Wizards MJ pre-knee injury HTH with Greats

[Iceman#44]

Talking about MJ Wizards pre-knee injury. He basically win every hth matchup with younger rivals like PP or Vince. Those are the stats for the 2001-2002 season, before his knee went down.:bowdown: :bowdown:


VS PAUL PIERCE

2001-11-07:
Jordan: 32\8\2, 2 stl, 12-26 fg
Pierce: 14\5\2, 2 stl, 3 blk, 6-16 fg (win)

2001-11-24:
Jordan: 17\11\6, 1 stl, 7-24 fg (win)
Pierce: 23\7\5, 1 stl, 2 blk, 7-20 fg

2001-2002 TOTALS
W-L: 1-1
JORDAN: 24.5 ppg, 9.5 rbs, 4.0 ast, .380 fg
PIERCE: 18.5 ppg, 6.0 rbs, 3.5 ast, .361 fg

Pierce in his prime just destroyed. 2-0 HTH plain and simple. JORDAN WIN.


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VS LATRELL SPREWELL

2001-2002

2001-10-30:
Jordan: 19\5\6, 4 stl, 7-21 fg
Sprewell: 28\5\3, 1 stl, 9-21 fg (win)

2001-12-14:
Jordan: 19\6\6, 1stl, 2blk, 8-19 fg (win)
Sprewell: 13\0\1, 2-10 fg

2001-12-22:
Jordan: 26\1\3, 1 stl 11-22 fg (GAME-WINNER)
Sprewell: 6\4\3, 3-16 fg


2001-2002 TOTALS:
W-L: 2-1
JORDAN: 21.3 ppg, 4.0 rbs, 5.0 ast, .420 fg%
SPREWELL: 15.7 ppg, 3.0 rbs, 2.3 ast, .298 fg%

Same. Sprewell outscored, more boards, more ast, better fg%, 2-1 in HTH and also a Game-winner in Spree face. JORDAN WIN.


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VS RAY ALLEN

2001-11-14:
Jordan: 31\4\3, 2 stl, 1 blk, 12-24 fg
Allen: 22\4\9, 1 stl, 1 blk, 6-14 fg (win)

2002-01-11:
Jordan: 22\3\3 1 stl, 10-24 fg
Allen: 27\3\4 3 stl, 11-19 fg (win)

2001-2002 TOTALS
W-L: 0-2
JORDAN: 26.5 ppg, 3.5 rbs, 3.0 ast, .458 fg
ALLEN: 24.5 ppg, 3.5 rbs, 6.5 ast, .515 fg


So, its a 1-1 in the HTH. MJ at 38 years old dropped 31 on 50% in the 1st matchup, but Allen got the best of him in the 2nd. Still, in the overall numbers MJ scored more but Allen had more ast and a better %. DRAW


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VS VINCE CARTER

2001-12-16:
Jordan: 21\4\3 3 stl, 8-21 fg (win)
Carter: 23\5\1 2 stl, 2 blk, 8-17 fg (Carter scores ZERO points in the 2nd half thanks to MJ defensive effort)

2002-02-05:
Jordan: 23\7\5 10-21 fg (win)
Carter: 29\1\2 10-23 fg


2001-2002 TOTALS
W-L: 2-0
JORDAN: 22.0 ppg, 5.5 rbs, 4.0 ast, .429 fg%
CARTER: 26.0 ppg, 3.0 rbs, 1.5 ast, .450 fg%


MJ hands down. 2 wins, in the 1st he hold VC to ZERO in the 2nd half while scoring also 21 points, in the second he put 23\7\5 with better fg%. Carter with just 1.5 ast in 2 contest.
While VC scored more overall (26 to 22 ppg), Mj had better boards and ast numbers.

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VS KOBE BRYANT

2002-02-12:
Jordan: 22\5\6 , 2stl, 1 blk 9-20 fg
Bryant: 23\11\15, 1 stl, 1 blk, 8-20 fg (win)

Kobe got this. Kobe leads LA comeback and got the win plus the triple double. But MJ still hold his own, scoring 22 with better fg%, 5 boards and 6 ast.

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VS ALLEN IVERSON

2001-11-28:
Jordan: 30\6\7 5 stl 1 blk, 11-27 fg (win)
Iverson: 40\6\3 1 stl, 15-31 fg

2002-01-22:
Jordan: 30\8\6 2 stl 1 blk, 14-27 fg
Iverson: 34\2\5 2 stl 1 blk, 14-32 fg (win)


2001-2002 TOTALS
W-L: 1-1
JORDAN: 30.0 ppg, 7.0 rbs, 6.5 ast, .463 fg%
IVERSON: 37.0 ppg, 4.0 rbs, 4.0 ast, .460 fg%


Hard choice, but MJ got this. Jordan scored 30 a game with huge numbers in boards and ast and with a better fg%, and Iverson 37 a game where remarkable anyway.


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VS TRACY MCGRADY

2001-12-01:
Jordan: 15\7\7 2 blk, 6-19 fg
McGrady: 26\8\2 1 blk, 10-20 fg (win)

T.Mac got this. Anyway, its fair to note that after this game Mj knee was so bad that he didnt play vs Spurs and he got drained.


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VS KEVIN GARNETT

2002-01-12:
Jordan: 35\6\4 1 stl 1 blk, 14-30 fg
Garnett: 31\6\7 1 stl, 12-21 fg (win)

2002-01-21:
Jordan: 29\14\3, 12-34 fg
Garnett: 23\6\9 1 stl 1 blk, 8-17 fg (win)

2001-2002 TOTALS
W-L: 0-2
JORDAN: 32.0 ppg, 10.0 rbs, 3.5 ast, .406 fg%
GARNETT: 27.0 ppg, 6.0 rbs, 8.0 ast, .526 fg%


I will say a draw. Mj scored more, take more boards, but KG made more ast and with a better fg%.

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VS JERRY STACKHOUSE


2001-11-04:
Jordan: 19\8\2 1 stl, 8-18 fg
Stackhouse: 28\4\4, 12-17 fg (WIN)

2002-01-29:
Jordan: 32\5\7 2 stl, 13-30 fg
Stackhouse: 24\6\6 1 stl, 10-21 fg (WIN)

2001-2002 TOTALS
Jordan: 25.5 ppg, 6.5 rbs, 4.5 ast, .438 fg%
Stackhouse: 26.0 ppg, 5.0 ast, 5.0 ast, .579 fg%


Close one, but Stack got this.

[Beastmode88]

Damn.. Kobe with a mean triple double in a win showing MJ how its done.. Then scored in a half at a rate MJ could only dream of. Could only imagine what LeBron would've done against a prime MJ. :eek:

Pass the ball to dwade?

[Haymaker]

Pass the ball to dwade?
:oldlol: SLAYED

[andgar923]

Pass the ball to dwade?
:roll: :roll:

[russwest0]

Pass the ball to dwade?

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

also good shit on Kobe stepping up and dominating vs MJ

[Smoke117]

This is obviously just a hate thread, but I really don't understand why all the Jordan stans think Jordan was any good on the Wizards. The guy averaged an atrocious 22.9ppg on 22.1 shot attempts his first season...:biggums: That is Antoine Walker efficiency at his worst. There is no way you can spin a positive on a guy jacking up 22.1 shots to score 22.9pppg.

[D-FENS]

OP, MJ played most of his minutes at SF for the Wiz

[scandisk_]

Damn.. Kobe with a mean triple double in a win showing MJ how its done.. Then scored in a half at a rate MJ could only dream of. Could only imagine what LeBron would've done against a prime MJ. :eek:

u got slayed :roll: :roll: :roll:

[jstern]

This is obviously just a hate thread, but I really don't understand why all the Jordan stans think Jordan was any good on the Wizards. The guy averaged an atrocious 22.9ppg on 22.1 shot attempts his first season...:biggums: That is Antoine Walker efficiency at his worst. There is no way you can spin a positive on a guy jacking up 22.1 shots to score 22.9pppg.

Agree it wasn't the best, but what were his numbers before the injury?

[Im so nba'd out]

The circle jerk on this site really needs to stop

[Good Ol JR]

BAH GAWD look at the carnage

[Asukal]

Pass the ball to dwade?

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh! one shot one kill bro! :oldlol:

[3ball]

This is obviously just a hate thread, but I really don't understand why all the Jordan stans think Jordan was any good on the Wizards. The guy averaged an atrocious 22.9ppg on 22.1 shot attempts his first season...:biggums: That is Antoine Walker efficiency at his worst. There is no way you can spin a positive on a guy jacking up 22.1 shots to score 22.9pppg.
Jordan led that Wizards team to 19 more wins (18 to 37) while shooting the same TS percentage as Lebron in Lebron's rookie year..

No one gets on Lebron for shooting that as a rook.. and no one should get on Jordan for shooting that as an old man with no knees, when he's bringing everything else to the table to get 19 more wins.

How many more wins above 19 did you expect a 39-year old to get for the Wizards?

[Stringer Bell]

This is obviously just a hate thread, but I really don't understand why all the Jordan stans think Jordan was any good on the Wizards. The guy averaged an atrocious 22.9ppg on 22.1 shot attempts his first season...:biggums: That is Antoine Walker efficiency at his worst. There is no way you can spin a positive on a guy jacking up 22.1 shots to score 22.9pppg.

By regular standards, he was a pretty good player.

I agree he wasn't efficient, but the team win total almost doubled from the previous year.

It's not like the Wizards made any other significant additions other than Jordan, so I'd credit Jordan being a difference maker in the Wizards going from garbage to mediocre.

[SamuraiSWISH]

By regular standards, he was a pretty good player.

I agree he wasn't efficient, but the team win total almost doubled from the previous year.

It's not like the Wizards made any other significant additions other than Jordan, so I'd credit Jordan being a difference maker in the Wizards going from garbage to mediocre.
It's not like he was on some stacked Portland Trailblazer squad or something. His best players were Tyrone Nesby, Tyrone Lue, Jahidi White, and rookie RIP Hamilton. I mean what did they expect from a 39 year old coming off 3x years of retirement? All things considering, before his knee injury, he was good. Not consistent given age with back to backs, but he more than doubled their win total. On pace for the playoffs too before his injury.

[Myth]

VS RAY ALLEN

2001-11-14:
Jordan: 31\4\3, 2 stl, 1 blk, 12-24 fg
Allen: 22\4\9, 1 stl, 1 blk, 6-14 fg (win)

2002-01-11:
Jordan: 22\3\3 1 stl, 10-24 fg
Allen: 27\3\4 3 stl, 11-19 fg (win)

2001-2002 TOTALS
W-L: 0-2
JORDAN: 26.5 ppg, 3.5 rbs, 3.0 ast, .458 fg
ALLEN: 24.5 ppg, 3.5 rbs, 6.5 ast, .515 fg


So, its a 1-1 in the HTH. MJ at 38 years old dropped 31 on 50% in the 1st matchup, but Allen got the best of him in the 2nd. Still, in the overall numbers MJ scored more but Allen had more ast and a better %. DRAW





VS ALLEN IVERSON

2001-11-28:
Jordan: 30\6\7 5 stl 1 blk, 11-27 fg (win)
Iverson: 40\6\3 1 stl, 15-31 fg

2002-01-22:
Jordan: 30\8\6 2 stl 1 blk, 14-27 fg
Iverson: 34\2\5 2 stl 1 blk, 14-32 fg (win)


2001-2002 TOTALS
W-L: 1-1
JORDAN: 30.0 ppg, 7.0 rbs, 6.5 ast, .463 fg%
IVERSON: 37.0 ppg, 4.0 rbs, 4.0 ast, .460 fg%


Hard choice, but MJ got this. Jordan scored 30 a game with huge numbers in boards and ast and with a better fg%, and Iverson 37 a game where remarkable anyway.




VS KEVIN GARNETT

2002-01-12:
Jordan: 35\6\4 1 stl 1 blk, 14-30 fg
Garnett: 31\6\7 1 stl, 12-21 fg (win)

2002-01-21:
Jordan: 29\14\3, 12-34 fg
Garnett: 23\6\9 1 stl 1 blk, 8-17 fg (win)

2001-2002 TOTALS
W-L: 0-2
JORDAN: 32.0 ppg, 10.0 rbs, 3.5 ast, .406 fg%
GARNETT: 27.0 ppg, 6.0 rbs, 8.0 ast, .526 fg%


I will say a draw. Mj scored more, take more boards, but KG made more ast and with a better fg%.




I disagree with your final conclusions on these ones.

I'd say Allen won over Jordan, not a draw. 2ppg more for Jordan does not counter Allen's 2-0 record, 3.5 assists more per game, and Allen's considerably better fg%.

I can see somebody going towards Jordan with the Iverson one, but I think this one is a draw. 37ppg pretty dominating even if some of the other numbers are somewhat lower. I also think pointing out a .003 difference in fg% is so negligible that I see no point in mentioning it unless you there is a bias.

With Garnett, he won both games and had considerably better fg%. Give me 27ppg off 19 shots pg over 32ppg off 32 shots pg any day of the week. Jordan's rebounds vs Garnett's assists are a wash though.