Lebron is not even top 20.

[Real14]

Where do you think he DESERVES to be ranked at? I truthfully don't even have him in my top 20 especially with all those stunts he pulled since July 2010.

[Mr.Kite]

he's below pippen in my book.

[triangleoffense]

I'd say a lot of people were too hesitant to put him top15.. I mean there are a LOT of great basketball players, Lebron was just flavor of the month for a while since he has been consistently playing in the playoffs and finally won the 2 championships after the decision.

So far the tally is he's 2-2 in championship games and totally choked in the one against dallas. On the plus he did win FMVP in the two back to back championship wins and his team has been to 4 straight championships.

I'd say he's barely in top 20.

[Real14]

he's below pippen in my book.
Same here bro.

[moe94]

I'd say a lot of people were too hesitant to put him top15.. I mean there are a LOT of great basketball players, Lebron was just flavor of the month for a while since he has been consistently playing in the playoffs and finally won the 2 championships after the decision.

So far the tally is he's 2-2 in championship games and totally choked in the one against dallas. On the plus he did win FMVP in the two back to back championship wins and his team has been to 4 straight championships.

I'd say he's barely in top 20.

Player of his generation but flavor of the month. Checks out.

[Real14]

I'd say a lot of people were too hesitant to put him top15.. I mean there are a LOT of great basketball players, Lebron was just flavor of the month for a while since he has been consistently playing in the playoffs and finally won the 2 championships after the decision.

So far the tally is he's 2-2 in championship games and totally choked in the one against dallas. On the plus he did win FMVP in the two back to back championship wins and his team has been to 4 straight championships.

I'd say he's barely in top 20.
I understand where you coming from but where do you rank him at when he becomes 2-3 in tha finals in a few dayz?

[Marchesk]

ISH, where you go from top 5 to top 30 in a week.

[Real14]

Player of his generation but flavor of the month. Checks out.
But how he became tha so called player of dis generation tho?

[NugzFan]

This board is so unreadable these days. Used to be fun. Now a bunch of 14 year old trolls.

[DFish24]

Top 20, right around where Dirk is ranked.

[annbafan]

I do not have my own all-time list, but he would be in the top 10-12 if i made one.

it's quite difficult to name 10 players better than James, 20 is not possible.

[Real14]

This board is so unreadable these days. Used to be fun. Now a bunch of 14 year old trolls.
Still salty about 2011?

[Mr.Kite]

ISH, where you go from top 5 to top 30 in a week.

He was never top 5.

he was always floating around the top 20 or so

[Real14]

Top 20, right around where Dirk is ranked.
I rank dirk higher cuz he had no astetisk ringz

[Ne 1]

I have him in the tier of Moses/West/Dr. J/David Robinson

[AnaheimLakers24]

top 18 is fair

[NumberSix]

Kobe tards randomly putting Kobe in the top 7 now with 1 MVP and 2 FMVPs. Apparently LeBron with 4 MVPs and 2 FMVPs and far superior career stats isn't top 20. Makes sense. :rolleyes:

[Ne 1]

I have him in the tier of Moses/West/Dr. J/Dirk/KG/David Robinson/Oscar. Probably in the upper half of it though.

[Fudge]

Meh, you're going too far. I have him just inside the Top 15 right now.

[NumberSix]

There will legitimately be some slit wrists if Miami makes history and wins in 7.

[Mr.Kite]

name the players

11. oscar
12. jerry west
13. Dr. J
14. moses malone
15. dirk
16. KG
17. karl malone
18. pippen
19. robinson
20. probably bran.

[Ne 1]

Kobe tards randomly putting Kobe in the top 7 now with 1 MVP and 2 FMVPs. Apparently LeBron with 4 MVPs and 2 FMVPs and far superior career stats isn't top 20. Makes sense. :rolleyes:
Maybe people have a different set of criteria/factors than you instead of just basing everything off media driven awards?

[moe94]

Maybe people have a different set of criteria/factors than you instead of just basing everything off media driven awards?

Like what? How beautifully a dude hits fadeaways between 3 people?

[NumberSix]

Maybe people have a different set of criteria/factors than you instead of just basing everything off media driven awards?
And what is there criteria? Being a worse player on a team that happens to win more chips!

[Real14]

I have him in the tier of Moses/West/Dr. J/David Robinson
Not me cuz those legends had at least one ring that's not an asterisk

[lilteapot]

Not me cuz those legends had at least one ring that's not an asterisk
Your birth was an asterisk

[beastee]

name the players

11. oscar
12. jerry west
13. Dr. J
14. moses malone
15. dirk
16. KG
17. karl malone
18. pippen
19. robinson
20. probably bran.

I slot him at 14 based on this list. Look, he may not be a true ALPHA, but the dude is still freaking great. I am a diehard Bulls fan, but to say Scottie Pippen was better is just :biggums:

[Rose'sACL]

Your birth was an asterisk
well played

[Ne 1]

Like what? How beautifully a dude hits fadeaways between 3 people?
More like not losing 3 straight years with home-court advantage during your prime/peak and getting outplayed by a 33 year old bench player in the Finals.

[Real14]

Your birth was an asterisk
Your manhood iz an asterisk......lil tea pot:coleman:

[Real14]

well played
Your moms puhcee iz well played:applause:

[lilteapot]

Your manhood iz an asterisk......lil tea pot:coleman:
so i guess someone from LONG ****ING ISLAND is the epitome of manhood right :roll:

[Real14]

so i guess someone from LONG ****ING ISLAND is the epitome of manhood right :roll:
You already lost miss, itz ova:lol and "strong island" iz nothing to smile at, phuck what you heard:coleman:

[NugzFan]

Still salty about 2011?

Ummm...no

What happened in 2011? Did you mean 2009?

[Real14]

Ummm...no

What happened in 2011? Did you mean 2009?
Melo left your domain and became scoring champ in 2013.

[L8kersfan222]

Melo left your domain and became scoring champ in 2013.
:eek: ouch

[miggyme1]

when its all said and done lebron will break all the individual records including scoring but durant will break his scoring record for points in a career...i see lebron AT LEAST getting one more ring....when? idk

ill say top 15 when its all said and done...he will already go down as maybe the greatest talent ever..but top 5 or 10 greatest player??? nah....too many people ahead of him that DOMINATED their opposition under any circumstance

[lilteapot]

You already lost miss, itz ova:lol and "strong island" iz nothing to smile at, phuck what you heard:coleman:
oh yeah THE MEAN STREETS OF GREAT NECK

[Real14]

oh yeah THE MEAN STREETS OF GREAT NECK
Um I don't live in great neck:facepalm

[riseagainst]

I agree. People think having finals appearances somehow boosts one's legacy. But you have to put it in perspective on what teams you faced on route to the finals. The East is a joke and the Heat are literally guaranteed finals appearances with the most stacked team in the East every year.

[dc_chilling]

name the players

11. oscar
12. jerry west
13. Dr. J
14. moses malone
15. dirk
16. KG
17. karl malone
18. pippen
19. robinson
20. probably bran.

This is the dumbest shit I have ever seen lol.

None of the dudes you listed have any argument for being listed above Lebron except maybe Oscar. That is a big maybe too.

[riseagainst]

This is the dumbest shit I have ever seen lol.

None of the dudes you listed have any argument for being listed above Lebron except maybe Oscar. That is a big maybe too.

april 2014...
:facepalm

[Hey Yo]

I agree. People think having finals appearances somehow boosts one's legacy. But you have to put it in perspective on what teams you faced on route to the finals. The East is a joke and the Heat are literally guaranteed finals appearances with the most stacked team in the East every year.
LOL here we go again. Kobe was mediocre in 3 of his first 4 finals appearances so now we go the "look who they beat before the finals"

So we should discredit most of the Lakers 80's title runs because the West was garbage?

[fandarko]

name the players

11. oscar
12. jerry west
13. Dr. J
14. moses malone
15. dirk
16. KG
17. karl malone
18. pippen
19. robinson
20. probably bran.

Let's not get carried away here.

I am 44, I watched every player on this list, except for Oscar and West. And I don't particularly like Lebron. I am more a MJ-Kobe-Durant type of guy.

But Lebron's overall impact, individual skills and team achievements make him a lock Top 10.

On this list, he's better than Malone, Pippen and at least at the level of all the others, probably slightly better than most of them. KG, Dirk, Robinson were never clear cut best players of the league.

He plays like shit in this series (I don't mean the stats, but he's just jacking off 3s), but let's not forget how he played all these years.

Moses Malone was a great player and a beast down low. But better? C' mon.
Dr. J was a legend, but he has nothing on Lebron. Pure skills wise, West hasn't either.

So, top 10, even if the top 10 should realistically be top 15. And Lebron definitively belongs there, in the upper tier.

[NugzFan]

Melo left your domain and became scoring champ in 2013.

oh god...here we go again. knick fans still think they won that deal? :oldlol:

not only did they not win a title (or get even close), they lost the deal, they are losing melo AND their 2015 pick. :cheers:

its a disaster for NY.

[winwin]

I have him in the tier of Moses/West/Dr. J/David Robinson
and all four of them are higher on the list

[GoSpursGo1984]

He is somewhere between 11-15 he has not done enough to be top 10 yet

[Rodmantheman]

this thread needs to be locked lol

[AnaheimLakers24]

might crack my top 28 if he wins in Cleveland with a bunch of youngsters

[Element]

LOL here we go again. Kobe was mediocre in 3 of his first 4 finals appearances so now we go the "look who they beat before the finals"

So we should discredit most of the Lakers 80's title runs because the West was garbage?

We actually don't because these Lakers faced the god damn Fo-fo-fo sixers, Bird's Celtics and the Bad Boy Pistons in the Finals. Harder competition on the way to the finals wouldn't have prevented them from winning 5 titles.

Meanwhile Bran probably doesn't get out of the West had the Heat been in the WC this year. The Lakers were way better than any non-Finalist regardless.

[masonanddixon]

He doesn't make the top 25. Not yet.

But if he can win another ring, especially coming out of the West, he can probably get into the 20-25 range.

[coin24]

2/5 in the finals an they were on ridiculously staked teams, facing piss weak eastern competion..
Definitely not that impressive. Makes teammates worse, not top 20 sorry

[raprap]

Your birth was an asterisk
:lol ooohh

[nathanjizzle]

top 15. its possible he could be at 11 which would put him outside of the top 10 discussion.

[c5terror]

Ok, please tell me why Lebron James should be ahead of Hakeem which is lock in #10 alltime?

[Pushxx]

Top 11-18 range.

[Lebron23]

Better than 1x NBA MVP, and 2x Finals MVP Hakeem and Kobe. He already surpassed both of these guys last year.

He'll likely double the finals MVP's of these guys.

[xoracle55]

Where do you think he DESERVES to be ranked at? I truthfully don't even have him in my top 20 especially with all those stunts he pulled since July 2010.

GTFOH!

[Lebron23]

OP is one of the biggest retards in this forum.

[Lebron23]

And please don't even f*cking mention that Kobe is some kind of a legendary finals performer. He's averaging 25 ppg on 40 FG% in the NBA Finals against the eastern conference champions. Same conferences that his stans are underrating.

[Mr Feeny]

And please don't even f*cking mention that Kobe is some kind of a legendary finals performer. He's averaging 25 ppg on 40 FG% in the NBA Finals against the eastern conference champions. Same conferences that his stans are underrating.

Kobe is an awful finals performer. I don't think even his most ardent fans dispute that tbf.

[Warfan]

He should be ranked at roughly 10 or 11. OP/Fresh Kid is a dumbass

[ArbitraryWater]

This board is so unreadable these days. Used to be fun. Now a bunch of 14 year old trolls.

It's despicable... Why doesn't Jeff ban these clowns?

Smh.. admin fails tbh

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe is an awful finals performer. I don't think even his most ardent fans dispute that tbf.

But they play the "WCF was the REAL Finals" card :roll:

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe tards randomly putting Kobe in the top 7 now with 1 MVP and 2 FMVPs. Apparently LeBron with 4 MVPs and 2 FMVPs and far superior career stats isn't top 20. Makes sense. :rolleyes:

:oldlol:

/thread

It's come to the point where they don't even discuss the actual players anymore...

I mean, if we would ask why Pippen or Dr. J is better, what would be the answer?

no asterisk rings, more rings for pip, played in better era, no bailouts, collusion, flopping etc. that crap.

Okay, now tell me why they are BETTER... What are they BETTER at. Why would I take them in a draft.

And lol at Pippen in the top 20.





More like not losing 3 straight years with home-court advantage during your prime/peak and getting outplayed by a 33 year old bench player in the Finals.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTgObyJCQAA_Cdz.jpg

[c5terror]

Better than 1x NBA MVP, and 2x Finals MVP Hakeem and Kobe. He already surpassed both of these guys last year.

He'll likely double the finals MVP's of these guys.
-2 Champ
-2 Finals MVP(one of those championship team doesn't have multiple all star except him)
-1 NBA MVP
-2 DPOY

- Better Footwork.
- Better Ball security (Lebron TO machine).
- Better Post Up player.
- Impact The Game in Both Offense and Defense
- Lebron Mentor.

[ArbitraryWater]

-2 Champ
-2 Finals MVP(one of those championship team doesn't have multiple all star except him)
-1 NBA MVP
-2 DPOY

- Better Footwork.
- Better Ball security (Lebron TO machine).
- Better Post Up player.
- Impact The Game in Both Offense and Defense
- Lebron Mentor.

There is so much wrong in here... Only thing you got is footwork :lol

Now tell me about scoring, playmaking, passing, rebounding and defense... Because LeBron wins all the major categories.

Averaging .3 less TO's is now worth it to make it a category for ball security? :oldlol:

And the 2 last one are just :hammerhead:

[c5terror]

There is so much wrong in here... Only thing you got is footwork :lol

Now tell me about scoring, playmaking, passing, rebounding and defense... Because LeBron wins all the major categories.

Averaging .3 less TO's is now worth it to make it a category for ball security? :oldlol:

And the 2 last one are just :hammerhead:

Playmaking? Lebron doesn't make play, only Bail out pass.
Lebron Known Play: Drive dunk, Drive Dunk, Flop, Flop Drive Dunk, Bail Out pass, Bailout pass, 3s,3s, Drive Dunk, Flop, Flop, Flop, Fake Cramp...All in just one quarter.

Hakeem
-Lead the league in rebound 2x,
-lead the league in blocks 2x,
-#1 alltime leader in blocks.
- 2x Defensive Player of the year( Lebron can only dream)

Lebron doesn't lead the league in anything.
Lebron got toast, by barea, terry and mills..
Spurs make Lebron Heat defending champ look like Charlotte Bobcats 2013.
Lebron quit his team in his prime(quiter).
Lebron Join force with you know who.(Former Final MVP, Champ, 30ppg with 50%FG)

When lebron try to post up, it often result to travel, loose ball and TO.
Hakeem Won chip with no All-star

[1~Gibson~1]

This board is so unreadable these days. Used to be fun. Now a bunch of 14 year old trolls. This.

[G.O.A.T]

There are 12 guys in NBA who have won two titles as their teams best player, an MVP and a Finals MVP. (some finals MVP's retroactive)

That Dynamic Dozen are:

Bean
Big George
Buck
Diesel
Dream
Felton
Ferdinand
The Hick
Jeffrey
Theodore
William

and LeBron Raymone James.

So to me, if I look at it objectively, he's top 12.

[Mr Feeny]

:oldlol:

/thread

It's come to the point where they don't even discuss the actual players anymore...

I mean, if we would ask why Pippen or Dr. J is better, what would be the answer?

no asterisk rings, more rings for pip, played in better era, no bailouts, collusion, flopping etc. that crap.

Okay, now tell me why they are BETTER... What are they BETTER at. Why would I take them in a draft.

And lol at Pippen in the top 20.






https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTgObyJCQAA_Cdz.jpg


Shhhh the poor sods are on suicide watch now. Don't pour it on:lol

[pauk]

At this point? Lets see here....

1st of all, he has been the best player in the NBA since arguably his 2nd year in the NBA, considering he has been the most productive player in the NBA since then.... whatever the argument may be i dont think any player in NBA history has held that "best player in the NBA" title as long as Lebron has....

2nd of all, he per 100 possessions (or whatever poss.) or per minute or per second on the court has been factually/statistically the most overall productive player in NBA history, the only guy who was that productive was Michael Jordan...........

Last but not least, he is one of and if not arguably the most prominent players in terms of TEAM IMPACT.... his game/productions etc. translates to extreme team success, it makes any NBA supporting cast an instant championship contender....

Now.... lets take a look at some of the NBA accolades he might have:

4 x MVP
2 x FMVP
2 x NBA Champion (all as the definite best player in his team & NBA)
10 x All-NBA Team
6 x All-Defensive Team
10 x All-star
Rookie of the Year

So.... individually what we are looking at here is one of / if not the most prominent player in NBA history when on the court and one of the best & dominant peaks ever........... but also a guy with accolades alone that instantly puts you in the top 10....

All in All........... he "DESERVES" to be highest #5 (over Larry Bird) and the absolute lowest #9-#10 (over Hakeem, Moses, West, Oscar, Julius)

[Swaggaboy80six]

At this point? Lets see here....

1st of all, he has been the best player in the NBA since arguably his 2nd year in the NBA, considering he has been the most productive player in the NBA since then.... whatever the argument may be i dont think any player in NBA history has held that "best player in the NBA" title as long as Lebron has....

2nd of all, he per 100 possessions (or whatever poss.) or per minute or per second on the court has been factually/statistically the most overall productive player in NBA history, the only guy who was that productive was Michael Jordan...........

Last but not least, he is one of and if not arguably the most prominent players in terms of TEAM IMPACT.... his game/productions etc. translates to extreme team success, it makes any NBA supporting cast an instant championship contender....

Now.... lets take a look at some of the NBA accolades he might have:

4 x MVP
2 x FMVP
2 x NBA Champion (all as the definite best player in his team & NBA)
10 x All-NBA Team
6 x All-Defensive Team
10 x All-star
Rookie of the Year

So.... individually what we are looking at here is one of / if not the most prominent player in NBA history when on the court and one of the best & dominant peaks ever........... but also a guy with accolades alone that instantly puts you in the top 10....

All in All........... he "DESERVES" to be highest #5 (over Larry Bird) and the absolute lowest #9-#10 (over Hakeem, Moses, West, Oscar, Julius)

:facepalm :facepalm thats why lebron differs to Ray allen to save his ass? Come on now PAUL, james a top 5 TALENT wise, but impact, doesn't really impress me.....all he does is drive the ball...once people close on him, he looks for open shooters.....thats not anything.....he doesn't really take over games when you need him too....worries too much on FG% than wins, would rather shoot 60% in a loss then 48% in a win.....thats what you call a leader PAUK? lol your a joke on these boards, now go suck a ****

[Bigsmoke]

Jerry west is 1-9 in the Finals but still cracks the top 20:rolleyes:


And people wonder why I hate Laker idiots

[J Shuttlesworth]

If LeBron isn't top 20, Melo isn't top 100

[Cold soul]

I hate Lebron too, but come on now. Lebron top 20 without question. He's top 15 ATM.