treated like a little prince. Its disgusting.

http://i.imgur.com/eIi3V9X.jpg

Kid is the little fattie being held next to Yi.

[Real14]

the nba is wierd. never got why starbury and iverson didnt get more chances
Idk bro, its a conspiracy just like when Stern vetoed Paul coming to play for the Lakers.

[Andrew Wiggins]

mudiay fared much better in his second game with 29/9 rb/7 assists/4 steals/6 TOs on 12/17 shooting

get this...they're seriously calling ron artest "pandas friend" now. highlights of his game :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYQBAVKk9Os&list=UUWks2mS2QezJFZyR739y15g

[IncarceratedBob]

He's a kid. Honestly his skillset reminds me of Jordan Crawford. He's gonna bust

[Kiddlovesnets]

Well maybe his first 3-4 NBA games will be dramatically better than Andrew Wiggins'.

[oarabbus]

well that isnt true. and he himself have said he could have played of the bench after playing in turkey. but he felt stern and the league had turned their back on him and didnt want to take the risk. whatever that ment

his words. maybe you're the one that doesnt get it


Come on man. He had his chance and squandered the opportunity. Tried to sneak back in after the window had already closed. No one is to blame but him.

[Lebron23]

Should the sixers trade MCW if they win the draft lottery?? Mudiay is 5-6 years younger than Carter-Williams.

[ILLsmak]

Yea, exactly :oldlol: And he wasn't even graduating ....

Rumor has it the kid is Xi Xinping's (China's President) grandson. The kid is treated like a little prince. Its disgusting.

http://i.imgur.com/eIi3V9X.jpg

Kid is the little fattie being held next to Yi.

Lol dono if they paid him tho. Seems like in China they say u gonna do this and you say... alright.

So you can keep getting your one roll of toilet paper each month.

-Smak

[CNNonceAgain]

Lol dono if they paid him tho. Seems like in China they say u gonna do this and you say... alright.

So you can keep getting your one roll of toilet paper each month.

-Smak

China is more economically free than the US. Don't be ignorant.


-Smak

[chocolatethunder]

the nba is wierd. never got why starbury and iverson didnt get more chances
Not sure which chances you're referring to. Iverson was in Detroit after Denver and was causing a fuss. He went to Memphis and cause a stink there. Then he came back to the Sixers and left the team. He had become an alcoholic and he was no longer in shape and he had a game that relied on athleticism and due to his alcoholism he had experienced a serious decline in his athleticism. There's no mystery here. Who wants a 34 year old alcoholic who never grew his game to adapt to getting older? If he was a gym rat and worked hard to change his game to adapt to his age he could have had a career til he was 40. He chose not to do that and there's nothing wrong with that at all. Please done pretend like there was some conspiracy against him or Marbury for that matter. Because he's lighting it up in China says nothing about what he could do in the NBA.

[chocolatethunder]

well that isnt true. and he himself have said he could have played of the bench after playing in turkey. but he felt stern and the league had turned their back on him and didnt want to take the risk. whatever that ment

his words. maybe you're the one that doesnt get it

No, I don't think that you get it. Iverson said he "felt like Stern and the league had turned their back on him"? That's a guy who doesn't want to admit that he's a washed up alcoholic who's unwilling to accept that he needs to do some serious work in order to be relevant in the league. It's great that's how he "feels" but if he had anything to offer, the league would have welcomed him back. He made a fortune for the league but he just had nothing to offer anymore because he wasn't smart enough or was in too much denial or was just unwilling to do the things necessary to get him to where he needed to be. I don't understand all the apologists for him. He was awesome and then fell off hard. What would you expect from a 160lb guy who relied on athleticism who got beat up buy guys who weighed 100lbs more than him every night? If you can't become a shooter and distributor, you're not going to be able to be what you were.

It's just like people trying to justify that whole practice shit and say it was overblown. It wasn't overblown it was actually hidden from the media while he was here. his last couple of years he literally almost never practiced. Billy King in a very candid interview on WIP (after he had left the sixers also) said this. He wasn't complaining about it, he was explaining the dynamic that existed between Iverson and Larry Brown and that LB loved AI and loved the way he played but that it hurt the team that he didn't participate in practices and didn't do a lot to endear him to his teammates. I am friends with a guy who was on that team and I know this first hand also. Iverson literally did no weight lifting and very little practicing. When you get to be 34 and you drink too much and you're not doing anything to offset your physical decline, well then it's gonna be hard to be effective. Iverson was obviously in denial about this and couldn't see it. If you look at any players who were successful deep into their 30s especially guards, they workout constantly. Ray Allen, Nash, Stockton, just to name a few. They pretty much workout all year round for hours at a time. Their offseason workouts are about 6-8 hours in the gym. Iverson never did anything that even approached that. THAT DOESN'T MAKE HIM A BAD GUY OR A BAD PLAYER. It also doesn't mean that there was a conspiracy against him. But the guy had serious problems in his personal life that were affecting him and he was probably too proud to see it, which I don't blame him for but he's dreaming if he thinks there was some conspiracy against him. Look at what happened in Detroit and more importantly Memphis and then Philly his second time around. Your answers are right there in front of you.

[Andrew Wiggins]

he struggled in his 3rd game (10 points, 4 assists, 2 turnovers) but bounced back and had a triple double today. 22 points (10/19), 11 rebounds and 13 assists as his team won again.

highlights http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUtnziNbKlk&feature=player_embedded&list=UUWks2mS2QezJFZyR739y15g

[outbreak]

Should the sixers trade MCW if they win the draft lottery?? Mudiay is 5-6 years younger than Carter-Williams.
they wanted to trade high on him during the off season but no one bit, rumoured to still be looking to move him before the all star break.

[kurple]

Come on man. He had his chance and squandered the opportunity. Tried to sneak back in after the window had already closed. No one is to blame but him.
why did indiana sign bynum? teams take chances, and i for one thought AI was a chance worth taking

[kurple]

No, I don't think that you get it. Iverson said he "felt like Stern and the league had turned their back on him"? That's a guy who doesn't want to admit that he's a washed up alcoholic who's unwilling to accept that he needs to do some serious work in order to be relevant in the league. It's great that's how he "feels" but if he had anything to offer, the league would have welcomed him back. He made a fortune for the league but he just had nothing to offer anymore because he wasn't smart enough or was in too much denial or was just unwilling to do the things necessary to get him to where he needed to be. I don't understand all the apologists for him. He was awesome and then fell off hard. What would you expect from a 160lb guy who relied on athleticism who got beat up buy guys who weighed 100lbs more than him every night? If you can't become a shooter and distributor, you're not going to be able to be what you were.

It's just like people trying to justify that whole practice shit and say it was overblown. It wasn't overblown it was actually hidden from the media while he was here. his last couple of years he literally almost never practiced. Billy King in a very candid interview on WIP (after he had left the sixers also) said this. He wasn't complaining about it, he was explaining the dynamic that existed between Iverson and Larry Brown and that LB loved AI and loved the way he played but that it hurt the team that he didn't participate in practices and didn't do a lot to endear him to his teammates. I am friends with a guy who was on that team and I know this first hand also. Iverson literally did no weight lifting and very little practicing. When you get to be 34 and you drink too much and you're not doing anything to offset your physical decline, well then it's gonna be hard to be effective. Iverson was obviously in denial about this and couldn't see it. If you look at any players who were successful deep into their 30s especially guards, they workout constantly. Ray Allen, Nash, Stockton, just to name a few. They pretty much workout all year round for hours at a time. Their offseason workouts are about 6-8 hours in the gym. Iverson never did anything that even approached that. THAT DOESN'T MAKE HIM A BAD GUY OR A BAD PLAYER. It also doesn't mean that there was a conspiracy against him. But the guy had serious problems in his personal life that were affecting him and he was probably too proud to see it, which I don't blame him for but he's dreaming if he thinks there was some conspiracy against him. Look at what happened in Detroit and more importantly Memphis and then Philly his second time around. Your answers are right there in front of you.
its nice that we have an ISH member than knows what Iverson is thinking at any given time.

he practiced in Denver. so there goes that alcoholic non practicing theory. he even scored 26.4 ppg on 46% shooting his last season in Denver. But Dumars wanted to bench him for Rodney freaking Stuckey.

i get that Iverson should have accepted the bench role. but he was still and all-star posting all-star numbers, and we all know Iverson could be immature. But i got the impression he would accept an bench role after his stint in Turkey, and he obviously still had NBA talent

[chocolatethunder]

its nice that we have an ISH member than knows what Iverson is thinking at any given time.

he practiced in Denver. so there goes that alcoholic non practicing theory. he even scored 26.4 ppg on 46% shooting his last season in Denver. But Dumars wanted to bench him for Rodney freaking Stuckey.

i get that Iverson should have accepted the bench role. but he was still and all-star posting all-star numbers, and we all know Iverson could be immature. But i got the impression he would accept an bench role after his stint in Turkey, and he obviously still had NBA talent
Ok so you're dogging me saying that I'm claiming to know what he's thinking but yet you follow it up with "I got the impression that he would accept a bench role". From whom did you get that impression? While it's great that he practiced in Denver, I wasn't talking about Denver, I was talking about Philadelphia and the impact the things that he did and didn't do had on that team. Do you k ow anyone who played with him? I Would guess that you don't. Keep telling yourself he was blackballed when you have the real answers in front of you. You do realize that he played after he was traded to Denver right? And that's when he really started to decline. I'm not dogging the guy for having an alcohol problem I'm just stating what was happening and why he didn't have a job. He wasn't in shape after Turkey and wasn't going to get in shape. This is the impression that teams had of him. That and the off the court alcohol stuff kept coupled with the fact that he never adjusted his game with his age, prevented him from being worth a contract at his age.

[HurricaneKid]

i got the impression he would accept an bench role after his stint in Turkey, and he obviously still had NBA talent

Why on earth do you think that??

4 teams in 4 years. He didn't finish the season for a single one of them. That included two teams that he flatly refused to come off the bench for. And then some abject failures in a second rate Euro league.

There were games in Turkey where he didn't score a point.

AI was one of the more entertaining players at his peak. But you are completely glossing over a truly UGLY end to his career and attributing those problems to everyone but the one constant, AI.

[kurple]

euroleague is an different animal from the NBA. Ty lawson sucked in Lithuania

i thought AI did OK in Philly and Memphis,

[chocolatethunder]

euroleague is an different animal from the NBA. Ty lawson sucked in Lithuania

i thought AI did OK in Philly and Memphis,
Wait a second. He played three games in Memphis. I'm not sure that you know what you're talking about. He averaged 14ppg in Philly and then left.

Read about his alcohol and gambling problems here

http://articles.philly.com/2010-03-07/sports/24956781_1_train-wreck-allen-iverson-pat-croce

And that's by Screamin A Smith who was Iverson's Windhorst.

[NuggetsFan]

Iverson was probably my favorite player of All-Time. He has nobody to blame but himself tho. He could have handled the situation so much better and it's a different ball game when your older, not as good. All of a sudden previous things you got away with aren't as acceptable anymore. He kinda just became washed up.

Sucks, would have been awesome to see him go out on a good note. Even Philly gave him that last stint.

[305Baller]

Damn. This guy is sucking it up.

[tontoz]

well that isnt true. and he himself have said he could have played of the bench after playing in turkey. but he felt stern and the league had turned their back on him and didnt want to take the risk. whatever that ment

his words. maybe you're the one that doesnt get it

"His words" didn't go over too well in Philly and Memphis. In Memphis he missed training camp due to injury and then bitched when he didnt start immediately in the regular season.


Iverson didn't help himself much during his short stint with his fourth NBA team. He missed the preseason with a partially torn left hamstring and didn't debut with the Grizzlies until Nov. 2 at Sacramento.

Immediately, Iverson began talking about his distaste for coming off the bench and being on a rebuilding team filled with youth from Rudy Gay and O.J. Mayo to recent draft picks Hasheem Thabeet and DeMarre Carroll.

The four-time NBA scoring champ became the 16th player in league history to score 24,000 points in his career in his second game against the Golden State Warriors. He played against the Lakers in Los Angeles, where he also met with Heisley before being given permission to take an indefinite leave.

But the Grizzlies got tired of waiting for Iverson to decide what to do next.

Like the Rock says....




http://i.ytimg.com/vi/hf7ay5L2kTQ/maxresdefault.jpg

[tgan3]

:facepalm wow this Mudiya kid getting bodied by unathletic looking chinese players

how does CBA compare with college in term of talent level?

I would say the best College D1 teams can beat the average CBA team, but the average CBA team beats the average D1 teams.

[Andrew Wiggins]

I would say the best College D1 teams can beat the average CBA team, but the average CBA team beats the average D1 teams.

which is why a guy that averaged 2 points per game on a bad ncaa team is now averaging a double double in the cba :lol