Should Robert Horry be a HallOfFamer?

[Booz Vivic]

7 Championship, one of the clutchest player ever, but was always a role player.

[mattvNJ]

Worse have made it in. Plus he played a pivotal role player role on all of those chips. Stellar D, clutch. I mean I could potentially see it happen.

[L.Kizzle]

No because better role players like Cooper and Ced Maxwell have not made it.

[lakerfreak]

Absolutely not.

Yes he was important, he's done bigger things than many, but that's not enough to place someone in the hall of fame. And that goes for fisher too.

This has been discussed so many times that it's shocking. At this point, it should be easy to distinguish a hall of famer from the rest.

[kennethgriffin]

No because better role players like Cooper and Ced Maxwell have not made it.
also mark aguire, tom chambers, kevin johnson, bob love, jo jo white, Marques Johnson, lou hudson, spencer haywood, walter davis, bob dandridge

and many many more are not in the hall of fame..

how the **** is horry gonna make it and not them ? lol

[T_L_P]

Moncrief hasn't made it either, right? :facepalm

[MavsSuperFan]

no, role players arent HOF level.

whats next steve kerr in the HOF?

[smoovegittar]

No, but he should get some appreciation.

[jzek]

At least one All Star appearance is required if you played in the NBA. Horry is a role-player and was never good enough to be an All Star.

[GrapeApe]

This has been discussed ad nauseum and it's generally agreed upon that he's not a HOFer. If he had a standout college career with a national championship or an Olympic gold medal then he might have a case.

[senelcoolidge]

HELL NO! There are already enough guys that probably shouldn't be in the HoF. But the day that they start allowing role players into the Hall I'm done..that HoF is illegitimate.

[G.O.A.T]

Based on the precedent set, I think he'll make it, but I understand why a lot of people don't think he should.

If he does get in, obviosuly, it comes down to the winning. The "Celtic rule" as I call it, because it all started with the Russell Celtics.

Here's Horry's "contributions to Champions" resume

1994: 32 mpg; fourth best player
1995: 35 mpg; third best player
2000: 24 mpg; fifth best player
2001: 22 mpg; sixth best player
2002: 31 mpg; third best player
2005: 22 mpg; fifth best player
2007: 18 mpg; seventh best player


The only player with seven rings or more not in the Hall is Jim Loscutoff, a bruising power forward for the Celtics first seven title teams and a starter for about two seasons worth of games.

His role on title teams is as follows:

1957: 32 mpg; fifth best player (career year)
1959: 26 mpg; sixth best player
1960: played in 28 games, missed playoffs
1961: 14 mpg; ninth best player
1962: 15 mpg; eighth best player
1963: 8 mpg; tenth best player
1964: 8 mpg; tenth best player

comparing with others (with 5-8 rings) whose HOF fate lies in the "Celtic rule" realm...

Ramsey - In HOF
1957: 23 mpg; sixth best player
1959: 28 mpg; fifth best player (led team in scoring during playoffs)
1960: 31 mpg; fourth best player
1961: 28 mpg; fourth best player
1962: 22 mpg; seventh best player
1963: 20 mpg; eighth best player
1964: 15 mpg; eight best player

Cooper - Not in
1980: 26 mpg; sixth best player
1982: 29 mpg; sixth best player
1985: 27 mpg; fifth best player
1987: 28 mpg; fifth best player
1988: 26 mpg; seventh best player

Nelson - Not in as player
1966: 22 mpg; seventh best player
1968: 22 mpg; sixth best player
1969: 21 mpg; sixth best player
1974: 23 mpg; sixth best player
1976: 15 mpg; sixth best player

KC Jones - In HOF
1959: 11 mpg; ninth best player
1960: 15 mpg; eighth best player
1961: 18 mpg; eighth best player
1962: 25 mpg; sixth best player
1963: 23 mpg; seventh best player
1964: 30 mpg; fifth best player
1965: 32 mpg; fourth best player
1966: 33 mpg; fifth best player

Heinsohn - In HOF
1957: 33 mpg; fourth best player (leading scorer in playoffs)
1959: 32 mpg; fourth best player
1960: 33 mpg; third best player (leading scorer in playoffs)
1961: 30 mpg; third best player (leading scorer in playoffs)
1962: 31 mpg; third best player
1963: 29 mpg; third best player (leading scorer in playoffs)
1964: 28 mpg; fourth best player
1965: 25 mpg; sixth best player


Only Heinsohn has a better resume in that regard. It seems that Horry would be a likely inductee when you consider the KC Jones and Ramsey comparisons. Both are in without better stats or resumes and neither played as big a role on their title teams as Horry did.

[ILLsmak]

No because better role players like Cooper and Ced Maxwell have not made it.

Horry was an all star talent. Put that on anything. He was really good, just a baller. He wasn't a go to scorer but he has done some things. It's like rodman except horry wasnt as much of a beast, still horry was an sf archetype. Could even play pf. I think he goes in cuz everyone knows him. I mean I think he should. Probably won't cuz he's not sexy.

-Smak

[L.Kizzle]

Based on the precedent set, I think he'll make it, but I understand why a lot of people don't think he should.

If he does get in, obviosuly, it comes down to the winning. The "Celtic rule" as I call it, because it all started with the Russell Celtics.

Here's Horry's "contributions to Champions" resume

1994: 32 mpg; fourth best player
1995: 35 mpg; third best player
2000: 24 mpg; fifth best player
2001: 22 mpg; sixth best player
2002: 31 mpg; third best player
2005: 22 mpg; fifth best player
2007: 18 mpg; seventh best player


The only player with seven rings or more not in the Hall is Jim Loscutoff, a bruising power forward for the Celtics first seven title teams and a starter for about two seasons worth of games.

His role on title teams is as follows:

1957: 32 mpg; fifth best player (career year)
1959: 26 mpg; sixth best player
1960: played in 28 games, missed playoffs
1961: 14 mpg; ninth best player
1962: 15 mpg; eighth best player
1963: 8 mpg; tenth best player
1964: 8 mpg; tenth best player

comparing with others (with 5-8 rings) whose HOF fate lies in the "Celtic rule" realm...

Ramsey - In HOF
1957: 23 mpg; sixth best player
1959: 28 mpg; fifth best player (led team in scoring during playoffs)
1960: 31 mpg; fourth best player
1961: 28 mpg; fourth best player
1962: 22 mpg; seventh best player
1963: 20 mpg; eighth best player
1964: 15 mpg; eight best player

Cooper - Not in
1980: 26 mpg; sixth best player
1982: 29 mpg; sixth best player
1985: 27 mpg; fifth best player
1987: 28 mpg; fifth best player
1988: 26 mpg; seventh best player

Nelson - Not in as player
1966: 22 mpg; seventh best player
1968: 22 mpg; sixth best player
1969: 21 mpg; sixth best player
1974: 23 mpg; sixth best player
1976: 15 mpg; sixth best player

KC Jones - In HOF
1959: 11 mpg; ninth best player
1960: 15 mpg; eighth best player
1961: 18 mpg; eighth best player
1962: 25 mpg; sixth best player
1963: 23 mpg; seventh best player
1964: 30 mpg; fifth best player
1965: 32 mpg; fourth best player
1966: 33 mpg; fifth best player

Heinsohn - In HOF
1957: 33 mpg; fourth best player (leading scorer in playoffs)
1959: 32 mpg; fourth best player
1960: 33 mpg; third best player (leading scorer in playoffs)
1961: 30 mpg; third best player (leading scorer in playoffs)
1962: 31 mpg; third best player
1963: 29 mpg; third best player (leading scorer in playoffs)
1964: 28 mpg; fourth best player
1965: 25 mpg; sixth best player


Only Heinsohn has a better resume in that regard. It seems that Horry would be a likely inductee when you consider the KC Jones and Ramsey comparisons. Both are in without better stats or resumes and neither played as big a role on their title teams as Horry did.
But those guys have another thing in common, one franchise. If Horry for example won all his titles with one team, say the Spurs, I can see a case.

Those other players also have other accolades (well, at least most of them anyway.)

Ramsey, was the first "Sixth Man."
Cooper has DPOYS and All-NBA D teams to his name.
KC Jones, I believe is in more so for his college career.
Tommy has multiple All-Stars appearances and All-NBA teams.

[L.Kizzle]

Horry was an all star talent. Put that on anything. He was really good, just a baller. He wasn't a go to scorer but he has done some things. It's like rodman except horry wasnt as much of a beast, still horry was an sf archetype. Could even play pf. I think he goes in cuz everyone knows him. I mean I think he should. Probably won't cuz he's not sexy.

-Smak
I think the women believed Robert "Will Smith" Horry was sexy. Just ask someone from Houston who was around for 94 and 95 titles.

Horry was not an all-star talent, he was a notch below. When he went to Phoenix that was his chance to show his all-star talent, but he could barley get off the bench playing alongside Danny Manning AC Green Waymen Tisdale at the big forward spot of Mike Finley at the swing forward position.

[Mass Debator]

He needed 8 rings to be a lock IMO

[Milbuck]

The ****? Absolutely not. Might as well put Steve "Career 6ppg player" Kerr in there as well.

[Smoke117]

Horry was an all star talent. Put that on anything. He was really good, just a baller. He wasn't a go to scorer but he has done some things. It's like rodman except horry wasnt as much of a beast, still horry was an sf archetype. Could even play pf. I think he goes in cuz everyone knows him. I mean I think he should. Probably won't cuz he's not sexy.

-Smak

All star talent? The guy never averaged more than 12ppg and and never over 10 after he was 26 years old. He was also a below average rebounder for his size. He's also one of the laziest players ever. Besides hitting some big shots here and there he frankly didn't do much for the Lakers at all because he was such a lazy pos. He could have done more than he did, but he was never an all star talent.

[JohnFreeman]

no

[Big#50]

Good defender. Clutch as ****. But no.
Too many other greats aren't in.

[ILLsmak]

All star talent? The guy never averaged more than 12ppg and and never over 10 after he was 26 years old. He was also a below average rebounder for his size. He's also one of the laziest players ever. Besides hitting some big shots here and there he frankly didn't do much for the Lakers at all because he was such a lazy pos. He could have done more than he did, but he was never an all star talent.

Ppg isnt everything. He had scorers. He got some good dimes for his touches, too. He was a good defender and could get boards when required. He may be lazy but he may also be the ultimate glue guy for superstars. I think he did a lot for la. As I said stats aren't everything. He did probably take the game less seriously after enough rings. He was high iq, high skill. No reason to think he cant be an all star level player when luol deng has been there. I think the fact that he only averaged like 7 ppg for his career speaks to his talent and adaptability. He's like a better, more versatile fisher but with way more big moments.

-Smak

[Stringer Bell]

No

[deja vu]

Let's induct Fisher and Kerr while we're at it.

[gts]

I don't see it happening