No matter who you put on his team, Lebron will never have enough help

[rule1223]

why? because the style of basketball he plays limits the play of any teammate he has... do u really think if wade and bosh played without miami, thered be anyone calling them scrubs? Look at all the past players that lebron has played with, i dont think there has been anyone who had a career year playing with lebron, even mo williams who most bron stans use to show his ability to make teammates better had his best year in milwaukee before joining bron

daniel gibson? best year after lebron left
varejao? best year after lebron left
wade? best year before lebron arrived
bosh? best year before playing with lebron
larry hughes? ilgauskus? jamison? boozer? haslem? chalmers?

i am struggling to find anyone who has gotten better playing with lebron, and struggling even harder to find anyone who could play well with lebron

[riseagainst]

actually if Lebron played with prime Kobe they will win. Kobe will make lebron a better player and he'll control the pace of the game and run plays. But then again, if Kobe plays well, Lebron will just sabotage.

But in theory, if lebron doesn't sabotage, the team can win with prime Kobe.

[Eye Test]

delonte improved his game playing with lebron

[KDthunderup]

delonte improved his game playing with lebron
Thats because Brans mom was giving him some on the side

[GimmeThat]

in a 7 game series, while its technically broken down into multiple games.

but we can argue the game of basketball is now at least at 192.


Which of course, involves advance management to maximize players performances.

[Rose'sACL]

Lebron too has worse stats playing in miami during his prime. You play to win. Bosh doesn't have enough elite talent to give him ball in every situation. Both wade and james post-up better than him. His elite talents are utilized by miami. Do you think that bosh could post up duncan or hibbert?
If you just want stats then you stay on a shitty/mediocre team like the raptors . I am sure no one here would even talk about bosh if he kept playing on a number 7/8 seed team for all of his career.

[rule1223]

Lebron too has worse stats playing in miami during his prime. You play to win. Bosh doesn't have enough elite talent to give him ball in every situation. Both wade and james post-up better than him. His elite talents are utilized by miami. Do you think that bosh could post up duncan or hibbert?
If you just want stats then you stay on a shitty/mediocre team like the raptors . I am sure no one here would even talk about bosh if he kept playing on a number 7/8 seed team for all of his career.
bosh had no problems scoring on duncan before he joined the heat? why is he struggling now? in fact shouldnt he be doing scoring easier since all the attention is on james?

[ThePhantomCreep]

Lebron too has worse stats playing in miami during his prime. You play to win. Bosh doesn't have enough elite talent to give him ball in every situation. Both wade and james post-up better than him. His elite talents are utilized by miami. Do you think that bosh could post up duncan or hibbert?
If you just want stats then you stay on a shitty/mediocre team like the raptors . I am sure no one here would even talk about bosh if he kept playing on a number 7/8 seed team for all of his career.

Just no.

Star players can get theirs in any situation. Pau Gasol was a 19-20ppg scorer whether his team missed the playoffs or made the NBA Finals. Wade could score 28 on a title winner, or a team that was first round fodder. And there's no doubt Bosh could be effective averaging 19-20 on a title winner. Players of his caliber don't fall off a cliff offensively unless the system they're playing in under-utilizes their talents.

Of the Big 3, LeBron's number have taken the smallest hit by far.


bosh had no problems scoring on duncan before he joined the heat? why is he struggling now? in fact shouldnt he be doing scoring easier since all the attention is on james?

/thread

[dc_chilling]

why? because the style of basketball he plays limits the play of any teammate he has... do u really think if wade and bosh played without miami, thered be anyone calling them scrubs? Look at all the past players that lebron has played with, i dont think there has been anyone who had a career year playing with lebron, even mo williams who most bron stans use to show his ability to make teammates better had his best year in milwaukee before joining bron

daniel gibson? best year after lebron left
varejao? best year after lebron left
wade? best year before lebron arrived
bosh? best year before playing with lebron
larry hughes? ilgauskus? jamison? boozer? haslem? chalmers?

i am struggling to find anyone who has gotten better playing with lebron, and struggling even harder to find anyone who could play well with lebron

I don't think you understand how basketball works.

How many games did those Cavs teams win after Lebron left while getting those numbers? I remember them having one of the longest losing streaks in NBA history.

How good were those Raptors teams Bosh played on? I don't recall them being contenders.

How good were those Miami heat teams after Shaq left? They never made it out of the first round.

You don't bring a player like Lebron in to raise the ppg averages of your team. You bring him in to win.

[Rose'sACL]

bosh had no problems scoring on duncan before he joined the heat? why is he struggling now? in fact shouldnt he be doing scoring easier since all the attention is on james?
show me where bosh had no problem posting up duncan on a good enough rate.
2010 was the year when he had good games against spurs . in one game, duncan didn't play and in the other duncan was coming off the bench because he was coming back from injury.
the last game(pre-heat) where bosh and duncan were both healthy was in 2009 where bosh went 6-14 scoring 17 points. This is with him playing on a team that is not as well studied by the coaches as the title contenders heat. Learn the game kid.

[rule1223]

show me where bosh had no problem posting up duncan on a good enough rate.
2010 was the year when he had good games against spurs . in one game, duncan didn't play and in the other duncan was coming off the bench because he was coming back from injury.
the last game(pre-heat) where bosh and duncan were both healthy was in 2009 where bosh went 6-14 scoring 17 points. This is with him playing on a team that is not as well studied by the coaches as the title contenders heat. Learn the game kid.
no one said anything about posting up, when bosh would use to iso the *** out of tim duncan and would blow by or hit a j on him whenever its was one on one and that was back when duncan was more athletic and the rest of the team was focused guarding bosh. now ur telling me 4 years later, bosh caant do the same thing against a slower duncan and a less concentrated d? there must be a reason...

[livinglegend]

he had enough help in 2012 and 2013


next

[Rose'sACL]

no one said anything about posting up, when bosh would use to iso the *** out of tim duncan and would blow by or hit a j on him whenever its was one on one and that was back when duncan was more athletic and the rest of the team was focused guarding bosh. now ur telling me 4 years later, bosh caant do the same thing against a slower duncan and a less concentrated d? there must be a reason...
yes, i am saying that. I must say that heat did a bad job of not making wade come off the bench and play 20-25 mins these playoffs while making bosh the clear second option.
Before 2013 playoffs, both wade and james did everything better than bosh other than hitting mid range jumpers. Why would you go to bosh when you have 2 players who do the same things but on a better rate?

[stalkerforlife]

Keep up them boxscores, Bron. You can't fail with a good FG%. If you lose, you don't have enough help. If you win, you're the GOAT. Look at dem stats, doe! (Not the more turnovers than assists per game in the finals stat)

You da man!

[knicksman]

lebron is like oscar. considered cancers by teammates despite the assists. Theres a reason why he has the highest negative impact in the series. And his +/- also shows that he only has +2.7 when paired with stars in the playoffs compared to kobes +10. That shows how overrated lebron is despite his stats

[kureyşi-gospurs]

I don't know what to say but there is definitely some validity to what you said

[AlphaWolf24]

Just no.

Star players can get theirs in any situation. Pau Gasol was a 19-20ppg scorer whether his team missed the playoffs or made the NBA Finals. Wade could score 28 on a title winner, or a team that was first round fodder. And there's no doubt Bosh could be effective averaging 19-20 on a title winner. Players of his caliber don't fall off a cliff offensively unless the system they're playing in under-utilizes their talents.

Of the Big 3, LeBron's number have taken the smallest hit by far.



/thread

Pau was 17 - 18ppg player with Kobe...and his rebounds went up....

Lebron plays with you and you fall off a cliff.

[dc_chilling]

lebron is like oscar. considered cancers by teammates despite the assists. Theres a reason why he has the highest negative impact in the series. And his +/- also shows that he only has +2.7 when paired with stars in the playoffs compared to kobes +10. That shows how overrated lebron is despite his stats

Lol Lebron has the highest plus minus in the league every year and just got finished leading his team to 4 straight finals.

Kobe's +10 has everything to do with playing with the most dominant player in NBA history during the weakest era in NBA history.

Some people know absolutely nothing about basketball.:facepalm

[Kingwillball]

That is BS Trade Bosh for Ariza and Gortat move LEbron to the 4 and Heat would be that much better on both sides of ball. That is just one example. People don't want to except this heat team is Flawed cause they have no Size suck at rebounding and shot blocking and have one of the worst PG in the league along with a pretty weak bench. Miami is the oldest team in the league they need an infusion of youth and athleticism. Throw in the fact Bosh and Wade are longer Max type of Players Lebron has many holes to cover up for.

[sd3035]

Put KD on his team and have Bran come off the bench, problem solved

[oarabbus]

I don't think you understand how basketball works.

How many games did those Cavs teams win after Lebron left while getting those numbers? I remember them having one of the longest losing streaks in NBA history.

How good were those Raptors teams Bosh played on? I don't recall them being contenders.

How good were those Miami heat teams after Shaq left? They never made it out of the first round.

You don't bring a player like Lebron in to raise the ppg averages of your team. You bring him in to win.

Good post.

[knicksman]

Lol Lebron has the highest plus minus in the league every year and just got finished leading his team to 4 straight finals.

Kobe's +10 has everything to do with playing with the most dominant player in NBA history during the weakest era in NBA history.

Some people know absolutely nothing about basketball.:facepalm

LOL in the regular season because thats where your hero is good at.
And clearly someone doesnt understand my post. kobes +/- increases with better teammates whereas lebron declines which goes to show that he cant fit with allstar teammates and all around players being overrated because of idiots like you.

[GimmeThat]

you can have your team carried by Lebron.
or you can have your team carry Lebron.

Or, you can have Lebron playing side by side with another super star player.