Wiggins' Cavs

[JtotheIzzo]

Bran or no Bran, the kid is the future.

[Milbuck]

As awesome as it'd be to see Lebron back on the Cavs, it kinda sucks it's completely overshadowing Wiggins' entry to the league.

This is the kid that many people last year, though I didn't quite agree with it, were calling the next great perimeter player like Kobe, Lebron, T-Mac, Durant, etc. That hype has died down a bit now and he may never live up to that, but he has all the tools to do it and it's just a bummer to see his hype dissipating just because Lebron's free agency.

Hopefully Blatt is as good a coach as everyone says he is, and can get that young team to work. Because it's about time Cleveland got some shine that is independent of Lebron.

[El Gato Negro]

Blatt is the new leader of the team hands down.

[Im Still Ballin]

It will never be wiggins team.

Anthony Bennett runs this team.

[JtotheIzzo]

It will never be wiggins team.

Anthony Bennett runs this team.

Irving-Bran-Wiggins-Bennett-Verajao


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[hawksdogsbraves]

It wasn't even 'Wiggins' Jayhawks' so I seriously doubt it will ever be 'Wiggins' Cavs'

[JtotheIzzo]

It wasn't even 'Wiggins' Jayhawks' so I seriously doubt it will ever be 'Wiggins' Cavs'


you are not clued into college basketball. I forgive you my child.

[tmacattack33]

Wiggins will still be young as f*kk next year. Irving will be more of an offensive thread than him for a couple years.

If Lebron goes to Cleveland though, Wiggins can serve a huge role and can be their best defender...while allowing Lebron to take it easy on defense.

[Dave3]

It wasn't even 'Wiggins' Jayhawks' so I seriously doubt it will ever be 'Wiggins' Cavs'
Definitely not at first yeah, but I think soon they will be. And for the college comment, remember this is a guy who will benefit greatly from the spacing of the NBA compared to college.

Not to mention the Cavs are much more perimeter oriented so even though he won't be the primary ball handler or dependant scorer, he will get more touches throughout the plays than he would if the Cavs were an inside-out team dumping the ball into the low post, because once a ball is dumped into the post, it's unlikely that it comes back out, whereas if a ball is moving around on the perimeter, it's more likely that it will get to him eventually.

And then aside from a basketball point of view, the hype and eyes I think will be on him, so that's another perspective justifying some people viewing the team as "Wiggins' Cavs"

[hawksdogsbraves]

you are not clued into college basketball. I forgive you my child.

Embiid was by far the best player on that team when healthy. When he went down and it was 'Wiggins' team', Kansas bowed out to a mediocre Stanford team as Wiggins had as many TO's as points.

Not that Wiggins has ever been considered a 'leader' by any stretch of the imagination anyway, his beta mindset has been a knock on him since he first started getting broken down by NBA scouts.

[hawksdogsbraves]

Definitely not at first yeah, but I think soon they will be. And for the college comment, remember this is a guy who will benefit greatly from the spacing of the NBA compared to college.

Not to mention the Cavs are much more perimeter oriented so even though he won't be the primary ball handler or dependant scorer, he will get more touches throughout the plays than he would if the Cavs were an inside-out team dumping the ball into the low post, because once a ball is dumped into the post, it's unlikely that it comes back out, whereas if a ball is moving around on the perimeter, it's more likely that it will get to him eventually.

And then aside from a basketball point of view, the hype and eyes I think will be on him, so that's another perspective justifying some people viewing the team as "Wiggins' Cavs"

It's Irving's Cavs all the way. Irving is the best player on the team, Irving has the big numbers, Irving has the big endorsement deals.

Unless Bran shows up in town, the Cavs are Irving's team until Wiggins actually does something in the league.

[NuggetsFan]

Seriously? Irving before Wiggins, and if LeBron goes there Wiggins won't even be the 1st or 2nd best player on the team.

[Kingwillball]

Bran or no Bran, the kid is the future.

Lebron could pass the torch in 4-5 years..

[Akrazotile]

Bran or no Bran, the kid is the future.


Rudy Gay 2.0

[DMAVS41]

Don't they trade Wiggins if Lebron comes back?

I guess they could still trade for Love without Wiggins, but that might hurt the depth of the team which makes them attractive.

But if the reports are true that Love would extend in Cleveland if Lebron comes back...you have to do that deal. Love is perfect for Lebron. He's a far better version of Bosh in terms of shooting and rebounding. His defense is worse, but they just have to figure out a way to get a center in.

Love/Dieng for some version of Wiggins and the Cavs first rounder next year? Sounds good for both teams.

Wiggins is getting over-rated here big time. His ceiling is not as high as Love...in fact, I'd probably argue it won't be that close. Love is 25 freaking years old. You have the chance to get Kyrie/Lebron/Love...you do it. You can't guard that. It's impossible.

Now, if they could keep Wiggins...then that is even better because his defense is already NBA ready level. In fact, it probably will be elite by mid season. So if they could throw a lot of those future first rounders and waiters/thompson or something...that could work as well.

Damn....please let Lebron go back. Cavs deserve it and it would be so interesting to see what they do with the team.

[JtotheIzzo]

Wiggins is getting over-rated here big time. His ceiling is not as high as Love...in fact, I'd probably argue it won't be that close.

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[Meticode]

Don't they trade Wiggins if Lebron comes back?

I guess they could still trade for Love without Wiggins, but that might hurt the depth of the team which makes them attractive.

But if the reports are true that Love would extend in Cleveland if Lebron comes back...you have to do that deal. Love is perfect for Lebron. He's a far better version of Bosh in terms of shooting and rebounding. His defense is worse, but they just have to figure out a way to get a center in.

Love/Dieng for some version of Wiggins and the Cavs first rounder next year? Sounds good for both teams.

Wiggins is getting over-rated here big time. His ceiling is not as high as Love...in fact, I'd probably argue it won't be that close. Love is 25 freaking years old. You have the chance to get Kyrie/Lebron/Love...you do it. You can't guard that. It's impossible.

Now, if they could keep Wiggins...then that is even better because his defense is already NBA ready level. In fact, it probably will be elite by mid season. So if they could throw a lot of those future first rounders and waiters/thompson or something...that could work as well.

Damn....please let Lebron go back. Cavs deserve it and it would be so interesting to see what they do with the team.
Wiggins isn't going to be traded. Why would they trade him? In any case if LeBron comes back everyone is trade-able except Wiggins and Irving. They'll try to keep Waiters though.

[JtotheIzzo]

Wiggins isn't going to be traded. Why would they trade him? In any case if LeBron comes back everyone is trade-able except Wiggins and Irving. They'll try to keep Waiters though.

not sure about the Waiters part, I think signing Irving seals Waiters fate, he's out.

[Heavincent]

Rudy Gay 2.0

Even though he plays nothing like Rudy Gay...

You give people shit for not understanding basketball, but you don't seem to have a very firm grasp of it either.

[Meticode]

not sure about the Waiters part, I think signing Irving seals Waiters fate, he's out.
I'm not saying he's not traded, he definitely is trade-able and they'll ship him if they can get LeBron and especially Love as well. But Cleveland will do everything they can not to trade him. And that would include shipping Jack, Bennett, Thompson and all three of their 1st round picks next year to keep him. Varejao might be trade-able as well, but I would think the Cavs would keep him since he's the only person on the team that played with LeBron.

[Dave3]

It's Irving's Cavs all the way. Irving is the best player on the team, Irving has the big numbers, Irving has the big endorsement deals.

Unless Bran shows up in town, the Cavs are Irving's team until Wiggins actually does something in the league.
Irving is the best player on the team, but that might change in 2 years. Irving does have endorsements, but Wiggins can overtake him in that maybe even before playing a single NBA game.

Again, from a basketball point of view it's very obviously Irving. But from a marketing point of view or outside of basketball, Wiggins is getting more attention than anyone else on the team.

[hawksdogsbraves]

Irving is the best player on the team, but that might change in 2 years. Irving does have endorsements, but Wiggins can overtake him in that maybe even before playing a single NBA game.

Again, from a basketball point of view it's very obviously Irving. But from a marketing point of view or outside of basketball, Wiggins is getting more attention than anyone else on the team.

How so? Wiggins doesn't seem particularly personable.

Irving has already headlined a Pepsi marketing campaign, along with his other endorsement deals. He's made 2 all-star teams in 3 years. He just got a max deal. He's only 22.

Could this change 2-3 years down the road? Sure, anything is possible. But this is Irving's team now and it doesn't look like it's gonna change anytime soon from where I'm sitting, (barring the return of the king). Quiet guys with defense as their calling card aren't usually the ones getting all the big endorsements. Wiggins just isn't getting the hype he was coming out of high school, he's clearly not the Durant 2.0 people said he'd be.

If anyone has the potential to be a endorsement monster in this draft class I think it's Exum, dude already has commercials and seems like he has the best personality for the ad game.

[Dave3]

How so? Wiggins doesn't seem particularly personable.

Irving has already headlined a Pepsi marketing campaign, along with his other endorsement deals. He's made 2 all-star teams in 3 years. He just got a max deal. He's only 22.

Could this change 2-3 years down the road? Sure, anything is possible. But this is Irving's team now and it doesn't look like it's gonna change anytime soon from where I'm sitting, (barring the return of the king). Quiet guys with defense as their calling card aren't usually the ones getting all the big endorsements. Wiggins just isn't getting the hype he was coming out of high school, he's clearly not the Durant 2.0 people said he'd be.

If anyone has the potential to be a endorsement monster in this draft class I think it's Exum, dude already has commercials and seems like he has the best personality for the ad game.
Attention doesn't mean number of all star games or current NBA contract dude. Attention is just the amount of people talking about him, or how frequently you see him in NBA related news. Right now (ie. at this moment) there are more articles about Wiggins than there are about Irving. That's the nature of being a hyped 1st overall pick.

Him being personable or not has nothing to do with the attention he's getting. If I look up news articles on Kyrie and Wiggins, Wiggins has triple as many results on google. That's all I mean by attention, not current salary or all star appearances or that stuff.

[JtotheIzzo]

Bran or no Bran, the kid is the future.

word!

[SilkkTheShocker]

word!

Get a grip, son

[JtotheIzzo]

Get a grip, son

this made me :roll:

sorry, not since Nash's prime have I truly cared about the NBA, LeBron's tenure in Miami made for one big yawn, now it is like spring again.

[Dragic4Life]

Lebron's Cavs

[SilkkTheShocker]

this made me :roll:

sorry, not since Nash's prime have I truly cared about the NBA, LeBron's tenure in Miami made for one big yawn, now it is like spring again.

You're a fan of Canadian players. We get it. But Wiggins is at best the 3rd option on that team. Even that is a stretch if they keep loser ass Dion Waiters on the team.

[JtotheIzzo]

You're a fan of Canadian players. We get it. But Wiggins is at best the 3rd option on that team. Even that is a stretch if they keep loser ass Dion Waiters on the team.

He's not as good as Irving and, allow me to be master of the obvious, LeBron, but Waiters? He is way better now.

[jzek]

I'd still take the future Hall of Famer Love over this guy.

Remember Adam Morrison? That dude destroyed the NCAA and the summer league. Look what happened to him.

Proven > Potential

[SilkkTheShocker]

He's not as good as Irving and, allow me to be master of the obvious, LeBron, but Waiters? He is way better now.

Waiters is a 6th man with shit attitude. They need to move that loser for someone that can play defense.

[JtotheIzzo]

I'd still take the future Hall of Famer Love over this guy.

Remember Adam Morrison? That dude destroyed the NCAA and the summer league. Look what happened to him.

Proven > Potential


HoFer?

Lets see a playoff game first there cowboy.