Kyrie Had One Hell of a Year

[Nowitness]

All-Star MVP and now FIBA MVP. He was the most awarded player on the entire planet this year.

Cleveland are a real threat.

[Smook A.]

He had some good and bad moments. The good ones are of course him winning the 2014 All-Star MVP and 2014 FIBA MVP, like you mentioned. He really showed us that he has the skills and talent to one day become an even better scorer and overall player. I think he also recorded his 1st triple double this year, which is great. He also had a career-high, 44 points. Another awesome moment for him (and Cleveland) was when LeBron chose to come back to the Cavs and when they traded for Kevin Love. Kyrie gets a chance to play with 2 very good players. I'm excited to see how they play together, and I'm sure fans of other teams are too.

Anyway... some of the bad moments Kyrie had this year were obviously when the Cavs missed the playoffs and when he had that bicep injury late in the 2014 season. That's really it, honestly. In the end, I'm just looking forward to see how well he'll develop in the future. He's one of my favorite players in this league and it would be great to see him become a superstar one day.

[kennethgriffin]

enjoy it while it lasts... he's playing with LeCancer now

[Lebronxrings]

enjoy it while it lasts... he's playing with LeCancer now



LeCancer? You do realize lebron makes his teammates exponentially better right?

[Beastmode88]

LeCancer? You do realize lebron makes his teammates exponentially better right?

What happened to chris bosh? :coleman:

[Cocaine80s]

What happened to chris bosh? :coleman:
2 rings

[kennethgriffin]

LeCancer? You do realize lebron makes his teammates exponentially better right?


chris bosh before lebron

24/11

chris bosh after lebron

16/6

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dwyane wade before lebron

26/7/5

dwyane wade after lebron

19/4/4

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shaquille oneal before lebron

18/8

shaquille oneal after lebron

12/6

------------------------------

larry hughes before lebron

22/6/5

larry highes after lebron

12/2/1



Lebrons team... where careers come to die

[Sarcastic]

chris bosh before lebron

24/11

chris bosh after lebron

16/6

-----------------------------

dwyane wade before lebron

26/7/5

dwyane wade after lebron

19/4/4

-----------------------------

shaquille oneal before lebron

18/8

shaquille oneal after lebron

12/6

------------------------------

larry hughes before lebron

22/6/5

larry highes after lebron

12/2/1



Lebrons team... where careers come to die




Damn

[Cocaine80s]

chris bosh before lebron

24/11

chris bosh after lebron

16/6

-----------------------------

dwyane wade before lebron

26/7/5

dwyane wade after lebron

19/4/4

-----------------------------

shaquille oneal before lebron

18/8

shaquille oneal after lebron

12/6

------------------------------

larry hughes before lebron

22/6/5

larry highes after lebron

12/2/1



Lebrons team... where careers come to die


Mods. this shit is ban worthy

Bosh was forced to play out of position because the heat were small as fvck. Wade played great with Lebron until 2013 then he started to decline, especially with his knee. Shaq and Hughes though? Future negged

[Brokenbeat]

Cavs are so stacked. :eek: :bowdown:

[Prometheus]

Funny how, to people like kennethgriffin, raw stats mean nothing in determining LeBron's greatness and it's all about winning. Then when he wins with his team, it doesn't mean he's good for his teammates because "look at their stats while playing with him".

[Real14]

I agree. I wonder how well him, Love, and lebron will play together this upcoming season.

[no pun intended]

Kyrie and Love damnnn.

Shit I forgot the Cavs had LeBron too.

[kennethgriffin]

based on historical evidence. this is my prediction


kevin love before lebron

26/13/4

kevin love after lebron

16/10/2

--------------------------------

kyrie irving before lebron

21/4/6

kyrie irving after lebron

14/2/4

[Smook A.]

chris bosh before lebron

24/11

chris bosh after lebron

16/6

-----------------------------

dwyane wade before lebron

26/7/5

dwyane wade after lebron

19/4/4

-----------------------------

shaquille oneal before lebron

18/8

shaquille oneal after lebron

12/6

------------------------------

larry hughes before lebron

22/6/5

larry highes after lebron

12/2/1

Lol why the hell are you putting their final season stats with LeBron up? You make it look like they did worse than what they actually did.

Larry Hughes before LeBron: 22/6/5
After: 15.5/4/4

Dwyane Wade before LeBron: 26.6/7/5
After: 25.5/6/5

Chris Bosh before LeBron: 24/11/2
After: 19/8/2

Shaquille O'Neal before LeBron: 18/8/2
After: 12/7/1.5

Larry Hughes' role really changed, that is why his stats dropped. The amount of touches he got were decreased too, because LeBron was obviously the main ball-handler.

Dwyane Wade's stats didn't really change after his 1st year with LeBron. They decreased every year after that season because he got older and his knee was bothering him more.

Chris Bosh went from the #1 guy to #3. He was the main guy in Toronto. They went to him almost every possession. In Miami he was behind Dwyane Wade and of course LeBron James. Which means he got less touches.

Shaq was just getting older. He was 37 at the time he signed with the Cavs.

[red1]

enjoy it while it lasts... he's playing with LeCancer now



if lebron is a cancer then how would you describe an admittedly selfish player like kobe

[Smook A.]

based on historical evidence. this is my prediction


kevin love before lebron

26/13/4

kevin love after lebron

16/10/2

--------------------------------

kyrie irving before lebron

21/4/6

kyrie irving after lebron

14/2/4
Lol you're definitely delusional, dude. To think they're stats will go down that much... you must be out of your mind.

Kevin Love's stats will probably look something like - 20 ppg/11 rpg/3 apg
Kyrie - 18 ppg 7 apg

[Real14]

if lebron is a cancer then how would you describe an admittedly selfish player like kobe
How is kobe a cancer?

[kennethgriffin]

Lol why the hell are you putting their final season stats with LeBron up? You make it look like they did worse than what they actually did.

Larry Hughes before LeBron: 22/6/5
After: 15.5/4/4

Dwyane Wade before LeBron: 26.6/7/5
After: 25.5/6/5

Chris Bosh before LeBron: 24/11/2
After: 19/8/2

Shaquille O'Neal before LeBron: 18/8/2
After: 12/7/1.5

Larry Hughes' role really changed, that is why his stats dropped. The amount of touches he got were decreased too, because LeBron was obviously the main ball-handler.

Dwyane Wade's stats didn't really change after his 1st year with LeBron. They decreased every year after that season because he got older and his knee was bothering him more.

Chris Bosh went from the #1 guy to #3. He was the main guy in Toronto. They went to him almost every possession. In Miami he was behind Dwyane Wade and of course LeBron James. Which means he got less touches.

Shaq was just getting older. He was 37 at the time he signed with the Cavs.











cancer takes atleast 2-3 years to kill someone

wade and bosh's were a steady decline

but shaq and larry's were fatal right from the start

R.I.P




http://i60.tinypic.com/280pkiv.jpg

[red1]

How is kobe a cancer?
where did I say that kobe is a cancer? I asked a hypothetical question

[Smook A.]

cancer takes atleast 2-3 years to kill someone

wade and bosh's were a steady decline

but shaq and larry's were fatal right from the start

R.I.P




http://i60.tinypic.com/280pkiv.jpg
Well Wade's stats were going to decline even if LeBron didn't come to Miami. He was getting older and his knee was going to become a problem for him.

And like I said before... Chris Bosh went from the 1st option on a team to the 3rd.

[Real14]

where did I say that kobe is a cancer? I asked a hypothetical question
Oh I see.

[kennethgriffin]

if lebron is a cancer then how would you describe an admittedly selfish player like kobe

kobes literally had some of the most positive affects on teammates


hes made like 20 scrubs seem like genuine ballers for a few years

hes made average guys into allstars. and turned some role players into possible HOF arguments

every single no name guy that plays with kobe ends up getting a huge pay day from some other team. then gets cut and winds up in europe once he doesnt have anyone like kobe to take attention away from him

[Warfan]

Those numbers are misleading. Wade was playing like and putting up superstar numbers in 2011? How is that possible with LeCancer? Even in 2012 wade was playing some great ball, but he got hurt and took a back seat and he started to decline. Bosh, well no shit his numbers will go down when you go from a 1st to 3rd option and play less minutes than in Toronto. And your numbers are wrong, he averaged 24/11 in 2010 and then averaged 19/9 in 2011. He averages 17/7 over the 4 years, and comparing his per 36 numbers from miami and toronto is pretty close; 19.7/9 to 18/8. Even brons numbers went down a bit from cleveland, he averaged something like 30/8/9 in his last year than went to 27/7/7. And bron led them to 2 championships, I guess they must be so upset about their careers 'dying'.

Shaq averaged 18/8 playing 30mpg then averaged 12/7 whilst barely playing over 20mpg, not to mention he was playing in Phoenix. Hughes was still averaging something like 15-16ppg and he got hurt as well, and he had a different role on the team too.

[navy]

Those numbers are misleading. Wade was playing like and putting up superstar numbers in 2011? How is that possible with LeCancer? Even in 2012 wade was playing some great ball, but he got hurt and took a back seat and he started to decline. Bosh, well no shit his numbers will go down when you go from a 1st to 3rd option and play less minutes than in Toronto. And your numbers are wrong, he averaged 24/11 in 2010 and then averaged 19/9 in 2011. He averages 17/7 over the 4 years, and comparing his per 36 numbers from miami and toronto is pretty close; 19.7/9 to 18/8. Even brons numbers went down a bit from cleveland, he averaged something like 30/8/9 in his last year than went to 27/7/7. And bron led them to 2 championships, I guess they must be so upset about their careers 'dying'.

Shaq averaged 18/8 playing 30mpg then averaged 12/7 whilst barely playing over 20mpg, not to mention he was playing in Phoenix. Hughes was still averaging something like 15-16ppg and he got hurt as well and of course he had a different role on the team.

Kenneth is a troll, what did you expect?

[poido123]

Mods. this shit is ban worthy

Bosh was forced to play out of position because the heat were small as fvck. Wade played great with Lebron until 2013 then he started to decline, especially with his knee. Shaq and Hughes though? Future negged


Have a :cry: you piece of shit poster.

You got too butthurt over this.

Future negged.

[kennethgriffin]

Those numbers are misleading. Wade was playing like and putting up superstar numbers in 2011? How is that possible with LeCancer? Even in 2012 wade was playing some great ball, but he got hurt and took a back seat and he started to decline. Bosh, well no shit his numbers will go down when you go from a 1st to 3rd option and play less minutes than in Toronto. And your numbers are wrong, he averaged 24/11 in 2010 and then averaged 19/9 in 2011. He averages 17/7 over the 4 years, and comparing his per 36 numbers from miami and toronto is pretty close; 19.7/9 to 18/8. Even brons numbers went down a bit from cleveland, he averaged something like 30/8/9 in his last year than went to 27/7/7. And bron led them to 2 championships, I guess they must be so upset about their careers 'dying'.

Shaq averaged 18/8 playing 30mpg then averaged 12/7 whilst barely playing over 20mpg, not to mention he was playing in Phoenix. Hughes was still averaging something like 15-16ppg and he got hurt as well and of course he had a different role on the team.



the only time wade looked like wade was in the 2011 finals when lebron quit on the team and hid in the corner.

what does that tell everyone?

[poido123]

the only time wade looked like wade was in the 2011 finals when lebron quit on the team and hid in the corner.

what does that tell everyone?


I know he is trolling a little, but this dude is funny :oldlol:

[Nash]

chris bosh before lebron

24/11

chris bosh after lebron

16/6

-----------------------------

dwyane wade before lebron

26/7/5

dwyane wade after lebron

19/4/4

-----------------------------

shaquille oneal before lebron

18/8

shaquille oneal after lebron

12/6

------------------------------

larry hughes before lebron

22/6/5

larry highes after lebron

12/2/1



Lebrons team... where careers come to die


Bosh = 1st option, 3rd option.

Wade = 1st option prime, 2nd option after bunch of injuries

Shaq = :oldlol: :oldlol: (notice how the smiley is called "OLDlol"

[navy]

the only time wade looked like wade was in the 2011 finals when lebron quit on the team and hid in the corner.

what does that tell everyone?

Wade averaged 30/7/5 vs Boston you tool. :oldlol:

[Nash]

if lebron is a cancer then how would you describe an admittedly selfish player like kobe
Kobe is a giver.. He gives his teammates missed field goals.

[red1]

You would have to be a retard to argue that a former mvp and fmvp is a cancer to his team.


kobes literally had some of the most positive affects on teammates


hes made like 20 scrubs seem like genuine ballers for a few years
We all thought a cast of defensive role-players plus lebron was a championship team for two straight years. How many players in league history would have had championship expectations with such a one-dimensional roster?


hes made average guys into allstars. and turned some role players into possible HOF arguments

every single no name guy that plays with kobe ends up getting a huge pay day from some other team. then gets cut and winds up in europe once he doesnt have anyone like kobe to take attention away from him
Show me ONE average player that kobe turned into an all-star.

Mo williams is still the same player today. Does he look like an all-star to you?

[red1]

I know he is trolling a little, but this dude is funny :oldlol:
A little? :oldlol:

[Real14]

Kobe is a giver.. He gives his teammates missed field goals.
What did Lebron give his teammates in the finals last June?

[Cocaine80s]

Have a :cry: you piece of shit poster.

You got too butthurt over this.

Future negged.
yikes
http://i.imgur.com/4fZBMpD.png

[poido123]

A little? :oldlol:


He's fending off the Lebron disciples single handedly, admirable humour :lol

[poido123]

yikes
http://i.imgur.com/4fZBMpD.png


Rose is fine.

Won't start worrying until mid season.

[Real14]

Rose is fine.

Won't start worrying until mid season.
Let's just hope he makes it to the mid season. No offense.

[Cocaine80s]

Let's just hope he makes it to the mid season. No offense.
:oldlol:

[tpols]

if lebron is a cancer then how would you describe an admittedly selfish player like kobe
Kobe may chuck but he didn't tell pau to camp the 3 pt line.. He actually drew defenders outward to contest his (admittedly dumb sometimes) fade away making life on his big men easier. Teams do the opposite to lebran.. they pack the paint forcing his teammates to go wide so he can get some lanes.

Plus kobe doesn't pound the air out of the ball every play

[poido123]

Let's just hope he makes it to the mid season. No offense.


I'd worry about your terrible roster that is incapable of beating the bulls without rose :oldlol:

[red1]

Kobe may chuck but he didn't tell pau to camp the 3 pt line.. He actually drew defenders outward to contest his (admittedly dumb sometimes) fade away making life on his big men easier. Teams do the opposite to lebran.. they pack the paint forcing his teammates to go wide so he can get some lanes.
You think lebron told bosh to camp at the three point line? Bosh said himself that he doesn't like to bang and play physical and from watching him play here for years I know that he loves shooting jumpshots.


Plus kobe doesn't pound the air out of the ball every play
When you have a player who can create a good shot for himself AND create for teammates then why wouldn't you want the ball in his hands? :confusedshrug:

[I<3NBA]

wtf? why did this thread turn into a Kobe vs Lebron thread? who's the dipshit responsible for derailing this thread?

[red1]

wtf? why did this thread turn into a Kobe vs Lebron thread? who's the dipshit responsible for derailing this thread?
See the third post.

[Real14]

I'd worry about your terrible roster that is incapable of beating the bulls without rose :oldlol:
How are we incapable? We have a chance man, last season was a fluke.

[poido123]

How are we incapable? We have a chance man, last season was a fluke.


I know you to be a good guy dude, I have no beef with you :cheers:

Its the other clown here I don't like.

[tpols]

You think lebron told bosh to camp at the three point line? Bosh said himself that he doesn't like to bang and play physical and from watching him play here for years I know that he loves shooting jumpshots.


When you have a player who can create a good shot for himself AND create for teammates then why wouldn't you want the ball in his hands? :confusedshrug:

Well we're talking stars.. Wade and bosh.. pau and odom.. Lebron makes shooters great ie 2011 to 2012 finals when they went from heavy bosh PnR with wade and Bron alternating in 2011 but lost because egos and touches got confused and Bron couldn't play without full control to 2012 where they destroyed with batter and Bron and all the kickouts.. that's why bosh attempted way more threes after 2011 than he did before.. they realized what the winning formula around Bron was.. spread and kick.

It happens to minimize star roles which is why bosh and wades numbers dropped..

Last I checked pau had even better numbers as a second option than as a first.. odom won 6th man of the year.. Kobe works with his star teammates.. makes them better.

[Real14]

I know you to be a good guy dude, I have no beef with you :cheers:

Its the other clown here I don't like.
Its all good. Who's the other clown?

[Cocaine80s]

Well we're talking stars.. Wade and bosh.. pau and odom.. Lebron makes shooters great ie 2011 to 2012 finals when they went from heavy bosh PnR with wade and Bron alternating in 2011 but lost because egos and touches got confused and Bron couldn't play without full control to 2012 where they destroyed with batter and Bron and all the kickouts.. that's why bosh attempted way more threes after 2011 than he did before.. they realized what the winning formula around Bron was.. spread and kick.

It happens to minimize star roles which is why bosh and wades numbers dropped..

Last I checked pau had even better numbers as a second option than as a first.. odom won 6th man of the year.. Kobe works with his star teammates.. makes them better.
Bosh wouldve had 20/10 if there was no wade. 3 star players cant share the ball and increase their stats at the same time..

[poido123]

Its all good. Who's the other clown?


Smackhead80's. ^^

[Bandito]

LeCancer? You do realize lebron makes his teammates exponentially better right?
What happened to Dwyane Wade...

[rlsmooth775]

What happened to Dwyane Wade...

He declined physically

[Real14]

Smackhead80's. ^^
Oh lol

[hangintheair]

I was looking about this thread regarding Kyrie but it turns out only the first 2 post is about Kyrie..

:biggums: :banghead:

[ball4life27]

mo williams is d-league material, he became an all-star playing with lebron

[T_L_P]

mo williams is d-league material, he became an all-star playing with lebron

Season before LeBron in Milwaukee: 17.2/3.5/6.3/1.2/0.2/.556 TS%

First season with LeBron: 17.8/3.4/4.1/0.9/0.1/.588 TS%

He got slightly better with LeBron, but he didn't turn him from a D-Leaguer to an All-Star.

More like, he was putting up the same numbers on a team that won games.

[RRR3]

I have posted this countless times but it always gets conveniently ignored.

In 2012 Heat were ~14-1 with Wade injured.

In those 15 or so games (with "LeCancer" playing, mind you)
Bosh averaged ~24-25 PPG and Chalmers averaged ~14.

[RedBlackAttack]

It's a damn shame that a thread which should have stayed on topic -- that Kyrie Irving just helped guide the US FIBA team to a Gold Medal -- was almost immediately derailed by KennethGriffin and turned into yet another droning thread about LeBron James.

I guess it was too much to ask to give Kyrie a little respect without literally immediately making it about a guy you love to hate who has nothing to do with the OP.

The conversation is too far along now to try and re-steer it, but this is the kind of stuff that makes this board unbearable to read much of the time. The same tired arguments by the same posters on the same damn topic.

[Real14]

It's a damn shame that a thread which should have stayed on topic -- that Kyrie Irving just helped guide the US FIBA team to a Gold Medal -- was almost immediately derailed by KennethGriffin and turned into yet another droning thread about LeBron James.

I guess it was too much to ask to give Kyrie a little respect without literally immediately making it about a guy you love to hate who has nothing to do with the OP.

The conversation is too far along now to try and re-steer it, but this is the kind of stuff that makes this board unbearable to read much of the time. The same tired arguments by the
same posters on the same damn topic.
I understand what you are saying. Just like when I explain Why the spurs were fortunate to win last season with a honest statement and 5 knick haters gang up on me talking shit about Melo and the knicks. Its crazy man.

[red1]

It's a damn shame that a thread which should have stayed on topic -- that Kyrie Irving just helped guide the US FIBA team to a Gold Medal -- was almost immediately derailed by KennethGriffin and turned into yet another droning thread about LeBron James.

I guess it was too much to ask to give Kyrie a little respect without literally immediately making it about a guy you love to hate who has nothing to do with the OP.

The conversation is too far along now to try and re-steer it, but this is the kind of stuff that makes this board unbearable to read much of the time. The same tired arguments by the same posters on the same damn topic.
Don't worry brother. Kyrie will get more than his share of the spotlight now that he is on this team. You will have even more fanboys and skip bayless-level critics popping up before you know it.

[SyRyanYang]

wtf? why did this thread turn into a Kobe vs Lebron thread? who's the dipshit responsible for derailing this thread?

Every thread eventually does, makes you wonder if Jeff paid the troll for click bait.

inb4 ban

[poido123]

Never looked like missing in that gold medal game.

A lot of those made shots were nothing but net.

He's going to have a lot of wide open shots in Cleveland with Lebron and love drawing the attention.

[NuggetsFan]

Not really. All-Star MVP is pretty useless, guess it's pretty good for popularity/your brand which is probably why every year somebody goes after it. Great internationally, but it's FIBA. NBA wise he regressed abit this year statistically & his team missed the playoffs again.

Guess landing Love/LeBron is great because he'll get to experience the playoffs and fight for championships. 22 is pretty young to have your role reduced like that. In terms of career/legacy it probably would have been better to take the Durant route

[RedBlackAttack]

Not really. All-Star MVP is pretty useless, guess it's pretty good for popularity/your brand which is probably why every year somebody goes after it. Great internationally, but it's FIBA. NBA wise he regressed abit this year statistically & his team missed the playoffs again.

Guess landing Love/LeBron is great because he'll get to experience the playoffs and fight for championships. 22 is pretty young to have your role reduced like that. In terms of career/legacy it probably would have been better to take the Durant route
:roll:

And, there he is. When Kyrie is 26, Love will be 30 and LeBron will be 34. Roles will likely change over a period of years.

[All Net]

Scary 3rd option.

[poido123]

Scary 3rd option.


I think he will play an interchanging 1st and 2nd option.

Love will be used as the spot up 3 pt shooter.

Kyrie and Lebron will take turns dominating the ball and slashing open the defenses.

Much like what wade and Lebron was meant to be...

[NuggetsFan]

:roll:

And, there he is. When Kyrie is 26, Love will be 30 and LeBron will be 34. Roles will likely change over a period of years.

Most of the threads active right now are about Irving. I obviously think he's overrated tho, don't really hide it. I mean if an All-Star game MVP, lottery again, numbers dropping = one hell of a year than by all means. I'm not big on international play, it's a different game. Faried had a great tournament, arguably as good as Kyrie yet I'm not going crazy over it :confusedshrug:

Yeah Kyrie will eventually get the team obviously, he's 22. He's handing over the keys pretty early tho. If I was a Kyrie fan I would rather seen Cleveland build a young core ala OKC and seen if Irving had what it took. Cavs fan yeah your in heaven right now :lol

[RedBlackAttack]

Most of the threads active right now are about Irving. I obviously think he's overrated tho, don't really hide it. I mean if an All-Star game MVP, lottery again, numbers dropping = one hell of a year than by all means. I'm not big on international play, it's a different game. Faried had a great tournament, arguably as good as Kyrie yet I'm not going crazy over it :confusedshrug:

Yeah Kyrie will eventually get the team obviously, he's 22. He's handing over the keys pretty early tho. If I was a Kyrie fan I would rather seen Cleveland build a young core ala OKC and seen if Irving had what it took. Cavs fan yeah your in heaven right now :lol
Depends what numbers you're looking at. His scoring dropped slightly and his scoring efficiency dropped some. But, he was also playing in a Mike Brown offense that was, quite frankly, a mess much of the time and the first quarter of the season was wasted on trying to run the offense through a disinterested, immobile Andrew Bynum.

Meanwhile, he cut down on his careless turnovers immensely, assist totals went up, his A/TO ratio was far and away the best of his career and he gave easily his best defensive effort of his career last season. He also played in over 70 games, which was another thing people questioned coming into his third season.

On top of all that, the Cavs also were +12 in the win department and were fighting for a playoff spot at the end of the season for the first time in four years... and with a roster that was the youngest in the league.

It was much less gloom and doom than it was made out to be, but the only thing the media and people in general love more than building a guy up is tearing him down. I felt that's what Kyrie experienced in his third year.

[All Net]

Actually, not scary at all tbqh.
To have a guy of his talent level as 3rd option is quite scary actually. That's 3 great scoring options the Cavs can depend on now. You won't find a better a 3rd option.

[All Net]

Meh.. call me when they get a Deandre Jordan type center. Until then, they're a pretty ho-hum team tbqh.

Right now it's the Bulls in the East and the Spurs in the West.
Adding that kind of player would make them unbeatable but they don't need that kind of guy to win. They are at worse 2nd or 3rd favourite right now. Varjaeo and Thompson will be more than serviceable

Also not like they need a great center the way the league is these days.

The Bulls are obviously a threat but they have too many questions marks to expect them to win the East.

[Orlando Magic]

chris bosh before lebron

24/11

chris bosh after lebron

16/6

-----------------------------

dwyane wade before lebron

26/7/5

dwyane wade after lebron

19/4/4

-----------------------------

shaquille oneal before lebron

18/8

shaquille oneal after lebron

12/6

------------------------------

larry hughes before lebron

22/6/5

larry highes after lebron

12/2/1



Lebrons team... where careers come to die



Cleveland before LeBron... 33 wins.

Cleveland after LeBron... Conference Finals at a minimum.


Let's go backwards...

2010 Cleveland with LeBron... 61 wins... 1st place.
2011 Cleveland without LeBron... 19 wins... 29th place.

LOL. Troll harder.

[All Net]

What makes you so certain about the Cavs? Is it because they have LeBron/Love/Kyrie (2 out of the 3 with ZERO playoff experience)? This isn't 3 on 3 you know..

Did you even know David Blatt prior to this off-season?

Not a single NBA game under his belt and you think they're at worst a top 2 or 3 team with him at the helm?

At least coach spo had a very years under his belt.. come on now, lets not get ahead of ourselves here.

Superstar talent wins and they have the best player in the world along with another top 10 player and another all star. Their supporting cast is good around the main 3 with some good shooters to spread the floor.

Blatt by all regards is considered a very good coach. Fail to see him not producing at this level. Guy can coach.

Nobody getting ahead of themselves. Cavs have a great team and they should make the finals even In year 1. Bulls are their only threat and even they are depending on Rose being the Rose of old which is quite questionable

[choppermagic]

Dont forget Antwain Jamison

In the SAME YEAR:

2009-2010 WAS
20.5ppg 8.8rpg

traded

2009-2010 CAV
15.8ppg 7.7 rpg

The way dominates the ball, it turns other stars into role players with more limited roles than before. This does not mean that Lebron-ball cannot produce RS wins or be effective, it just means that it requires the plays to be run through Lebron, focusing stats onto Lebron, and taking them away from his star teammates.

[Lebron23]

I am very impressed with his performance in his tournament. He knows how to play with Super star, and franchise players teammates.

[Lebron23]

Dont forget Antwain Jamison

In the SAME YEAR:

2009-2010 WAS
20.5ppg 8.8rpg

traded

2009-2010 CAV
15.8ppg 7.7 rpg

The way dominates the ball, it turns other stars into role players with more limited roles than before. This does not mean that Lebron-ball cannot produce RS wins or be effective, it just means that it requires the plays to be run through Lebron, focusing stats onto Lebron, and taking them away from his star teammates.


Same with Malone, Payton, Nash, and Howard's stats when they played with Kobe. Of course their stats are going to go down because they are playing in a super team.

[jlip]

Dont forget Antwain Jamison

In the SAME YEAR:

2009-2010 WAS
20.5ppg 8.8rpg

traded

2009-2010 CAV
15.8ppg 7.7 rpg

The way dominates the ball, it turns other stars into role players with more limited roles than before. This does not mean that Lebron-ball cannot produce RS wins or be effective, it just means that it requires the plays to be run through Lebron, focusing stats onto Lebron, and taking them away from his star teammates.

Or it simply means that Antwan Jamison's role changed due to playing with a significantly better offensive player not particularly due to Lebron's "ball dominance." In Washington he was basically option 1b to Arenas (or a single option 2 at worst) playing 38.9 minutes per game. In Cleveland he shared option 2 duties with Mo Williams and played only 32.4 minutes per game. That is a difference of practically half a quarter of playing time. Obviously his scoring is going to go down. His minutes decreased, and his role changed. It should be worth noting that his fg% increased in Cleveland to the second highest of his career.

[HurricaneKid]

he gave easily his best defensive effort of his career last season.

No. Just NO.

With Kyrie on the pine Cleveland gave up 6 fewer points/100 possessions. With him on the floor the opponents eFG% shot up .027, turnovers went down, block percentage, stl percentage all dropped.

ONE NBA player with 7000 possessions had a worse def RAPM than he did. ONE.

[Uncle Drew]

Seems like he's finally ready to get to the next level.

[HurricaneKid]

Dont forget Antwain Jamison

In the SAME YEAR:

2009-2010 WAS
20.5ppg 8.8rpg

traded

2009-2010 CAV
15.8ppg 7.7 rpg

The way dominates the ball, it turns other stars into role players with more limited roles than before. This does not mean that Lebron-ball cannot produce RS wins or be effective, it just means that it requires the plays to be run through Lebron, focusing stats onto Lebron, and taking them away from his star teammates.

Pts/36 went from 19.0 to 17.5 and FG% went from .450 to .485. So he joined the team in the second half of the season and didn't get fully integrated into the offense but still had the magical LeBron increase in efficiency.

The following season his scoring bumped all the way to 19.7/36min, a 3 year high for him. Which pretty amazing at 35.

[Paul George 24]

All-Star MVP and now FIBA MVP. He was the most awarded player on the entire planet this year.

Cleveland are a real threat.

AND ZERO PLAYOFFS EXPERIENCE :lol

[Paul George 24]

MO WILL BEFORE JOIN THE CAVS IS ALREADY 18PPG PLAYER.......

LEFLOP MAKES HIS TEAMMATES BETTER :lol

[Paul George 24]

I am very impressed with his performance in his tournament. He knows how to play with Super star, and franchise players teammates.

NO CHAMP FOR CAVS,BECAUSE THEY DUN KNOW HOW TO PLAY DEFENCE,SPECIALLY IRVING,who always get beat by pick and roll :roll:

[Paul George 24]

Seems like he's finally ready to get to the next level.

he is proven that he will never able to lead a team:lol

[jayfan]

LeCancer? You do realize lebron makes his teammates exponentially better right?

Like who? I can't think of one player he's made exponentially better.


.

[Real14]

Seems like he's finally ready to get to the next level.
We will see this fall.

[DukeDelonte13]

No. Just NO.

With Kyrie on the pine Cleveland gave up 6 fewer points/100 possessions. With him on the floor the opponents eFG% shot up .027, turnovers went down, block percentage, stl percentage all dropped.

ONE NBA player with 7000 possessions had a worse def RAPM than he did. ONE.


advanced metrics are very sh*tty in evaluating a player's true defensive abilities.

Kyrie had his best defensive season last year and it's not even remotely arguable.

[MP.Trey]

No. Just NO.

With Kyrie on the pine Cleveland gave up 6 fewer points/100 possessions. With him on the floor the opponents eFG% shot up .027, turnovers went down, block percentage, stl percentage all dropped.

ONE NBA player with 7000 possessions had a worse def RAPM than he did. ONE.
You could quote advanced stats that you yourself probably don't even fully understand, or you could actually watch the games. I prefer the latter.

[Noyze]

no problem, Lebron is the PG.

This.

Bron could put Kyrie in a better position to succeed. Unfortunately he can't be trusted to run an offense for a winning team, and the other problem is Irving ranked in the bottom half of the league for players who catch and shoot.

It's hard for us to admit how the excitement he displays curbs our judgement. Kyrie's style of play has never been known to do anything other then entertain us, it doesn't win chips. Playing with Bron could change that so we'll see.

[Meticode]

chris bosh before lebron

24/11

chris bosh after lebron

16/6

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dwyane wade before lebron

26/7/5

dwyane wade after lebron

19/4/4

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shaquille oneal before lebron

18/8

shaquille oneal after lebron

12/6

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larry hughes before lebron

22/6/5

larry highes after lebron

12/2/1



Lebrons team... where careers come to die


Curious why you didn't mention Mo Williams in here, oh wait.

[qrich]

Caron Butler with Kobe: 15.5/5.8/1.9 on 44.5%
Next Four Years: 19.4/6.6/3.8 on 45.9%

Kwame Brown before Kobe: 10.9/7.4
With Kobe: 7.8/6.3

Dwight before Kobe: 20.6/14.5
W/: 17.1/12.4
After: 18.3/12.2

Nash before: 12.5/10.7 on 53.2%
With Kobe: 11.4/6.4 on 47.8%

Radmanovic before: 10.7/5.7 on 41.3% 3pt
Radman with: 7.3/3.1 on 39.1%

Steve Blake: 11/5 on 42.3%
With: 5.6/3.6 on 38.8%


:roll:


That selfishness.