The Official 25+ points 55% FG Club 2014-2015 NBA Season

[dubeta]

Hey guys, thought I would do this for the upcoming season, thought it would be a good idea

I know in the years past, we've had clubs like Pauks great 30-5-5 club to exemplify top tier talent in the league

I understand there was some criticism in past years clubs, like it heavily favoured certain players (ie. LeBron), so im making the criteria less arbitrary


Anyone can make this club, just need to have a good amount of scoring (25 points), on high efficiency (55+ fg%)

Will constantly update throughout the season

Cheers :cheers:


Marc Gasol

10/29/2014
32 pts 12/17FG 70.5% FG


Thaddeus Young

10/29/2014
26 pts 10/18 FG 55.5% FG


Zach Randolph

10/29/2014
25 pts 12/16 FG 75% FG

[JebronLames]

Much to my chagrin, the only time you will see Kobe's name is in this post.

[dubeta]

Much to my chagrin, the only time you will see Kobe's name is in this post.

lol

[Im Still Ballin]

In.

To score such a high amount of points YET still display this at yet an efficient clip is quite special.

You usually expect bigs to accomplish this...It would be quite remarkable if any other position outside of the 4 and 5 could achieve this.

Lets find out!

[dubeta]

In.

To score such a high amount of points YET still display this at yet an efficient clip is quite special.

You usually expect bigs to accomplish this...It would be quite remarkable if any other position outside of the 4 and 5 could achieve this.

Lets find out!

Yes, thats a great idea

Should we give more points if a player whos a 1-3 get this stat?

[SugarHill]

How is 25 on 55% less arbitrary? I hope this thread bites you in the ass.

[dubeta]

How is 25 on 55% less arbitrary? I hope this thread bites you in the ass.

Only requires 2 stats

[ImKobe]

Much to my chagrin, the only time you will see Kobe's name is in this post.

He did it 17 times the last time he was healthy for most of the season :confusedshrug:

This is Lebron's regular season average due to all the poor teams and the great offense he has, it's like Peyton Manning and the Broncos in the NFL...I'd be surprised if he didn't put up numbers on a great team.

[Mr. Jabbar]

How about a points with 5 or less left in the 4th qtr club :rolleyes:

[Jlamb47]

This is a Lebron thread
Lebron played PF last year so idk why yal saying
"a player otuside of Pf and C would be amazing"

[Im Still Ballin]

Yes, thats a great idea

Should we give more points if a player whos a 1-3 get this stat?
Yes easily. Context should be valued. How many times has a big achieved this? Too many to count. Shaq, David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Kareem.... The list goes on.

But how many 1-3s have done this?

EDIT: Sorry my bad I was thinking averages.

[Jlamb47]

How about a points with 5 or less left in the 4th qtr club :rolleyes:

Lebron wouldnt ever make the list, unless your speaking of choking in the 4th quarter

[Jlamb47]

Yes easily. Context should be valued. How many times has a big achieved this? Too many to count. Shaq, David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Kareem.... The list goes on.

But how many 1-3s have done this?

Lebron did it while listed as a 4
look at basketball refeence
he didnt do it as a SF
so this trhead biting u in the ass

[ImKobe]

How about a points with 5 or less left in the 4th qtr club :rolleyes:

Lebron wins games in 3 quarters. He doesn't need a 4th.

[ballinhun8]

Should be less arbitrary.


Like 24 ppg on 50%. Those are two round, even numbers.

[dubeta]

How about a points with 5 or less left in the 4th qtr club :rolleyes:

didnt kobe only have like 2 of those type of games last year tho

[Im Still Ballin]

Lebron did it while listed as a 4
look at basketball refeence
he didnt do it as a SF
so this trhead biting u in the ass
Why the insults? Lets keep this logical.

Lebron was a SF last year. This is obvious.

[Im Still Ballin]

didnt kobe only have like 2 of those type of games last year tho
And he only played like 10 games?

Talk about a decline...

[ImKobe]

Why the insults? Lets keep this logical.

Lebron was a SF last year. This is obvious.

Last 2 years, he's played 82% of his minutes at the Power Forward position

takes 5 seconds to look it up :facepalm

and his FG% rise by the year correlates with more minutes at the 4...hmm

[dubeta]

Why the insults? Lets keep this logical.

Lebron was a SF last year. This is obvious.

And LeBron was drafted as a Point Guard remember

In the 2003 Draft LeBron was a Point Guard

Therefore if he does it its even more impressive



And why are people talking about LeBron? There are many others who can come on this list. LeBron is only one of the 350 players who could do this

[AnaheimLakers24]

5 acoounts in this thread are the same person :lol

[Jlamb47]

Why the insults? Lets keep this logical.

Lebron was a SF last year. This is obvious.

2011-12 ★ 27 MIA NBA SF 62 62 37.5 10.0 18.9 .531 0.9 2.4 .362 9.1 16.5 .556 6.2 8.1 .771 1.5 6.4 7.9 6.2 1.9 0.8 3.4 1.5 27.1
2012-13 ★ 28 MIA NBA PF 76 76 37.9 10.1 17.8 .565 1.4 3.3 .406 8.7 14.5 .602 5.3 7.0 .753 1.3 6.8 8.0 7.3 1.7 0.9 3.0 1.4 26.8
2013-14 ★ 29 MIA NBA PF 77 77 37.7 10.0 17.6 .567 1.5 4.0 .379 8.5 13.6 .622 5.7 7.6 .750 1.1 5.9 6.9 6.3 1.6 0.3 3.5 1.6 27.1


Let me ETHER you really quick here

The only 2 times Lebron made the 25+points and 55fg% is when he was listed as PF year 13 and 14
Every other years hes listed as a SF and he dosnt meet the goal

So basically there isnt a player that plays 1-3 thats done this in modern era

So looks like Lebron only done this as a 4 and its pretty normal for a Power Forward and Center to accomplish this

[ImKobe]

And LeBron was drafted as a Point Guard remember

In the 2003 Draft LeBron was a Point Guard

Therefore if he does it its even more impressive



And why are people talking about LeBron? There are many others who can come on this list. LeBron is only one of the 350 players who could do this

He's able to switch positions because of his size and his weight gain. He couldn't play full-time point at this point in his career. He's nowhere near as light as he was back then.

[Im Still Ballin]

Last 2 years, he's played 82% of his minutes at the Power Forward position

takes 5 seconds to look it up :facepalm
He played like a small forward. That is what matters. Context. Its important you know.

The whole point of this being that a 1-3 should be valued greater than a 4 or 5 is just basically shot selection. Lebron took a healthy amount of threes. Not too mention jumpers. He played like a SF. That is whats important here.

[Magic 32]

How about the official 10+ blatant flops a year thread?

You can add the evidence here:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=302139

[Jlamb47]

He played like a small forward. That is what matters. Context. Its important you know.

The whole point of this being that a 1-3 should be valued greater than a 4 or 5 is just basically shot selection. Lebron took a healthy amount of threes. Not too mention jumpers. He played like a SF. That is whats important here.

Negative hes listed as a PF
so your incorrect
the times he was listed as a SF he didnt meet this goal
so looks like Lebron is one of 10000 people to NOT make this list
Lets discuss players who actually made the list playing 1-3

[Im Still Ballin]

And LeBron was drafted as a Point Guard remember

In the 2003 Draft LeBron was a Point Guard

Therefore if he does it its even more impressive



And why are people talking about LeBron? There are many others who can come on this list. LeBron is only one of the 350 players who could do this
Wow. You're right. I do recall seeing a thread recently on InsideHoops that showed through data and stats that LeBron dominates the ball like a PG. This is a great point you've made dubeta.

[ImKobe]

He played like a small forward. That is what matters. Context. Its important you know.

The whole point of this being that a 1-3 should be valued greater than a 4 or 5 is just basically shot selection. Lebron took a healthy amount of threes. Not too mention jumpers. He played like a SF. That is whats important here.

No, he did not.

[dubeta]

Guys stop bickering about positions like a little children


Any PF, or C who achieves the required total, will also be displayed here


This isn't a discriminatory practice, all are welcome

[Im Still Ballin]

Negative hes listed as a PF
so your incorrect
the times he was listed as a SF he didnt meet this goal
so looks like Lebron is one of 10000 people to NOT make this list
Lets discuss players who actually made the list playing 1-3
Lol... You have no counter argument...

Please try to come up with something so that you don't get branded a troll. You need more logic and statistics in your posts.

[dubeta]

Wow. You're right. I do recall seeing a thread recently on InsideHoops that showed through data and stats that LeBron dominates the ball like a PG. This is a great point you've made dubeta.

Thanks bro :cheers:


So apparently according to the trolls on ISH:

LeBron is a Power Forward not a Point Guard, but he dominants the ball like a point guard, and gets more assists than most Point Guards.


Which one is it? Someone please tell me

[Im Still Ballin]

Thanks bro :cheers:


So apparently according to the trolls on ISH:

LeBron is a Power Forward not a Point Guard, but he dominants the ball like a point guard, and gets more assists than most Point Guards.


Which one is it? Someone please tell me
And he shoots multiple threes a game ASWELL as midrange shots...

But LOL lets brand him with non ball dominant, back to the basket bigs who don't shoot threes or mid range shots.

We're killing them today bro.

[ImKobe]

Thanks bro :cheers:


So apparently according to the trolls on ISH:

LeBron is a Power Forward not a Point Guard, but he dominants the ball like a point guard, and gets more assists than most Point Guards.


Which one is it? Someone please tell me

It's a mix, but he obviously moved down to the post and started to play more like a PF in Miami, he was slotted in as a 4 but obviously at times dominated the ball like a PG, if you actually watched the games.

You don't need to refer to some thread on the ISH or agree with your alt, if you actually watched the games.

[dubeta]

It's a mix, but he obviously moved down to the post and started to play more like a PF in Miami, he was slotted in as a 4 but obviously at times dominated the ball like a PG, if you actually watched the games.

You don't need to refer to some thread on the ISH or agree with your alt, if you actually watched the games.

So if its a mix, why are you and others so hellbent on slotting him as a PF?

[dannywpt]

Looks like the 30-5-5 thing didn't work out and backfired rather heaviliy, time to start a new club.

[Im Still Ballin]

The best way to classify Lebron would be to call him a point tweener guard.

[Jlamb47]

Lets make a thread on superstars who win 50% in the finals,

[RoundMoundOfReb]

The only club worth a damn :applause:

[ballinhun8]

I'm gonna start a new thread with a non arbitrary figure like the ones OP posted.

50% shooting on 24 ppg. See you guys over there!

[dubeta]

I'm gonna start a new thread with a non arbitrary figure like the ones OP posted.

50% shooting on 24 ppg. See you guys over there!

you do realize what arbitrary means right?

[Im Still Ballin]

you do realize what arbitrary means right?
:lol

[SugarHill]

you do realize what arbitrary means right?
:roll:

[dubeta]

:lol
Im Still Ballin, you have been extremely valuable today in fending off these trolls. :cheers:

Your contributions have been necessary to the LeBron Family.

As a token of gratitude, I'd like to name you Chief General of Operations of the LeBron Family from here onwards.

[ThatCoolKid]

For all you babies who haven't caught on to the troll game just yet, Dubeta is a Lebron hater who ironically poses as a Lebron homer in order to instigate hate against him. This thread modifies pauk's classic 30-5-5 threads to make it so Lebron will have the most games in the club, since these statistics heavily favor Lebron. But remember, Dubeta is probably a Kobe stan, so direct any hate this thread generates towards Kobe. Also, Kobe is a rapist.

PS Im Still Ballin is Dubeta's gay lover. Presumably the bottom.

[dubeta]

For all you babies who haven't caught on to the troll game just yet, Dubeta is a Lebron hater who ironically poses as a Lebron homer in order to instigate hate against him. This thread modifies pauk's classic 30-5-5 threads to make it so Lebron will have the most games in the club, since these statistics heavily favor Lebron. But remember, Dubeta is probably a Kobe stan, so direct any hate this thread generates towards Kobe. Also, Kobe is a rapist.

Sadly you have been mistaken, this club was created solely because of perceived biases in prior clubs towards LeBron

[SugarHill]

Im Still Ballin, you have been extremely valuable today in fending off these trolls. :cheers:

Your contributions have been necessary to the LeBron Family.

As a token of gratitude, I'd like to name you Chief General of Operations of the LeBron Family from here onwards.
lol

[Droid101]

What's with this guy replying to himself over and over? Pretty embarrassing.

[Lebronxrings]

For all you babies who haven't caught on to the troll game just yet, Dubeta is a Lebron hater who ironically poses as a Lebron homer in order to instigate hate against him. This thread modifies pauk's classic 30-5-5 threads to make it so Lebron will have the most games in the club, since these statistics heavily favor Lebron. But remember, Dubeta is probably a Kobe stan, so direct any hate this thread generates towards Kobe. Also, Kobe is a rapist.

PS Im Still Ballin is Dubeta's gay lover. Presumably the bottom.
Hmmm so we should hate Kobe?

[Lebronxrings]

Dam... This is a good thread. Not sure why everyone is hating and complaining... Let the players skills do the talking.

[Droid101]

Funniest part of this stupid thread is that as soon as LeBron loses the 30-5-5 club CONVINCINGLY they decide to change it up to favor their boy once again.

Let's stick to 30-5-5. Seriously fanboys, there is no way Durant can win it this year because he's injured. Have faith in your lord.

[Im Still Ballin]

In.

You know I always rep that Raymone James til death do us part.

Keep the insults to a minimum please. I am not homosexual. And even if I was I would be a top because a have a large phallus that is equally large in girth and length.

[Warfan]

lol

Lmao, people get really salty everytime he posts. I think it's funny af, he posts some obvious bait/joke and people flock to it like flies on shit and give him the attention he wants.

[dubeta]

Funniest part of this stupid thread is that as soon as LeBron loses the 30-5-5 club CONVINCINGLY they decide to change it up to favor their boy once again.

Let's stick to 30-5-5. Seriously fanboys, there is no way Durant can win it this year because he's injured. Have faith in your lord.

Werent people hating on Pauk last year for saying the 30-5-5 heavily favoured LeBron? :facepalm :facepalm


Geeez always have to hate no matter the criteria

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Funniest part of this stupid thread is that as soon as LeBron loses the 30-5-5 club CONVINCINGLY they decide to change it up to favor their boy once again.

Let's stick to 30-5-5. Seriously fanboys, there is no way Durant can win it this year because he's injured. Have faith in your lord.
30-5-5 is not nearly as important as 25 and 55%

FACTS:

Players who scored 30-5-5 had a win% of 67.57 in those games last season.

Players who scored 25 points and a fg% of 55 had a win% of 67.87 in those games last season.

[Cali Syndicate]

In.

You know I always rep that Raymone James til death do us part.

Keep the insults to a minimum please. I am not homosexual. And even if I was I would be a top because a have a large phallus that is equally large in girth and length.

This post is nothing but homosexual.

[Im Still Ballin]

This post is nothing but homosexual.
How?

It is merely a hypothetical. I am also comfortable with my sexuality.

[3ball]

Lebron leads the 25ppg/55% club, but I'm interested in seeing how much Lebron dominates the ball this year.

http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingTouches.html?pageNo=1&rowsPerPage=50&sortField=TOP&sortOrder=DES

Thanks to the NBA's new SportsVu player-tracking data ^^^^^, we know that in the 2013-2014 season, Lebron dominated the ball as much as point guards and more than any non-point guard in the league... and last season was his biggest effort to play off-ball, and he was still the most ball-dominant wing.

Thanks to the new data, we now know definitively who the ball-dominators are, and we can see that Lebron's 6.3 assists per game were average for a ball-dominator, and could be considered an underachievement compared to OFF-ball players that averaged the same assists - i.e. Durant dominated the ball 28% less, but averaged only 13% less assists (5.5 to 6.3)... guys like Bird and Jordan also averaged the same assists as Lebron despite playing off-ball.

But maybe for the first time in his career, Lebron won't dominate the ball like a point guard this season, now that he's playing with a young player like Kyrie.... and if this happens, we'll get to see how many assists Lebron can average as an off-ball player - THEN we'll get a real idea how good a passer he is, since his assist averages as a ball-dominator were only average for ball-dominators.

[Im Still Ballin]

Lebron leads the 25ppg/55% club, but I'm interested in seeing how much Lebron dominates the ball this year.

http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingTouches.html?pageNo=1&rowsPerPage=50&sortField=TOP&sortOrder=DES

Thanks to the NBA's new SportsVu player-tracking data ^^^^^, we know that in the 2013-2014 season, Lebron dominated the ball as much as point guards and more than any non-point guard in the league... and last season was his biggest effort to play off-ball, and he was still the most ball-dominant wing.

Thanks to the new data, we now know definitively who the ball-dominators are, and we can see that Lebron's 6.3 assists per game were average for a ball-dominator, and could be considered an underachievement compared to OFF-ball players that averaged the same assists - i.e. Durant dominated the ball 28% less, but averaged only 13% less assists (5.5 to 6.3)... guys like Bird and Jordan also averaged the same assists as Lebron despite playing off-ball.

But maybe for the first time in his career, Lebron won't dominate the ball like a point guard this season, now that he's playing with a young player like Kyrie.... and if this happens, we'll get to see how many assists Lebron can average as an off-ball player - THEN we'll get a real idea how good a passer he is, since his assist averages as a ball-dominator were only average for ball-dominators.
Relevance to the 25+ points 55% FG Club? It has already been established that although Lebron was listed as PF, he played like a point forward. Yes a ball dominant one.

[tpols]

damn.. youre cherrypicking worse than lebron

[Jameerthefear]

Good ass thread. I'm glad to see OP back and making amazing threads about the GOAT.

[KobesFinger]

Final statline for the season or individual games?

[dubeta]

Final statline for the season or individual games?

Individual games obviously, not many if any can average that over an entire season, it requires too high a level of basketball to expect any to get it.


Heck, if any individual player AVERAGES this impressive stat line, I seriously might have to even consider him the GOAT

[ArbitraryWater]

you do realize what arbitrary means right?

:roll:

[Im Still Ballin]

Individual games obviously, not many if any can average that over an entire season, it requires too high a level of basketball to expect any to get it.


Heck, if any individual player AVERAGES this impressive stat line, I seriously might have to even consider him the GOAT
Heck, even more so coming from someone who is NOT a 4 or a 5. That volume of scoring with that level of efficiency from outside the bigs is pretty much impossible.

[BuffaloBill]

Might as well call this the receding hairline club

[dubeta]

Heck, even more so coming from someone who is NOT a 4 or a 5. That volume of scoring with that level of efficiency from outside the bigs is pretty much impossible.

Yea, I think the last people to do that were Charles Barkley, Shaq, David Robinson and they were legit 4's and 5's who lived in the paint.

From a perimeter player?? Damn near impossible

[dubeta]

Monte Ellis and Anthony Davis were close, but still no one has met the requirements

[dubeta]

Congratulations to Zach Randolph, Marc Gasol, and Thaddeus Young to all join this prestigious club! First post has been edited to reflect this. Hope to see many more entrants