Coach K on the Wiggins-for-Love "Would do it without a moment of hesitance."

[stallionaire]

http://mweb.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24631063/coach-k-not-one-second-of-hesitancy-id-trade-wiggins-for-kevin-love?v=1&vc=1



Cavs are jerking around the league as if LeBron was being honest in his Sports Illustrated article.

A team with LeBron will never be in the 'rebuilding' process while he is in his prime. He does not have a year to sit around and get bounced again in the playoffs or Finals.

The Cavs need Love, NOW.

Love is being criminally underrated by the league and casual fans. He is a scary offensive beast and anything he puts up around the basket goes in and he is a threat from deep as well. He rebounds like none other, a vacuum in the low post.

Kyrie-Love-LeBron means a championship RIGHT NOW.

LeBron isn't interested in letting a rookie like Wiggins demand so many minutes for the sake of his development. This is a championship team in the making and they just need the star players right now.


I keep hearing dumbasses saying "The cavs can wait and Love will walk for nothing"

2 things :
1. I can't see that happening. Love will likely be gone by the deadline. He has other suitors with better offers than what the Cavs can muster up (late first round picks, garbage like Bennet)

2. Let's say we keep Love for a season. That sounds like 1 more season of one of the greatest players in the league on my team. I will gladly take that so I can go and watch my Wolves at the Target Center. It's not like he's gonna slouch this season either, his contract will be up and he will need to earn his next max deal.


tl;dr - Cavs are playing hardball when there is no reason for them to. They lose Wiggins but they are better for it.



What I want from the Cavs for losing our once in a lifetime player :

-Wiggins, Watiers, a First.


We give up : Love

[JellyBean]

I would take the Wiggins, Waiters, and 2 draft picks in a heartbeat for Kevin.

[The Choken One]

Love is all the sudden a "once in a lifetime player".

Uhgggggggggggggg........

[buddha]

Bran / Wade / Bosh > Bran / Irving / Love

and it's not even close

[stallionaire]

The Cavs want Dieng too. I think Dieng is holding up talks.

If they get Dieng they get a great up and coming Center.

Wolves would do well to make them squirm for Love and keep Dieng on our team. We gotta deal Pek to somebody soon.

[DMAVS41]

The Cavs want Dieng too. I think Dieng is holding up talks.

If they get Dieng they get a great up and coming Center.

Wolves would do well to make them squirm for Love and keep Dieng on our team. We gotta deal Pek to somebody soon.

I like Pek, but who is taking him?

[played0ut]

There is a possibility that Wiggins can be greater than Love and maybe even become the next face of the NBA.


But OP is right. with the timing and Lebron's age, they don't have time to wait for Wiggins to develop. They need to trade now. Lebron's the best player in the NBA and they only have so long to take full advantage of that.

[Orlando Magic]

Kevin Love is one of the most overrated players in the history of the NBA.

You don't pass up Wiggins' potential for that unless you're certain that LeBron + Love = title right this season. Me? Hell no I'm not convinced that adding Love to this squad makes them the favorites... in fact, regardless of Love, if the Bulls are healthy, they're the favorites in the East now.

If Cleveland starts winning titles it'll start in 3-4 years once Wiggins begins to shape up and come into his own right before LeBron starts to really, really decline.

[stallionaire]

Love is all the sudden a "once in a lifetime player".

Uhgggggggggggggg........

I have watched the majority of Love's games as a Wolf. I love my team. It's a shame he has to go but I'm being completely honest. He is unreal to watch and his skillset is so ****ing refined it pisses me off that he is so undervalued in this league.

The good thing is that franchises hire people to know that Kevin Love is a once in a lifetime player and that he will soon be dealt for that value.

It's the casual fans like yourself that piss me off with that nonsense of disagreeing. :kobe:

[stallionaire]

I like Pek, but who is taking him?

Not sure. The Wolves decided to overpay Pek right when every other team began overpaying theirs as well (Hibbert, Asik, many many others) so it seems like there's this massive clot of teams that are in their own center issues. We need to wait for a team to really need a center and one that can afford his contract... For that to happen he has to stay healthy and play well for an entire season.. but at that point it'd make it hard for the Wolves to part with him. When he's healthy he is the strongest bruiser down low. Very beatiful touch in his offense to. Lead the league in offensive-boards too a season ago if i'm not mistaken... It can happen.

[stallionaire]

Bran / Wade / Bosh > Bran / Irving / Love

and it's not even close

Wade is a joke, honestly.

I really respect Bosh's game but Love is much much better than Bosh.

LeBron will probably be better this year.


Irving > Wade
Love > Bosh
New Bron > Last Season Bron

[Orlando Magic]

I have watched the majority of Love's games as a Wolf. I love my team. It's a shame he has to go but I'm being completely honest. He is unreal to watch and his skillset is so ****ing refined it pisses me off that he is so undervalued in this league.

The good thing is that franchises hire people to know that Kevin Love is a once in a lifetime player and that he will soon be dealt for that value.

It's the casual fans like yourself that piss me off with that nonsense of disagreeing. :kobe:


Once in a lifetime?

Once in a lifetime player = LeBron James, Shaquille O'Neal, Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson/Larry Bird, KAJ, Russell/Chamberlain.

lol @ Kevin Love being a once in a lifetime player. Holy shit. You're right. Once in a lifetime does someone get overrated this much.

[stallionaire]

There is a possibility that Wiggins can be greater than Love and maybe even become the next face of the NBA.


I don't understand this logic.

Wiggins can only HOPE to be a top 10 player in the league. Seriously, it's ****ing hard doing that in the NBA. He is so raw...

Love is a top 10 player league right now.


Cavs will take the top 10 player who is developed right now to put alongside the greatest player in his prime.

[DMAVS41]

Not sure. The Wolves decided to overpay Pek right when every other team began overpaying theirs as well (Hibbert, Asik, many many others) so it seems like there's this massive clot of teams that are in their own center issues. We need to wait for a team to really need a center and one that can afford his contract... For that to happen he has to stay healthy and play well for an entire season.. but at that point it'd make it hard for the Wolves to part with him. When he's healthy he is the strongest bruiser down low. Very beatiful touch in his offense to. Lead the league in offensive-boards too a season ago if i'm not mistaken... It can happen.

Pek is a tough case. He's good, but he's weak defensively...so you'd have to pair him next to an elite defensive forward/big for it to work.

Honestly, very hard to find that pairing...and that is what it would take for a team to take on Pek. A title contending type team looking to add a scoring center that wouldn't hurt you too much defensively because you have an elite forward defender.

First team that comes to my mind is the Thunder. Ibaka and Pek would be silly good.

But I just don't see many teams giving up anything real to get him...it would have to be just the Wolves looking to get out of the contract. Maybe an expiring contract, young player, and a pick?

So for the Thunder...Perkins, McGary, and a first rounder...honestly I'm not even sure Presti would do that. And then the Thunder have to worry about Pek eating up so much space and not being able to retain Reggie Jackson.

Pek seems like a tough guy to move.

[stallionaire]

Once in a lifetime?

Once in a lifetime player = LeBron James, Shaquille O'Neal, Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson/Larry Bird, KAJ, Russell/Chamberlain.

lol @ Kevin Love being a once in a lifetime player. Holy shit. You're right. Once in a lifetime does someone get overrated this much.

Kevin Love is 25 years old. He is just entering his prime and he will put up 30 and 20 every few nights.

He is on his way to being once in a lifetime, excuse me for saying he already is.

Love is a top 5 in the league to me.

[stallionaire]

Pek is a tough case. He's good, but he's weak defensively...so you'd have to pair him next to an elite defensive forward/big for it to work.

Honestly, very hard to find that pairing...and that is what it would take for a team to take on Pek. A title contending type team looking to add a scoring center that wouldn't hurt you too much defensively because you have an elite forward defender.

First team that comes to my mind is the Thunder. Ibaka and Pek would be silly good.

Thunder would be a fantastic match.

I'm hoping our coaching will try out a Dieng and Pek big man line-up. Gotta be big in the west.

[LoneyROY7]

I'm all for Wiggins-Lavine. The new McGrady and Carter.

[Goldrush25]

Irving > Wade


At what? Basketweaving?

[DMAVS41]

Thunder would be a fantastic match.

I'm hoping our coaching will try out a Dieng and Pek big man line-up. Gotta be big in the west.

It's too bad the Thunder won't pay a lot of tax or something.

Because they could trade for Pek with Perkins and some young assets...and then they could go over the cap when signing Reggie back.

What a sick team;

WB/Reggie
Lamb/Morrow
Durant
Ibaka
Pek/Adams

Honestly, that is the kind of move I think the Thunder should try. I'm not sure Pek is the answer, but a low post scorer actually might be.

[russwest0]

Are the T'Wolves shopping Pekovic or something?

[stallionaire]

Are the T'Wolves shopping Pekovic or something?

I'm sure they are. No bites. No serious shopping though.

[DMAVS41]

Are the T'Wolves shopping Pekovic or something?

Oh...no

We were just spitballing about where Pek could possibly be moved where it might make sense.

I thought the Thunder was a team where it would because of the elite defense of Ibaka...and with Adams there as well.

We were trying to come up with teams that might be willing to take him on...and my stance was that it would have to be a team with an elite defensive force at pf...and a team looking to win titles.

No team that isn't a top contender is going to take on Pek and give something up for him.

[russwest0]

Yeah but Coach K is speaking purely from a coaching standpoint.

He's not thinking about the fact that LeBron could opt out after 1 year, about the fact that Wiggins provides a big cap value if he can be an all star in 2 years because he'll still be on a rookie contract. Among many other things.

[Purch]

Coach K is smarter than the Cavs front office? Color me suprised :rolleyes:

[Take Your Lumps]

Here's the thing.

If Lebron wants Kevin Love he's going to get Kevin Love. They're not going to over-rule him and the first guy on his wishlist. If he's cool with trading Wiggins for Love, it'll get done.

[talkingconch]

Kevin Love is what Pau Gasol was in Memphis before he got to the Lakers

Cavs do this trade.

and if ur worried about lebron leaving after a year or whatever, then thats the risk. Do you keep wiggins in hoping he turns into GOAT talent or nab Love when you have the chance and an opportunity to bring your city a championship

[navy]

Yeah but Coach K is speaking purely from a coaching standpoint.

He's not thinking about the fact that LeBron could opt out after 1 year, about the fact that Wiggins provides a big cap value if he can be an all star in 2 years because he'll still be on a rookie contract. Among many other things.
If Lebron is going to opt out if he cant win with Love in year 1, why on Earth wouldnt he opt out because Wiggins is guaranteed to not help him win this year?

Wiggins isnt going to be better then Love this year or next year. If Lebron is going to leave because he cant win, it makes no sense to keep the player that gives him the least chance of winning next year.

[played0ut]

I don't understand this logic.

Wiggins can only HOPE to be a top 10 player in the league. Seriously, it's ****ing hard doing that in the NBA. He is so raw...

Love is a top 10 player league right now.


Cavs will take the top 10 player who is developed right now to put alongside the greatest player in his prime.

It's because it's all speculative. Literally anything can happen. Unlikely i agree, but there's always that chance.

[BrownEye007]

http://mweb.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24631063/coach-k-not-one-second-of-hesitancy-id-trade-wiggins-for-kevin-love?v=1&vc=1



Cavs are jerking around the league as if LeBron was being honest in his Sports Illustrated article.

A team with LeBron will never be in the 'rebuilding' process while he is in his prime. He does not have a year to sit around and get bounced again in the playoffs or Finals.

The Cavs need Love, NOW.

Love is being criminally underrated by the league and casual fans. He is a scary offensive beast and anything he puts up around the basket goes in and he is a threat from deep as well. He rebounds like none other, a vacuum in the low post.

Kyrie-Love-LeBron means a championship RIGHT NOW.

LeBron isn't interested in letting a rookie like Wiggins demand so many minutes for the sake of his development. This is a championship team in the making and they just need the star players right now.


I keep hearing dumbasses saying "The cavs can wait and Love will walk for nothing"

2 things :
1. I can't see that happening. Love will likely be gone by the deadline. He has other suitors with better offers than what the Cavs can muster up (late first round picks, garbage like Bennet)

2. Let's say we keep Love for a season. That sounds like 1 more season of one of the greatest players in the league on my team. I will gladly take that so I can go and watch my Wolves at the Target Center. It's not like he's gonna slouch this season either, his contract will be up and he will need to earn his next max deal.


tl;dr - Cavs are playing hardball when there is no reason for them to. They lose Wiggins but they are better for it.



What I want from the Cavs for losing our once in a lifetime player :

-Wiggins, Watiers, a First.


We give up : Love
If you want Wiggins and Waiters you can go ahead and keep Love.

[russwest0]

Love being a top 10 player is debatable as hell.

Mainly because we've never seen him in a winning situation to know what type of value he has to a contending team as opposed to a garbage one.

Serge Ibaka per 36 averages 17/10 on 54% shooting, and also provides the ability to space the floor and hit a corner 3 if needed. Oh, and he plays DPOY level defense.

What Serge does is valuable as hell to a championship team as a 3rd option. I'm not so sure that Kevin Love would be better in the same situation because he's a really poor defender and not as efficient as someone like Ibaka.

[Kingwillball]

If you want Wiggins and Waiters you can go ahead and keep Love.


A great Trade for Cavs would be Waiters and Thompson or Bennet and great trade for Twolves would be Wiggins and one of them. Either way both are fine for Love and makes Cavs more of a contender immediately.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

wiggins reps just said wiggins will play overseas if he gets traded. it's all over twitter.

[atljonesbro]

Kevin Love is what Pau Gasol was in Memphis before he got to the Lakers

Cavs do this trade.

and if ur worried about lebron leaving after a year or whatever, then thats the risk. Do you keep wiggins in hoping he turns into GOAT talent or nab Love when you have the chance and an opportunity to bring your city a championship
Except way more talented.

[FatComputerNerd]

Wiggins + Waiters is too much.

So is Wiggins + Bennett

[RedBlackAttack]

Good to know. Thanks, Coach K, for your valued input. :oldlol:

Is there anyone else ESPN would like to bring in to try to pressure a professional franchise to do a deal in order to make a team more marketable for them? What a joke.

I've never seen anything quite like this.

[iznogood]

Except way more talented.
Kevin Love is a better scorer, Pau is a better basketball player.

[atljonesbro]

Kevin Love is a better scorer, Pau is a better basketball player.
No he isn't. Insert Pau on the Wolves and he couldn't even come close to Love numbers no matter how hard he tried. Love is definitely a better player than Pau ever was.

[La Frescobaldi]

When Wiggins can destroy Tyson Chandler and Kendrick Perkins in the deep post, burn Kyrie Irving, Manu or Ibaka off the dribble to bomb the 3, knows how to set picks so severe that guys completely disappear out of a play.... and survive Cousins, Aldridge, Griffin, Bosh, Ibaka night in and night out, then I will start to be impressed.

Anthony Davis hit a 20 10 last season and he gets raves, while Love did 26 and 12 and gets beat up while winning considerably more games. An NBA rebounding champ and known threat from anywhere on the court... for an untried rookie? Y'all ain't thinking clear on here.

OP is talking about a once in a lifetime player which is somewhat true. When was the last 30 30 game - like 1983? Those 30-15s & 40-12s he does on the regular are pretty amazing really. Nobody else is doing it, at all. Who else can dominate like that down low since... forever? But yet can bomb from anywhere too? Griffin can't shoot like that. And those numbers are even crazier when you figure Pekovic was getting his.

I'm gonna be watching this rookie no matter where he goes because there's a whole lot of... something goin on with all the rave reviews I keep seeing on here. His film looks nice and all but geez

[Duderonomy]

Good to know. Thanks, Coach K, for your valued input. :oldlol:

Is there anyone else ESPN would like to bring in to try to pressure a professional franchise to do a deal in order to make a team more marketable for them? What a joke.

I've never seen anything quite like this.
I would take this with a grain of salt. It could be a diss because of him being selected over Parker. Also K being a college coach he is going by only talent atm, not considering the salary cap, long term development and contention. Irving and Lebron have the jersey sales market cornered for the team and the games will most likely be sold-out. The only reason to bring love is for the on court reasons. I wouldn't trade Wiggins or any core of three. If you get Love and he doesn't fit in you are stuck. If Bennett or Wiggins stinks they are still valuable trade assets.

[deja vu]

Wiggins may well be a superstar but he could also be a bust. LeBron is already 30 and is on a 2 year deal. Unless Wiggins is the 2nd coming of Jordan he will struggle in his first 2 years. So trading Wiggins for Love makes sense right now.

I don't get it why some people think that Wiggins is some transcendental, can't-miss talent that you won't trade for a 25-14 player no matter what.

Even if Wiggins turns out to be a superstar they won't regret such a trade. You take risks and it's a gamble they should be willing to take (in order to win rings).

[Kblaze8855]

Good to know. Thanks, Coach K, for your valued input. :oldlol:

Is there anyone else ESPN would like to bring in to try to pressure a professional franchise to do a deal in order to make a team more marketable for them? What a joke.

I've never seen anything quite like this.

So it cant just be that someone who has lived the game for 45 years would get asked about the biggest story in basketball while coaching the centerpiece of that story for the summer?

It has to be a Machiavellian plot?

Coach K talks about a lot. i was reading his thoughts on Derrick rose a couple days ago. Hes coaching team USA. He will be asked about his players. I doubt its any more than that.

[brandonislegend]

I'm all for Wiggins-Lavine. The new McGrady and Carter.

The 99 cent store version maybe.

[Kblaze8855]

The only reason to bring love is for the on court reasons.

And when I say that the anti trade posters are mostly ignoring basketball people think im making it up.

[jbryan1984]

Kevin Love is great but is in no way a once in a life time player. Hes never even played a playoff game and hes been around 5 or 6 years now. Come on now. If this were prime KG or prime Dirk or something yes make the trade. Minnesota is being stubborn here and they are gonna lose Love for nothing.

[RedBlackAttack]

Wiggins may well be a superstar but he could also be a bust. LeBron is already 30 and is on a 2 year deal. Unless Wiggins is the 2nd coming of Jordan he will struggle in his first 2 years. So trading Wiggins for Love makes sense right now.

I don't get it why some people think that Wiggins is some transcendental, can't-miss talent that you won't trade for a 25-14 player no matter what.

Even if Wiggins turns out to be a superstar they won't regret such a trade. You take risks and it's a gamble they should be willing to take (in order to win rings).
It's so much more complicated than "Player A vs. Player B." That's just the most simplistic take that isn't taking into account the circumstances and the future.

The truth is, the Cavs can offer the best package of any team vying for Love's talents without including Wiggins. If the TWolves don't want to take it because they're demanding the No. 1 pick in one of the most stacked drafts in recent history, a ransom which hasn't even been approached in recent similar trades, then they can watch him walk away this time next year or accept Harrison Barnes and David Lee out of spite.

Take a look at what OKC received for Harden, Denver for Melo, Orlando for Dwight and New Orleans for CP3. Those are the precedents that have been set for max players who've made it clear they want to leave their respective teams with one year left on their contracts.

None have yielded close to the first overall pick, let alone back-to-back first overall picks, plus another first-rounder, as has been reported elsewhere. That's just complete lunacy.

If Waiters, Bennett or Thompson and three first-rounders isn't enough, I'd say good luck finding something better elsewhere.

No Wiggins. No way. The Cavs have the chance to do something truly unique with the best player in the world grooming an incredible talent who also happens to play the same position, though their games are not much alike. When LeBron is 35, Wiggins will be 25. As a Cavs fan, I can't tell you how excited that makes me for the future... and the present.

[RedBlackAttack]

Oh, and btw...

Unlike James Harden who immediately signed a four-year extension with Houston after the trade was made, I've heard from reliable sources that Love has no intentions of doing so. There are certain teams -- the Cavs reportedly being one -- that he "says" he'd sign with after he becomes a free agent next year, but it won't be something that is guaranteed with his signature on the bottom line the way it was with Harden in Houston.

That impacts trade value quite a bit. Even if it is a place where he's saying he would like to play, that's what LA thought when they traded for Dwight.


And, even with Harden immediately agreeing to extend, OKC received Kevin Martin and Jeremy Lamb, two first-round picks and a second-round pick in that deal.

Kevin Love is not going to extend, but we should give away back-to-back No. 1 picks plus an additional first-rounder in the hopes that he will?

Pshhhhh.

[Meticode]

Bran / Wade / Bosh > Bran / Irving / Love

and it's not even close
Bron / Wade / Bosh / Chalmers / Joel Anthony < Varejao / Love / Bron / Waiters / Irving

and it's not even close.

[hawksdogsbraves]

Good to know. Thanks, Coach K, for your valued input. :oldlol:

Is there anyone else ESPN would like to bring in to try to pressure a professional franchise to do a deal in order to make a team more marketable for them? What a joke.

I've never seen anything quite like this.

I think all the Cavs drama over the past couple months might have sent RBA over the edge :oldlol:

I don't think Coach K is part of any 'conspiracy'

[Kblaze8855]

Calling Bennett the #1 pick doesnt make him anything. Once you are on the floor you are what you are. What he was on the draft board a year ago doesnt make him more valuable than his contributions and skills suggest. And the future pick would be from who? If its from any of the teams I can think of you might have access to its worth next to nothing. You have a Kings pick stashed or something?

I wouldnt trade Taj Gibson for Bennett and the pick. Who needs a #26 pick?

Wiggins has value because hes yet to look like the biggest bust in modern times.

I dont see why Bennett would be involved in anything anyway. He looked decent to me in the summer league. Might as well wait to see what he does. What hes done sure wont add much value..

[To4]

Wiggins + Waiter + bennet or thompson + picks for Love and dieng.. Do it!

[PleezeBelieve]

Wiggins + Waiter + bennet or thompson + picks for Love and dieng.. Do it!
This is close to what it will take to get the deal done. Cavs don't want to move Waiters with Wiggins but that's what it will take to get Dieng.

[PleezeBelieve]

Calling Bennett the #1 pick doesnt make him anything. Once you are on the floor you are what you are. What he was on the draft board a year ago doesnt make him more valuable than his contributions and skills suggest. And the future pick would be from who? If its from any of the teams I can think of you might have access to its worth next to nothing. You have a Kings pick stashed or something?

I wouldnt trade Taj Gibson for Bennett and the pick. Who needs a #26 pick?

Wiggins has value because hes yet to look like the biggest bust in modern times.

I dont see why Bennett would be involved in anything anyway. He looked decent to me in the summer league. Might as well wait to see what he does. What hes done sure wont add much value..
Bennett's value isn't as low as you make it out to be nor as high as those who say "Minny gets the '13 #1 pick"

Its somewhere in the middle. He will be a solid rotational player. His defense is average but I think he can immediately be a plus rebounder along with 13-15 ppg

[PleezeBelieve]

The more I think about it, Cavs need to keep Waiters.

Kyrie
Waiters
Lebron
Love

Would do so much damage. The Cavs fans who can't see those four would be dynamic together, I'm just not understanding what they're looking at. All four of those guys offer premium offensive capabilities off the bounce to go along with good shooting %s.

[Kblaze8855]

I like him. Hes more skilled than given credit for. But he has vitrually no standing in the league. Better to let him show what hes learned and what he can do in better shape than to dump him at his lowest value.

[To4]

This is close to what it will take to get the deal done. Cavs don't want to move Waiters with Wiggins but that's what it will take to get Dieng.

Honestly, dunno what will happen to the shooting of Cavs if they let Waiters go.. I know irving can shoot but who else?? :confusedshrug:

[Akrazotile]

I would take the Wiggins, Waiters, and 2 draft picks in a heartbeat for Kevin.


This

[PleezeBelieve]

It's so much more complicated than "Player A vs. Player B." That's just the most simplistic take that isn't taking into account the circumstances and the future.

The truth is, the Cavs can offer the best package of any team vying for Love's talents without including Wiggins. If the TWolves don't want to take it because they're demanding the No. 1 pick in one of the most stacked drafts in recent history, a ransom which hasn't even been approached in recent similar trades, then they can watch him walk away this time next year or accept Harrison Barnes and David Lee out of spite.

Take a look at what OKC received for Harden, Denver for Melo, Orlando for Dwight and New Orleans for CP3. Those are the precedents that have been set for max players who've made it clear they want to leave their respective teams with one year left on their contracts.

None have yielded close to the first overall pick, let alone back-to-back first overall picks, plus another first-rounder, as has been reported elsewhere. That's just complete lunacy.

If Waiters, Bennett or Thompson and three first-rounders isn't enough, I'd say good luck finding something better elsewhere.

No Wiggins. No way. The Cavs have the chance to do something truly unique with the best player in the world grooming an incredible talent who also happens to play the same position, though their games are not much alike. When LeBron is 35, Wiggins will be 25. As a Cavs fan, I can't tell you how excited that makes me for the future... and the present.
You're living a pipe dream... seriously. In your world Wiggins is this immense talent, too valuable to trade away, even for Kevin Love. And really nothing of what you base this on this present production value. Most of what you post about Wiggins is with premksebkf shat he will be in 2020.

Are you even listening to yourself? You just acknowledged Wiggins and LeBron play the same position, yet you still act like he's hands off. I can't begin to express my confusion regarding your rational with your Wiggins lovefest considering the rest of our personnel?

Do you really think the Cavs are going ANYWHERE significant with this starting 5 playing significant minutes?

Kyrie
Wiggins
LeBron
Tristan
Varejao

Do you think LeBron came back to Cleveland to play with that?

For real, Wiggins is gone. He's been gone since LeBron came back.

[hawksdogsbraves]

Honestly, dunno what will happen to the shooting of Cavs if they let Waiters go.. I know irving can shoot but who else?? :confusedshrug:

They JUST brought in Mike Miller and James Jones for the sole purpose of shooting 3's. They could probably convince Ray Allen to come play one more year in Cleveland if they want to as well.

[G-train]

I stand by my comments in other threads, trading Love for Wiggins would go down as a huge blunder in 10 years.

Love is a star...but 50% strike rate on healthy seasons, for potentially, and IMO definitely, a superstar player for 10+ seasons in Wiggins PLUS other young talent??

I'd be rolling with Irving, Waiters, Wiggins, Lebron, Varejao.
Bennett off the bench.

See what happens first before giving up that talent for one guy.

[PleezeBelieve]

I stand by my comments in other threads, trading Love for Wiggins would go down as a huge blunder in 10 years.

Love is a star...but 50% strike rate on healthy seasons, for potentially, and IMO definitely, a superstar player for 10+ seasons in Wiggins PLUS other young talent??

I'd be rolling with Irving, Waiters, Wiggins, Lebron, Varejao.
Bennett off the bench.

See what happens first before giving up that talent for one guy.
Post the stats that project Wiggins as a superstar

And :roll: you thinking the Cavs going anywhere with LeBron playing PF full time

[SpecialQue]

I love this so much. OP is praying that this trade happens so he can get a franchise player for free, while also seeing yet another former Timberwolf possibly win a championship on another team. :oldlol: That's the closest this fool's team will ever get to a championship...seeing former players win elsewhere.

[G-train]

Post the stats that project Wiggins as a superstar

And :roll: you thinking the Cavs going anywhere with LeBron playing PF full time

The problem with debating basketball with you is that you are a dolt, among other things.

I don't judge players on 4 or 5 numbers.

Wiggins will be an adept scorer, both on the drive and in terms of midrange play.
I'd say 15-16ppg as a rookie, but his max is league leading scorer.
But his defence will set him apart from the other high scorers, and his assist numbers will grow as he gains more experience.

Lebron would be playing as Lebron, like he did for Miami.
He doesn't have a defined position. He would start as a 'forward' technically, but Thompson and Bennett would be among the first subs made, into the 4 spot.

Or I would simply start Thompson, and play Wiggins as 6th man for 28-30 mpg for his first couple of seasons.

Either way, I wouldn't be trading what I am not even sure I really have.

[#number6ix#]

Wiggins is gonna be fvcking garbage

[brandonislegend]

The problem with debating basketball with you is that you are a dolt, among other things.

I don't judge players on 4 or 5 numbers.

Wiggins will be an adept scorer, both on the drive and in terms of midrange play.
I'd say 15-16ppg as a rookie, but his max is league leading scorer.
But his defence will set him apart from the other high scorers, and his assist numbers will grow as he gains more experience.

Lebron would be playing as Lebron, like he did for Miami.
He doesn't have a defined position. He would start as a 'forward' technically, but Thompson and Bennett would be among the first subs made, into the 4 spot.

Or I would simply start Thompson, and play Wiggins as 6th man for 28-30 mpg for his first couple of seasons.

Either way, I wouldn't be trading what I am not even sure I really have.
:biggums:

[G-train]

:biggums:

He'll be an elite scorer within 3-4 seasons if he has the touches.

Not sure how you cap a guy with his tools at age 19.

He'll be up around the league leaders at some stage in his career.

[PleezeBelieve]

He'll be an elite scorer within 3-4 seasons if he has the touches.

Not sure how you cap a guy with his tools at age 19.

He'll be up around the league leaders at some stage in his career.
Wiggins is terrible finisher around the rim for his size, can't pass and is an average jump shooter. Add to that you dudes are sooooooooooooooo overrating the guy's defensive potential that it's disturbing at this point. Dude was flat out average defensive player at Kansas, and that's with Embiid playing 3/4 of the season.

ISH... where the imaginary becomes reality.

Keep making sh*t up, dolt

[PleezeBelieve]

He'll be an elite scorer within 3-4 seasons if he has the touches.

Not sure how you cap a guy with his tools at age 19.

He'll be up around the league leaders at some stage in his career.
Stats say Kawhi Leonard was the better prospect coming out of college.

Now post the numbers saying otherwise

[russwest0]

Good to know. Thanks, Coach K, for your valued input. :oldlol:

Is there anyone else ESPN would like to bring in to try to pressure a professional franchise to do a deal in order to make a team more marketable for them? What a joke.

I've never seen anything quite like this.

lol welcome to the network that single-handedly ended Tim Tebows career because teams got tired of them sending a whole media team to every team practice to heckle the head coach and staff about not starting Tebow.

[JtotheIzzo]

Kyrie-Love-LeBron means a championship RIGHT NOW.



no it doesn't. It would get to the finals, but there is also a very good chance that so too would the Cavs as constructed today.

LeBron is so smart to have crafted this reality where everyone demands he get two all stars along side him because he is in his prime.

If only past superstars had this prerequisite...

[JtotheIzzo]

Wiggins is terrible finisher around the rim for his size, can't pass and is an average jump shooter. Add to that you dudes are sooooooooooooooo overrating the guy's defensive potential that it's disturbing at this point. Dude was flat out average defensive player at Kansas, and that's with Embiid playing 3/4 of the season.

ISH... where the imaginary becomes reality.

Keep making sh*t up, dolt

that's just dumb, even for you Gay A.

[hawksdogsbraves]

lol welcome to the network that single-handedly ended Tim Tebows career because teams got tired of them sending a whole media team to every team practice to heckle the head coach and staff about not starting Tebow.

Yeah, it definitely wasn't because Tebow had a career 45% completion percentage in a league where 60% is considered average.

[navy]

that's just dumb, even for you Gay A.
He's right though.

[JtotheIzzo]

He's right though.

Wiggins is a terrible finisher around the rim? You are as dumb as he is.

[navy]

Wiggins is a terrible finisher around the rim? You are as dumb as he is.
Im assuming he means outside of dunking.

In which case he is. A lot of nba players are. Especially perimeter ones. :confusedshrug:

[El Gato Negro]

This trade is dead, wiggins is going to be signed this week, love will walk next year. wolves fans can thank flip for another ten years of non relevance .

[dreamwarrior]

Honestly I'd do it too. Wiggins is unproven and I'm no longer convinced that his ceiling is higher than Love, and Bennett I don't think is going to pan out while Love is a sure thing.

[RedBlackAttack]

This thread is just a disaster. Wiggins is unproven, eh? He's a f#cking 19-year-old rookie? When was the last rookie that was "proven"? And, again... Golden State's other best offer is David Lee and Harrison Barnes. We should certainly have to hand over Wiggins, though, just "because"....

Did I mention that Love will not be signing an extension and we'll have to rely on re-signing him via free agency next year, as well? Yes? Well, I just mentioned it again in case you didn't catch it the first time.

If Wiggins is included in this trade, it will have been a massive debacle of epic proportions.

I know Minnesota really, really, really wants him. I get that... I do. I also know that LeBron fans couldn't care less about this franchise beyond the next few years. Why should they?

But there is a reason almost every Cavs fan is against including Wiggins in a trade... any trade.

[El Gato Negro]

This thread is just a disaster. Wiggins is unproven, eh? He's a f#cking 19-year-old rookie? When was the last rookie that was "proven"? And, again... Golden State's other best offer is David Lee and Harrison Barnes. We should certainly have to hand over Wiggins, though, just "because"....

Did I mention that Love will not be signing an extension and we'll have to rely on re-signing him via free agency next year, as well? Yes? Well, I just mentioned it again in case you didn't catch it the first time.

If Wiggins is included in this trade, it will have been a massive debacle of epic proportions.

I know Minnesota really, really, really wants him. I get that... I do. I also know that LeBron fans couldn't care less about this franchise beyond the next few years. Why should they?

But there is a reason almost every Cavs fan is against including Wiggins in a trade... any trade.
Well good thing for cavs fans griff and gil have both said repeatedly wiggins isn't going to be traded. wolves can keep dreaming tho.