View Full Version : Best to Worst NBA Franchises Historically.
Real14
08-24-2014, 02:33 AM
1. Boston
2. Lakers
3. Chicago
4. Spurs
5. Pistons
6. Warriors
7. Knicks
8. Sixers
9. Rockets
10. Blazers
11. Sonics
12. Washington
13. Mavs
14. Hawks
15. Bucks
16. Heat
17. Jazz
18. Suns
19. Magic
20. Nets
21. Pacers
22. Cavs
23. Okc
24. Kings
25. Denver
26. Grizzlies
27. Twolves
28. Hornets
29. Clippers
30. New Orleans
31. Toronto
32. Bobcats
If you think that I'm incorrect on this then put your "so called" accurate list yourself. Thank you for your time.
Fudge
08-24-2014, 02:34 AM
Franchices
JohnFreeman
08-24-2014, 02:34 AM
Knicks better then the Heat?
Real14
08-24-2014, 02:37 AM
Knicks better then the Heat?
Yes because heat have asterisks for rings.
Real14
08-24-2014, 02:39 AM
Franchices
My mistake I was typing too damn fast.
ImKobe
08-24-2014, 02:43 AM
Lakers > Celtics for the last 20 years.
Real14
08-24-2014, 02:45 AM
Lakers > Celtics for the last 20 years.
Yes that's true.
Lakers > Celtics for the last 20 years.
We're not talking about a cut off period here though, we're talking all of history
ImKobe
08-24-2014, 02:52 AM
We're not talking about a cut off period here though, we're talking all of history
For most of us here, the Russell Celtics are way before our time, it's hard to judge.
PerfectCell
08-24-2014, 02:53 AM
You having Dubs at 6 I'm assuming you including the previous names of the same franchise. Then why are you splitting up Seattle and Okc?
J Shuttlesworth
08-24-2014, 02:56 AM
Knicks better than the Heat?
http://i.imgur.com/xrU4X.gif
Real14
08-24-2014, 02:57 AM
You having Dubs at 6 I'm assuming you including the previous names of the same franchise. Then why are you splitting up Seattle and Okc?
Okc and seattle are actually different franchises though.
JohnFreeman
08-24-2014, 02:57 AM
Celtics > Lakers
For most of us here, the Russell Celtics are way before our time, it's hard to judge.
That's fair enough, but studying history is all about working with the information and sources we have. Does it make for an inaccurate form at times? Sure. But it doesn't mean we ignore it. The good thing is extending the history to the Celtics historic 60's run doesn't hurt the Lakers too much either :cheers: far and away the league's two best franchises
outbreak
08-24-2014, 03:06 AM
if heat are at 16 knicks need to be at 17....
JohnFreeman
08-24-2014, 03:08 AM
Reason for Knicks being top 10? Don't give me mecca of basketball bullshit
Real14
08-24-2014, 03:09 AM
if heat are at 16 knicks need to be at 17....
Nope. Heat are the only team in NBA history to all have asterisks for titles. They deserved none of them.
Real14
08-24-2014, 03:11 AM
Reason for Knicks being top 10? Don't give me mecca of basketball bullshit
:biggums:
shadow
08-24-2014, 03:13 AM
i am biased here but imo the lakers have had a greater period of sustained excellence compared to the celtics. Boston won most of their rings during Russell's era and only one in recent history.
Smook A.
08-24-2014, 03:19 AM
Why did you separate OKC and Seattle when they're the same franchise?
ImKobe
08-24-2014, 03:22 AM
Reason for Knicks being top 10? Don't give me mecca of basketball bullshit
Maybe because they have 2 championships and 8 Conference titles and are the highest valued franchise in the NBA, set in the biggest market?
Houston has 2 championships and 4 Conference titles.
J Shuttlesworth
08-24-2014, 03:22 AM
Rockets = 2 chips / 43 years
Knicks = 2 chips / 68 years
2/43 > 2/68
J Shuttlesworth
08-24-2014, 03:23 AM
Maybe because they have 2 championships and 8 Conference titles and are the highest valued franchise in the NBA, set in the biggest market?
Houston has 2 championships and 4 Conference titles.
So the Knicks have a losing finals record and the Rockets don't? 2/4 > 2/8
How come conference titles only count as a good thing when we're not talking about LeBron? :lol
ImKobe
08-24-2014, 03:23 AM
Kings should be ahead of the Cavs because they actually have a championship to their name with the same amount of conference titles (1)
ImKobe
08-24-2014, 03:24 AM
Rockets = 2 chips / 43 years
Knicks = 2 chips / 68 years
2/43 > 2/68
8 conference titles/68 yrs vs 4 conference titles/43 yrs
8/68 > 4/43
J Shuttlesworth
08-24-2014, 03:25 AM
8 conference titles/68 yrs vs 4 conference titles/43 yrs
8/68 > 4/43
8 conference finals and only 2 chips = losing finals record
ImKobe
08-24-2014, 03:28 AM
8 conference finals and only 2 chips = losing finals record
So, not making the Finals is better than making the Finals? :oldlol:
ninephive
08-24-2014, 03:30 AM
How in the world are the Spurs not above the Bulls? The Bulls had one great run and outside of that have been a terrible/mediocre franchise. The Spurs have missed the playoffs like 3 times in their entire history.
ImKobe
08-24-2014, 03:31 AM
How in the world are the Spurs not above the Bulls? The Bulls had one great run and outside of that have been a terrible/mediocre franchise. The Spurs have missed the playoffs like 3 times in their entire history.
Spurs have 5 titles in 6 Finals, Bulls have 6. Both teams only had one true great era. Spurs have the Duncan/Pop era, Bulls had the Phil/Jordan era.
J Shuttlesworth
08-24-2014, 03:32 AM
So, not making the Finals is better than making the Finals? :oldlol:
I'm just using the logic of the Kobe fanbase honestly. Why do you think 2/5 is such a big catch phrase around here?
TheMilkyBarKid
08-24-2014, 03:32 AM
For most of us here, the Russell Celtics are way before our time, it's hard to judge.
So was Hitler, but there's still a lot of useful info on him, especially if you know where to look.
Fair enough if you reserve judgement, I just have a lot of respect for the Celtics.
J Shuttlesworth
08-24-2014, 03:33 AM
Spurs have 5 titles in 6 Finals, Bulls have 6. Both teams only had one true great era. Spurs have the Duncan/Pop era, Bulls had the Phil/Jordan era.
Plus the Bulls were able to defender their title twice... and then do that all again. True mark of a dynasty
ImKobe
08-24-2014, 03:35 AM
So was Hitler, but there's still a lot of useful info on him, especially if you know where to look.
Fair enough if you reserve judgement, I just have a lot of respect for the Celtics.
Worst possible example. Hitler is probably the most infamous person in all of history while Russell was just a basketball player from a different era.:lol How much footage do we have from that basketball era? How evolved was the game back then? How good was their competition? All these things come into consideration.
TheMilkyBarKid
08-24-2014, 04:00 AM
Worst possible example. Hitler is probably the most infamous person in all of history while Russell was just a basketball player from a different era.:lol How much footage do we have from that basketball era? How evolved was the game back then? How good was their competition? All these things come into consideration.
I think you missed the point, I was saying Hitler was before our time yet we can still examine and discuss what he did.
Not Russell = Nazi.
Yes the game is indeed different to what it is today, but basketball like some other sports (Aussie football for example) is constantly evolving and therefore it is hard to say what is any more/less valid.
ImKobe
08-24-2014, 04:08 AM
I think you missed the point, I was saying Hitler was before our time yet we can still examine and discuss what he did.
Not Russell = Nazi.
Yes the game is indeed different to what it is today, but basketball like some other sports (Aussie football for example) is constantly evolving and therefore it is hard to say what is any more/less valid.
Hitler is far more covered and studied than Bill Russell. You're talking about a leader of one of the biggest nations vs some athlete from an era where Basketball was not even that popular. We probably have more footage of Hitler from the 40s than Russell's NBA games.
Two different circumstances.
JohnFreeman
08-24-2014, 04:12 AM
I'm just using the logic of the Kobe fanbase honestly. Why do you think 2/5 is such a big catch phrase around here?
damn
ImKobe
08-24-2014, 04:31 AM
I'm just using the logic of the Kobe fanbase honestly. Why do you think 2/5 is such a big catch phrase around here?
Because Lebron has a losing record in the Finals, despite having Wade and Bosh for 4 out of 5 Finals series. 2/4 with Wade and Bosh :facepalm, and making the Finals in the East in this era is a joke anyways.
J Shuttlesworth
08-24-2014, 04:34 AM
Because Lebron has a losing record in the Finals, despite having Wade and Bosh for 4 out of 5 Finals series. 2/4 with Wade and Bosh :facepalm, and making the Finals in the East in this era is a joke anyways.
So why do the Knicks, who are in the "mecca of basketball", get excuses for losing in the finals? 2/4 > 2/8 right? Rockets > Knicks?
Knicks are also in the shitty east and can't even make the playoffs despite having a superstar
ImKobe
08-24-2014, 04:41 AM
So why do the Knicks, who are in the "mecca of basketball", get excuses for losing in the finals? 2/4 > 2/8 right? Rockets > Knicks?
Knicks are also in the shitty east and can't even make the playoffs despite having a superstar
When comparing franchises, Finals record is not the end argument. You have to realize that the Knicks are the most valuable franchise in the NBA. It matters when you compare franchises.
J Shuttlesworth
08-24-2014, 04:44 AM
When comparing franchises, Finals record is not the end argument. You have to realize that the Knicks are the most valuable franchise in the NBA. It matters when you compare franchises.
lol this is just horseshit. You could also say LeBron is the most valuable player in the NBA. I'd say the fact that the Knicks are in the most famous city in the US and have failed to win a ring in the last 40 years should count against them, especially with that losing finals record. Are you saying finals record is the end all for players? If so, where do you rank Jerry West?
ImKobe
08-24-2014, 04:57 AM
lol this is just horseshit. You could also say LeBron is the most valuable player in the NBA. I'd say the fact that the Knicks are in the most famous city in the US and have failed to win a ring in the last 40 years should count against them, especially with that losing finals record. Are you saying finals record is the end all for players? If so, where do you rank Jerry West?
THAT'S NOT WHAT IM SAYING. A player's Finals record is not comparable to a Finals record of a franchise when making comparisons. Houston has made less NBA Finals than the Knicks (twice as less).
By your logic, missing the Playoffs would be better than not making the Finals. In some context, it might actually be true if the team that made the Finals played in a Conference that was so much worse than the other Conference.
07 Cavs only faced one team with a record over .500 when going to the Finals, and that team had replaced Ben Wallace with an old Chris Webber. While Kobe in the 1st round faced a team with a better record than any team Lebron faced in the Playoffs that year (Phoenix winning 61 games vs Detroit winning 53, Spurs winning 58) and a team that took the defending champs to 6 games and should have even won the series if it weren't for a few bad calls and Nash being injured in a close game, Amare getting suspended.
CONTEXT is everything.
SexSymbol
08-24-2014, 06:12 AM
1. Lakers
2. Boston
3. Bulls
4. Spurs
5. Heat
6. Pistons
7. 76ers
8. Rockets
9. Sonics/OKC
10. Mavs
DaSeba5
08-24-2014, 01:46 PM
The Heat are not even in the top 15? That's a joke, right? And the Knicks above them? :roll:
Legends66NBA7
08-24-2014, 01:52 PM
Had to re-do the list. Not sure if it's completely accurate, but I it's about right...
1. Los Angeles Lakers (or Boston)
2. Boston Celtics (or Lakers)
3. San Antonio Spurs
4. Chicago Bulls
5. Philadelphia 76ers
6. Detroit Pistons
7. Miami Heat
8. Houston Rockets
9. Golden State Warriors
10. New York Knicks
11. Oklahoma City Thunder
12. Portland Trail Blazers
13. Dallas Mavericks
14. Utah Jazz
15. Phoenix Suns
16. Milwaukee Bucks
17. Atlanta Hawks
18. Washington Wizards
19. Sacramento Kings
20. Orlando Magic
21. Indiana Pacers
22. Brooklyn Nets
23. Cleveland Cavaliers
24. Denver Nuggets
25. Memphis Grizzlies
26. Los Angeles Clippers
27. New Orleans Pelicans (formerly the original Hornets)
28. Minnesota Timberwolves
29. Toronto Raptors
30. Charlotte Hornets (formerly the Bobcats)
robert_shaww
08-24-2014, 02:00 PM
1. Lakers
2. Boston
3. Bulls
4. Spurs
5. Heat
6. Pistons
7. 76ers
8. Rockets
9. Sonics/OKC
10. Mavs
:facepalm
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