View Full Version : LeBron would not have a single ring if he played his career in the Western Conference
Kidbasketball20
08-02-2014, 01:58 PM
Agree or disagree?
SouBeachTalents
08-02-2014, 01:59 PM
I think he probably still wins in 2012
russwest0
08-02-2014, 02:00 PM
agree, he would have just bailed to the eastern conference asap though
Why wouldnt they win 2012 or 2013? Hell what if they played Chicago in the Finals in 2011...
Kidbasketball20
08-02-2014, 02:07 PM
I think he probably still wins in 2012
Miami was a 2 seed then
LeBron would have had to play Dallas, Lakers, and either San Antonio/OKC and then Boston in the finals.
NO WAY LeBron outplays Dirk, Kobe, Timmy/Durant, AND KG in one playoff stretch.
that's compared to playing the trash Knicks, young Pacers, and the Celtics they almost lost to.
FatComputerNerd
08-02-2014, 02:09 PM
I think it would depend on what team he was on, and the roster...
:lol
Miami was a 2 seed then
LeBron would have had to play Dallas, Lakers, and either San Antonio/OKC and then Boston in the finals.
NO WAY LeBron outplays Dirk, Kobe, Timmy/Durant, AND KG in one playoff stretch.
that's compared to playing the trash Knicks, young Pacers, and the Celtics they almost lost to.
The only reason they almost lost to the Celtics was because Bosh got injured in the Pacers series. If they are in the West that injury doesnt happen. When Bosh came back they annihilated the Thunder. The best team in the West. The Heat only lost 1 game in which Bosh started. And it was by what 1 point?
But yeah, those Western Teams though. Unstoppable. :oldlol:
edrick
08-02-2014, 02:12 PM
Based on what? Having a winning record against the West, or going on a near 20 game win streak against teams in the West while on the Heat?
Based on what? Having a winning record against the West, or going on a near 20 game win streak against teams in the West while on the Heat?
The Heat had the second longest winning streak of all time vs western teams and were only 1 game away from breaking the record if im not mistaken.
Dat western conference though. :oldlol:
JohnMax
08-02-2014, 02:15 PM
He's 2/5 vs Western conference
chosen_one6
08-02-2014, 02:16 PM
If LeBron was in the Western Conference he'd have better teammates, since the West is so much better than the East. Duh.
He'd easily win a ring in the West.
I<3NBA
08-02-2014, 02:27 PM
which team would he be on in the West? Assuming he would bail on Cleveland and instead of joining Miami he joins a west team...
OKC - the league is done. OKC would win all rings until Lebron retires.
Spurs - threepeat (2012-2014)
Memphis - Grizzlies is only really lacking a scoring punch. Adding Lebron would immediately make them contenders
Clippers - a collection of chokers and Lebron is added :facepalm
GSW - Lebron with 3 pointers galore
Portland - Lebron with Lillard and Aldridge. not too shabby
MP.Trey
08-02-2014, 02:28 PM
Too many variables to answer this question. What team? Who are his teammates and coach(es)? Where do Wade, Bosh, Melo, etc. play? Impossible to tell.
JT123
08-02-2014, 02:33 PM
If he were in the West he would have had much better teammates his whole career, so yeah. He has always dominated Dirk and Kobe in the regular season, so in reality is is them who might not have any rings if he played in the West.
SouBeachTalents
08-02-2014, 02:40 PM
If he were in the West he would have had much better teammates his whole career, so yeah. He has always dominated Dirk and Kobe in the regular season, so in reality is is them who might not have any rings if he played in the West.
Well that's kind of a ridiculous thing to say considering Dirk severely outplayed LeBron in the Finals and beat him for a title
GODbe
08-02-2014, 02:42 PM
Agreed.
JT123
08-02-2014, 02:45 PM
Well that's kind of a ridiculous thing to say considering Dirk severely outplayed LeBron in the Finals and beat him for a title
Way to not read my entire sentence. :facepalm Since that Finals victory Dirk has dropped six in a row to Lebron's team. Overall, history says that Lebron is a lot more likely to dominate Dirk than the other way around. One fluke series doesn't change that. :no:
Magic 32
08-02-2014, 02:48 PM
Overall, history says that Lebron is a lot more likely to dominate Dirk than the other way around. One fluke series doesn't change that. :no:
It's the regular season games that are flukes.
And yes, no player in NBA history has benefited more from playing in a weak conference.
He would never have made it out of the first round with his Cavs team.
JT123
08-02-2014, 02:55 PM
It's the regular season games that are flukes.
And yes, no player in NBA history has benefited more from playing in a weak conference.
He would never have made it out of the first round with his Cavs team.
Lebron has DOMINATED Dirk's team six straight times now! Once or twice in a row could be called a fluke, but SIX?! :biggums: At this point Lebron has achieved ownage status on Dirk and the Mavs, sorry if that hurts your feelings. :( I won't even get into the ownage Bron has displayed over Kobe, cause that would be too easy. :yaohappy:
SouBeachTalents
08-02-2014, 02:55 PM
It's the regular season games that are flukes.
And yes, no player in NBA history has benefited more from playing in a weak conference.
He would never have made it out of the first round with his Cavs team.
Who the hell would lead those Cavs teams to a deep run in the west?
JT123
08-02-2014, 02:59 PM
Who the hell would lead those Cavs teams to a deep run in the west?
That idiot doesn't even realize that he just admitted Lebron's teammates were a bunch of D leaguers. :lol
Magic 32
08-02-2014, 03:02 PM
That idiot doesn't even realize that he just admitted Lebron's teammates were a bunch of D leaguers. :lol
Good defenders and shooters though.
All you need in the east...
http://s29.postimg.org/a8mi6c26v/Mountrushmore.jpg
Rose'sACL
08-02-2014, 03:26 PM
He would probably have more than 2 rings if he played in the west.
Kidbasketball20
08-02-2014, 03:27 PM
If LeBron was in the Western Conference he'd have better teammates, since the West is so much better than the East. Duh.
He'd easily win a ring in the West.
He'd also have tougher opponents in virtually every round of the playoffs. He has had a CAKEWALK to the finals each year and is still 2/5 against the West. :applause: :applause: :applause:
Soundwave
08-02-2014, 03:28 PM
He would probably have more than 2 rings if he played in
the west.
:biggums: Bran stan logic, folkes.
Hey Yo
08-02-2014, 03:31 PM
It's the regular season games that are flukes.
And yes, no player in NBA history has benefited more from playing in a weak conference.
He would never have made it out of the first round with his Cavs team.
Ever heard of a player named Magic that wore number 32?
That would be your answer.
Kidbasketball20
08-02-2014, 03:53 PM
He would probably have more than 2 rings if he played in the west.
Are you trolling on purpose? :wtf:
Trollsmasher
08-02-2014, 03:59 PM
LeBron with better teammates in the no D West?:lebronamazed:
going for a 5-peat, baby
Magic 32
08-02-2014, 04:02 PM
LeBron with better teammates in the no D West?:lebronamazed:
going for a 5-peat, baby
http://tuesdayswithhorry.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/lebronkawhi.gif
Kvnzhangyay
08-02-2014, 04:19 PM
:biggums: Bran stan logic, folkes.
The logic makes perfect sense, as he would be on a different team if he played on the west :facepalm
Lebron on the spurs :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
Hey Yo
08-02-2014, 04:21 PM
http://tuesdayswithhorry.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/lebronkawhi.gif
That gif is from 2013 when the Heat won B2B titles and LeBron's B2B Finals MVP.
allball
08-02-2014, 04:46 PM
what a dumbass question without even knowing what team he's on
Kidbasketball20
08-02-2014, 06:18 PM
what a dumbass question without even knowing what team he's on
Keep in mind he had PRIME Wade, ALL STAR Bosh, and CHOKED AWAY a win against the Mavs. Put him on ANY team in the West besides the Thunder pre trade Harden and LeBron WILL NOT WIN A RING.
The East has always been a million times easier to make it to the FINALs in compared to the West.
And LeBron is 2/5 in the Finals.
Magic 32
08-02-2014, 07:22 PM
That gif is from 2013 when the Heat won B2B titles and LeBron's B2B Finals MVP.
Not when he was facing the 22 year old juggernaut.
He barely escaped with a split. :roll:
J Shuttlesworth
08-02-2014, 07:23 PM
Heat actually played the defense required to beat Western teams. That's why they always had a good track record against the West
Hey Yo
08-02-2014, 07:40 PM
Not when he was facing the 22 year old juggernaut.
He barely escaped with a split. :roll:
Not sure what you're implying?
The gif surfaced during this years Finals suggesting it was from the 2014 Finals, but it's not.
LongLiveTheKing
08-02-2014, 07:48 PM
Lebron would dominate the west in the playoffs, especially if he was in miami.
JT123
08-02-2014, 07:50 PM
Keep in mind he had PRIME Wade, ALL STAR Bosh, and CHOKED AWAY a win against the Mavs. Put him on ANY team in the West besides the Thunder pre trade Harden and LeBron WILL NOT WIN A RING.
The East has always been a million times easier to make it to the FINALs in compared to the West.
And LeBron is 2/5 in the Finals.
So Lebron wouldn't win a ring on the Spurs? :biggums:
All credibility lost. :sleeping Put Lebron on any Western team that made the playoffs last season and they would become the instant championship favorite. That is a fact whether you like it or not.
allball
08-02-2014, 08:13 PM
Keep in mind he had PRIME Wade, ALL STAR Bosh, and CHOKED AWAY a win against the Mavs. Put him on ANY team in the West besides the Thunder pre trade Harden and LeBron WILL NOT WIN A RING.
The East has always been a million times easier to make it to the FINALs in compared to the West.
And LeBron is 2/5 in the Finals.
prime Wade? you named two players on his team with no frontcourt depth and mediocre PG play that he was still able to carry to two finals wins.
Miami was top heavy while the better West teams are very deep. Put Lebron ona really deep West team and they can beat anybody.
You're talking about adding the best player to a team that's already good and they can't win it all? STFU.
Kidbasketball20
08-02-2014, 08:27 PM
prime Wade? you named two players on his team with no frontcourt depth and mediocre PG play that he was still able to carry to two finals wins.
Miami was top heavy while the better West teams are very deep. Put Lebron ona really deep West team and they can beat anybody.
You're talking about adding the best player to a team that's already good and they can't win it all? STFU.
I'm talking about the years he actually WON rings in. And none of these teams had the money to sign LeBron anyway. Put him on a Western team with the CAP SPACE, and LeBron does not make it to the finals in the West in ANY SCENARIO.
smoovegittar
08-02-2014, 08:32 PM
Miami was a 2 seed then
LeBron would have had to play Dallas, Lakers, and either San Antonio/OKC and then Boston in the finals.
NO WAY LeBron outplays Dirk, Kobe, Timmy/Durant, AND KG in one playoff stretch.
that's compared to playing the trash Knicks, young Pacers, and the Celtics they almost lost to.
Trash Knicks beat your and and Lebron's ass on a regular basis the last few
years.
Kidbasketball20
08-02-2014, 08:54 PM
Trash Knicks beat your and and Lebron's ass on a regular basis the last few
years.
The Knicks have always been trash what are you talking about :facepalm
You really consider them beating the Heat in the regular season that one year seriously? They melted in the playoffs.
Warfan
08-02-2014, 09:07 PM
This is a dumbass thread. What team would he be on? Still Miami? If so they'd win 2 rings in 2012 & 2013, and he wouldn't have made any other finals because he'd lose in 2014 (most likely to the Spurs) and 2011 (most likely to the Mavs) and wouldn't make the finals on those Cavs teams from 2003-2010.
So I guess he'd be a flawless 2/2, still on pace for Jordan and his 6/6. Right?
SouBeachTalents
08-02-2014, 09:11 PM
This is a dumbass thread. What team would he be on? Still Miami? If so they'd win 2 rings in 2012 & 2013, and he wouldn't have made any other finals because he'd lose in 2014 (most likely to the Spurs) and 2011 (most likely to the Mavs) and wouldn't make the finals on those Cavs teams from 2003-2010.
So I guess he'd be a flawless 2/2, still on pace for Jordan and his 6/6. Right?
:cheers:
04mzwach
08-02-2014, 09:19 PM
Most likely he doesn't make the Finals as easily. The competition is much better in the Western Conference. It's not that Lebron paired with whomever he's paired with in the Western Conference wouldn't be great. It's that he'd have to go through tough team after tough team in the playoffs. Underdogs can win in the Western Conference and the chances of them being as good as a team like the Spurs this year would be hard to fathom.
MiseryCityTexas
08-02-2014, 09:22 PM
Kobe would not have won ring after the Shaq era if it weren't for great general management.
nba_55
08-02-2014, 09:24 PM
Pointless thread. We will never know the truth.
poido123
08-02-2014, 09:26 PM
What west team would he be on?
If the west is great like everyone says, then wouldn't he and his team be even better and harder to beat?
Kidbasketball20
08-02-2014, 10:42 PM
Pointless thread. We will never know the truth.
The point is Jordan, Wilt, Kareem ALL would have been able to win multiple rings in the West.
LeBron needed Prime Wade and spot up shooter All Star Bosh to make it to the finals each season.
Then when he made it against the West he was 2/5. 2 in 5. :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
houston
08-02-2014, 10:59 PM
If LeBron was in the Western Conference he'd have better teammates, since the West is so much better than the East. Duh.
He'd easily win a ring in the West.
yea he would
Kidbasketball20
08-02-2014, 11:03 PM
Kobe would not have won ring after the Shaq era if it weren't for great general management.
At least Kobe didn't jump ship entirely and carried the team on his back most seasons. 2 rings by himself without 2 top 10 All Stars help.
deja vu
08-02-2014, 11:04 PM
LeBron on the Spurs. Game set match.
JT123
08-02-2014, 11:07 PM
Kobe would not have won ring after the Shaq era if it weren't for great general management.
This. We have all seen what happens when Kobe doesn't have a stacked team.
2005 - misses playoffs in his prime
2006 - chokes away 3-1 against the Suns and quits like a bitch in game 7
2007 - Still can't beat Steve Nash :oldlol:
poido123
08-02-2014, 11:11 PM
LeBron on the Spurs. Game set match.
He knows he would win championships there, but I suspect that he doesn't like to be told what to do or be confronted too often...
Kidbasketball20
08-02-2014, 11:13 PM
LeBron on the Spurs. Game set match.
No cap space for LeBron :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
LeBron on the Grizzlies....easily 2 rings and maybe more if he stays there for upcoming years.
KyleKong
08-02-2014, 11:27 PM
Dumb argument.
Miami beat the best team from the West in 2012 and 2013.
Kidbasketball20
08-02-2014, 11:32 PM
Dumb argument.
Miami beat the best team from the West in 2012 and 2013.
No they didn't, they beat the team that made it to the finals from the West.
Miami would NOT have made it past the Western teams in either 2012 or 2013. LeBron was not the player he was then mentally.
nba_55
08-03-2014, 06:32 PM
No they didn't, they beat the team that made it to the finals from the West.
Miami would NOT have made it past the Western teams in either 2012 or 2013. LeBron was not the player he was then mentally.
Why should we believe you? Do you have any evidence?
nba_55
08-03-2014, 06:33 PM
The point is Jordan, Wilt, Kareem ALL would have been able to win multiple rings in the West.
LeBron needed Prime Wade and spot up shooter All Star Bosh to make it to the finals each season.
Then when he made it against the West he was 2/5. 2 in 5. :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
Again, you are making pointless speculations that are worth nothing.
Soundwave
08-03-2014, 06:35 PM
What west team would he be on?
If the west is great like everyone says, then wouldn't he and his team be even better and harder to beat?
I think the argument is if you supplanted his Cleveland/Miami teams and put them in the West.
DMAVS41
08-03-2014, 06:52 PM
Nah...I think they win in 12.
Unfair to say never, but certainly 0 is a far stronger possibility playing in a real conference.
But I think you have to give them 12.
Trollsmasher
08-03-2014, 07:08 PM
What west team would he be on?
If the west is great like everyone says, then wouldn't he and his team be even better and harder to beat?
don't try to bring logic into this:no:
dubeta
08-03-2014, 07:21 PM
lmao lebron already slayed the GOAT east teams in 2012
stacked knicks with melo, amare, tyson, j.r
GOAT defense pacers without having Bosh
Championship Celtics
K Xerxes
08-03-2014, 07:24 PM
Meanwhile in the real world, Lebron has two rings.
Goldrush25
08-03-2014, 07:25 PM
NO WAY LeBron outplays Dirk, Kobe, Timmy/Durant, AND KG in one playoff stretch.
.
Unless he's on one of those teams.:confusedshrug:
So what roster is he on? There are a ton of teams in the West he instantly turns into Finals contenders. Unless you stipulate that he must play for Sacramento. Then yes, he'd have a tough time.
Just dropping Miami in the West and posing the question that way is a dumb hypothetical. Who goes to the East?? Let me guess, the worst West team, right?
Kidbasketball20
08-03-2014, 07:41 PM
I think the argument is if you supplanted his Cleveland/Miami teams and put them in the West.
Yes that's correct. Every playoff team in the West like Spurs, Mavs, Thunder etc... could not afford LeBron's contract even at the reduced Miami rate at the time of his free agency.
90sgoat
03-03-2019, 10:25 AM
Agree :confusedshrug:
agreed. He would be in the Karl Malone/Charles Barkley tier on the GOAT list.
PickernRoller
03-03-2019, 11:27 AM
No doubt in my mind.
You can bet your life savings on it and get a 100% return.
BigShotBob
03-03-2019, 12:47 PM
People are fast forwarding Lebron's career to 2011 as if the hypothetical isn't implying that he was drafted to the Nuggets instead of Melo lol.....
Let's make this simple for the small-minded.
If Lebron was drafted to the Nuggets, how many rings would he win in the west for his entire career having the same teammates that Melo had (and going against Kobe in the playoffs)?
sammichoffate
03-03-2019, 01:21 PM
People are fast forwarding Lebron's career to 2011 as if the hypothetical isn't implying that he was drafted to the Nuggets instead of Melo lol.....
Let's make this simple for the small-minded.
If Lebron was drafted to the Nuggets, how many rings would he win in the west for his entire career having the same teammates that Melo had (and going against Kobe in the playoffs)?Depends, does he try to trade all his teammates?
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