Lebron is not even a top 15 player all-time

[onhcetum]

Lebron James almost fooled us with his heart-felt "coming home" letter and other "small home town kid" epithets. But anyone with half a brain can see through the smokes and mirrors.

The fact of the matter is that Lebron knew all along about bringing Kevin Love over from Minnesota. That's why in his letter, he didn't mention Andrew Wiggins or Anthony Bennet.

So much for... "it won't be easy" and his patience being "tested".

LeJourneyMan:

LeJourneyMan is the only superstar player in NBA history to have switched teams twice before turning 30. Jerry West, Russell, Magic, Bird, Duncan, Robinson, Kobe, Pierce, Jordan, Malone, Stockton, Hakeem, Ewing, Reggie Miller, Allen Iverson, KG, Gary Payton, Isaiah Thomas, and Dirk all played for one team (until their twilight years).

They all went through droughts and rebuilding with their teams and stuck with them.

Lebron couldn't win a title on his own, so he had to team up with his superstar friends to win a title. Then, when he got spanked by the Spurs, he wanted to recruit Carmelo Anthony to create Team USA Lite. Lebron wants a guaranteed title every year.

When those plans fell through, he bolted and left Wade and Bosh (after they turned 30+ years old) to team up with two more superstars in Kyrie and Kevin Love (22 years old and 26 years old respectively), both coming off career seasons and with multiple All-Star appearances.

LeRolePlayer:

LeRolePlayer almost fooled us into thinking that his return to Cleveland was unconditional.

He orchestrated bringing Kevin Love over, brought over his team of 40%+ three point shooters from Miami, and then today, he brought over Shawn Marion, the guy who locked him up in 2011. Let the stacking begin...

LeRolePlayer needs to be surrounded with specialists and superstars in order to win a title. He needs all of these "specialists" on his team, so he can be regulated to playing a "role", which is why I'm now calling him a role player. Kobe or Duncan didn't need that. You gave them the ball, and you got out the way.

Lebron still hasn't won a title on his own. Right now, I have Dirk ahead of him in the all-time rankings.

[stalkerforlife]

Agreed.

[SouBeachTalents]

Name 15 better

[SouBeachTalents]

And people really need to stop saying Chris Bosh is/was a superstar

[Droid101]

True.

[RRR3]

:facepalm

[LAZERUSS]

Please provide us with your top-15 list...

[Cocaine80s]

Lebron is #10 all time :applause:

[Rodmantheman]

one of these threads again:rolleyes:

[Kblaze8855]

These ridiculous topics would have at least a little merit if any of you ever mentioned basketball in your reasoning.

300 words in defense of a point about where a basketball player ranks without mentioning a single basketball skill or anything that happened on a court.

Usually a good sign the point isnt valid.

[onhcetum]

Please provide us with your top-15 list...

There's 12 guys that I have "for sure" ahead of him. And then, he's bunched up with 10-12 other guys. In my eyes, he still has no rings, so he's in there with the David Robinsons, Charles Barkleys, Patrick Ewings, Reggie Millers, Scottie Pippen, KGs, Drexlers, Paul Pierces, Allen Iversons, Gary Paytons...

[Rodmantheman]

These ridiculous topics would have at least a little merit if any of you ever mentioned basketball in your reasoning.

300 words in defense of a point about where a basketball player ranks without mentioning a single basketball skill or anything that happened on a court.

Usually a good sign the point isnt valid.

:applause:

[JT123]

Name 15 better
:facepalm Why do you always respond to obvious troll threads as if the poster wants to have an intelligent basketball discussion?

[SouBeachTalents]

These ridiculous topics would have at least a little merit if any of you ever mentioned basketball in your reasoning.

300 words in defense of a point about where a basketball player ranks without mentioning a single basketball skill or anything that happened on a court.

Usually a good sign the point isnt valid.

:applause: :cheers:

[dubeta]

Kobe's minimum 6 spots behind lebron so does that mean kobe is locked out of top 20?

[red1]

These ridiculous topics would have at least a little merit if any of you ever mentioned basketball in your reasoning.

300 words in defense of a point about where a basketball player ranks without mentioning a single basketball skill or anything that happened on a court.

Usually a good sign the point isnt valid.
great post as always. I would like to add that the OP is a blatant practicing homosexual

[SouBeachTalents]

There's 12 guys that I have "for sure" ahead of him. And then, he's bunched up with 10-12 other guys. In my eyes, he still has no rings, so he's in there with the David Robinsons, Charles Barkleys, Patrick Ewings, Reggie Millers, Scottie Pippen, KGs, Drexlers, Paul Pierces, Allen Iversons, Gary Paytons...

What's your argument for Reggie Miller being ahead of LeBron

[RRR3]

What's your argument for Reggie Miller being ahead of LeBron
He doesn't like LeBron. That's his argument :oldlol:

Just as it is for the other idiots

[masonanddixon]

I have him top 50 so far, definitely outside the top 30 or so.

[onhcetum]

These ridiculous topics would have at least a little merit if any of you ever mentioned basketball in your reasoning.

300 words in defense of a point about where a basketball player ranks without mentioning a single basketball skill or anything that happened on a court.

Usually a good sign the point isnt valid.

From another post...



I'm sorry but I can't put Lebron any where near the top 15 in the all-time rankings, much less in the conversations with Kobe, Hakeem, Duncan, Magic, Shaq, and Bird. The "Chosen One" has turned into the "Frozen One" too many times.

2011 NBA Finals: He robbed Wade of his second final's MVP. No "superstar" in NBA history has ever sabotaged his teams chances like Lebron did. It's not like he had one terrible quarter or a few bad games. He disappeared the entire series. Bosh and Wade both scored more than Lebron.

2013 NBA Finals: In the closing minutes of Game 6, Lebron had three turnovers and two bricks. If not for Ray Allen's miracle shot, Lebron would have gone down as the biggest goat, not GOAT, in NBA history. Ray Allen saved Lebron's legacy.

2014 NBA Finals: He cramped up in Game 1. How come he was the only one that cramped up? Did he forget to stretch or drink water? That's his responsibility. Last time I checked, everyone else finished the game fine... even the guys that are a few years away from retirement homes...

In Game 5, he sat out the remaining 8 or 9 minutes of the game... when Miami was only down 11 points... Heck, Michael Beasley showed that he wanted it more than Lebron. I don't care if you lose or win the series. All of the great ones have lost... (even Jordan got swept), but they go down swinging.

Leastern Conference: Not to mention Lebron plays in the Leastern Conferences. He's playing the likes of the Milwaukee, Philadelphia, and Charlotte in the first round, while teams are playing the Blazers, Warriors, and Grizzlies as first round opponents. Their biggest in-conference rivals have been the Indiana Pretenders, who's offense is to watch Lance or Paul George go iso.

Let's not forget that Lebron still hasn't won a ring without his superstar friends. Let's not forget that he was trying to recruit Carmelo to join him... How much help does this guy need?


He was regulated to the third fiddle in 2011, having been outscored by both Bosh and Wade. He's cost his teams two titles, almost three...

I've given him a pass for 2007 and for every year after 2006, and yet, his stans are calling for yet ANOTHER FINALS pass? I'm sorry, but I'm grading him on the all-time GREATS scale. If you want me to sing his praises, then I guess we both agree he's in the same category as the Mitch Richmonds, Alex Englishs, Vince Carters, and George Gervins. Then, I won't have to be so hard on him.

[Kblaze8855]

Reggie Miller...

I wonder if the people who cosign bullshit like this are actually stupid enough to believe it or just nod in agreement no matter what point is made against the guy they hate....

Well I dont wonder. Its fairly obvious. But I like to explain my thought process in a verbose and slightly insulting manner.

[LAZERUSS]

There's 12 guys that I have "for sure" ahead of him. And then, he's bunched up with 10-12 other guys. In my eyes, he still has no rings, so he's in there with the David Robinsons, Charles Barkleys, Patrick Ewings, Reggie Millers, Scottie Pippen, KGs, Drexlers, Paul Pierces, Allen Iversons, Gary Paytons...

Those 10 players have a combined four MVPs....or the same as Lebron has by himself.

[red1]

OP is a blackbelt in homosexuality

[GODbe]

Name 15 better
1. Godbe Bryant
2. Kareem
3. Magic
4. O'neal
5. Bird
6. Wilt
7. Duncan
8. Russell
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Moses Malone
11. Oscar Robinson
12. Kevin Garnett
13. Scottie Pippen
14. Julius Erving
15. Jerry West

and I can name 29 more:confusedshrug: .

[Kblaze8855]

Once I saw Reggie Millers name I mentally scratched you off the list of people to take serious. Doesnt mean you are stupid...but it does mean you are unreasonable. And I dont need a long unreasonable discussion right now. i'll say this...

History wont agree and there is nothing you can do about it.

But feel free to ice skate up that hill...

You arent doing anything wrong exactly. You are wrong...but you arent being a dick or anything so...ill show myself out and let you get whatever enjoyment out of this you get.

[Rodmantheman]

This

[SouBeachTalents]

1. Godbe Bryant
2. Kareem
3. Magic
4. O'neal
5. Bird
6. Wilt
7. Duncan
8. Russell
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Moses Malone
11. Oscar Robinson
12. Kevin Garnett
13. Scottie Pippen
14. Julius Erving
15. Jerry West

and I can name 29 more:confusedshrug: .

Go ahead

[Rodmantheman]

thread

[Rodmantheman]

is

[GODbe]

Go ahead
16. Michael Jordan
17. Karl Malone
18. Isaiah Thomas
19. Charles Barkley
20. David Robinson
21. Kevin McHale
22. Reggie Miller
23. James Worthy
24. Dwyane Wade
25. Bobb Pettit
26. John Havlicek
27. Rick Barry
28. Elvin Hayes
29. Bob Cousy
30. Jason Kidd
31. Carmelo Anthony
32. Kevin Durant
33. Allen Iverson
34. Patrick Ewing
35. Clyde Drexler
36. Steve Nash
37. Sam Jones
38. Dwight Howard
39. Chris Mullin
40. Grant Hill
41. Paul Pierce
42. Rajon Rondo
43. Vince Carter
44. Pau Gasol

[Rodmantheman]

stupid

[Rodmantheman]

16. Michael Jordan
17. Karl Malone
18. Isaiah Thomas
19. Charles Barkeley
20. David Robinson
21. Kevin McHale
22. Reggie Miller
23. James Worthy
24. Dwyane Wade
25. Bobb Pettit
26. John Havlicek
27. Rick Barry
28. Elvin Hayes
29. Bob Cousy
30. Jason Kidd
31. Carmelo Anthony
32. Kevin Durant
33. Allen Iverson
34. Patrick Ewing
35. Clyde Drexler
36. Steve Nash
37. Sam Jones
38. Dwight Howard
39. Chris Mullin
40. Grant Hill
41. Paul Pierce
42. Rajon Rondo
43. Vince Carter
44. Pau Gasol

name more please.

[onhcetum]

What's your argument for Reggie Miller being ahead of LeBron

For one, he isn't a mental midget and doesn't fold under pressure. Two, he's played with the same team his entire career. How many titles does he win had he joined the Bulls when he was 25 years old?

He's also a better shooting than Lebron. Has Reggie Miller EVER been regulated to a third fiddle in his prime? Has he ever disappeared in an entire series?

[SOD 21]

Lebron James is one of my least favorite players in the NBA, so let me get that out of the way first.

With that said, someone would have to be a fool and blind to suggest that he's not a top 15 player all-time. He is top two in PER all-time, only two players have more MVP awards than he does, and he's a unique talent who is likely unparalled with his combination of size, athleticism, ball handling skills with great vision and a remarkable skill set.

On top of all that, he's only 30 years old and his new team is going to be completely stacked and easily competing for titles for the next 4-5 years, assuming that everyone stays together and healthy. His Cavs may have the best starting five in the NBA.

[SouBeachTalents]

For one, he isn't a mental midget and doesn't fold under pressure. Two, he's played with the same team his entire career. How many titles does he win had he joined the Bulls when he was 25 years old?

He's also a better shooting than Lebron. Has Reggie Miller EVER been regulated to a third fiddle in his prime? Has he ever disappeared in an entire series?

How many MVP's/Finals MVP's would he have won?

[red1]

For one, he isn't a mental midget and doesn't fold under pressure. Two, he's played with the same team his entire career. How many titles does he win had he joined the Bulls when he was 25 years old?

He's also a better shooting than Lebron. Has Reggie Miller EVER been regulated to a third fiddle in his prime? Has he ever disappeared in an entire series?
done smoked one too many cracks for your own good boy

[LAZERUSS]

Well, if you throw out his rings, MVPs, FMVPs, scoring titles, playoff scoring, eFG% effciency, PER, and playoff "must win" scoring games (hint: he is #1 all-time)...

then sure, he is not a Top-15 player.

[onhcetum]

Those 10 players have a combined four MVPs....or the same as Lebron has by himself.

In a weak era when Duncan, KG, Dirk, Kobe, Nash, and Kidd are old or have retired... I doubt he'd have 4 MVP's with Hakeem, Robinson, Jordan, Magic, Bird, Ewing, Kareem, and Ewing in the league...

His biggest rivals have been Derrick Rose and Paul George... Derrick Rose hasn't seen the court in almost three seasons, and Paul George and his rest of the Indiana Pacers are mental midgets.

So yes, he's better than his competition.

[RRR3]

OP we all know you don't believe any of this shit you're spewing. In other words you're just begging for attention (and you're getting it so congrats! :applause: )

[GODbe]

Well, if you throw out his rings, MVPs, FMVPs, scoring titles, playoff scoring, eFG% effciency, PER, and playoff "must win" scoring games (hint: he is #1 all-time)...

then sure, he is not a Top-15 player.
How about when you factor in:

1. Ring : Asterisk ratio
2. Putting forth 2 of the biggest NBA finals chokejobs in NBA history, and some of the worst finals stats ever
3. Being on one of the most stacked teams of all time and still having a losing record in the NBA finals
4. getting outplayed by pretty much the entire bench in a finals series, on several occasions
5. becoming a useless player when guarded by fat guys
http://oi60.tinypic.com/21e4tqb.jpg

etc?

[onhcetum]

In a weak era when Duncan, KG, Dirk, Kobe, Nash, and Kidd are old or have retired... I doubt he'd have 4 MVP's with Hakeem, Robinson, Jordan, Magic, Bird, Ewing, Kareem, and Ewing in the league...

His biggest rivals have been Derrick Rose and Paul George... Derrick Rose hasn't seen the court in almost three seasons, and Paul George and his rest of the Indiana Pacers are mental midgets.

So yes, he's better than his competition.

Oh I forgot to add Wade, but he joined teams with him. We were robbed of Wade vs. Lebron show downs in the playoffs and Christmas afternoon matchups.

[red1]

How about when you factor in:

1. Ring : Asterisk ratio
2. Putting forth 2 of the biggest NBA finals chokejobs in NBA history, and some of the worst finals stats ever
3. Being on one of the most stacked teams of all time and still having a losing record in the NBA finals
4. getting outplayed by pretty much the entire bench in a finals series, on several occasions
5. becoming a useless player when guarded by fat guys
http://oi60.tinypic.com/21e4tqb.jpg

etc?
Cmon bro :lol . Reaching pretty hard on all of these.

[onhcetum]

Once I saw Reggie Millers name I mentally scratched you off the list of people to take serious. Doesnt mean you are stupid...but it does mean you are unreasonable. And I dont need a long unreasonable discussion right now. i'll say this...

History wont agree and there is nothing you can do about it.

But feel free to ice skate up that hill...

You arent doing anything wrong exactly. You are wrong...but you arent being a dick or anything so...ill show myself out and let you get whatever enjoyment out of this you get.

So, I'll give you a chance. What's your defense of Lebron on the following...

- teaming up with Wade and Bosh, and then leaving them, for two more superstars
- 2011 NBA Finals
- 2013 NBA Finals Game 6 (three turnovers and two bricks)... seriously, can you imagine his legacy had Miami lost?
- 2014 NBA Finals Game 1... only guy that cramped up... Miami was up 8 and on there way to victory... Miami could have been up 0-2 headed into Miami...
- 2014 NBA Finals Game 5... checked out of the game when it was still in reach
- then trying to recruit Carmelo Anthony... HOW MUCH HELP DOES HE NEED?

[pauk]

Lebron still hasn't won a title on his own.

Great, another dreadful poster weeping about Lebrons success, but i have to still ask, what does this above even mean and can you maybe even give an example on that player who did "win a title on his own"?

[Straight_Ballin]

Go ahead

The typical response to his post would have been "what about MJ"

You just got ether'd so bad.....

[poido123]

Depends how you grade a guy?

How much weight do you put in failures? In winning?

How strong is the competition? How many hall of famers in their era/conference?

how much credit do you place in pure talent? What has that player done with it?


While a lot of people here give credit to lebron on all time lists on talent alone, some people may knock him back a lot because of his failings/competition/super teams/chokes.

I currently have lebron at number 10 all time behind;

1. MJ
2. Kareem
3. Russell
4. Wilt
5. Shaq
6. Bird
7. Magic
8. Duncan
9. Kobe

[RRR3]

Even a LeBron hater like poido has him top 10 all time.


/thread

[Kingwillball]

1. Godbe Bryant
2. Kareem
3. Magic
4. O'neal
5. Bird
6. Wilt
7. Duncan
8. Russell
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Moses Malone
11. Oscar Robinson
12. Kevin Garnett
13. Scottie Pippen
14. Julius Erving
15. Jerry West

and I can name 29 more:confusedshrug: .

Fact there is NO MJ on your lists once again confirms your ultimate troll status.. Also Kobe is not even Sniffing top 10 let alone 1.

[dubeta]

LeBron is top 5 all time

Anyone who disagrees isnt worth arguing with

[Beastmode88]

LeBron is top 5 all time

Anyone who disagrees isnt worth arguing with

So what makes Lebrom top 5?

[Smoke117]

Am I the only sane person that realizes that Lebron is so great that he can have so many haters like this nobody and his thread? Jesus christ the haters are pathetic.

[pauk]

I wonder if the people who cosign bullshit like this are actually stupid enough to believe it or just nod in agreement no matter what point is made against the guy they hate....

Well I dont wonder. Its fairly obvious.

Quote of the day.

[Beastmode88]

Quote of the day.

Be careful Pauk he used the work if.

[JUDGE WITNESS]

i guess shaq isnt top 10 cus he was a lazy fatass?

[JohnFreeman]

These ridiculous topics would have at least a little merit if any of you ever mentioned basketball in your reasoning.

300 words in defense of a point about where a basketball player ranks without mentioning a single basketball skill or anything that happened on a court.

Usually a good sign the point isnt valid.
:applause:

[HOoopCityJones]

:applause:
God, shut the hell up for once.


Bron Top 10 doe.

[onhcetum]

Depends how you grade a guy?

How much weight do you put in failures? In winning?

How strong is the competition? How many hall of famers in their era/conference?

how much credit do you place in pure talent? What has that player done with it?


While a lot of people here give credit to lebron on all time lists on talent alone, some people may knock him back a lot because of his failings/competition/super teams/chokes.

I currently have lebron at number 10 all time behind;

1. MJ
2. Kareem
3. Russell
4. Wilt
5. Shaq
6. Bird
7. Magic
8. Duncan
9. Kobe

When you

[HurricaneKid]

11. Oscar Robinson


:biggums: :biggums:

I mean c'mon.

[riseagainst]

1. Godbe Bryant
2. Kareem
3. Magic
4. O'neal
5. Bird
6. Wilt
7. Duncan
8. Russell
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Moses Malone
11. Oscar Robinson
12. Kevin Garnett
13. Scottie Pippen
14. Julius Erving
15. Jerry West

and I can name 29 more:confusedshrug: .


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[Paul George 24]

he is not top3,top5,top10,top15,top20 player of all time

[SouBeachTalents]

he is not top3,top5,top10,top15,top20 player of all time

Name 20 better