If Kobe would have let the Nets draft him and he played there for 7 years

[Hey Yo]

How many rings would he have?

[TheMarkMadsen]

how many times does this rumor have to be dis proven :facepalm

[Cocaine80s]

About 0

[Hey Yo]

how many times does this rumor have to be dis proven :facepalm
Disprove the facts to me.

[RRR3]

Impossible to answer since we don't know for sure how the Nets would have built their team in this scenario.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Disprove the facts to me.

[QUOTE]

[Hey Yo]

Impossible to answer since we don't know for sure how the Nets would have built their team in this scenario.
Since Kobe would have "allegedly" been so great considering he would have started his rookie year in NJ and beyond, then NJ would have been picking around 15th in the draft and lower.

Plus add the fact that NJ has not been a destination for very good UFA's

[SavageMode]

0/zero

[Milbuck]

Would the Nets still surround absolute peak Kobe with Kwame Brown, Smush Parker, and Brian Cook as starters? Or would they have given him NBA-level teammates?

[Hey Yo]

STFU (http://dimemag.com/2010/02/jerry-west-talked-john-calipari-out-of-drafting-kobe/)
Cal had dinner with Kobe and his parents and they were excited their son would be playing so close to home.\

The next day Cal was called and told not to draft Kobe cause he wouldn't sign. he would play in Italy before signing with NJ if they drafted him.

Then once Charlotte drafted Kobe:

"Couldn’t Bryant be a Hornet? Could he grow to love Southern sweet tea?

“That is an impossibility,” Bryant’s agent, Arn Tellem, said at the time. “There are no ifs. It would not happen. He is going to be a Laker, and that’s the only team he’s playing for.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/29/sports/29roberts.html?_r=0

[RRR3]

Pretty sure Kobe would have been great wherever he went

[TheMarkMadsen]

Pretty sure Kobe would have been great wherever he went

your original answer is the only answer. Totally depends on how the Nets build their team

[RRR3]

your original answer is the only answer. Totally depends on how the Nets build their team
Agreed. Kobe's an all time great if you give him a solid team he's got a shot to win rings. Anything can happen. If Kobe was on those nets teams with Kidd Kmart Richard Jefferson who's to say he doesn't get a few rings?

[Hey Yo]

Would the Nets still surround absolute peak Kobe with Kwame Brown, Smush Parker, and Brian Cook as starters? Or would they have given him NBA-level teammates?
They might have, because NJ isn't a great UFA landing place and Kobe would have been "allegedly" so good that they would have drafted very low and had no trading pieces.

[Legends66NBA7]

3 rings.

[Hey Yo]

West encouraged the Bryant family to talk to Calipari and explain that their son really wanted to play for the Lakers. “He knew if we didn’t take him at eight, he’d drop to Charlotte, and he could make the deal with Charlotte,” Wissel recalled. “Cal was young in the league and, hey, it’s Jerry West on the phone.”
But Kobe just wanted to play basketball, right? He chose riding the pine 2yrs for the 2nd most successful franchise in the history of the league, than try to build one in NJ.

Kobe in NJ his first 7 years....ZERO rings.

[Hey Yo]

your original answer is the only answer. Totally depends on how the Nets build their team
But Kobe would have "allegedly" been so great by starting his rookie year and beyond in NJ, how good of players would they have gotten by drafting so low with Kobe carrying the team??

[LongLiveTheKing]

0.

[RRR3]

^You just implied That the nets would be bad with young Kobe at the reins, and then assumed a bad team wouldn't have a chance at a high draft pick :biggums:

[Hey Yo]

Pretty sure Kobe would have been great wherever he went
But how many rings would he have won in his first 7 years in NJ?

[CJ Mustard]

None. Unless the Nets still trade for Kidd, then maybe he'd have 1 with Kidd as the Finals MVP.

[Legends66NBA7]

Agreed. Kobe's an all time great if you give him a solid team he's got a shot to win rings. Anything can happen. If Kobe was on those nets teams with Kidd Kmart Richard Jefferson who's to say he doesn't get a few rings?

Kidd was a good mentor to Vince Carter when he came to New Jersey. He would have guided Kobe under him too, especially when Kobe was younger at the time. I think Kobe got along well with his teammates that were guards (Eddie Jones, Byron Scott, Fisher) than his big men (Shaq, Samaki Walker, Rodman).

East was weak around those times too. No doubt I see Kobe winning chips, at least getting to the Finals at worst.

[RRR3]

But how many rings would he have won in his first 7 years in NJ?
How the hell would I know?

[TheMarkMadsen]

But Kobe just wanted to play basketball, right? He chose riding the pine 2yrs for the 2nd most successful franchise in the history of the league, than try to build one in NJ.

Kobe in NJ his first 7 years....ZERO rings.

http://cdn1.akamai.coub.com/coub/simple/cw_gif_big/6543176200e/d7fb0776a861b44db4d20/1386944545_15xq4m8_eq8a9xc.gif

[Hey Yo]

Kidd was a good mentor to Vince Carter when he came to New Jersey. He would have guided Kobe under him too, especially when Kobe was younger at the time. I think Kobe got along well with his teammates that were guards (Eddie Jones, Byron Scott, Fisher) than his big men (Shaq, Samaki Walker, Rodman).

East was weak around those times too. No doubt I see Kobe winning chips, at least getting to the Finals at worst.
You're contradicting yourself.

If the East was so weak and the West was so much better, how would he be winning chips in NJ?

[Legends66NBA7]

If the East was so weak and the West was so much better, how would he be winning chips in NJ?

Not a contradiction. I acknowledge that the West is better, but the same reason the Pistons, Celtics, and Heat have won in past years while being in a weaker conference... by beating the other team in the Finals in a best of 7 series.

There's no doubt in my mind they would already be the best team in the East, with not many teams challenging their reign. Especially if you have a Kidd/Bryant backcourt. That's easily the best backcourt in the game at that time.

[SpecialQue]

Stop posting, ass.

[RRR3]

Stop posting, ass.
I half-interpret your post as you talking to your own backside (which somehow has, independently of you, made an ISH account)

[oh the horror]

OP keeps putting "allegedly" in context of Kobe being so good as if Kobe hasn't been pretty damn good In his career.


Why not just admit you created this thread to be a pain in the ass?

[RRR3]

OP keeps putting "allegedly" in context of Kobe being so good as if Kobe hasn't been pretty damn good In his career.


Why not just admit you created this thread to be a pain in the ass?
Because he's trying to fake objectivity in order to make Kobe look bad without seeming biased.

[Cold soul]

I would say a few, but who the heck knows?

[RRR3]

I would say a few, but who the heck knows?
Correct answer.

[bigkingsfan]

17

[Real14]

how many times does this rumor have to be dis proven :facepalm
Exactly.

[stalkerforlife]

I'd say 2. He wouldn't have a player like Shaq hindering his development as a superstar. Fact is, it must have been quite challenging for Kobe to overcome the abuse he took as a very young man from Shaq. Shaq was bigger, stronger, and in his prime. Kobe eventually had enough and shipped his ass out, understandably.

I say 2 because he's just too great to not win titles.

[Hey Yo]

The Nets roster if you replace Kittles with Kobe their rookie years
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NJN/1997.html

the following year
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NJN/1998.html

The year after that
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NJN/1999.html

How many rings for Kobe after those 3 seasons?

[TheMarkMadsen]

The Nets roster if you replace Kittles with Kobe their rookie years
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NJN/1997.html

the following year
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NJN/1998.html

The year after that
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NJN/1999.html

How many rings for Kobe after those 3 seasons?

why are we expecting Kobe to win rings before he's even 20 years old..

:roll: :roll:

[Hey Yo]

why are we expecting Kobe to win rings before he's even 20 years old..

:roll: :roll:
Because he was "allegedly" so great at those ages. Always see that Nick van Exel and Eddie Jones kept him from starting and showcasing his skills.

He said he "just wanted to play basketball."

He would have started his rookie year and beyond if he would have let NJ draft him. Surely would have been NJ's best player, correct? Surely he would have won at least one championship for NJ, correct?

[JT123]

Would the Nets surround him with the most stacked front court in the league? If they do he MIGHT win one. If no Kobe demands a trade after year 3.

[monkeypox]

STFU (http://dimemag.com/2010/02/jerry-west-talked-john-calipari-out-of-drafting-kobe/)

Yup, the GM still wanted Kobe but left it up to Cal. Kerry Kittles had the same agent as Jordan so he had a lot of pull and he called Cal also. Calipari said ultimately he picked Kittles because he thought Kobe would take several years to develop and Calipari would have been fired by then if they didn't do super well. He drafted Kittles in part for self preservation. Calipari only lasted 4 years.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Because he was "allegedly" so great at those ages. Always see that Nick van Exel and Eddie Jones kept him starting and showcasing his skills.

He said he "just wanted to play basketball."

He would have started his rookie year and beyond if he would have let NJ draft him. Surely would have been NJ's best player, correct? Surely he would have won at least one championship for NJ, correct?

you must think Kobe is the GOAT if you're expecting him to lead teams to championships as a teenager..

everybody has called you out on this agenda driven thread and has said Kobe would at least win a couple rings

don't know what more you're trying to prove..

that Kobe wouldn't have been able to lead his team to the championship as a teenager.. okkkayyy... :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[Hey Yo]

Yup, the GM still wanted Kobe but left it up to Cal. Kerry Kittles had the same agent as Jordan so he had a lot of pull and he called Cal also. Calipari said ultimately he picked Kittles because he thought Kobe would take several years to develop and Calipari would have been fired by then if they didn't do super well. He drafted Kittles in part for self preservation. Calipari only lasted 4 years.
You're delusional

Cal wanted to draft Kobe but Kobe's camp adamantly told NJ that he wouldn't sign with them.

[Hey Yo]

you must think Kobe is the GOAT if you're expecting him to lead teams to championships as a teenager..

everybody has called you out on this agenda driven thread and has said Kobe would at least win a couple rings

don't know what more you're trying to prove..

that Kobe wouldn't have been able to lead his team to the championship as a teenager.. okkkayyy... :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:
You're deflecting, brah

understandable

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe won back to back titles with jordan farmar and sasha vujacic as his 3rd and 4th best team mates. with his 2nd best team mate never making an allstar game. and his #1 team mate never winning a playoff game in his life without kobe. the 2009 and 2010 lakers had ZEEEEEEERO NBA hall of fame players after KOBE... 90% of the guys dropped out of the nba not more than a few years later.


kobe can win a title with even the most average supporting cast.

give him the absolute worst center in the nba

give him the absolute worst point guard in the nba

give him the absolute worst small forward in the nba

and give him the absolute worst bench in the nba

and he takes those guys plus lamar odom to the nba playoffs in the west




kobe is hella f*ckin underrated on ISH.. tired of this sh*t

[TheMarkMadsen]

You're deflecting, brah

understandable

You're asking how many rings would kobe win his the first 3 years with those rosters..

Kobe would turn 20 at the end of the 3rd year..

You are knocking teenage Kobe for hypothetically not leading Kendall Gill to championships...

This thread confirms you as an idiot

[kennethgriffin]

2002 nets = 52-30

Kobe = +10 wins minimum
Kidd
Martin
Kittles
Jefferson
Macculloch

62-20 adjusted record ( possibly wins finals against kings )


2003 nets = 49-33

Kobe = +10 wins
kidd
jefferson
martin
kittles
mutombo

59-23 adjusted record ( beats spurs in finals, sanantonio was raw. kobe owns tim )


2004 nets 47-35

Kobe = + 10 wins
kidd
kittles
martin
collins
harris
mourning

57-35 adjusted record ( probably loses to pistons )


2005 nets 42-40 ( had vince and jefferson half the season though )

Kobe + 10 wins
kidd
vince
jefferson
krstic
collins

52-30 adjusted record ( but more around a 60+ win type team with vince/jefferson + kobe for an entire season. would challenge pistons and sanantonio )


2006 nets 49-33

Kobe +15 ( peak kobe )
kidd
vince
jefferson
krstic
collins
robinson


64-18 adjusted record ( easly beats miami and dallas in the finals )