Is it true that Kobe has a TON of more wins vs 50+ win teams in playoffs than LeBron?

[russwest0]

I saw a Kobe stan say this in another thread, and I was wondering if anyone can confirm the validity.

[Warfan]

Another thread where u act like you dont know something, whether it's obvious or not...

[mattvNJ]

PROPS To kennethgriff

Kobe Bryant playoff series wins vs 50+ win teams

1997-98 Seattle SuperSonics Record: 61-21
1999-00 Phoenix Suns Record: 53-29
1999-00 Portland Trail Blazers Record: 59-23
1999-00 Indiana Pacers Record: 56-26
1999-00 NBA Champions
2000-01 Portland Trail Blazers Record: 50-32
2000-01 Sacramento Kings Record: 55-27
2000-01 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24
2000-01 Philadelphia 76ers Record: 56-26
2000-01 NBA Champions
2001-02 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24
2001-02 Sacramento Kings Record: 61-21
2001-02 New Jersey Nets Record: 52-30
2001-02 NBA Champions
2002-03 Minnesota Timberwolves Record: 51-31
2003-04 San Antonio Spurs Record: 57-25
2003-04 Minnesota Timberwolves Record: 58-24
2003-04 NBA Finals
2007-08 Denver Nuggets Record: 50-32
2007-08 Utah Jazz Record: 54-28
2007-08 San Antonio Spurs Record: 56-26
2007-08 NBA Finals
2008-09 Houston Rockets Record: 53-29
2008-09 Denver Nuggets Record: 54-28
2008-09 Orlando Magic Record: 59-23
2008-09 NBA Champions
2009-10 Oklahoma City Thunder Record: 50-32
2009-10 Utah Jazz Record: 53-29
2009-10 Phoenix Suns Record: 54-28
2009-10 Boston Celtics Record: 50-32
2009-10 NBA Champions


total = 24 playoff series victories, 5 championships, 7 finals



Lebron playoff series wins vs 50+ win teams

2006-07 Detroit Pistons Record: 53-29
2006-07 NBA Finals
2010-11 Boston Celtics Record: 56-26
2010-11 Chicago Bulls Record: 62-20
2010-11 NBA Finals
2011-12 NBA Champions
2012-13 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24
2012-13 NBA Champions

total = 4 playoff series victories, 2 championships, 4 finals

[russwest0]

Another thread where u act like you dont know something, whether it's obvious or not...

I am assuming that Kobe DOES have more wins in the playoffs vs 50+ win teams; he's been in the league a bit longer.

But I have seen it, and more than once, where people act like Kobe has a significantly higher win total in the playoffs vs those teams, and I'm not sure whether that is true or not.

[KirbyPls]

Another thread where u act like you dont know something, whether it's obvious or not...

Must be a slow tumbleweed season in OKC.

[russwest0]

PROPS To kennethgriff

Kobe Bryant playoff series wins vs 50+ win teams

1997-98 Seattle SuperSonics Record: 61-21
1999-00 Phoenix Suns Record: 53-29
1999-00 Portland Trail Blazers Record: 59-23
1999-00 Indiana Pacers Record: 56-26
1999-00 NBA Champions
2000-01 Portland Trail Blazers Record: 50-32
2000-01 Sacramento Kings Record: 55-27
2000-01 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24
2000-01 Philadelphia 76ers Record: 56-26
2000-01 NBA Champions
2001-02 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24
2001-02 Sacramento Kings Record: 61-21
2001-02 New Jersey Nets Record: 52-30
2001-02 NBA Champions
2002-03 Minnesota Timberwolves Record: 51-31
2003-04 San Antonio Spurs Record: 57-25
2003-04 Minnesota Timberwolves Record: 58-24
2003-04 NBA Finals
2007-08 Denver Nuggets Record: 50-32
2007-08 Utah Jazz Record: 54-28
2007-08 San Antonio Spurs Record: 56-26
2007-08 NBA Finals
2008-09 Houston Rockets Record: 53-29
2008-09 Denver Nuggets Record: 54-28
2008-09 Orlando Magic Record: 59-23
2008-09 NBA Champions
2009-10 Oklahoma City Thunder Record: 50-32
2009-10 Utah Jazz Record: 53-29
2009-10 Phoenix Suns Record: 54-28
2009-10 Boston Celtics Record: 50-32
2009-10 NBA Champions


total = 24 playoff series victories, 5 championships, 7 finals



Lebron playoff series wins vs 50+ win teams

2006-07 Detroit Pistons Record: 53-29
2006-07 NBA Finals
2010-11 Boston Celtics Record: 56-26
2010-11 Chicago Bulls Record: 62-20
2010-11 NBA Finals
2011-12 NBA Champions
2012-13 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24
2012-13 NBA Champions

total = 4 playoff series victories, 2 championships, 4 finals

So it's 24 to 4....? :wtf:

That can't be right, can it?

[Warfan]

I am assuming that Kobe DOES have more wins in the playoffs vs 50+ win teams; he's been in the league a bit longer.

But I have seen it, and more than once, where people act like Kobe has a significantly higher win total in the playoffs vs those teams, and I'm not sure whether that is true or not.

Now that someone posted them you're gonna be like :wtf:



So it's 24 to 4....? :wtf: That can't be right, can it?


there you go :roll:

[rlsmooth775]

Still butthurt the heat crushed your precious thunder the favorites of the 2012 finals

[mattvNJ]

So it's 24 to 4....? :wtf:

That can't be right, can it?
pretty close mainly due to the weakness of the east. But from what i checked i believe it is accurate

[dubeta]

Fisher has beaten like 5x then amount of 50 win teams as Durant but noone brings it up :rolleyes:





Kobe without Pau/Shaq

0 playoff series wins


LeBron without Wade/Bosh

8 playoff series wins including against a 53 win team


Only thing that matters

[TheMarkMadsen]

Fisher has beaten like 5x then amount of 50 win teams as Durant but noone brings it up :rolleyes:





Kobe without Pau/Shaq

0 playoff series wins


LeBron without Wade/Bosh

8 playoff series wins including against a 53 win team


Only thing that matters

You say Pau/Shaq as is they were on the same team :lol

Lebron without Wade/Bosh = no finals wins

Wade without Lebron/Bosh = Championship

Shaq without Kobe = Championship

Pau without Kobe = no playoff wins

Kobe without Shaq = 2 Championships

Kobe without Pau = 3 championships

Kobe>>>>>>>>>>

:sleeping

[Mr Exlax]

Both players are really good. Kobe had to lead his teams in points to win. LeBron had to lead his teams in points, rebounds, assists, blocks, steals etc etc to win. Again, both are great players. Neither won or lost by themselves though. That's what you posters fail to realize.

[SouBeachTalents]

You say Pau/Shaq as is they were on the same team :lol

Lebron without Wade/Bosh = no finals wins

Wade without Lebron/Bosh = Championship

Shaq without Kobe = Championship

Pau without Kobe = no playoff wins

Kobe without Shaq = 2 Championships

Kobe without Pau = 3 championships

Kobe>>>>>>>>>>

:sleeping

Lol, that's an insanely idiotic thing to say considering the other player was on those championship teams. You only proved him right that Kobe's never won without Shaq or Gasol

[SouBeachTalents]

Both players are really good. Kobe had to lead his teams in points to win. LeBron had to lead his teams in points, rebounds, assists, blocks, steals etc etc to win. Again, both are great players. Neither won or lost by themselves though. That's what you posters fail to realize.

Ray Allen 3 jokes aside, Kobe NEVER had to carry a championship team the way LeBron did during the 2013 playoffs

[russwest0]

Kobe without Shaq was a far better basketball player than Shaq without Kobe.

[rlsmooth775]

Kobe without Shaq was a far better basketball player than Shaq without Kobe.


No not really just lucky he had a good enough team to win when he shoots 6 24 7 of 21

[Mr Exlax]

Ray Allen 3 jokes aside, Kobe NEVER had to carry a championship team the way LeBron did during the 2013 playoffs

That was a very key 3 in the game. Doesn't take away LeBron having to lead them in all that stuff though. He hit a big 3. I think LeBron hit one right before that right?

[HOoopCityJones]

Ray Allen 3 jokes aside, Kobe NEVER had to carry a championship team the way LeBron did during the 2013 playoffs

:roll:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Lol, that's an insanely idiotic thing to say considering the other player was on those championship teams. You only proved him right that Kobe's never won without Shaq or Gasol

So stating that Kobe won multiple rings without Pau and won multiple rings without Shaq is idiotic?

Lebron stan logic

"Kobe never won without Gasol" doesn't need to be "disproven" because who the hell is Pau Gasol without Kobe again..A one time all star who never won a playoff game..

[TheMarkMadsen]

That was a very key 3 in the game. Doesn't take away LeBron having to lead them in all that stuff though. He hit a big 3. I think LeBron hit one right before that right?

Wrong.

Lebron missed a couple 3's and turned it over right before the shot.

The Bosh rebound came off a Lebron miss

[SouBeachTalents]

:roll:

I'd probably just post an emoticon too if I couldn't refute that either

[dubeta]

Wrong.

Lebron missed a couple 3's and turned it over right before the shot.

The Bosh rebound came off a Lebron miss

Wrong.

LeBron hit a 3 before Ray to make it a 2 point game


That gave him 16 total points for his 4th quarter comeback

[SouBeachTalents]

Wrong.

LeBron hit a 3 before Ray to make it a 2 point game


That gave him 16 total points for his 4th quarter comeback

Wow, that's about as many as he scored in the 4th during the 2011 Finals

[Thorn]

well Lebron's total is a little deflated since there are teams like the 13 Pacers that won 49 but had that game @Boston canceled because of the bombings

and the 2012 lockout season only the Spurs and Bulls technically won 50 but the Thunder and Pacers would've won 50 had there been a full season

14 Pacers also won 56 but they were garbage in the second half, clearly not a 50 win caliber team at that time they faced Miami

so Lebron's # of wins vs 50 win teams is more like 7-8, not 4

Kobe still has a lot more series wins vs 50 win teams though.

[HOoopCityJones]

I'd probably just post an emoticon too if I couldn't refute that either

Bruh, Lebron can't win a single series if he was out West, he'd be going through the same shit as CP3. Believe that.

Kobe's played in the tougher conference his entire career, beat better defenses and more 50 win teams.

At any point in time during his playoff runs there's only one or two teams he even has to consider a threat in the LEast. Two of those teams he couldn't beat until he joined Wade and Bosh.

[Warfan]

Kobe without Shaq was a far better basketball player than Shaq without Kobe.

Wrong. Orlando Shaq was arguably better than kobe ever was, led the league in scoring in his 3rd year, and nearly matched peak Hakeem in the finals. Even if you disagree that he wasnt better than peak Kobe, Kobe sure as hell wasnt a 'far better basketball player'...

Anyway, Shaq played nearly all of prime and all of his peak w/ kobe. So even if it were true, it's still deceiving...

[aj1987]

Bruh, Lebron can't win a single series if he was out West, he'd be going through the same shit as CP3. Believe that.

Kobe's played in the tougher conference his entire career, beat better defenses and more 50 win teams.

At any point in time during his playoff runs there's only one or two teams he even has to consider a threat in the LEast. Two of those teams he couldn't beat until he joined Wade and Bosh.
And Kobe on the Cav's would've been this eras Dominique. Don't kid yourself. Dude played with a top 6 GOAT since his rookie year and then had the best frontline in the league, along with the GOAT coach for his 2peat.

[dubeta]

You guys DO realize, that every time LeBron lost to a 50 win team in Cleveland, was because they were way more loaded than the Cavs?


From 2006-2010 every series LeBron lost, the other team had 4 of the top 5 players in the series


LeBron would be the best player in the series, and the next 4 best players were on the other team

Who the f*ck can beat those odds??

[TheMarkMadsen]

Wrong.

LeBron hit a 3 before Ray to make it a 2 point game


That gave him 16 total points for his 4th quarter comeback

Last 5 offensive possessions before the Ray Allen shot.

Lebron turnover

Lebron turnover

Lebron missed 3

Lebron made 3

Lebron missed 3

[HOoopCityJones]

And Kobe on the Cav's would've been this eras Dominique. Don't kid yourself. Dude played with a top 6 GOAT since his rookie year and then had the best frontline in the league, along with the GOAT coach for his 2peat.

Kobe with Lebron's 60 win Cavs teams comes outta the East EVERY year.

Who wins in the Finals depends on who decides to show up.

[SouBeachTalents]

You guys DO realize, that every time LeBron lost to a 50 win team in Cleveland, was because they were way more loaded than the Cavs?


From 2006-2010 every series LeBron lost, the other team had 4 of the top 5 players in the series


LeBron would be the best player in the series, and the next 4 best players were on the other team

Who the f*ck can beat those odds??

Same thing happened in the 2014 Finals, especially games 4-5

[aj1987]

Kobe with Lebron's 60 win Cavs teams comes outta the East EVERY year.

Who wins in the Finals depends on who decides to show up.
Yeah, those Cav's teams are not 60 win teams without LeBron. :oldlol: @ Kobe winning with Mo Williams and Delonte West.

[JT123]

Kobe with Lebron's 60 win Cavs teams comes outta the East EVERY year.

Who wins in the Finals depends on who decides to show up.
:roll: :roll: :roll: Your boy shoots 41 percent against Eastern teams in his playoff career! ZERO playoff series wins without a HOF teammate. These are the facts of life.

[dubeta]

Yeah, those Cav's teams are not 60 win teams without LeBron. :oldlol: @ Kobe winning with Mo Williams and Delonte West.

LOOOOOOL :roll:

Kobe with legit stars Bynum and Odom couldnt even get 50 wins :oldlol:

[JT123]

You guys DO realize, that every time LeBron lost to a 50 win team in Cleveland, was because they were way more loaded than the Cavs?


From 2006-2010 every series LeBron lost, the other team had 4 of the top 5 players in the series


LeBron would be the best player in the series, and the next 4 best players were on the other team

Who the f*ck can beat those odds??
Kobe stans will avoid this post like the plague. :lol :lol :lol

[HOoopCityJones]

Yeah, those Cav's teams are not 60 win teams without LeBron. :oldlol: @ Kobe winning with Mo Williams and Delonte West.

Bro, the man plays in the weak ass East.

Why you think Melo stayed in NY?

Why did Gasol choose the Bulls over the more likely to win Thunder or Spurs?

The East is a cesspool for mediocre Basketball, only one or two truly good Teams at a time and it's easy to see who'll be in the Finals before the post season even hits. While out West the champ Spurs were taken to 7 by the Mavs who weren't even half as talented as they will be this year.

Just stop.

You boys need to stick to the stat sheet arguments, because the results don't match up.

[stalkerforlife]

PROPS To kennethgriff

Kobe Bryant playoff series wins vs 50+ win teams

1997-98 Seattle SuperSonics Record: 61-21
1999-00 Phoenix Suns Record: 53-29
1999-00 Portland Trail Blazers Record: 59-23
1999-00 Indiana Pacers Record: 56-26
1999-00 NBA Champions
2000-01 Portland Trail Blazers Record: 50-32
2000-01 Sacramento Kings Record: 55-27
2000-01 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24
2000-01 Philadelphia 76ers Record: 56-26
2000-01 NBA Champions
2001-02 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24
2001-02 Sacramento Kings Record: 61-21
2001-02 New Jersey Nets Record: 52-30
2001-02 NBA Champions
2002-03 Minnesota Timberwolves Record: 51-31
2003-04 San Antonio Spurs Record: 57-25
2003-04 Minnesota Timberwolves Record: 58-24
2003-04 NBA Finals
2007-08 Denver Nuggets Record: 50-32
2007-08 Utah Jazz Record: 54-28
2007-08 San Antonio Spurs Record: 56-26
2007-08 NBA Finals
2008-09 Houston Rockets Record: 53-29
2008-09 Denver Nuggets Record: 54-28
2008-09 Orlando Magic Record: 59-23
2008-09 NBA Champions
2009-10 Oklahoma City Thunder Record: 50-32
2009-10 Utah Jazz Record: 53-29
2009-10 Phoenix Suns Record: 54-28
2009-10 Boston Celtics Record: 50-32
2009-10 NBA Champions


total = 24 playoff series victories, 5 championships, 7 finals



Lebron playoff series wins vs 50+ win teams

2006-07 Detroit Pistons Record: 53-29
2006-07 NBA Finals
2010-11 Boston Celtics Record: 56-26
2010-11 Chicago Bulls Record: 62-20
2010-11 NBA Finals
2011-12 NBA Champions
2012-13 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24
2012-13 NBA Champions

total = 4 playoff series victories, 2 championships, 4 finals

And this is yet another reason why Kobe is well ahead of Lebron, all time. Context. Lebron can pad his stats against lesser competition all he likes, but when taken into context, it is seen for what it really is.

Truly amazing the difference in competition for the two of them.

[dubeta]

Kobe stans will avoid this post like the plague. :lol :lol :lol

Another win for the LeBron family :lol :cheers:

[JT123]

Bro, the man plays in the weak ass East.

Why you think Melo stayed in NY?

Why did Gasol choose the Bulls over the more likely to win Thunder or Spurs?

The East is a cesspool for mediocre Basketball, only one or two truly good Teams at a time and it's easy to see who'll be in the Finals before the post season even hits. While out West the champ Spurs were taken to 7 by the Mavs who weren't even half as talented as they will be this year.

Just stop.

You boys need to stick to the stat sheet arguments, because the results don't match up.
:facepalm Gets ethered, so attempts to change the argument. Classic Kobe stan tactic. :oldlol: To answer your questions
1. Melo stayed in NY for the money. He has made it obvious to everyone by now that he doesn't give 2 shits about winning.
2. Gasol already has 2 rings, and knows his legacy is basically set in stone. He knows that the Bulls will give him the biggest role in the offense. :sleeping

[HOoopCityJones]

:facepalm Gets ethered, so attempts to change the argument. Classic Kobe stan tactic. :oldlol: To answer your questions
1. Melo stayed in the East for the money. He has made it obvious to everyone by now that he doesn't give 2 shits about winning.
2. Gasol already has 2 rings, and knows his legacy is basically set in stone. He knows that the Bulls will give him the biggest role in the offense. :sleeping

I don't have time to debate with a lowly alt. You wanna run with me come out from under the veil homo.

[Nowitness]

You guys DO realize, that every time LeBron lost to a 50 win team in Cleveland, was because they were way more loaded than the Cavs?


From 2006-2010 every series LeBron lost, the other team had 4 of the top 5 players in the series


LeBron would be the best player in the series, and the next 4 best players were on the other team

Who the f*ck can beat those odds??

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2007_finals.html

how great is our god?

drew gooden, duncan, parker and manu outperformed lebrick. :roll:

[JT123]

Another win for the LeBron family :lol :cheers:
Another russwest0 thread backfire. :oldlol: Owning these Kobe stans is starting to get a little too easy.

[SouBeachTalents]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2007_finals.html

how great is our god?

drew gooden, duncan, parker and manu outperformed lebrick. :roll:

If Drew Gooden "outperformed" LeBron in the 2007 Finals, then Gasol outperformed Kobe in the 2010 Finals

[HOoopCityJones]

Another russwest0 thread backfire. :oldlol: Owning these Kobe stans is starting to get a little too easy.

:roll: You keep talking to yourself , it's sad.

[JT123]

I don't have time to debate with a lowly alt. You wanna run with me come out from under the veil homo.
And there it is! When you resort to accusing someone of being an alt you are basically admitting you don't have the ammo to continue debating. :rockon:
Another Kobe stan waives the white flag! :yaohappy:

btw, this is my only account.

[Nowitness]

If Drew Gooden "outperformed" LeBron in the 2007 Finals, then Gasol outperformed Kobe in the 2010 Finals

he did. and in 2009.

but lebron being the best playr in the 07 finals is hilarious. :roll:

[Nowitness]

care to address lebron's first finals, lebrick alts?

what happened to sacrificing 36 ppg on 45 % shooting for 28 ppg on 55%? :roll: :roll: :roll:

just another +50 win team exposing that chump :roll:

[dubeta]

care to address lebron's first finals, lebrick alts?

what happened to sacrificing 36 ppg on 45 % shooting for 28 ppg on 55%? :roll: :roll: :roll:

3 guys guarding lebron at once does that :hammerhead:

http://sneakernews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/lebron-james-2007-nba-finals.jpg

[HOoopCityJones]

And there it is! When you resort to accusing someone of being an alt you are basically admitting you don't have the ammo to continue debating. :rockon:
Another Kobe stan waives the white flag! :yaohappy:

btw, this is my only account.

I don't have to argue with you.

Lebron's track record speaks for itself, he's already playing in the weakest conference and couldn't do shit until Teaming up two rivals in the said conference, now he's jumping from fabricated squads to squad under the pretense of "returning home" I can't wait for this new experiment blow up in his face so people can see this high tailing ass ni99a for the coward he really is.

[stalkerforlife]

24/4 is even worse than 5/7 - 2/5.

24/4 may be the most telling stat between these two.

[Nowitness]

3 guys guarding lebron at once does that :hammerhead:

http://sneakernews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/lebron-james-2007-nba-finals.jpg

:roll:

-calls lebron best player in the series
-called on his shit
-talks about who was guarding him.


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


lebrick was the 4th/5th best player in that series. as per, spurs were sagging off because they knew he had no skill. just good genes.

dude got exposed big time. drew gooden outperformed him. :roll:

[Mr Exlax]

Yall crack me up I swear. I forget that people on here don't love basketball.

[JT123]

I don't have to argue with you.

Lebron's track record speaks for itself, he's already playing in the weakest conference and couldn't do shit until Teaming up two rivals in the said conference, now he's jumping from fabricated squads to squad under the pretense of "returning home" I can't wait for this new experiment blow up in his face so people can see this high tailing ass ni99a for the coward he really is.
Did you just call Bosh a rival of Lebron's? :biggums: :facepalm If Bosh was Lebron's rival then Gasol was Kobe's rival.
Bron's only rival in the East during his Cavs days were the Boston Celtics, who were STACKED with 4 future Hall of Famers and a top 3 coach. If you can't see that then you are hopeless.

[HOoopCityJones]

Did you just call Bosh a rival of Lebron's? :biggums: :facepalm
Bron's only rival in the East during his Cavs days were the Boston Celtics, who were STACKED with 4 future Hall of Famers and a top 3 coach. If you can't see that then you are hopeless.

:lol Oh man you're stupid.


Where did I say they were die hard rivals compared to Bird and Magic? Rivals in the conference. Bosh was on Toronto , Wade was with Miami, these were his opponents in the conference and it only depleted the LEast even more after they teamed up.

[kennethgriffin]

Is it true that Kobe has a TON of more wins vs 50+ win teams in playoffs than LeBron?



ofcourse its true. i proved it was a long time ago

[russwest0]

Last 5 offensive possessions before the Ray Allen shot.

Lebron turnover

Lebron turnover

Lebron missed 3

Lebron made 3

Lebron missed 3

Damn. :oldlol:

[aj1987]

Bro, the man plays in the weak ass East.

Why you think Melo stayed in NY?

Why did Gasol choose the Bulls over the more likely to win Thunder or Spurs?
Because of the money and a better chance to win?



The East is a cesspool for mediocre Basketball, only one or two truly good Teams at a time and it's easy to see who'll be in the Finals before the post season even hits. While out West the champ Spurs were taken to 7 by the Mavs who weren't even half as talented as they will be this year.
Yeah, the no defense West. Doesn't Kobe have a record of dropping 30 PPG against those teams and sucking ass in the Finals against the EC teams? How many good Finals did he actually have?

Again, there is no ****ing way that Kobe is winning 60+ games with Delonte and Mo Williams.

[HurricaneKid]

Bruh, Lebron can't win a single series if he was out West, he'd be going through the same shit as CP3. Believe that.

Kobe's played in the tougher conference his entire career, beat better defenses and more 50 win teams.


This is laughable.

We can say that Kobe's teams have gone through more difficult playoff matchups throughout his career.

We can also say that between pace and def points/possession, the East has been definitively more difficult to accumulate stats against.

Someone here has to have a shred of objectivity right?

[SOD 21]

It is remarkable that Kobe Bryant has six times more series wins against 50 win opponents in the playoffs.

What it really says though is how easy a path that LeBron James has had to the finals and how pathetically weak that the EC has been throughout his career, although it has really been bad ever since Michael Jordan's retirement.

Four playoff series wins in a decade shocking.

[riseagainst]

not bad, lebron has 4 playoff series wins against 50+win teams.

Edit: HOLY SH1T, didn't know Kobe has 24 wins against 50+ win teams.
:eek:

:bowdown:
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[ImKobe]

Lol, that's an insanely idiotic thing to say considering the other player was on those championship teams. You only proved him right that Kobe's never won without Shaq or Gasol

Maybe because he had either Pau or Shaq for every season of his career, except for 04-07?

And Kobe most certainly would have won a Playoff series without Gasol in 08 if Bynum doesn't get injured and the trade doesn't happen, as the Lakers were on pace to finish on top of the West before Bynum's injury.

People act like Lebron had no teammates, that he played alone in Cleveland, that he didn't have a top rebounding front court and a top defense and that he did not have decent shooters around him. Andy V and Zydrunas while healthy, put up decent numbers playing alongside Lebron(In Zyndrunas' case, a couple Pau-tier seasons). How many Playoff series has Lebron won without Wade/Bosh or Ilgauskas? I'm waiting.

And didn't Boobie Gibson drop 31 points in the biggest game of the Playoffs in Lebron's career up to that point? (Game 6 2007 ECF to clinch the series against Detroit).

Everyone needs help to win Playoff games/series. Kobe didn't have the teammates to rely on for the brief stint he didn't have Gasol or Shaq from 04-07, his players (outside of Odom) disappeared in the Playoffs, and he was playing against a 50+ win team and a 60+ win team in the first round.

[pegasus]

Last 5 offensive possessions before the Ray Allen shot.

Lebron turnover

Lebron turnover

Lebron missed 3

Lebron made 3

Lebron missed 3
Clutch!:applause:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Clutch!:applause:

Ray Allen literally saved this guys legacy, if not for Ray he'd have a single ring during a lockout season that nobody takes as seriously in the long run like the 99 champs

Those turnovers in the clutch on b2b possessions would have been remembered on some 2011 level of choke play.

[Encre92]

Ray Allen literally saved this guys legacy, if not for Ray he'd have a single ring during a lockout season that nobody takes as seriously in the long run like the 99 champs

Those turnovers in the clutch on b2b possessions would have been remembered on some 2011 level of choke play.
Shaq and Pau and Artest and Fisher and Horry and Phil saved Kobe's.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

The tradeoff, is that Bron has faced better defenses on average (via DRtg). Which of the two effects your scoring output more, I'm still not sure.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Shaq and Pau and Artest and Fisher and Horry and Phil saved Kobe's.

Without Kobe Shaq is remembered as the modern day Wilt

[SouBeachTalents]

Ray Allen literally saved this guys legacy, if not for Ray he'd have a single ring during a lockout season that nobody takes as seriously in the long run like the 99 champs

Those turnovers in the clutch on b2b possessions would have been remembered on some 2011 level of choke play.

Both those statements are incorrect. I've literally never once heard ANYBODY discredit the Spurs championship in 1999, while the Heat's 2012 gets "asterisked" frequently.

And you're crazy if you think LeBron's two TO's at the end of Game 6 would actually be on the same level as his inexplicable houdini act in the 2011 Finals.

[riseagainst]

Both those statements are incorrect. I've literally never once heard ANYBODY discredit the Spurs championship in 1999, while the Heat's 2012 gets "asterisked" frequently.

And you're crazy if you think LeBron's two TO's at the end of Game 6 would actually be on the same level as his inexplicable houdini act in the 2011 Finals.

didn't those 2 TO distance the Spurs' 2 point lead to a 6 point lead with less than a minute to go?

[TheMarkMadsen]

Both those statements are incorrect. I've literally never once heard ANYBODY discredit the Spurs championship in 1999, while the Heat's 2012 gets "asterisked" frequently.

And you're crazy if you think LeBron's two TO's at the end of Game 6 would actually be on the same level as his inexplicable houdini act in the 2011 Finals.

:biggums: :biggums:

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2011/11/04/phil-jackson-still-hammering-spurs-about-1999-asterisk-season/

http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/shaun_powell/09/16/lockout-spurs-1999-nba-title/index.html

http://projectspurs.com/2012-articles/lebron-james-says-spurs-99-title-doesnt-deserve-an-asterisk.html

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=233323

yeah..never been talked about..

[SouBeachTalents]

:biggums: :biggums:

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2011/11/04/phil-jackson-still-hammering-spurs-about-1999-asterisk-season/

http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/shaun_powell/09/16/lockout-spurs-1999-nba-title/index.html

http://projectspurs.com/2012-articles/lebron-james-says-spurs-99-title-doesnt-deserve-an-asterisk.html

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=233323

yeah..never been talked about..

Those are all related to that one Phil Jackson quote. LeBron's 2012 title is asterisked/belittled on this forum constantly, while Duncan's in 1999 almost never is

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=334473&page=4

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=310243

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=304853

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=310781

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=325124&page=2

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=340534&page=10

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=304026

Lol, you'll like the last one

[ImKobe]

Those are all related to that one Phil Jackson quote. LeBron's 2012 title is asterisked/belittled on this forum constantly, while Duncan's in 1999 almost never is

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=334473&page=4

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=310243

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=304853

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=310781

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=325124&page=2

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=340534&page=10

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=304026

Lol, you'll like the last one


And the team they faced in the Finals were missing it's best player and they barely had an over .500 record :oldlol: :oldlol:

[SouBeachTalents]

And the team they faced in the Finals were missing it's best player and they barely had an over .500 record :oldlol: :oldlol:

Imo Duncan's '99 is MUCH more worthy of an asterisk than LeBron's. His was in an even shorter season, literally right between the Jordan and Shaq/Kobe dynasties, and as you said, he beat an EIGHTH seeded team missing their best player.

[stalkerforlife]

Lebron stans got wasted in this thread worse than a Lindsay Lohan binger.

[dubeta]

Kobe stans using gasol and Shaqs greatness to prop up kobe :oldlol:

Without them Kobe was basically a Kevin Love


Average good stats just to make the lottery or quit in the 1st round
:lol

[Hey Yo]

Ray Allen literally saved this guys legacy, if not for Ray he'd have a single ring during a lockout season that nobody takes as seriously in the long run like the 99 champs

Those turnovers in the clutch on b2b possessions would have been remembered on some 2011 level of choke play.
Does that mean since Kobe only played 66 reg. season games for his first ring and 68 games for his second, nobody should take those serious?

How many reg. season games does a player have to play in order for his title to be legit that season?

[ImKobe]

Does that mean since Kobe only played 66 reg. season games for his first ring and 68 games for his second, nobody should take those serious?

How many reg. season games does a player have to play in order for his title to be legit that season?

Facing an 8th-seeded Knicks(with Ewing injured) puts a huge asterisk on the '99 title IMO.

[Hey Yo]

Facing an 8th-seeded Knicks(with Ewing injured) puts a huge asterisk on the '99 title IMO.
But he's saying the Heat's 2012 shortened season title shouldn't be taken serious cause they only played 66 games.

That's why I posted what I did.

[ImKobe]

But he's saying the Heat's 2012 shortened season title shouldn't be taken serious cause they only played 66 games.

That's why I posted what I did.

My bad

I don't think it's an asterisk title personally, as the level of competition they faced in the Playoffs was legitimate enough, though the Bulls and the Magic lost their best player, but James proved himself in the Indiana and Boston series.